I suggest this "solution" is the result of the ditching of male aggressive creativity and love for a good fight, for competition. They've thrown in the towel and gone practical female. Downward spiral. If there is still a male-controlled chipmaker out there, it will eat Intel's lunch.
Filters "useless" compounds. Um, ok. But what if the startling breakthrough takes place in one of those assumed useless compounds? No insight possible. No flash of brilliance. No serendipity. No human advantage possible. Remember junk DNA? It was until it wasn't.
There is an inevitable "complexity collapse" coming in the future. We can see hints of it now in things like this. Things will decouple that are supposed to work together. People won't be able to keep up with the changes and additions that are constantly laid on us all, even the experts. Every entity acts as if the new thing or the correction of the correction of the correction of the old thing is just something it is doing and everyone should be able to deal with it easily. But the SUM of these modifications additions and changes causes a growing feeling of being overwhelmed and the inability to understand just WTF is going on.
Now tell us about the various topping selections for pizza and human pathology! Mine THAT source of insight to human behavior! Wow, the worlds of understanding this opens up! How about people who like hot peppers of various degrees of heat? Sick bastards!
I'm sorry your mind has been so badly co-opted by the complex. There is nothing to be said. When so much emotion is generated, one knows they are dealing with a fanatic, or someone who has a vested interest.
The scientific-industrial complex sweeps all before it. This is just more visual pollution of the environment in order to collect data that has absolutely no value to humanity, but which satisfies the peculiarly accented motivation arrays of this type of scientist.
I resent the use of the phrase "old white men" - a tryptych of abuse- to describe something you don't like. Hyper-liberal women really push women's privilege when they use this odious combination to describe men. They don't expect to be taken as hypocrites.
We have people with a foot in the before and a foot in the after doing what such people do: lamenting the change from their own childhoods. But the fact is that a virtual world is and will continue to be developed. The "computerverse" will continue to advance and people will be drawn further and further into it. The past is dying/dead. In the 1980s, when I first projected such a change, I called it to myself the "Reality Rebellion." It was a scifi story I wanted to write (never did, I'm not a writer) in which people withdrew more and more from the physical world. People had computer chips inserted in their brains at birth along with a network of connections to the various parts of the brain. People could choose a way to alter the real world to live in various artificial worlds while moving in the real world. It doesn't matter what you think you are eating as long as you eat enough. You can see a rocket ship coming down the street instead of a car as long as you get out of the way. The world became simple, bland, white (green screen?), because the mind/system painted it as you selected in your brain as you moved through your day - a castle, a mansion, a place on Mars. Why not rebel against reality when reality is so painful for so many people? In any case, that is where it is going in the far future, or something like that. Computer augmented reality. And there are people choosing to live in virtual worlds already, as primitive as they are today. They have "property," get married, have "sex," have "children," own "things." They get real-life mad if you "trespass" on their "property" images. They work, have "jobs." Obey the laws, or not. Anyway, people living in their cellphones, or computer games are doing essentially the same thing, living in a virtual reality controlled by the priests of technology at Google, Facebook, etc. It will continue developing.
Capitalist contact with the vast Chinese market leads to sensitivity to communist Chinese government pressures. I believe these actions are the result of pressure directly or indirectly by the Chinese government. We can expect to see more and more of this shaping of our system by the Chinese and amoral/immoral bussiness leaders greedy for Chinese business.
Humans would have it everywhere. And primitive man would have used it for this purpose in his primitive medicine cabinet. It would be in supplements today. Besides, things that affect the nervous system do so by poisoning it in some way. It would be the same with linalool.
NASA opposed fueling rockets with people on board. Now it is ok with them. And using kids as guinea pigs for self driving vehicles is not ok, then it will be when the processes of corruption get their game on. Your life and the lives of your children mean nothing when it comes to business. Don't be fooled. They will kill you and your kids to make a buck. Can't people see the lines we are crossing as a society?
It works for those scientist who straddle the divide between the time they had to learn to do it themselves and gained knowledge and experience doing so, and the the time they will have only "big picture" thoughts. For those who only learn in a big picture environment I doubt they will be able to have the big picture thoughts. More like big fantasies. And they will only be able to do what can be done by the equipment. How do they develop new lab techniques when they only buy lab equipment that does certain things? "Why CAN'T the equipment do this?"
I really wish we could all be naive hyper-liberal globalist-humanists. I would jump on that bandwagon in a second if the whole world went in that direction at the same time. But it isn't. There are really bad actors in this world who would like to destroy all our rights, freedoms, and our safety, even our lives. And the nation is the container of those things. If we do not take actions to protect the container of everything we have and are those things will spill out, destroyed. So, feel smug, hyper-liberals, but you will be responsible for your own demise. And yes boys and girls, sometimes you as a nation have to kill those people trying to kill you. That's the real world. Grow up.
The glasses you use when viewing historic academia are very rosy.
Perhaps so, but in recent years they seem to have completely shed any pretense of broadly educating young people to be good citizens able to evaluate the broad range of problems facing the country and the world today in favor of training them for a specific, probably disappearing, job - and while lining their own pockets to an unprecedented degree. 100,000+ dollars in student debt? Trillions of dollars of aggregated student debt? Completely unacceptable if this country is to survive. Somehow the academic leeches have to be controlled. And money is no solution. The more money you toss at them, the more money they want. That is my take on it following the course of events over the years.
They lack context for what they do. They aspire to become inhuman "stembots," cranking out code or devices - mere cogs in the machinery of tech production and maintenance. But then, higher education has changed into a vocational school environment that is milking generations for future earnings and no longer cares about educating young people for a higher purpose in life.
But if you naively think that there will be no machine-caused deaths then you fail to live in reality.
Nobody said that anywhere is this thread. They said, accurately, the *expectation* is that overall accidents and deaths will be lowered with self driving cars. If it doesn't lower them, people aren't morons. We won't have self driving cars on the road.
Companies don't care.
Companies do care about profits. If Waymo cars slaughter millions of pedestrians, that's not good for business.
It is a fundamental change in the way we think about human life to LET machines kill people.
No it isn't. It's about saving lives. Do you think you'd take solace in the fact that your son was killed by a drunk, distracted teenager? I mean, thank goodness, at least we don't have self driving cars getting into fender benders!
Your problem is you think everyone in the world is an idiot (but you apparently). We are smart enough to evaluate the success or failure of self driving car trials. Well at least I am. Are you?
"Expectation" -- there is the speculation with human lives that I'm talking about and you don't even see. You are talking about testing this "saving of lives" with lives like we are monkeys in a lab. Pure corporate-speak. "If Waymo cars slaughter millions of pedestrians, that's not good for business." There it is again, the cold-blooded corporate-speak denial of the value of human lives. Gee, I guess that didn't work, maybe we should stop doing that? Huh? (then the boards of directors laugh at the joke) And if robots killing people on the battlefield is so controversial today - and may be outlawed internationally - why are we going to allow robots to kill people on our streets?
Your comments are frighteningly cold and anti-human - just what I would expect from someone involved in the industry.
And why is it unacceptable to have robots killing humans on the battlefield, but ok on the roads of our country? It can be argued that allowing robot killing machines on the battlefield will more quickly end wars and save lives. The "save lives" argument is used to justify everything, but we must see it for what it is: merely a call to something that no one feels they can oppose in order to support an unsupportable dehumanizing cause.
When those engineers or people of vague displaced responsibility can be prosecuted and sent to jail for vehicular homicide I'll agree with you. Until then, yes, the machine kills people.
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I suggest this "solution" is the result of the ditching of male aggressive creativity and love for a good fight, for competition. They've thrown in the towel and gone practical female. Downward spiral. If there is still a male-controlled chipmaker out there, it will eat Intel's lunch.
Filters "useless" compounds. Um, ok. But what if the startling breakthrough takes place in one of those assumed useless compounds? No insight possible. No flash of brilliance. No serendipity. No human advantage possible. Remember junk DNA? It was until it wasn't.
There is an inevitable "complexity collapse" coming in the future. We can see hints of it now in things like this. Things will decouple that are supposed to work together. People won't be able to keep up with the changes and additions that are constantly laid on us all, even the experts. Every entity acts as if the new thing or the correction of the correction of the correction of the old thing is just something it is doing and everyone should be able to deal with it easily. But the SUM of these modifications additions and changes causes a growing feeling of being overwhelmed and the inability to understand just WTF is going on.
Now tell us about the various topping selections for pizza and human pathology! Mine THAT source of insight to human behavior! Wow, the worlds of understanding this opens up! How about people who like hot peppers of various degrees of heat? Sick bastards!
Keep this and add it to the bin of information that points out the growing virtualization of life in all things.
Sarcasm is not thought.
Thank you for your emotional response.
I'm sorry your mind has been so badly co-opted by the complex. There is nothing to be said. When so much emotion is generated, one knows they are dealing with a fanatic, or someone who has a vested interest.
The scientific-industrial complex sweeps all before it. This is just more visual pollution of the environment in order to collect data that has absolutely no value to humanity, but which satisfies the peculiarly accented motivation arrays of this type of scientist.
I resent the use of the phrase "old white men" - a tryptych of abuse- to describe something you don't like. Hyper-liberal women really push women's privilege when they use this odious combination to describe men. They don't expect to be taken as hypocrites.
It should be titled: China SAYS it produced Nano Fibre.....
We have people with a foot in the before and a foot in the after doing what such people do: lamenting the change from their own childhoods. But the fact is that a virtual world is and will continue to be developed. The "computerverse" will continue to advance and people will be drawn further and further into it. The past is dying/dead. In the 1980s, when I first projected such a change, I called it to myself the "Reality Rebellion." It was a scifi story I wanted to write (never did, I'm not a writer) in which people withdrew more and more from the physical world. People had computer chips inserted in their brains at birth along with a network of connections to the various parts of the brain. People could choose a way to alter the real world to live in various artificial worlds while moving in the real world. It doesn't matter what you think you are eating as long as you eat enough. You can see a rocket ship coming down the street instead of a car as long as you get out of the way. The world became simple, bland, white (green screen?), because the mind/system painted it as you selected in your brain as you moved through your day - a castle, a mansion, a place on Mars. Why not rebel against reality when reality is so painful for so many people? In any case, that is where it is going in the far future, or something like that. Computer augmented reality. And there are people choosing to live in virtual worlds already, as primitive as they are today. They have "property," get married, have "sex," have "children," own "things." They get real-life mad if you "trespass" on their "property" images. They work, have "jobs." Obey the laws, or not. Anyway, people living in their cellphones, or computer games are doing essentially the same thing, living in a virtual reality controlled by the priests of technology at Google, Facebook, etc. It will continue developing.
Capitalist contact with the vast Chinese market leads to sensitivity to communist Chinese government pressures. I believe these actions are the result of pressure directly or indirectly by the Chinese government. We can expect to see more and more of this shaping of our system by the Chinese and amoral/immoral bussiness leaders greedy for Chinese business.
Does anyone notice it is crap? Make a thing obscured and crappy enough and it must be great art. No.
Humans would have it everywhere. And primitive man would have used it for this purpose in his primitive medicine cabinet. It would be in supplements today. Besides, things that affect the nervous system do so by poisoning it in some way. It would be the same with linalool.
NASA opposed fueling rockets with people on board. Now it is ok with them. And using kids as guinea pigs for self driving vehicles is not ok, then it will be when the processes of corruption get their game on. Your life and the lives of your children mean nothing when it comes to business. Don't be fooled. They will kill you and your kids to make a buck. Can't people see the lines we are crossing as a society?
It works for those scientist who straddle the divide between the time they had to learn to do it themselves and gained knowledge and experience doing so, and the the time they will have only "big picture" thoughts. For those who only learn in a big picture environment I doubt they will be able to have the big picture thoughts. More like big fantasies. And they will only be able to do what can be done by the equipment. How do they develop new lab techniques when they only buy lab equipment that does certain things? "Why CAN'T the equipment do this?"
I really wish we could all be naive hyper-liberal globalist-humanists. I would jump on that bandwagon in a second if the whole world went in that direction at the same time. But it isn't. There are really bad actors in this world who would like to destroy all our rights, freedoms, and our safety, even our lives. And the nation is the container of those things. If we do not take actions to protect the container of everything we have and are those things will spill out, destroyed. So, feel smug, hyper-liberals, but you will be responsible for your own demise. And yes boys and girls, sometimes you as a nation have to kill those people trying to kill you. That's the real world. Grow up.
if scientists had not been fascinated by the possibility and made one? Scientists do what they do, and amorality is immorality.
The glasses you use when viewing historic academia are very rosy.
Perhaps so, but in recent years they seem to have completely shed any pretense of broadly educating young people to be good citizens able to evaluate the broad range of problems facing the country and the world today in favor of training them for a specific, probably disappearing, job - and while lining their own pockets to an unprecedented degree. 100,000+ dollars in student debt? Trillions of dollars of aggregated student debt? Completely unacceptable if this country is to survive. Somehow the academic leeches have to be controlled. And money is no solution. The more money you toss at them, the more money they want. That is my take on it following the course of events over the years.
They lack context for what they do. They aspire to become inhuman "stembots," cranking out code or devices - mere cogs in the machinery of tech production and maintenance. But then, higher education has changed into a vocational school environment that is milking generations for future earnings and no longer cares about educating young people for a higher purpose in life.
Our intelligence organs have hacked the hackers and are using it against them. Blanket denial would support this.
But if you naively think that there will be no machine-caused deaths then you fail to live in reality.
Nobody said that anywhere is this thread. They said, accurately, the *expectation* is that overall accidents and deaths will be lowered with self driving cars. If it doesn't lower them, people aren't morons. We won't have self driving cars on the road.
Companies don't care.
Companies do care about profits. If Waymo cars slaughter millions of pedestrians, that's not good for business.
It is a fundamental change in the way we think about human life to LET machines kill people.
No it isn't. It's about saving lives. Do you think you'd take solace in the fact that your son was killed by a drunk, distracted teenager? I mean, thank goodness, at least we don't have self driving cars getting into fender benders!
Your problem is you think everyone in the world is an idiot (but you apparently). We are smart enough to evaluate the success or failure of self driving car trials. Well at least I am. Are you?
"Expectation" -- there is the speculation with human lives that I'm talking about and you don't even see. You are talking about testing this "saving of lives" with lives like we are monkeys in a lab. Pure corporate-speak. "If Waymo cars slaughter millions of pedestrians, that's not good for business." There it is again, the cold-blooded corporate-speak denial of the value of human lives. Gee, I guess that didn't work, maybe we should stop doing that? Huh? (then the boards of directors laugh at the joke) And if robots killing people on the battlefield is so controversial today - and may be outlawed internationally - why are we going to allow robots to kill people on our streets? Your comments are frighteningly cold and anti-human - just what I would expect from someone involved in the industry.
And why is it unacceptable to have robots killing humans on the battlefield, but ok on the roads of our country? It can be argued that allowing robot killing machines on the battlefield will more quickly end wars and save lives. The "save lives" argument is used to justify everything, but we must see it for what it is: merely a call to something that no one feels they can oppose in order to support an unsupportable dehumanizing cause.
When those engineers or people of vague displaced responsibility can be prosecuted and sent to jail for vehicular homicide I'll agree with you. Until then, yes, the machine kills people.