Well, part of it IS marketing, and everybody exagerates. 1000's of applications use the word "windows".. Maybe, but I'd say most of them are "Word for Windows" type names.
But the case of the Lindows name itself, it depends on where you place the emphasis. I thought of it as Lin-dows, not L-indows. Where I'm sure Microsoft thinks 'L-indows'. In anycase, I think LindowsOS, the real name of the product is sufficiently different.
The target audience (the technical / OS downloading crows) isn't going to be confused on the name.
If it weren't for the freaking regressions happening in Wine, I would be running 100% in Linux right now.
The current WWN is convering the progress for some new testing tools for Wine.. But what if Lindows.com already HAD those tools? They could have fixed those regressions already, and boom, you have a 'more complete' Wine.
I don't think LindowsOS running Win32 apps is all that impossible. All the parts are already there, they're just not all working at the same time.
YEs, goto Novell for the best directory, and the best LDAP software available.
You can use Novell's eGuide as a good user admin utility VIA ldap. I've never tried it with a generic LDAP directory, but it should work well.
IMHO, if you're going to do anything that requires a large directory, look at NDS. You'll get your basic LDAP services and a lot more, including replication.
Move up to a Novell Netware 6 server, and get load balancing / automatic failover with it!
Ever play a video file off your server, then down the server, and have the video pick up where it left off?
So stick a rubber washer in one, like your hose has... Which we all know works fine until you run the end over with your car, but that shouldn't happen in your fridge.
I'm sorry, but to me "Bottlecap Technology" sounds about as necessary as "Toothbrush Technology"
Ok I work with EDI.. It's yet another 'standard' way of formatting data for exchange between different systems.
Do the SLIGHT variations really matter enough to garner a patent? A previous poster noted that different bottle cap designs are patented. That's absurd.
The idea of HTML is no different than the idea of XML. Formatting data. One type has tags for viewing, the other has tags for data type.
EDI is like XML. In fact there's talk of XML replacing EDI, but I really could care less, it just a fucking format. That's like converting from comma delimited to fixed width fields.
OHHH Fixed width! That's a NEW IDEA, and needs to be patented..
"And why is it that when the it is decided that some sort of multi-lateral standard is required, why is the US standard is the one that almost certainly adopted?"
Can you imagine if US standards of measurement would be applied to Science?
Instead of:
Meters you have Yards
Milimeters you have Inches
Centimeters you have eigths (and half the country can't do fractions..)
Where the hell did a foot come from?
Instead of Nanotechnology, you'd have pinkie toe technology.
Would anyone have a clue as to wafer size?
Sometimes when you see the U.S. coming, it IS best to just run for the hills, and it's NOT because of military might..
There's nothing wrong with that. I agree entirely with the philosophy and I do the same, just not as 'big'. I enjoy my work. I like going to work. Had I the money, and the projects, I would hire my friends.
But in making the workplace fun, you CAN'T lose your perspective. I think that's what happened. And from my personal experience, while I'm a good tech, I'm passive, and generally non-confrontational. Maybe John is similar..
(Why is MY brother Romero a druggie, while other Romero's are doing cool things? *sigh* )
One of ICQ's was a login buffer overflow. Basically if you used licq or a NON-Mirabilis version, you could login as anyone just by using a password longer than 15 chars (IIRC).
Ok so I used it once to send two of my coworkers homo "I like to watch your ass" emails from each other...
It sounds like your perception of 'hackable' is via electronic means.
The jist of security is to deny access to unauthorized personnel. It's WELL known that many companies spend too many resources in one area (Firewalls), and ignore another (fire escape). Plus, a lot of people think you're actually 'teaching' a machine to recognize a person.
If someone wants in, and they can't do it electronically, they'll wander around to the fire escape, and walk into the computer lab. Or use someones 'card' that is authorized.
You wouldn't think cutting a finger off, or ripping out an eyeball is 'hacking', but in both cases, your security is probably breached.
Already done, but the issue isn't the name, it's the code. We don't run OutLook, but if this thing was renamed before being sent, it could still potentially be damaging...Especially since the writeup at the link is so...sparse.
So I check the link to see what I can do to stop this worm before virus defs are released, and the best I can find is to drop.txt.pif ? Ok, that's nice, but I don't like to rely on extensions..
Where is the link to all the detailed meaningful info about this worm?
We use AccPac's Pro 5.0 here, in a small company with about 30 people. AccPac Pro(formerly SBT Pro) is the primary piece of software on EVERYONE's desktop. It is based on FoxPro 5.0, and almost all our subordinate applications are also in FoxPro. We currently accept EDI Sales Orders (850's), and send 810, 856, 870's. These are "hacked" apps (hacked because I wrote some of them, and I don't really consider FoxPro a programming language - I think if I know it, it can't be complicated enough to be a real language, but I digress..) for exchanging data with AccPac Pro and are also in FoxPro. Next to those custom apps, we also run Skyline, also Fox 5.
Wine runs Foxpro 5.0 _almost_ perfectly. In June there was a major restructuring of the windowing code, which totally broke (from my POV) MDI. Now, I don't want to get into how I feel about this broken code in a release (whether or not it's 'future-based' - primarily because it broke what *I* wanted:), but if the old working windowing code was combined with the current CVS, I believe FoxPro 5.0 apps would run perfectly.
Unfortunately, I don't have that kind of time or knowledge to backrev the./wine/windows stuff.
For me, that minor fix could lead to an LTSP-based network:)
Don't you get that feeling that some of these people are former TeamOS/2 ers?
Sure, the part about 'Microsoft doing what's best for Microsft' is a little bit of a personal tiff, but at least it's true. But dude, if you're going to claim that Microsoft isn't going to release a patch, at least link to a site that supports your claim. There's nothing like giving out false information, and then saying "Verify it with this guy", who says "What? He's full of shit."
Christ, How many Slashdot editors are there? And how many items are actually posted? At least read what you're posting. (And maybe spellcheck once in a while)
In 1992 I did a High School report on how Windows / IBM would completely leave Apple in the dust. It was very apparent Windows would be the OS of 'choice', even though I preferred DOS.
Secondly "In 1995....People didn't think online gaming would explode.." (paraphrased)
ummm in 1994 I was playing Descent online via IHHD and Kali. Sure, my Kali ID is 144, I was one of the 'early adopters', but come on. It was very easy to see it would evolve beyond the complications of DOS..
Then again, if Jon didn't see the Windows Desktop coming..
"Well, we use NTFS, and we're not in quite as much trouble as that - apply a domain-wide policy to remove the offending entry from HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and everything is ok there. "
I'm a Netware guy, but I can see potential issues with that.
The Gone.scr will RE-ADD itself to the registry if you delete it's key. Either it won't be permanantly deleted, or maybe you'll have issues with the two systems fighting over the key....
Rather than doing all the excess garbage to access the NTFS partition... why doesn't the damn thing run an autoexec.bat. Just have a 'policy' run that modifies all your users autoexec.bat's to unhide, then delete the offending file, and have them reboot.
Why does anyone have to fuck around with accessing NTFS outside the OS?
It says you have to remove the registry entry then reboot. Actually, if you remove the registry entry, the app reinstalls itself, then reboot doesn't do shit.
Shutdown to DOS, then del windows\system\gone.scr
(It's hidden attrib -s-r-h first), then reboot.
You can't delete it before you shutdown, it's 'in-use'.
If you're running NTFS, AND you've been hit, *sigh*..
Slashdot Mirror
Well, part of it IS marketing, and everybody exagerates. 1000's of applications use the word "windows".. Maybe, but I'd say most of them are "Word for Windows" type names. But the case of the Lindows name itself, it depends on where you place the emphasis. I thought of it as Lin-dows, not L-indows. Where I'm sure Microsoft thinks 'L-indows'. In anycase, I think LindowsOS, the real name of the product is sufficiently different. The target audience (the technical / OS downloading crows) isn't going to be confused on the name.
The current WWN is convering the progress for some new testing tools for Wine..
But what if Lindows.com already HAD those tools? They could have fixed those regressions already, and boom, you have a 'more complete' Wine.
I don't think LindowsOS running Win32 apps is all that impossible. All the parts are already there, they're just not all working at the same time.
YEs, goto Novell for the best directory, and the best LDAP software available.
You can use Novell's eGuide as a good user admin utility VIA ldap. I've never tried it with a generic LDAP directory, but it should work well.
IMHO, if you're going to do anything that requires a large directory, look at NDS. You'll get your basic LDAP services and a lot more, including replication.
Move up to a Novell Netware 6 server, and get load balancing / automatic failover with it!
Ever play a video file off your server, then down the server, and have the video pick up where it left off?
It just fucking rocks.
So stick a rubber washer in one, like your hose has. .. Which we all know works fine until you run the end over with your car, but that shouldn't happen in your fridge.
I'm sorry, but to me "Bottlecap Technology" sounds about as necessary as "Toothbrush Technology"
Ok I work with EDI.. It's yet another 'standard' way of formatting data for exchange between different systems.
Do the SLIGHT variations really matter enough to garner a patent? A previous poster noted that different bottle cap designs are patented. That's absurd.
The idea of HTML is no different than the idea of XML. Formatting data. One type has tags for viewing, the other has tags for data type.
EDI is like XML. In fact there's talk of XML replacing EDI, but I really could care less, it just a fucking format. That's like converting from comma delimited to fixed width fields.
OHHH Fixed width! That's a NEW IDEA, and needs to be patented..
Or am I completely off the mark?
"And why is it that when the it is decided that some sort of multi-lateral standard is required, why is the US standard is the one that almost certainly adopted?"
Can you imagine if US standards of measurement would be applied to Science?
Instead of:
Meters you have Yards
Milimeters you have Inches
Centimeters you have eigths (and half the country can't do fractions..)
Where the hell did a foot come from?
Instead of Nanotechnology, you'd have pinkie toe technology.
Would anyone have a clue as to wafer size?
Sometimes when you see the U.S. coming, it IS best to just run for the hills, and it's NOT because of military might..
There's nothing wrong with that. I agree entirely with the philosophy and I do the same, just not as 'big'. I enjoy my work. I like going to work. Had I the money, and the projects, I would hire my friends.
But in making the workplace fun, you CAN'T lose your perspective. I think that's what happened. And from my personal experience, while I'm a good tech, I'm passive, and generally non-confrontational. Maybe John is similar..
(Why is MY brother Romero a druggie, while other Romero's are doing cool things? *sigh* )
One of ICQ's was a login buffer overflow. Basically if you used licq or a NON-Mirabilis version, you could login as anyone just by using a password longer than 15 chars (IIRC).
Ok so I used it once to send two of my coworkers homo "I like to watch your ass" emails from each other...
No wonder it was so hard to find a job..
And here I thought it was just goofy Doom'ers on IRC that thought I was related..
Rick Romero
It sounds like your perception of 'hackable' is via electronic means.
The jist of security is to deny access to unauthorized personnel. It's WELL known that many companies spend too many resources in one area (Firewalls), and ignore another (fire escape). Plus, a lot of people think you're actually 'teaching' a machine to recognize a person.
If someone wants in, and they can't do it electronically, they'll wander around to the fire escape, and walk into the computer lab. Or use someones 'card' that is authorized.
You wouldn't think cutting a finger off, or ripping out an eyeball is 'hacking', but in both cases, your security is probably breached.
What? What does Slashdot care about lubrication?
And who is Nancy?
Already done, but the issue isn't the name, it's the code. We don't run OutLook, but if this thing was renamed before being sent, it could still potentially be damaging...Especially since the writeup at the link is so...sparse.
So I check the link to see what I can do to stop this worm before virus defs are released, and the best I can find is to drop .txt.pif ? Ok, that's nice, but I don't like to rely on extensions..
Where is the link to all the detailed meaningful info about this worm?
Behold, the power of Cheesium 886.
It's not me damnit!
We use AccPac's Pro 5.0 here, in a small company with about 30 people. AccPac Pro(formerly SBT Pro) is the primary piece of software on EVERYONE's desktop. It is based on FoxPro 5.0, and almost all our subordinate applications are also in FoxPro. We currently accept EDI Sales Orders (850's), and send 810, 856, 870's. These are "hacked" apps (hacked because I wrote some of them, and I don't really consider FoxPro a programming language - I think if I know it, it can't be complicated enough to be a real language, but I digress..) for exchanging data with AccPac Pro and are also in FoxPro. Next to those custom apps, we also run Skyline, also Fox 5.
:), but if the old working windowing code was combined with the current CVS, I believe FoxPro 5.0 apps would run perfectly.
./wine/windows stuff.
:)
Wine runs Foxpro 5.0 _almost_ perfectly. In June there was a major restructuring of the windowing code, which totally broke (from my POV) MDI. Now, I don't want to get into how I feel about this broken code in a release (whether or not it's 'future-based' - primarily because it broke what *I* wanted
Unfortunately, I don't have that kind of time or knowledge to backrev the
For me, that minor fix could lead to an LTSP-based network
So if they have to put two more satellites up, will they be named Sex and Drugs?
Don't you get that feeling that some of these people are former TeamOS/2 ers?
Sure, the part about 'Microsoft doing what's best for Microsft' is a little bit of a personal tiff, but at least it's true. But dude, if you're going to claim that Microsoft isn't going to release a patch, at least link to a site that supports your claim. There's nothing like giving out false information, and then saying "Verify it with this guy", who says "What? He's full of shit."
Christ, How many Slashdot editors are there? And how many items are actually posted? At least read what you're posting. (And maybe spellcheck once in a while)
You moron. Michael Simmons (Author of said book), is not referred to on that site.
That's Michael Sims, the Slashdot 'journalist'.
In 1992 I did a High School report on how Windows / IBM would completely leave Apple in the dust. It was very apparent Windows would be the OS of 'choice', even though I preferred DOS.
Secondly "In 1995....People didn't think online gaming would explode.." (paraphrased)
ummm in 1994 I was playing Descent online via IHHD and Kali. Sure, my Kali ID is 144, I was one of the 'early adopters', but come on. It was very easy to see it would evolve beyond the complications of DOS..
Then again, if Jon didn't see the Windows Desktop coming..
"Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Windows allows you to rename an open file."
Novell allows you to rename an open DIRECTORY on the server... but you can't rename open files.
"Well, we use NTFS, and we're not in quite as much trouble as that - apply a domain-wide policy to remove the offending entry from HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run and everything is ok there. "
I'm a Netware guy, but I can see potential issues with that.
The Gone.scr will RE-ADD itself to the registry if you delete it's key. Either it won't be permanantly deleted, or maybe you'll have issues with the two systems fighting over the key....
Rather than doing all the excess garbage to access the NTFS partition... why doesn't the damn thing run an autoexec.bat. Just have a 'policy' run that modifies all your users autoexec.bat's to unhide, then delete the offending file, and have them reboot.
Why does anyone have to fuck around with accessing NTFS outside the OS?
Oh I'm sure there are TONS of home users who've said "Yeah I'll upgrate to NTFS", and have a 2nd system laying around that already has NTFS on it...
*sigh* == A whole ton of different shit I don't want to address.
Ok, it's a pre-XP comment..
If you're running NTFS you should know enough to either do what you said, or not get infected.
I did not experiment on NT.
It says you have to remove the registry entry then reboot. Actually, if you remove the registry entry, the app reinstalls itself, then reboot doesn't do shit.
Shutdown to DOS, then del windows\system\gone.scr
(It's hidden attrib -s-r-h first), then reboot.
You can't delete it before you shutdown, it's 'in-use'.
If you're running NTFS, AND you've been hit, *sigh*..