Ever looked through the PHP source? It not a collection of hacks, it is professional, enterprise grade code. Can you imagine the strain of being the driving force of one of the most popular scripting languages today? In your spare time? How about the pressures brought by a single security issue in your creation being responsible for countless defacments? Well Jani clearly could handle the stress. Now add into the mix (if indeed this isn't a hoax) "newcomers" to your pet project? Now I'm not privy to much information, but if Jani felt he had got into a position where he was being, for want of a better word, "pushed away" or felt he was having his project taken away from him in some way. Then is seem s quite reasonable to storm out. My concern is how well will the PHP dev go without Jani'ss guiding hand?
Make a webpage, use some CSS, bit of JS, a few fancy bits, and any designer will tell you the next steps are the browser hacks to make the damn thing work properly.
If you've designed the site with IE6 in mind, try it in Firefox, if there are any mistakes in the rendering, try it in IE7. I've found that IE7 will mangle IE6 pages in almost EXACTLY the same way Firefox does. I dont know weather its a good or bad thing, Microsoft HAVE finally become standards compliant, but the result is the vast majority of sites designed for IE6, will have real problems.
People in the "enterprise" do not use "experimental" packages if they have even the remotest idea of what they're doing, becuase they'll get "hacked". Its bloody stupid to suggest otherwise. There are plenty of 0day(ish) exploits floating around for the Unstable Debian sources as they stand (Though not nearly as many as fedora).
When we have large companies putting pressure on the US courts to set precedent (often totally against common sense) on subjects, and law changing on a day to day basis its not surprising that the laws have become so warped that a ridiculous case like this can arise...
This is pathetic. Really. In my humble opinions most of the worlds problems like this are a matter of dicipline. You tell a heroine addict that there's a rehab centre for game addicts, he wont understand it (for a number of reasons;p).
Chilhood obesity? Bad behaviour? Game 'addiction'? The best cure for all the these ailments is a hard fucking slap and being told you get off your ass and get a life.
I have no time for these people, neither should be rest of the world.
Better yet, lets just take off every safty label in existance and let the problems with self discipline and stupidity sort itself out.
Its a bit like me building your house, but using rotten wood for girders and then charging you subscription for the metal RSJ I use to stop the house from falling down.
In the real world this is called fraud/extortion. In the IT world, its standard business practise from THE industry leader.
Fuck this for a lark! Where do I get to sign up for the cyberwar?
This is proof that their system pissed spammers off enough for a few of them to join forces and try and fuck things up. To be quite honest this is the first time spammers have been proactive in their attempts to fill my inbox, sure they may update lists, and change algos, but this differant.
If "spam" was a company this is the kind of move it would make if it felt threatened, and frankly even if the best we're doing is annoying these people, thats enough to justify this.
BlueSec: you got my vote and spare bandwidth if ever you decide to throw caution to the wind and try again.
My point is, these restrictions are here to keep us safe, not in a vote winning kind of way, but a way that might stop people getting hurt.
Also, there is no nanny state issue here, as these policies are not abused.
I live in the UK, I'm not so blasse as to call myself a Hacker, but I certainly stick to many hacker trends. When I first heard about this case, I did feel sorry for the guy, but after a little digging on the matter and having seen him in interview, I've lost all respect for him.
If for a second you take what he says to be true, you're left in a world where the US govenment is keeping the world poverty stricken, regularly airbrushing photo evidence of UFOs out of satelite images, has a cure for almost all known diseases (and doesn't use it) and develop weapons that make the AK47 look like a broken watergun. What is more the number of people who'd need to be involved in a conspiracy this big would be WELL into the thousands.
Ok, the US are bad, their policies are misguided and their president can barely string a sentance together, but fuck, this isn't Stargate SG1, its a pack of LIES.
Have fun in the US Gary.
You bitch at the govenment for this, then some people come along and bomb two big towers in NY and you won't shut the fuck up. Make up your mind.
I KNOW the police monitor text messages and voice calls in the UK. I also know that I could say PRETTY much anything i wanted and unless it involved bombs or planes, I'd have no trouble with the police.
I know one of the guys involved in the project, and submitted this story about 2 months back.
What the hell has happened to the editors recently? If its not perfectly good topics being carelessly turned down, its calling topics "[Popular Product Here] Killer!!"
Hello? Yes, i'd like some help with my browser please. Yes, well it appears i've caught a virus through it. Right. Right. Patch released next cycle? Some time next month? Great! You've been very helpful.
The theory sounds wonderful. I'm sure most of us would welcome this new, cleaner, streak free, web with open arms. However, think about it, how can you enforce a "law" throughout an world where the internet is anarchic at best, and chaos at worst.
They can pass as many ammendments and laws as they like, it still won't stop the Russians "mis-labeling" their sites. The Chinese will still send me e-mails offering spam servers, and bad things will keep happening.
If they pass this law, a few people will be punished, the vast majority will not, lots of taxpayers money will be wasted on enforcing a law to save face, and eventually the US will lose credibility for introducing a law they have no hope of fairly enforcing.
Here's an idea that doesn't seem to have dawned on people. If you don't want to become victim of commercial advertising, get off the fucking couch and do something with your life.
That article was a peice of shameless self promotion, with a few product plugs thrown in. I've read the article, I've NO IDEA what Big Bill does all day, but I can tell you that outlook has a popup when you get a new mail, he has a tablet PC, and is thinking about buying a digital whiteboard.
I don't give a fuck about his wonderful world of no paper, bad article.
You tell him to stand the fuck up, turn off the PC and get a fucking life.
Try getting addicted to coke, that's hard to kick. All you're friend need to do is to stop being such a boring little faggot and turn off the fucking power.
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Ever looked through the PHP source? It not a collection of hacks, it is professional, enterprise grade code. Can you imagine the strain of being the driving force of one of the most popular scripting languages today? In your spare time? How about the pressures brought by a single security issue in your creation being responsible for countless defacments?
Well Jani clearly could handle the stress.
Now add into the mix (if indeed this isn't a hoax) "newcomers" to your pet project? Now I'm not privy to much information, but if Jani felt he had got into a position where he was being, for want of a better word, "pushed away" or felt he was having his project taken away from him in some way. Then is seem s quite reasonable to storm out.
My concern is how well will the PHP dev go without Jani'ss guiding hand?
Make a webpage, use some CSS, bit of JS, a few fancy bits, and any designer will tell you the next steps are the browser hacks to make the damn thing work properly.
If you've designed the site with IE6 in mind, try it in Firefox, if there are any mistakes in the rendering, try it in IE7.
I've found that IE7 will mangle IE6 pages in almost EXACTLY the same way Firefox does.
I dont know weather its a good or bad thing, Microsoft HAVE finally become standards compliant, but the result is the vast majority of sites designed for IE6, will have real problems.
No shit! As more people use SQL, and as more bad devs can't test user input properly, THERE WILL BE MORE SQL INJECTION ATTACKS!! Slow news day?
People in the "enterprise" do not use "experimental" packages if they have even the remotest idea of what they're doing, becuase they'll get "hacked". Its bloody stupid to suggest otherwise. There are plenty of 0day(ish) exploits floating around for the Unstable Debian sources as they stand (Though not nearly as many as fedora).
Enough with the [Insert Product] killer! Something which was never alive CANNOT BE KILLED. I would have thought the online community knew that.
When we have large companies putting pressure on the US courts to set precedent (often totally against common sense) on subjects, and law changing on a day to day basis its not surprising that the laws have become so warped that a ridiculous case like this can arise...
This is pathetic. Really. In my humble opinions most of the worlds problems like this are a matter of dicipline. You tell a heroine addict that there's a rehab centre for game addicts, he wont understand it (for a number of reasons ;p).
Chilhood obesity? Bad behaviour? Game 'addiction'? The best cure for all the these ailments is a hard fucking slap and being told you get off your ass and get a life.
I have no time for these people, neither should be rest of the world.
Better yet, lets just take off every safty label in existance and let the problems with self discipline and stupidity sort itself out.
Its a bit like me building your house, but using rotten wood for girders and then charging you subscription for the metal RSJ I use to stop the house from falling down.
In the real world this is called fraud/extortion. In the IT world, its standard business practise from THE industry leader.
Love the winner. Love the runner up. Slashdot looks shit as it is.
Goodnight London.
Fuck this for a lark! Where do I get to sign up for the cyberwar?
This is proof that their system pissed spammers off enough for a few of them to join forces and try and fuck things up. To be quite honest this is the first time spammers have been proactive in their attempts to fill my inbox, sure they may update lists, and change algos, but this differant.
If "spam" was a company this is the kind of move it would make if it felt threatened, and frankly even if the best we're doing is annoying these people, thats enough to justify this.
BlueSec: you got my vote and spare bandwidth if ever you decide to throw caution to the wind and try again.
My point is, these restrictions are here to keep us safe, not in a vote winning kind of way, but a way that might stop people getting hurt. Also, there is no nanny state issue here, as these policies are not abused.
This USA-apologist is pissed off with the US. The US government is just that, a government, its not a sci-fi.
grow up dude.
When they put it like that it doesn't sound so bad...
I live in the UK, I'm not so blasse as to call myself a Hacker, but I certainly stick to many hacker trends. When I first heard about this case, I did feel sorry for the guy, but after a little digging on the matter and having seen him in interview, I've lost all respect for him.
If for a second you take what he says to be true, you're left in a world where the US govenment is keeping the world poverty stricken, regularly airbrushing photo evidence of UFOs out of satelite images, has a cure for almost all known diseases (and doesn't use it) and develop weapons that make the AK47 look like a broken watergun. What is more the number of people who'd need to be involved in a conspiracy this big would be WELL into the thousands.
Ok, the US are bad, their policies are misguided and their president can barely string a sentance together, but fuck, this isn't Stargate SG1, its a pack of LIES.
Have fun in the US Gary.
You bitch at the govenment for this, then some people come along and bomb two big towers in NY and you won't shut the fuck up. Make up your mind.
I KNOW the police monitor text messages and voice calls in the UK. I also know that I could say PRETTY much anything i wanted and unless it involved bombs or planes, I'd have no trouble with the police.
I know one of the guys involved in the project, and submitted this story about 2 months back. What the hell has happened to the editors recently? If its not perfectly good topics being carelessly turned down, its calling topics "[Popular Product Here] Killer!!"
Hello? Yes, i'd like some help with my browser please. Yes, well it appears i've caught a virus through it. Right. Right. Patch released next cycle? Some time next month? Great! You've been very helpful.
The theory sounds wonderful. I'm sure most of us would welcome this new, cleaner, streak free, web with open arms. However, think about it, how can you enforce a "law" throughout an world where the internet is anarchic at best, and chaos at worst.
They can pass as many ammendments and laws as they like, it still won't stop the Russians "mis-labeling" their sites. The Chinese will still send me e-mails offering spam servers, and bad things will keep happening.
If they pass this law, a few people will be punished, the vast majority will not, lots of taxpayers money will be wasted on enforcing a law to save face, and eventually the US will lose credibility for introducing a law they have no hope of fairly enforcing.
Here's an idea that doesn't seem to have dawned on people. If you don't want to become victim of commercial advertising, get off the fucking couch and do something with your life.
Star Trek is a TV show. Please stop comparing it to REAL LIFE.
That article was a peice of shameless self promotion, with a few product plugs thrown in. I've read the article, I've NO IDEA what Big Bill does all day, but I can tell you that outlook has a popup when you get a new mail, he has a tablet PC, and is thinking about buying a digital whiteboard.
I don't give a fuck about his wonderful world of no paper, bad article.
Its all dialup speeds, and anyway, freenet is notorious for its "illicit" content. Not for me.
You tell him to stand the fuck up, turn off the PC and get a fucking life.
Try getting addicted to coke, that's hard to kick. All you're friend need to do is to stop being such a boring little faggot and turn off the fucking power.
yes! me!