1) Multi-format card reader, for reading photos from your camera. WTF? My Camera? Not useful for games or movies, pass. Not to mention they cost like $20 for an external USB model I can use if I want (which they already said in an interview was supported).
Did it also say in the interview that is how you will be saving GAMES? cause everything I have read that is it's MAIN function, you won't be able to use a memory card with your GAME saves on it cause they won't be included, but if you have way of transfering saves from the PS1 or 2 and then putting them on to one of the multiformat cards (notice I said that, no wheres did I say Digital Camera Card, they can be used for more then just cameras) and then into the system you can resume them like normal.
2) Large hard drive. Yes 20GB can fill up, but honestly if I'm playing GAMES and MOVIES, what is it going to fill up with? One of the more compelling upgrades I'll grant but I'd also say I can get a much larger drive and replace it myself for much less than $100.
You awnsered your own question, if you are playing MOVIES then they add up in space. an average movie is 1 hour 30 minutes in length, just out putting it in an AVI format will result in a 700mb-2gb file (depending on quality), you do the uncompressed MPEG format and you are talking 2gb-4gb for the MOVIE. That adds up really fast. Then with the GAMES it all depends on the developer and how many GAMES you have. look at Battlefeild 2 for the PS2, the updates for it are ALWAYS over 100mb (the two I grabbed clocked in at 400mb for one and 300mb for the other, so that's 700mb gone right there) so you get the updates of that size, addons of that size (if the marketplace takes off and they start offering full games for download ala steam then that hdd will fill up extremly fast for some).
3) Wireless. Just because it lacks wireless doesn't mean it doesn't have a network adaptor. Suck it up and run a cable over yonder.
I have no problem running a cable, it's what I normally do, yet not everyone is the same, some would like to have the wireless instead of wired either because they are in a room to far away from the modem and they don't exactly want 300ft of ethernet cord running through their house just so they can play their system online.
4) HDMI. You simply are not understanding that this is the biggest negative of the whole deal. I would pay money for a console without this; Sony has chosen to make a version $100 cheaper! You can play games at 1080p over component. You can watch movies at least 1080i over component. Simply put it will not look that much different that HDMI with quality componet cables, AND you can run said cables a longer distance without the signal dying. Furthermore have you read what a nightmare HDMI is to connect in the real world? I hope you've waited for HDMI v1.3 where many of the kinks have been washed out... I say wash your hands of it and use a connection standard that makes sense and looks almost as good.
I could honestly careless about HDMI but guess what? our opinions on it don't matter. Movies have been dictated that they will only run in HD if they are connected to HDMI, if you use any other way to connect you will not get HD quality video from them, why not get rid of the ethernet port on it aswell? not everyone in the US has broadband, that should knock off another $50 on the price. Take out the HDD in it and we got a ssytem smack dab in the middle of the 360 in terms of price.
Lastly, think for a second - WHY do you think it would require the HDMI connection to play games? That makes zero sense, at the core it is a GAMES console. There is no technical need to use HDMI for 1080p, indeed modern displays quite happily accept 1080p over component. So since there is no technical drawback to supporting 1080p over component why would the $500 PS3 not do so?
If apple bought them we would see Nintendo consoles become the most expensive on the market, wouldn't be as powerfull as the other consoles, not have many games...wait, the last two are where they are at now in the home console market...Maybe Apple already bought a big stake in them?
God help us when it comes to the handhelds to. It would make the PSP look like an orgasmic celebration. We would get the mandatory iPod right form the start so there's $300 for it before we get to games, then you add in the game playing ability (and who want's that from Apple? they aren't about games, it's about fashion statements and buisness) which would be massivly underutalized because there isn't enough space in programing for it.
I always find these things funny, they never seem to remember that Nintendo owns a shitload more then just games. It would cost billions to buy Nintendo since they most of the reckonizable IP's.
oh they are turning on the ICT Flag, they said that after 2 years (when they figure stand alone players will be much cheaper) they would be turning it on (which in itself is stupid).
I understand that the $500 console is a full console but when you compare it to the one $100 more it looks like a complete ripoff.
The $600 includes wireless, 60gb hdd, HDMI & multiformat card reader out of the box.
The $500 version doesn't have wireless, HDMI or multiformat card reader (last I read) out of the box and it has a 20gb hdd out of the box.
To upgrade to the same features as the $600 console, first off is impossable since you can't add an HDMI port to the system, secondly the Wireless kit could cost anywheres from $30 (going with the DS Thumbdrive thing) to $100 (Xbox 360 wireless adapter) so right there one component could cost the same ammount as the "Delux" PS3, then you add in the 60gb hdd which could range anywheres from $70-$150 (depends on how they are feeling at the time) so to just get two features you are at the same price or well over what the other one has out of the box for $100 more.
the 360 is the same way, the $300 core model seems nice till you start adding on the stuff that comes in the premium model out of the box.
The 20gb hdd is $100 so right there you are at the premium model, then you have the Wireless controller $50, Headset $20, component cables $40, Ethernet cable (since it varies in price and I couldn't find how long the cable was I don't want to guess).
So to just get the core model to have the same things in the Premium model (that are out of the box) you pay an extra $210+ for the same things that would cost you $100 more.
So that's why I say the less featured model is pointless in the long run, with the PS3 it's more so if you are thinking of getting a cheap blu-ray player (as they point out) since it will only be good for two years before only the delux model will be able to do it, Sony might continue making blu-ray movies ignore the flag but at some point they will enable it regardless if the $500 model is outselling the $600 model 10 to 1, you have to remember the MPAA factor in it (hell if the RIAA can threaten to keep a country out of the WTO then the MPAA can make the $500 PS3 useless as a cheap blu-ray player in a heart beat..then of course cost sony millions (if no billions) in fines for false advertising and god knows what else.) ,br>
if it's just games you are after and could careless about the supposed linux OS, media player capabilitys (cause 20gb can fill up REAL fast) and it being your blu-ray player then yeah the $500 model is perfect since games (hopefully) won't require the HDMI connection in order to play games.
well it's just like the Xbox 360, The $300 model is pointless (granted not as pointless as the PS3 core model) cause it lacks the hard drive, which costs $100 to get just like the Premium model (which comes with 4 extra things).
The reason I don't count the lower end model is because it's better to get everything up front, Sony Claims that blu-ray movies will play fine over component on the PS3 for the first couple of years then it will be mandatory that they use the HDMI connection for true HD viewing (otherwise they are no better then DVD, thus rendering Blu-Ray useless at that point) so it renders the lower end model pointless at that point.
And Yes, I would be saying the samething if Nintendo was releasing two consoles (one at $300 and one at $200) the one that had more abilitys would be the true console while the lower end one would suffer in some way. Now the PS3 doesn't since the only thing the HDMI would be required for (atleast for the time being) would be the Blu-Ray movies cause I don't think Game makers would be that stupid to require you to have a certain type of connection in order to play their game.
only it's not supposed to be randomly. They play through the game like a normal person would, when they encounter something they find strange they will do it multipule times to see if it comes up again or if it's just a completly random thing (some stuff you just can't program out).
But they usually go through a certain section (since this game is so huge they have multipule people doing different points of the game) and they play it normally just to make sure, then they do weird things to try and break the game and let them know what they find out so the programers will know if it's indeed a bug or just a random occurance of programing.
but to have a Quest fail because you do Step 2 before Step 1 I would say is a big bug that shouldn't of made it out of QA Testing, programing or any other form. Then the ability to not restart the quest clean if you already saved is pretty damn bad.
Who knows, maybe this will piss off enough people that the next patch will give you the ability to restart a quest and it resets the world so that quest will be working again (easy fix for the exploit that would fallow even though it's single player and wouldn't matter would be to not reset experiance and items the creatures would give.)
So now they are saying it's a Computer to explain the price. Ok I can understand that.
What I still can't understand is why they refuse to talk about the OS in it. if they plan for it to be a "Computer" then how are they going to pull it off with a closed OS?
I've only heard them say "It will come preinstalled with Linux!" well big woop there, I could sell PC's preinstalled with linux, doesn't mean people will want to buy it if they find out that Linux is completly locked down with me owning the master account and not telling them what it is so they can't install, update or view hardly anything. Oh and I could access their computer at any point in time I would like when they are connected to the internet. ,br>
so far the only thing's I know about the OS are, It's Linux.
Not exactly something that makes me want to rush out and buy this "Computer", especially when doing a search for "Linux OS" returns about 4,560,000 results, and having tried to use linux on 5 seperate occasians I know there are atleast 10 different versions of a "Linux OS" with god knows how many more.
So far they have said it will be Linux and then showed off THEIR web browser (which makes me wonder if it will be possible to even install an alternate browser on this Linux) yet that is all.
So we are basically paying $600 (cause the $500 model is pointless) for a locked down, nonuseable "computer" with a Blu-Ray drive. wow, just makes me all giddy to get one (and I used to be someone who would be waiting in line (and i HATE waiting in lines) to get this thing, till they announced $600 as the price and hardly anything else about it after that).
I ment that second like to be as a joke. I realize most people on slashdot (Aka the ones with mod points) don't get jokes and sarcasm like everyone else in the world (aka people without modpoints).
restart the entire game over again becuase you are the idiot that did something you weren't supposed to BEFORE you activated the quest you had no clue was going to involve that creature!
I love how this looks on bethsadias part, they fuck up to rush a game out there instead of properly bug testing it (cause let's face it, some of these bugs are rather serious) and their responce ot everyone who has been enjoying the game only to find out the hours/weeks/months they just spent on the game are all flushed down the toilet because (like you said) you killed something you shouldn't of.
so basically here's what the F.A.Q.s or Troubleshooting should look like from nowo n with any game they release,
"Do not kill any creature you encounter when not on a spacific quest that tells you to kill said creature, It may cause the game to error and you will be unable to complete a quest further down the road."
"We realize this is an RPG and you gain levels by completing quests and fighting creatures, just be warned when you fight creatures it could cause irreversable harm to your game and you will have to restart the game."
"Be sure to save before you encounter a creature, in fact, Just save every single step you take. Better safe then sorry!"
"Lastly, don't bother playing this game till we release the next on in the series, by then everything SHOULD be taken care of and all the glitches in it SHOULD be taken care of. We make no promises though. Play at your own risk!"
I understand it's next to impossable to repair a save file, but to be unable to fix the game which in turn would fix the save file is rather suprising. there's only been a few games I have played where a patch rendered save files useless and they are usually in massive patch files that introduce new things to the game that the save file doesn't have. So I suppose my next question would be, How come the save file can't fix corrupted quests, yet it has absolutly no problem loading in mods that weren't in the game to begin with? all with their own quests aswell.
apple will still charge an arm and a leg for the i(ntel)Mac and just rake in a bigger profit margin from it.
I'd like to get one but when you can't build your own and all their "Pre-configured" models cost $1500 at the cheapest I just lose all intrest when I can build or even buy one (or three) for more then half that.
I didn't notice if they made mention of improving the graphics for these old games (much like mario All-Stars for the SNES when they updated all the games with better sprites).
I remember it either being a Rumor or Nintendo did actually confirm it for "Select" games.
Personally I would feel better paying $4.50 - $9 per game if I knew I was getting a "new" game, I don't want to pay $4.50 for Kid Icarus and it looks identical to the original NES version, I would like it if they left the game alone but updated the sprites of the game to be esthetically pleasing.
Normally graphics don't bother me but going back that far after playing GBA, 2D DS games and SNES games, opening up an NES game and playing it everything just seems to bland.
well you will be happy to know that thanks to Microsoft (they introduced it first so they get the firs blame) and Sony you won't have to worry about spending hours upon hours to unlock that car.
For the low low price of $5 you, yes YOU, can BUY THAT CAR! that's right, something that is free in the game and all you have to do is spend 3 hours without a break to get or spend $5 to buy that exact same car and it's unlocked for you!
You have to beat this one boss but your weapon isn't strong enough, Spend a couple bucks to buy a better one, it's that simple! Oblivion showed how out of hand it can get and they are paying for it now, a peice of horse armor cost $3 when it came out, it offered NOTHING to the game, just made the horse look pretty. now that they are releasing actuall CONTENT that adds to the game they have to charge far less then what they could be because they were greedy right out of the gate.
Cheat codes will soon be phased out in favor of you spending money you already had a hard enough time coming up with to get the damn system on buying shit that is already avalible in the game that you just don't have time to waste unlocking.
Before you mommy and daddy buy me everything asses chime in with your "IT'S NOT THAT HARD DUMBASS!" he said he has kids and a Wife, guess what? That means he has a house to pay for, car payments, insurance payments, food, entertainment for the kids, gas and so on, not like you sitting there letting mommy and daddy pay ALL your bills for you.
on the PS2 last time I counted (which was about a year ago) It was 10 games that were either Dual layer or needed 2 discs. Most of the Two Disc games were originally supposed to be Dual layer but the PS2 had a problem reading them correctly (either would take forever to load or would just freeze cause it couldn't read them properly).
The one that comes to mind right away is Star Ocean: Till the end of time. It's originally a DVD9 in Japan but it caused nothing but headaches for everyone, so when they translated it they made it two DVD5 discs and no problems were encountered. Xenosaga is another one, the original is on 1 DVD9 and the sequal is on two DVD5's., Champions of Norrath is another, the first one was a DVD9 while it's sequal was on two DVD5's.
with next generation though there won't be a need for the size of Blu-Ray or HD-DVD for quite a few years (that is of course unless developers decide to load up their disc(s) with 15 hours of uncompressed HD quality movies instead of just using in-game stuff ala GTA).
The Main reason Sony is pushing Blu-Ray only games is 2 fold, 1 is for the piracy issue. Games on DVD are easy to copy regardless of system but with BR drives costing $700 a pop people won't really rush out to spend that much on the drive & $40-60 per BR Disc just so they can copy games for the PS3, you just won't save money that way. and #2 is to help drive down production costs of the BR disc (you know they could get it down to $0.001 per disc and they will still charge us $40-$60 per disc).
N64, Dreamcast, Xbox, Gamecube all looked a lot better than PS1 and PS2 games. Dahahaha, and for the PS3 sony is trapped with Nvidiot. Nvidiot graphic cards are bad at antialiasing, it cost more FPS to use AA in nvidiot cards than in ATi. Xbox 360 the way to go!
Ok did you even read what you wrote? I'll bold it for you so you can fallow it
N64, Dreamcast, Xbox, Gamecube all looked a lot better than PS1 and PS2 games. Dahahaha, and for the PS3 sony is trapped with Nvidiot. Nvidiot graphic cards are bad at antialiasing, it cost more FPS to use AA in nvidiot cards than in ATi. Xbox 360 the way to go!
You do know the Xbox used one of those "Nvidiot" cards correct? so how can the Xbox have better graphics even though it uses an inferior card (going by your logic)? so your comment is moot cause you counterdict yourself.
of course the N64, Dreamcast, Xbox & gamecube look better then PS1, N64 was Nintendos console after the SNES, I would HOPE it's better. Plus you do know that the Play Station was supposed to be the Disc add-on for the SNES right? so Sony had a completed console on their hands but it couldn't work by itself, once Nintendo decided against it and then went to Phillips then cancled it all together Sony didn't want to waste all the R&D they used on making it, so they took it back fixed it up some and released it. Sega (wow here they are again) was releasing the saturn as a 2D powerhouse, once they found out sony was going for full 3D they shit their pants and quickly tried to rework the saturn, then released it months earlier then developers though thus dooming it to failure.
Xbox is an inferior product cause it uses an "Nvidiot" card, so I won't comment on it. (Hey, I'm just going by what you called it)
Already commented on the dreamcast.
Nintendo released the Gamecube, yet they still took a step behind everyone else, they used Mini-discs instead of DVD's, if they had used DVD's with the GC then it would of sold a lot better cause there would of been more support on the system, I won't deny that it's a great system though.
Once the Wii comes out I plan on getting one even though I know there won't be many games released for it either, Developers claim to love the controller idea but not one of them will get it till enough Nintendo games come out for it. Just like with the DS, when it was released everyone was quick to port N64 games to it (even nintendo) it wasn't untill some innovative games from Nintendo and 3 third parties came out that everyone started realizing what the system was capable of. just like the PSP, They ported tons of PS1 games to it then left it high and dry for months.
You shouldn't assume that I am getting a PS3, cause I'm not. $600 is to damn much and with games possibly costing $70 a pop they can go to hell for all I care.
Have fun wearing you "Sega-Enhancement" goggles that Sega issues to all you fanboys though. (See how fun it is to generalize you based on your comments?)
So what if they came out after the dreamcasts lifetime? almost every PS2 game came out after the Dreamcasts lifetime.
If the Dreamcast is such a graphical powerhouse then pick some games that match up to them in the dreamcasts lifetime, those are all games within the PS2's lifetime. It's not my fault if developers didn't want to continue support for the dreamcast, it's not my fault that Sega droped support of the dreamcast. Hell there are still games coming out for the system in Japan, they must be whomping the PS2 in graphical power.
Maybe if you Sega fanboys would pull your heads out of your ass you would realize it was sega themselves that ended the dreamcast, not Sony. Sega could of gone full force against the PS2, they could of made the dreamcast seem like the powerhouse you claim it to be, they could of gotten the develoeprs to support it, people to buy it, Did they? no, Once sony announced the PS2 they rolled over and gave up.
A year after the PS2 launched the price of the Dreamcast was slashed, Sega had no plans to continue support for it and just gave up. That isn't sony's fault, that's Sega's fault.
Actually it is a good question, Does it really run Linux?
Is it a REAL linux distro that Sony has made for the PS3 or is it a completly locked down worthless peice of crap that just happens to be running the linux kernal?
I haven't been able to find much of anything about the linux OS that will be used for the PS3, I've heard sony talk about their browser but will it be the only browser we can use? or can we install Firefox, Opera, Konquerer or any other number of Linux browsers?
The one interview a sony exec gave said they want the PS3 to replace the PC in the home (yeah, Microsoft said this about the 360 aswell before quickly changing their stance & Sony said the samething about the PS2) yet if the PS3 OS is locked down to the point you can't install ANYTHING at all then I don't see how that will work out to well for them.
ok find me a game that looks as good as MGS3, God of War, Gran Turismo 4, Dynasty Warriors 5, Fight Night Round 3, Final Fantasy XII.
I played quite a few Dreamcast game and yes they looked a hell of a lot better then what the PS2 offered for the first year, after that they were even with the 3rd year suprassing the dreamcast.
Everyone keeps blaming sony for the Dreamcasts downfall, yeah it was ALL sony, it had nothing to do with Sega deciding to stop support on it in the US, it had nothing to do with Sega trying to support 7 or 8 systems around the globe at the same time, it had nothing to do with the fact it was insanely easy to pirate games on it (you didn't have to modify the console in any way what so ever), Sega didn't really try to keep third party developers because the president that had taken over after the dreamcast launch didn't want Sega to stay in the console buisness cause they never made enough money for his liking.
Everyone blames sony for the dreamcasts downfall when in reality it was sega themselves, Sega never tried to make the dreamcast seem like a mighty console like Sony was doing, Once sony started talking about the PS2 that's when sega just rolled over and gave up on the dreamcast.
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Also from the article (referring to the ability to create "unencumbered digital tuners": "The entertainment companies do not like the flexibility of these home-built machines--or, more significant to them, the flexibility of the machines that consumer electronics manufacturers could offer under the current copyright law and its Betamax rule." WTF?, again?
you know, they way I read that is "People are getting to smart for our own good, we need to stop the spread of knowladge and the ability for people to build their own things".
How long will it be before the DMCA outlaws digital Cameras and camcorders? since you know, they are used for illegal activites and that FAR outweights the legal uses for them.
Remember kids, if you can use a program for even ONE illegal thing then be happy to know that the RIAA, MPAA & the US Government are working hard to take away your rights to use that program legally.
How do these web pages manage to be the only ones able to turn a "Top 5 list" into a 29 page thing. Five pages I would be fine with (one page for each perfectly understandable) but twenty nine pages long for 5 things?
Someone worked for either a lawfirm or the government to manage that.
Oh, and if a VHS gets scratched you can still watch it.
Drop a tape from a high spot, then drop a DVD from the same place. Try to play the tape when it's cracked and smashed, then try to play the dvd that has a couple of scratches that can be fixed.
or better yet scratch the DVD one time, and crumple the tape up, When you try to play the tape you will encounter a lot more damage then what you will with a DVD (and with the right stuff you can easilly fix the DVD).
now copy protection, that's where the real killer of a DVD will happen, cause it can read that scratch as an attempt of breaking the code and render it useless.
it already takes ages to burn off 4.4 gigs onto single layer dvd-rs.
The longest it has taken me to burn a 4.4gb disc with my new drive is 10 minutes. with my old drive (one from about year 2 of them offering DVD burners) it took about 15-20 minutes.
Has this world Really become that bad where 10-20 minutes is now considered Ages in terms of time?
Sure when the first Blu-Ray & HD-DVD burners show up (if they actually let them show up that is) they will burn at the usual 2-4x then as time goes on it will slowly increase in speed just like every burner and drive has.
The CD Burner on my old computer could only do 15x, the one on this computer is 25x, the Dual Layered DVD Drive I put in can burn CD's at 56x.
I seem to remember the Xbox droping price a year after release, I don't think six million people bought it in that time frame though.
before anyone starts, leave the "They only dropped the price because Sony dropped theirs" line in the gutter, NOTHING forced them to drop the price on the Xbox, they chose to drop the price.
Just like if Microsoft was to drop the price of the 360 this holiday (ain't going to happen since they know they have no worry from Sony (they could give a shit about Nintendo right now) with the $600 price point) Sony would have the choice of sticking with a $600 console or dropping it to match, nothing is forcing their hand (Hey a brand new Mercades Bens costs $300,000 but do they lower the price because a Corvette only costs $50,000?) and they can choose to drop the price or keep it where it's at.
Everyone keeps going on about how microsoft is doing good, yet no one sees the truth, Microsoft is in the EXACT same position Sony was in. This is their second console release and they are slowly getting cocky about it, they raised the price before anyone else did, made claims that aren't true (full backwards compatability with the $300 model anyone? there not being a HDD less version of the 360?) so I wouldn't be suprised if next generation Microsoft is doing exactly the samething that Sony is doing right now, Charging some outlandish price for their system, shoving in a ton of crap people could careless about and acting like they are doing us a favor in doing so.
Yet there will be Nintendo, releasing their next system for 1/3 of the other guys, releasing good fun quality games, yet still have the lamest excusse for not buying it "That's a kids system" yes, because as we all know enjoying a good quality game without blood, profanity or nudity is not having a fun time with a game.
And this is all coming from a Nintendo fanboy turned Sony fanboy slowling turning back into a Nintendo fanboy (It depends on if they can get more then 3 games a month to come out).
hell, the Wii over powers the Phantom at this point.
and the Phantom was supposed to be a Media Center PC that could play PC games.
I think they realized and just forgot to mention that it would be impossable to do. The system would be out of date within 2 years and they would have to constently re-write firmware to fit with the new cards, ram ect.
then of course you have the OS for the system, if it's supposed to run PC games they would have to use Windows for full compatability right? cause not to many people would be pleased to spend $50 on a game, bring it home only to find out they can't install it cause they have a different OS type (even with Wine and other Linux apps it still takes time for them to make it compatable) so naturally they have to Lisence Windows from microsoft. They probably said No to that and then the Phantom died but the money kept rolling on in.
I was looking forward to it to, To bad because of this I won't buy anything from them.
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Did it also say in the interview that is how you will be saving GAMES? cause everything I have read that is it's MAIN function, you won't be able to use a memory card with your GAME saves on it cause they won't be included, but if you have way of transfering saves from the PS1 or 2 and then putting them on to one of the multiformat cards (notice I said that, no wheres did I say Digital Camera Card, they can be used for more then just cameras) and then into the system you can resume them like normal.
You awnsered your own question, if you are playing MOVIES then they add up in space. an average movie is 1 hour 30 minutes in length, just out putting it in an AVI format will result in a 700mb-2gb file (depending on quality), you do the uncompressed MPEG format and you are talking 2gb-4gb for the MOVIE. That adds up really fast. Then with the GAMES it all depends on the developer and how many GAMES you have. look at Battlefeild 2 for the PS2, the updates for it are ALWAYS over 100mb (the two I grabbed clocked in at 400mb for one and 300mb for the other, so that's 700mb gone right there) so you get the updates of that size, addons of that size (if the marketplace takes off and they start offering full games for download ala steam then that hdd will fill up extremly fast for some).
I have no problem running a cable, it's what I normally do, yet not everyone is the same, some would like to have the wireless instead of wired either because they are in a room to far away from the modem and they don't exactly want 300ft of ethernet cord running through their house just so they can play their system online.
I could honestly careless about HDMI but guess what? our opinions on it don't matter. Movies have been dictated that they will only run in HD if they are connected to HDMI, if you use any other way to connect you will not get HD quality video from them, why not get rid of the ethernet port on it aswell? not everyone in the US has broadband, that should knock off another $50 on the price. Take out the HDD in it and we got a ssytem smack dab in the middle of the 360 in terms of price.
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If apple bought them we would see Nintendo consoles become the most expensive on the market, wouldn't be as powerfull as the other consoles, not have many games...wait, the last two are where they are at now in the home console market...Maybe Apple already bought a big stake in them?
God help us when it comes to the handhelds to. It would make the PSP look like an orgasmic celebration. We would get the mandatory iPod right form the start so there's $300 for it before we get to games, then you add in the game playing ability (and who want's that from Apple? they aren't about games, it's about fashion statements and buisness) which would be massivly underutalized because there isn't enough space in programing for it.
I always find these things funny, they never seem to remember that Nintendo owns a shitload more then just games. It would cost billions to buy Nintendo since they most of the reckonizable IP's.
oh they are turning on the ICT Flag, they said that after 2 years (when they figure stand alone players will be much cheaper) they would be turning it on (which in itself is stupid).
I understand that the $500 console is a full console but when you compare it to the one $100 more it looks like a complete ripoff.
The $600 includes wireless, 60gb hdd, HDMI & multiformat card reader out of the box.
The $500 version doesn't have wireless, HDMI or multiformat card reader (last I read) out of the box and it has a 20gb hdd out of the box.
To upgrade to the same features as the $600 console, first off is impossable since you can't add an HDMI port to the system, secondly the Wireless kit could cost anywheres from $30 (going with the DS Thumbdrive thing) to $100 (Xbox 360 wireless adapter) so right there one component could cost the same ammount as the "Delux" PS3, then you add in the 60gb hdd which could range anywheres from $70-$150 (depends on how they are feeling at the time) so to just get two features you are at the same price or well over what the other one has out of the box for $100 more.
the 360 is the same way, the $300 core model seems nice till you start adding on the stuff that comes in the premium model out of the box.
The 20gb hdd is $100 so right there you are at the premium model, then you have the Wireless controller $50, Headset $20, component cables $40, Ethernet cable (since it varies in price and I couldn't find how long the cable was I don't want to guess).
So to just get the core model to have the same things in the Premium model (that are out of the box) you pay an extra $210+ for the same things that would cost you $100 more.
So that's why I say the less featured model is pointless in the long run, with the PS3 it's more so if you are thinking of getting a cheap blu-ray player (as they point out) since it will only be good for two years before only the delux model will be able to do it, Sony might continue making blu-ray movies ignore the flag but at some point they will enable it regardless if the $500 model is outselling the $600 model 10 to 1, you have to remember the MPAA factor in it (hell if the RIAA can threaten to keep a country out of the WTO then the MPAA can make the $500 PS3 useless as a cheap blu-ray player in a heart beat..then of course cost sony millions (if no billions) in fines for false advertising and god knows what else.)
,br> if it's just games you are after and could careless about the supposed linux OS, media player capabilitys (cause 20gb can fill up REAL fast) and it being your blu-ray player then yeah the $500 model is perfect since games (hopefully) won't require the HDMI connection in order to play games.
well it's just like the Xbox 360, The $300 model is pointless (granted not as pointless as the PS3 core model) cause it lacks the hard drive, which costs $100 to get just like the Premium model (which comes with 4 extra things).
The reason I don't count the lower end model is because it's better to get everything up front, Sony Claims that blu-ray movies will play fine over component on the PS3 for the first couple of years then it will be mandatory that they use the HDMI connection for true HD viewing (otherwise they are no better then DVD, thus rendering Blu-Ray useless at that point) so it renders the lower end model pointless at that point.
And Yes, I would be saying the samething if Nintendo was releasing two consoles (one at $300 and one at $200) the one that had more abilitys would be the true console while the lower end one would suffer in some way. Now the PS3 doesn't since the only thing the HDMI would be required for (atleast for the time being) would be the Blu-Ray movies cause I don't think Game makers would be that stupid to require you to have a certain type of connection in order to play their game.
that's pretty much what a QA tester does.
only it's not supposed to be randomly. They play through the game like a normal person would, when they encounter something they find strange they will do it multipule times to see if it comes up again or if it's just a completly random thing (some stuff you just can't program out).
But they usually go through a certain section (since this game is so huge they have multipule people doing different points of the game) and they play it normally just to make sure, then they do weird things to try and break the game and let them know what they find out so the programers will know if it's indeed a bug or just a random occurance of programing.
but to have a Quest fail because you do Step 2 before Step 1 I would say is a big bug that shouldn't of made it out of QA Testing, programing or any other form. Then the ability to not restart the quest clean if you already saved is pretty damn bad.
Who knows, maybe this will piss off enough people that the next patch will give you the ability to restart a quest and it resets the world so that quest will be working again (easy fix for the exploit that would fallow even though it's single player and wouldn't matter would be to not reset experiance and items the creatures would give.)
So now they are saying it's a Computer to explain the price. Ok I can understand that.
What I still can't understand is why they refuse to talk about the OS in it. if they plan for it to be a "Computer" then how are they going to pull it off with a closed OS?
I've only heard them say "It will come preinstalled with Linux!" well big woop there, I could sell PC's preinstalled with linux, doesn't mean people will want to buy it if they find out that Linux is completly locked down with me owning the master account and not telling them what it is so they can't install, update or view hardly anything. Oh and I could access their computer at any point in time I would like when they are connected to the internet.
,br> so far the only thing's I know about the OS are, It's Linux.
Not exactly something that makes me want to rush out and buy this "Computer", especially when doing a search for "Linux OS" returns about 4,560,000 results, and having tried to use linux on 5 seperate occasians I know there are atleast 10 different versions of a "Linux OS" with god knows how many more.
So far they have said it will be Linux and then showed off THEIR web browser (which makes me wonder if it will be possible to even install an alternate browser on this Linux) yet that is all.
So we are basically paying $600 (cause the $500 model is pointless) for a locked down, nonuseable "computer" with a Blu-Ray drive. wow, just makes me all giddy to get one (and I used to be someone who would be waiting in line (and i HATE waiting in lines) to get this thing, till they announced $600 as the price and hardly anything else about it after that).
I ment that second like to be as a joke. I realize most people on slashdot (Aka the ones with mod points) don't get jokes and sarcasm like everyone else in the world (aka people without modpoints).
pretty much do what Bethsadia said.
restart the entire game over again becuase you are the idiot that did something you weren't supposed to BEFORE you activated the quest you had no clue was going to involve that creature!
I love how this looks on bethsadias part, they fuck up to rush a game out there instead of properly bug testing it (cause let's face it, some of these bugs are rather serious) and their responce ot everyone who has been enjoying the game only to find out the hours/weeks/months they just spent on the game are all flushed down the toilet because (like you said) you killed something you shouldn't of.
so basically here's what the F.A.Q.s or Troubleshooting should look like from nowo n with any game they release,
"Do not kill any creature you encounter when not on a spacific quest that tells you to kill said creature, It may cause the game to error and you will be unable to complete a quest further down the road."
"We realize this is an RPG and you gain levels by completing quests and fighting creatures, just be warned when you fight creatures it could cause irreversable harm to your game and you will have to restart the game."
"Be sure to save before you encounter a creature, in fact, Just save every single step you take. Better safe then sorry!"
"Lastly, don't bother playing this game till we release the next on in the series, by then everything SHOULD be taken care of and all the glitches in it SHOULD be taken care of. We make no promises though. Play at your own risk!"
I understand it's next to impossable to repair a save file, but to be unable to fix the game which in turn would fix the save file is rather suprising. there's only been a few games I have played where a patch rendered save files useless and they are usually in massive patch files that introduce new things to the game that the save file doesn't have. So I suppose my next question would be, How come the save file can't fix corrupted quests, yet it has absolutly no problem loading in mods that weren't in the game to begin with? all with their own quests aswell.
For Apple to make? Yes.
For you to buy? no.
apple will still charge an arm and a leg for the i(ntel)Mac and just rake in a bigger profit margin from it.
I'd like to get one but when you can't build your own and all their "Pre-configured" models cost $1500 at the cheapest I just lose all intrest when I can build or even buy one (or three) for more then half that.
I didn't notice if they made mention of improving the graphics for these old games (much like mario All-Stars for the SNES when they updated all the games with better sprites).
I remember it either being a Rumor or Nintendo did actually confirm it for "Select" games.
Personally I would feel better paying $4.50 - $9 per game if I knew I was getting a "new" game, I don't want to pay $4.50 for Kid Icarus and it looks identical to the original NES version, I would like it if they left the game alone but updated the sprites of the game to be esthetically pleasing.
Normally graphics don't bother me but going back that far after playing GBA, 2D DS games and SNES games, opening up an NES game and playing it everything just seems to bland.
well you will be happy to know that thanks to Microsoft (they introduced it first so they get the firs blame) and Sony you won't have to worry about spending hours upon hours to unlock that car.
For the low low price of $5 you, yes YOU, can BUY THAT CAR! that's right, something that is free in the game and all you have to do is spend 3 hours without a break to get or spend $5 to buy that exact same car and it's unlocked for you!
You have to beat this one boss but your weapon isn't strong enough, Spend a couple bucks to buy a better one, it's that simple! Oblivion showed how out of hand it can get and they are paying for it now, a peice of horse armor cost $3 when it came out, it offered NOTHING to the game, just made the horse look pretty. now that they are releasing actuall CONTENT that adds to the game they have to charge far less then what they could be because they were greedy right out of the gate.
Cheat codes will soon be phased out in favor of you spending money you already had a hard enough time coming up with to get the damn system on buying shit that is already avalible in the game that you just don't have time to waste unlocking.
Before you mommy and daddy buy me everything asses chime in with your "IT'S NOT THAT HARD DUMBASS!" he said he has kids and a Wife, guess what? That means he has a house to pay for, car payments, insurance payments, food, entertainment for the kids, gas and so on, not like you sitting there letting mommy and daddy pay ALL your bills for you.
on the PS2 last time I counted (which was about a year ago) It was 10 games that were either Dual layer or needed 2 discs. Most of the Two Disc games were originally supposed to be Dual layer but the PS2 had a problem reading them correctly (either would take forever to load or would just freeze cause it couldn't read them properly).
The one that comes to mind right away is Star Ocean: Till the end of time. It's originally a DVD9 in Japan but it caused nothing but headaches for everyone, so when they translated it they made it two DVD5 discs and no problems were encountered. Xenosaga is another one, the original is on 1 DVD9 and the sequal is on two DVD5's., Champions of Norrath is another, the first one was a DVD9 while it's sequal was on two DVD5's.
with next generation though there won't be a need for the size of Blu-Ray or HD-DVD for quite a few years (that is of course unless developers decide to load up their disc(s) with 15 hours of uncompressed HD quality movies instead of just using in-game stuff ala GTA).
The Main reason Sony is pushing Blu-Ray only games is 2 fold, 1 is for the piracy issue. Games on DVD are easy to copy regardless of system but with BR drives costing $700 a pop people won't really rush out to spend that much on the drive & $40-60 per BR Disc just so they can copy games for the PS3, you just won't save money that way. and #2 is to help drive down production costs of the BR disc (you know they could get it down to $0.001 per disc and they will still charge us $40-$60 per disc).
Ok did you even read what you wrote? I'll bold it for you so you can fallow it
You do know the Xbox used one of those "Nvidiot" cards correct? so how can the Xbox have better graphics even though it uses an inferior card (going by your logic)? so your comment is moot cause you counterdict yourself.
of course the N64, Dreamcast, Xbox & gamecube look better then PS1, N64 was Nintendos console after the SNES, I would HOPE it's better. Plus you do know that the Play Station was supposed to be the Disc add-on for the SNES right? so Sony had a completed console on their hands but it couldn't work by itself, once Nintendo decided against it and then went to Phillips then cancled it all together Sony didn't want to waste all the R&D they used on making it, so they took it back fixed it up some and released it. Sega (wow here they are again) was releasing the saturn as a 2D powerhouse, once they found out sony was going for full 3D they shit their pants and quickly tried to rework the saturn, then released it months earlier then developers though thus dooming it to failure.
Xbox is an inferior product cause it uses an "Nvidiot" card, so I won't comment on it. (Hey, I'm just going by what you called it)
Already commented on the dreamcast.
Nintendo released the Gamecube, yet they still took a step behind everyone else, they used Mini-discs instead of DVD's, if they had used DVD's with the GC then it would of sold a lot better cause there would of been more support on the system, I won't deny that it's a great system though.
Once the Wii comes out I plan on getting one even though I know there won't be many games released for it either, Developers claim to love the controller idea but not one of them will get it till enough Nintendo games come out for it. Just like with the DS, when it was released everyone was quick to port N64 games to it (even nintendo) it wasn't untill some innovative games from Nintendo and 3 third parties came out that everyone started realizing what the system was capable of. just like the PSP, They ported tons of PS1 games to it then left it high and dry for months.
You shouldn't assume that I am getting a PS3, cause I'm not. $600 is to damn much and with games possibly costing $70 a pop they can go to hell for all I care.
Have fun wearing you "Sega-Enhancement" goggles that Sega issues to all you fanboys though. (See how fun it is to generalize you based on your comments?) So what if they came out after the dreamcasts lifetime? almost every PS2 game came out after the Dreamcasts lifetime.
If the Dreamcast is such a graphical powerhouse then pick some games that match up to them in the dreamcasts lifetime, those are all games within the PS2's lifetime. It's not my fault if developers didn't want to continue support for the dreamcast, it's not my fault that Sega droped support of the dreamcast. Hell there are still games coming out for the system in Japan, they must be whomping the PS2 in graphical power.
Maybe if you Sega fanboys would pull your heads out of your ass you would realize it was sega themselves that ended the dreamcast, not Sony. Sega could of gone full force against the PS2, they could of made the dreamcast seem like the powerhouse you claim it to be, they could of gotten the develoeprs to support it, people to buy it, Did they? no, Once sony announced the PS2 they rolled over and gave up.
A year after the PS2 launched the price of the Dreamcast was slashed, Sega had no plans to continue support for it and just gave up. That isn't sony's fault, that's Sega's fault.
Yeah, but does it run linux...oh, nevermind
Actually it is a good question, Does it really run Linux?
Is it a REAL linux distro that Sony has made for the PS3 or is it a completly locked down worthless peice of crap that just happens to be running the linux kernal?
I haven't been able to find much of anything about the linux OS that will be used for the PS3, I've heard sony talk about their browser but will it be the only browser we can use? or can we install Firefox, Opera, Konquerer or any other number of Linux browsers?
The one interview a sony exec gave said they want the PS3 to replace the PC in the home (yeah, Microsoft said this about the 360 aswell before quickly changing their stance & Sony said the samething about the PS2) yet if the PS3 OS is locked down to the point you can't install ANYTHING at all then I don't see how that will work out to well for them.
I'm so tired of that argument.
The Dreamcast had better graphics!
ok find me a game that looks as good as MGS3, God of War, Gran Turismo 4, Dynasty Warriors 5, Fight Night Round 3, Final Fantasy XII.
I played quite a few Dreamcast game and yes they looked a hell of a lot better then what the PS2 offered for the first year, after that they were even with the 3rd year suprassing the dreamcast.
Everyone keeps blaming sony for the Dreamcasts downfall, yeah it was ALL sony, it had nothing to do with Sega deciding to stop support on it in the US, it had nothing to do with Sega trying to support 7 or 8 systems around the globe at the same time, it had nothing to do with the fact it was insanely easy to pirate games on it (you didn't have to modify the console in any way what so ever), Sega didn't really try to keep third party developers because the president that had taken over after the dreamcast launch didn't want Sega to stay in the console buisness cause they never made enough money for his liking.
Everyone blames sony for the dreamcasts downfall when in reality it was sega themselves, Sega never tried to make the dreamcast seem like a mighty console like Sony was doing, Once sony started talking about the PS2 that's when sega just rolled over and gave up on the dreamcast.
Also from the article (referring to the ability to create "unencumbered digital tuners": "The entertainment companies do not like the flexibility of these home-built machines--or, more significant to them, the flexibility of the machines that consumer electronics manufacturers could offer under the current copyright law and its Betamax rule." WTF?, again?
you know, they way I read that is "People are getting to smart for our own good, we need to stop the spread of knowladge and the ability for people to build their own things".
How long will it be before the DMCA outlaws digital Cameras and camcorders? since you know, they are used for illegal activites and that FAR outweights the legal uses for them.
Remember kids, if you can use a program for even ONE illegal thing then be happy to know that the RIAA, MPAA & the US Government are working hard to take away your rights to use that program legally.
Beer and Porn.
One group is working on a robot that can dispense beer, the other is trying ot make a robot that looks like a human in every way.
wait till these two meet up and we get a Sex Robot that dispenses beer for you, there wouldn't be a reason to go to a bar ever again.
if anything that's what next gen FPS' have taught us.
They just don't have the power to handle a flashlight and everything else at the same time.
that's the first thing I thought when I saw that.
How do these web pages manage to be the only ones able to turn a "Top 5 list" into a 29 page thing. Five pages I would be fine with (one page for each perfectly understandable) but twenty nine pages long for 5 things?
Someone worked for either a lawfirm or the government to manage that.
Oh, and if a VHS gets scratched you can still watch it.
Drop a tape from a high spot, then drop a DVD from the same place. Try to play the tape when it's cracked and smashed, then try to play the dvd that has a couple of scratches that can be fixed.
or better yet scratch the DVD one time, and crumple the tape up, When you try to play the tape you will encounter a lot more damage then what you will with a DVD (and with the right stuff you can easilly fix the DVD).
now copy protection, that's where the real killer of a DVD will happen, cause it can read that scratch as an attempt of breaking the code and render it useless.
it already takes ages to burn off 4.4 gigs onto single layer dvd-rs.
The longest it has taken me to burn a 4.4gb disc with my new drive is 10 minutes. with my old drive (one from about year 2 of them offering DVD burners) it took about 15-20 minutes.
Has this world Really become that bad where 10-20 minutes is now considered Ages in terms of time?
Sure when the first Blu-Ray & HD-DVD burners show up (if they actually let them show up that is) they will burn at the usual 2-4x then as time goes on it will slowly increase in speed just like every burner and drive has.
The CD Burner on my old computer could only do 15x, the one on this computer is 25x, the Dual Layered DVD Drive I put in can burn CD's at 56x.
I seem to remember the Xbox droping price a year after release, I don't think six million people bought it in that time frame though.
before anyone starts, leave the "They only dropped the price because Sony dropped theirs" line in the gutter, NOTHING forced them to drop the price on the Xbox, they chose to drop the price.
Just like if Microsoft was to drop the price of the 360 this holiday (ain't going to happen since they know they have no worry from Sony (they could give a shit about Nintendo right now) with the $600 price point) Sony would have the choice of sticking with a $600 console or dropping it to match, nothing is forcing their hand (Hey a brand new Mercades Bens costs $300,000 but do they lower the price because a Corvette only costs $50,000?) and they can choose to drop the price or keep it where it's at.
Everyone keeps going on about how microsoft is doing good, yet no one sees the truth, Microsoft is in the EXACT same position Sony was in. This is their second console release and they are slowly getting cocky about it, they raised the price before anyone else did, made claims that aren't true (full backwards compatability with the $300 model anyone? there not being a HDD less version of the 360?) so I wouldn't be suprised if next generation Microsoft is doing exactly the samething that Sony is doing right now, Charging some outlandish price for their system, shoving in a ton of crap people could careless about and acting like they are doing us a favor in doing so.
Yet there will be Nintendo, releasing their next system for 1/3 of the other guys, releasing good fun quality games, yet still have the lamest excusse for not buying it "That's a kids system" yes, because as we all know enjoying a good quality game without blood, profanity or nudity is not having a fun time with a game.
And this is all coming from a Nintendo fanboy turned Sony fanboy slowling turning back into a Nintendo fanboy (It depends on if they can get more then 3 games a month to come out).
Then what was with the major downtime just before the 360 launch?
They never bothered to update Xbox live for the 360?
hell, the Wii over powers the Phantom at this point.
and the Phantom was supposed to be a Media Center PC that could play PC games.
I think they realized and just forgot to mention that it would be impossable to do. The system would be out of date within 2 years and they would have to constently re-write firmware to fit with the new cards, ram ect.
then of course you have the OS for the system, if it's supposed to run PC games they would have to use Windows for full compatability right? cause not to many people would be pleased to spend $50 on a game, bring it home only to find out they can't install it cause they have a different OS type (even with Wine and other Linux apps it still takes time for them to make it compatable) so naturally they have to Lisence Windows from microsoft. They probably said No to that and then the Phantom died but the money kept rolling on in.
I was looking forward to it to, To bad because of this I won't buy anything from them.