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YouTube Killer (Media Portal w/ Revenue Sharing)
MattPF writes "eefoof.com is a user-submitted content site similar to YouTube/Google Video which allows users to submit Videos, Images, Flash and Audio while receiving a share of the site's ad revenue. For example, if someone uploads a really popular video that accounts for a lot of traffic in a given month, the user will receive a good portion of the video ad revenue for the month. Could this be the YouTube killer?"
But more likely it's a paid ad...
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The shameless self-promotion on Slashdot and Digg (and probably elsewhere) kind of grates, but you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette. You have to swallow your pride a little when you're starting out, so please give them a break on this. Think of it like this: we're getting a chance to get in early while the contribution:pageview ratio is skewed, and we have an opportunity to perhaps make a little money.
But then again, it's not exactly the first advert in history to offer me a 'chance to make real money'. Apparently I could be making $2000/hour just by filling out surveys online!
It is, however, the most Web2.0-compliant site I've ever seen. If it is at all possible to compete with or even oust YouTube, 'eefoof' certainly seems to be the site for the job.
It looks like several are doing this. The NYT has a story about Lulu.tv today. And it mentions revver.com is doing something similar.
Can we stop using the phrase ______-killer? A product can have weight on its own merit, and some companies to coexist even if there is a clear top dog (google, anyone?).
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Wasn't Google about to do something like this too?
Either way, good to see that besides free hosting (don't underestimate that), people also are getting a share in revenue: I think this might lead to more creative/fun little movies being made.
What is to stop anyone from going to YouTube, searching for the most popular videos of the moment and uploading them to the new site. They would then be getting Ad money for videos that didn't belong to them.
...every new site/service has to have a retarded name? eefoof, Okapipi, Dirty Rhino, Blue Hippo, come on!
These clowns have been spamming this junk all over the Net today.
Creating fake accounts, pretending to be people jumping on the bandwagon, etc.
Die, spammers, die.
Let's just hope that a naked fat english white man is the kind of thing that sells.
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Oh great. A new exciting website... slashdotted already!
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Speaking of video business models, Bob Young is in the NYTimes this morning covering www.lulu.tv and the business model of a creator co-op. Bob Young was actually talking specifically about the possibilities of sharing advertising back in his presentation at Linuxworld.
It is good that open source folks are focusing on the business models for Internet Video as this is another place that if we are not careful will get yanked away from joe public and put into the hands of execs and studios that push their cookie cutter dreams all over my viewing experience... and far more importantly take the cash that should be going to creators.
Holy shit! Have these people ever heard of is_resource()?
And what about prepending mysql_connect with a @ to hide the error messages from naughty boys who you don't want knowing the location of your web dir and your mysql socket?It's not often that I'm out-noobed in PHP, but these guys have managed it.
can you say copyright infringment? ebaumsworld perhaps?
I love these headlines. "DS Killer", "Microsoft iPod Killer". Whether a bias opinion or bad judgement by the submitter, few companies would like to have their product labeled as the "other brand killer", for the reasons that 1) it still keeps the other product in the potential-customer's mind and 2) it does give the company developing said 'killer' a rather aggressive and nasty appearance that may backfire. "Why do you want to kill my iPod, mister? I love my iPod!"
Also, look for the revenue sharing to occassionally go towards legal fees, as I'm sure there will be more than one-piece of copyrighted material available for view. Someone will upload clips of Korgoth of Barbaria that someone missed, or something along those lines, and then either complain about not getting paid for the traffic, or having to fight off Time Warner lawyers.
And reverting back to my original point, can we please stop diagnosing something as something else's 'killer'? The market is very finicky, and often things that take off are things no one thought would. I laughed at the iPod when it first came out, now I own one. The PSP was supposed to outsell the DS by a phenomenal margin, and that's not hapening. And most of all, it has less of a chance of happening if someone starts showing off their design and yelling "but it's better and has go-faster stripes!".
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I agree with you. It is just promotional phrase. It is so rare, when one product or service completely replace another one.
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The fundamental problem with this business model is that even on services where there's no revenue attached, you get 20 people uploading the same videos. When you attach money to it, you can guarantee that any popular post gets re-posted 25,000 times by others hoping to make a buck. Then what happens when someone posts up entertainment skits produced by others? Now you are making revenue from someone else's works. This just seems to have a giant "TOO COMPLICATED TO SURVIVE" stamped on it's forehead.
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If they can't survive a slashdotting of their front page, how are they going stream large media files to an audience big enough that the revenue share we would get would is an amount greater than a couple cents?
You can't kill YouTube. Everyone knows that the internet won't work without tubes!
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I can practically count on one hand the times I find a link to a YouTube video where the actual copyright owner has uploaded it, rather than it being a snippet of TV show, a film clip or a whole music video.
Right now, it's a pain for the owners to constantly watch YouTube and remove them, particularly when it's usually fans of the people involved uploading them in barely-watchable low quality, just for fun.
If people are starting to make actual money from this, however, the studios are going to smack it with an absolutele vengeance, just on principle, surely?
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Great idea, poor technical implementation. Their MySQL is already dropping connections due to /. effect. Major fun when they start serving these extremely popular videos we're all going to upload.
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I love these headlines. "DS Killer", "Microsoft iPod Killer"
You don't see any Microsoft iPods around anymore, do you?
So what happens if you're the first guy to upload the Numa Numa video?
Just looking at the front page (where they show the PBJ Time flash) made me think people getting money off popular videos. It'd almost be like eBaum's World, but now it's more than one person making money off other people's work. Heck, it even looks like they're _encouraging_ it. Look at "step 2" on their front page: "Why let someone else find it and reap the rewards?"
I mean, of course, there would be plenty of original content to go on the site, but every video site has reposted stuff (obviously). Plus, I have to wonder how much you actually get for uploading a popular video. I see the screenshot in "step 3," but come on.
Oh, and where are the ads on the site? I don't see any. I might be looking in the wrong place, I dunno.
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Wait you're not kidding? it's really called Eefoof?
Hahahaha!@#
I don't know if eefoof.com will be able to make it by sharing their revenue when youtube is rapidly losing money while keeping all of its own. The bandwidth requirements for serving video are nasty. Unless they switch to a p2p-amplified system (or find a much less expensive bandwidth source) they're probably frelled.
Do we really need even more inducement for people trying to become the next internet "big thing"? Here in my home town we have already had some idiot pasting posters around town saying "Who is the {insert town name>} Ninja???", with a web address at the bottom.
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The internet funnies have already become so contrived that people with little talent see it as their best chance for their 5 seconds of fame. Gone are the days when a gawky Turk called Mahir could accidentally become an internet fad, or that an overweight Star Wars nerd could not want to become an internet phenomenon. Now every man and his e-dog are trying to come up with the next "O RLY?" or the next "all your base" and it's getting a little tiresome.
Maybe I'm just getting old and cynical
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eefoof image hits for the month: 10,000
FUNNY.JPG hits for the month: 100
eefoof image ad revenue: $1,000
FUNNY.JPG revenue earned: $10.00
eefoof's expenses $5.00
FUNNY.JPG earned you: $5.00
Looks like opportunity for some Hollywood accounting
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Hrm, and of course, there's no requirement that you were the creator of said video (just like youtube, google video, etc). So if say, someone rips a screener dvd, uploads it, and lots of people watch it, they get paid? Sounds a lot like... a ratio warez site.
yeah, I see now.YouTube's been around for just over a year and already we're looking for its killer? Couldn't we just want YouTube to be improved a bit rather than migrating en masse from site to site every 15 minutes?
Or maybe I'm just getting old.
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I bet its more likely slashdot is a eefoof.com killer.
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Ok, this is NOT going to be the big YouTube killer that the article says it will.
First thing: Look at the ads!
The ads are normal Google Adsense ads. How on earth will Eefoof (what a name sigh) see which video/image made what profit...?
The way it works I think is this:
- People click on the adsense ads.
- Eefoof looks at the clicks per post
- Eefoof divides the revenue in two, 50% for Eefoof and 50% for you...
I'm not so sure this will work (at all). And the website already being offline and giving SQL errors isn't a good thing either.
Nothing will stop the big Youtube train, its now steaming ahead full speed. But I must admit, the "Make Money Now" will attract people to try it, and is a very good idea overall. But not if its implemented like this.
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You're getting 1%, they're getting 99%. Fair enough, maybe, depending on your other options for making money from your videos. I haven't looked into that. What jumped out at me is that then their expenses come out of YOUR 1% rather than their 99%. What a deal. The RIAA has taught them well. Next up, eefoof will be deducting packaging fees and a breakage reduction from your cut.
Meh.
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MattPF: please stop spamming slashdot; it's annoying.
To be fair, he hasn't posted much... still, when nearly all of your comments are self-promotion, something is suspect.
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Look at my Web 2.0/Dotcom-compliant features:
Web 2.0
- Rounded corners!
- Completely AJAX-based navigation!
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- The site uses XHTML 1.1, even though no browser can differentiate it from HTML 4.01 due to the IE not understanding application/xhtml+xml!
- CSS feeds all over the place!
- Misspelled domain name! (In fact, I should register dethmatch.com as well)
- Stupid, irrelevant tagline! ("Where the killr is the killer killer.")
- Web 2.0 buttons!
- Digg links on every page!
- Links to MySpace, YouTube, Flickr and delicio.us on every page!
- In fact, the links are loaded into an IFrame using AJAX!!
Dotcom
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eefoof? is that supposed to be a play on e-foof? what is a foof? I went onto http://www.urbandictionary.com and looked up foof, just to make sure, because I remember a few of my ex's calling their vagina a foof. I thought it was a cute name too, better than the C word. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=foo f
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Getting paid for making funny / stupid videos is nothing new, I can't wait for it to be listed as a legitimate profession :\.
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... YouTube start doing the same thing!! I mean, YouTube already has such a momentum and hell-of-a brand name. So how does effoff (what's in the name anyway?) going to pull this off ?
.... but you get the idea ;)
It's like people arguing open source Java will never fork, because all the goodness in new fork will be absorbed into the original Java, hence new fork will never survive. Ok, that example is a bit off
I think we've found the eefoof killer.
So, by all this '---- Killer' logic...
.. why... why.. .. why....
If my mom is better than your mom, then all the sudden my mother is a mom-killer?
Sweet, my mom is a killer! Uhm, is she going to jail now?
Why world, why! Isn't there room in the world for two mom's?!?!
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...than youtube.
So, they are going to carry all the traffic AND pay you a small percentage of the ad revenue?
Hello?? Anyone Home?? Youtube is paying a million dollars in bandwidth a month and not making that in Revenue!?!?!?
Whats your business plan? How to go out of business faster?
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Apart from the fact, their progress bar graphic is half-hinched from http://www.huddletogether.com/projects/lightbox/ the site breaks in firefox 1.5.0.4 and opera 9. It looks great
Please... if your gonna host a major file streaming website at least have some bandwidth and server power to back it up. not some $9.99 vhost server.
Unauthorized distribution of copyrighted material FOR PROFIT is clearly illegal. This will go down faster than Napster, and everyone who "shared" in the revenue could be liable for the full penalty.
Don't do it, man...
Is this reminicent to a part in snow crash where it mentioned users uploading stuff and then getting paid depending on its popularity?
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Looks like some kid made this in his basement. Site Crashed on me several times. Thumbs down to whoever decided to post this up, it is not real, it is some greedy kid's attempt to make a few dollars on adsense ads. Too bad his 7$ a month godaddy hosting won't support the app!
freakin site is down barfing mysql errors at me
Dead site, couldn't back out. No content.
Waste of time.
Most people have already forgotten the concept of "mp3 player", and it's not really accurate anyway -- songs bought off iTunes aren't mp3, and newer iPods are capable of playing video, which obviously isn't mp3.
By saying "iPod-killer", no one has a problem identifying what your product is.
It also helps avoid the problem of accidently pretending you're first. Imagine if the article summary just said "Site that lets you upload and publish your own videos." Everyone would immediately say "YouTube ripoff! Lame!" Only way out of that one is to say how it's different, but they aren't, always -- and you'd be surprised by the number of morons who would look at a new "mp3 player" and call it an iPod-ripoff, because they've already forgotten that the iPod wasn't first.
I'm not saying it's always appropriate, though. Most people who know what Windows is also know that there are plenty of other OSes, so calling a new Linux distro a "Windows-killer" sounds pretty lame. OTOH, most people who know what an iPod is have never even considered buying anything other than an iPod as a small digital music player, and probably aren't aware they exist. As far as YouTube killers, we really don't have a more general term than "YouTube-like service" or "YouTube killer".
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The main reason this won't work is because giving "significant" ad revenue to the video creator + paying for bandwidth/hosting > total ad revenue received... ...but I don't like the idea that people will get the idea that they should be paid for videos they shoot and upload. How is eBaum's World supposed to stay in business? This is a threat to their business model -- taking videos they find on other sites and putting them on theirs, knowing they won't get sued because hardly anyone cares, and those that do won't be able to prove any monetary damages. Now they actually can, which sucks.
(No, I'm not trying to be funny. I actually feel that if you're not able to protect your uploaded content, if it's AT ALL able to be decompiled/decrypted/cracked/etc., then you have no right to bitch when it's taken and put elsewhere.)
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Could this be the YouTube killer?
/.'ed or dugg...
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...in certain accents that put the emphasis on the first sylable of "eefoff" could make it sound like...well, perhaps "PR Brain Fart"?
I said that Moz was happy, even though they were in second place. MS is clearly happy and wealthy due to their dominance. However, IE7 is slated to be very Moz-esque due to the increased competition - proof that MS had its feathers ruffled.
Lets try this again, shall we?
You:But we live in a "second place is first loser" society.
Me:Tell that to those guys over at Mozilla. They seem to be pretty thrilled about the percentage they took back from MS.
You:..?
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Any time you have the statment: Is this/This is a [insert hot popular item] killer, it isn't.
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Participate For Payout sites aren't anything new; I receive a lot of spam each week telling me how I can earn oodles by sitting on my ass and filling out forms. However, it seems that more and more legitamite PFP sites are coming out of the woodwork, seemingly differing from the PTS sites of yore.
The Pay To Surf (PTS) model requires you to do what you normally do while having banner ads running along some part of your screen. These have low pay out because it's simple to ignore the ads, so advertisers aren't willing to pay a lot for them to be shown.
PFP, on the other hand, requires more interaction with the user. One site that I've gotten into is Moola. Being a beta version, you need an invite to get in (I wonder where they got that idea from). The jist is that you play games to win money, but you are actually playing against another human competitor, and whoever wins gets all of the money in the pot. The "bait" for the site is that you could reach a $10 million payout, but only after you win 30 consecutive games on increasing levels, putting all your earnings so far on the line each time. The site gives you a penny to start out with. If you lose all your money, you get another penny and another go. Even if you lose, the games are fun (though there are only two right now) so you're entertained enough to play again.
How they make revenue is by forcing you to watch ads. You have a video ad, generally between 10 and 20 seconds, and after the ad you have to answer a question about it, forcing you to pay attention (if you get a repeat ad, they allow you to skip it and go straight to the question, which is nice.)
eefoff (Fuck off?) appears to be trying a similar model, but instead of creating content itself and letting users interact, it has a place to allow users to host the content, encouraging more content by offering a payout.
However, I imagine this is kind of a logistics and litigatious nightmare. Obviously, there will be some sort of report feature for media that is copyrighted, but how fast will they be able to respond? And what about non-copyrighted but popular content? I remember trying to find the "Juggernaut Bitch" video that got interest on the net on YouTube only to be greeted with 25 different copies of varying quality (even the original was pretty bad). How does eefoff plan to handle this kind of thing? (can't visit it cause I'm at work) If a popular video is downloaded by someone and then uploaded back to eefoof, that gives them basically free money, and takes away from the original creator/poster, making them less likely to provide more original content in the future.
I'm also curious about how they plan to do revenue. Plastering the site with ads will only drive consumers away. You can insert video ads before someone watches a video, but what about the rest? How do they plan to make enough money with online advertisement to facilitate not only the storing and displaying of various media, but also cutting members a percentage?
Of course, if this takes off it would be useful for indie producers, as they could share their vision with the world and get a little cash towards their next project.
Oops. You're spot on. That'll teach me to read and reply before finishing the first cup of coffee.
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with the promise of revenue to the user that posts interesting stuff. I find the stuff on Google/Yahoo/YouTube to be mostly garbage. Its like a video waste of time for me to spend any more time on those systems than is necessary. Granted, there is good content, lectures, hard to find archives (mostly on Google), and the value to me is with that functionality, but to find 20-30 or even 40% of the postings and high traffic videos really teasers for porno, I find it has a low S/N ratio and thus the utility is less. I would be interested even in paying for the ability to go to a site that has socially redeeming value videos. Someone, there is a market for quality sites that are not afraid of being pay-per-use/view... Just don't bend me over to do it.
I don't know is eefoof.com is a youtube killer, But slashdot is certainly a eefoof.com killer.
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the profit sharing idea seems to be getting popular. There is a myspace/livejournal ish site at www.soulcast.com that does the same thing. I really love the soulcast site, but my love of it has nothing to do with the profit sharing. I just like their system better than myspace and livejournal. Check my sig for my soulcast blog
Once people are motivated by making money rather than sharing something cool, I fear the content will quickly resort to scheming traps to build clicks.
If I want sports information from the web, I find better content and much less irritation at fan-created forums than at the bloaty pop-uppy sites like ESPN.com. I think the former is analogous to YouTube, the latter to what a money-driven sharing site would become.
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looks like they are a little busy after all this spamming they've been doing.
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I'm curious why people don't think this "kill feature" would take all of *one weekend* for YouTube or GoFish or any of the other video sites to copy in two seconds if it were looking like a good idea?
Enough with the [Insert Product] killer! Something which was never alive CANNOT BE KILLED. I would have thought the online community knew that.
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I'm starting a pool on how long it takes before copyright holders sue them for paying unauthorized posters.
YouTube is bad enough, but there's no money involved to spur posting. If there's one thing a cartel hates worse than people giving away their stuff for free, it's people people giving away their stuff for money.
I don't expect these alternatives to pull the rug out from under youtube or google video, but youtube and google video could become the next media cartels with some tweaking to their existing models. Pay both the content submitters as well as the reviewers. Newgrounds style but rewarded with money rather that kudos or whatever. Turn every user into a talent scout and potential talent themselves. I can picture a Google Music and Google Animation in addition to Google Video. Penalize content submitters who submit content to which they do not own the copyright, and allow submitters to withdraw content and retain their copyright. Google could buy an independant record company and award contracts to the highest ranking users. Eventually, they could pay users to be P2P bandwidth partners to reduce their operating costs, make it optional so there is no perception of them being cheap. They could turn every garage band, aspiring movie maker, clueless broadband user, and couch potato into money makers for them. Get the copyright issues taken care of and it's all made.
Lets take a recap of that we have learned today: The internet is like tubes and now someone has send a killer after them.
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It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the internets or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain, there is no stopping them; the tube killers will soon be here. And I, for one, welcome our new tubelords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted
Did anyone else misread the URL for this new site?
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Saying you can kill YouTube is like saying you can kill the iPod, its not gonna happen!
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I dont want to annoy anyone - I would really like to hear what you people have to say about it.
Well, the service name is Triond and it has just launched (a week and a half ago).
I believe that when comparing eefoof to Triond, Triond is superior, since we publish not only multimedia content but also textual articles. Well, that's not the only advantage IMO, but I will say no more leave it to you to decide.
Anyway, feel free to sign up, publish some content and see what happens...
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I would still prefer YouTube because shared profit probably means they have to make more of it, which means more ads, and when it comes to ads I say no :)