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He's got a point. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out what an iPod costs to make, within a margin of error, of course.
The only problem is I have seen these people "Analyize" what it cost to make something and be so far off that a margin of error is the size of a small country.
The 360 costs microsoft something like $800 to make, according to one analysist, another says it's only $600, one says the HDD model costs them $300 while the $300 model costs $200.
PS3 samething, it started off it only costs Sony $600 to make the system, then it jumped to $1000 to make it. No reason was given for the sudden jump in price either. ,br>
haven't heard much about the Wii in terms of how much it costs nintendo to make one, but I am sure given the right analyst they could come up with $50 all the way up to $500 to make a Wii.
You take your base number, in this case let's say 4 PC's out of the 25 they have are filled with pirated material.
but to the consumer and everyone with a brain that number is pathetic, so you have to make the numbers match up. so you turn 4 PC's into 24 magically.
Now you are getting some wheres but the number is still to low, how do we fix this? you do what Agent Bender did for Leela, Add a one and two zero's in front of it and we got a deal.
Suddenly 4 PC's have become 10,024 PC's filled with pirated material and your "organization" looks good in front of people who throw more money at you and your numbers look nice and big.
So remember, any number they come up with is grossly exenterated so they can get more money from software companies.
blu-ray can play movies from Japan and the USA when it's released in those countrys (Region 1), but neither can play the PAL format (Region 2) or any other country's (Region 3-5)
as for HD-DVD last I had heard is it was exactly like DVD in everyway just bigger, so we would still have the exact same region codings as we have now.
When they said "You never had a single nuclear war" they were refering to people in the 21st century/Fry's time (80's - when he got frozen in 99), if anything they continuity error would be that his house was in the same condition in the year 3000 as it was in the year 2000.
Plus it's a cartoon, there's more leverage in them cause they work on getting that joke across but if they were to do it then it would cause problems for an earlier episode. ,br>
They might of found data later to, Remember the second (or was it third?) coming of Jesus wipped out a lot of optical media.
someone from Nintendo did say at E3 (so for all we know it was someone working at one of the booths for E3 and that was it) that Nintendo was looking into the possability of updating the classic games with enhanced graphics and sound.
They never said if it would be all games or just ones that did well in the past (Mario Brothers, Zelda, Metroid, though with some they could just port the GBA versions to the Wii since it would already be done.) I'm sure they will do like you said, At first they will upgrade some but also release the originals (with a controll upgrade to fit the Wii-mote) and see which ones sell better and go from there.
you forgot about (D) Possible backlash and bad PR from not issuing a recall.
Sure 10 people get hurt by the computer and you settle out of court with 9 of them, the 10th one doesn't want money they want to know why it failed.
It trickles along untill the media needs a story cause it's a slow news day, they find it and blow it out of perportion, suddenly you have 50 other people showing up claiming they got hurt by your computer (even though they never owned one or they own a different company's but hey, that's technicalitys), you get a big class action lawsuit against you now. Suddenly those little settlements become one big settlement for everyone who has your computer.
Then you have to get someone to do the corral the negative PR that is happening against your company, so you only had 10 reported cases of a machine blowing up, one just wanted to know why it wasn't thought of somewheres before hitting retail and 59 (not doing actual numbers because it would be in the thousands, cause where there is money to be made by doing nothing, people will show up and want a peice of that pie) others want money from your company and you are now out of a job.
Sure this is just one computer but now the questions will slowly start happening,
First step: Deny Deny Deny, Your company did nothing wrong.
Second Step: Claim it was the users fault, They weren't using the proper power supply/battery for the notebook, it's not the companies fault.
Third Step: Claim it's a small problem, Your company is presented with proof it was their fault it happened so now it's time to claim that it's a small isolated problem and out of the millions you have sold worldwide there is only the one.
Fourth step: People see the chance to make money, Now you have people coming out claiming it happened to them and naturally they have no proof cause they got rid of the notebook since it "Blew up and no longer worked!" and then a lawyer sees a chance to make a name for him/herself and make some nice change from it. Time to issue a recall on all of them regardless.
Atleast that's how it works in the USA, not sure if other people are quick to think "10 problems around the world = EVERYTHING done by this company is flawed so I should get paid for not even being a part of it!".
IF Nintendo sticks to what they were talking about, each Nintendo game avalible for download on there will be upgraded aswell.
If you ever played them, think of Super Mario All-stars on the SNES or the Super Mario Advance titles on the GBA, updated sprites, updated sounds maybe even some improvments and changes to stages just so it feels new.
The one's on XBLA are just ports of arcade versions to the xbox with online play added, that's it.
Now as I said, that's IF Nintendo does what they said they are planning on doing.
Uh, since when do roman numerals count as "weird shit"? Since the No Child Left Behind act?
yes, cause Roman Numerals aren't AMERICAN! they are from those terrorists the Romans! thinking they can take over out country by walking across a border then bombing everything in site! DEATH TO THE ROMANS! DEATH TO THE NUMERALS! We must teach our children to not think or form opinions!
That man can take something simple and span it over 50 pages. I wonder if Tom is actually an old man, you know the kind. They forget wha they are talking about and ramble on about everything that has happened to them in their life and end with something completly different then when they started.
Aside from Blu-Ray & DVD what else do they support?
I don't have an HDTV (I'd like to get once but it just isn't happening right now) so neither HD-DVD or Blu-Ray really intrest me cause I will get the same picture as my dvd's right now, big woop there.
I have two DVD players right now that can play DVD, AVI (DivX & Xvid), pictures and MP3's. I don't see it listed for either player that it can play these formats.
also the reason they cost a grand each is because they play in 1080p mode and upconvert to 1080p (why you would want to see a 720p video upconverted to 1080 I dunno but it can), HD-DVD players don't do that yet (atleast not the $500 models they go to 1080i).
That's the thing I look for when buying a player though is how many formats it can play. If it's a recordable kind I make sure it supports both + & - formats so I don't have to go to a store and try to remember which ones my drive can take, I look for whatever is on sale (since you can usually get 100 discs for the price of 50 at staples every other week). It's nice to know that when I have a home theater system I can use one player to do all the work, I can pop in an MP3 CD and it will play, pop in stuff I have downloaded and it will play, pop in a DVD and it will play, all without having to hook up another player.
So in the end, we will be waiting the same length as we would if Valve were to just go ahead and make a full length sequal to HL2 (which they recently admitted HL2: E is actually HL3) but in the form of 3 episodes at $20 a pop.
I got episode 1 and enjoyed it till the ending, it left me wanting more but as time has gone on I have started caring less and less. I'll end up getting EP2 when it's released as I will ep3 but I Might just wait till all 3 episodes are out before I do.
I knew Episodic content was a bad idea from the moment they announced it. They charge way to much for such a short game, they wait far to long to come out with new episodes (when is the next of 10 SiN episodes supposed to come out?) and charge the same ammount for each episode which is rediculas.
It would work if they completed the game all the way through, charged $5 per episode (can start with $10 or $20 depending on length for the first episode since it hold the core of everything) and released them each week like real episodes then it would work better. cause then in the end the game becomes $50 which everyone is used to (360 versions are $60 since that is what they are used to). ,br>
but if it's going to take 3 years for 3 episodes to come out then it's not going to work well (and I feel sorry for the ones who are into SiN, cause they will be waiting 10 years for closer on it).
most games have yet to take advantage of this. I think you'll see more titles use it in the future.
all 4 years of it? or will they decide that 4 is far to long for the system and knock it down to 3 years? then the one after that would be 2 untill we are buying a new console every single year!:P
One gold farming operation in Chongqing in central China with 23 gold farmers was reported to pay its employees the equivalent of about 75 U.S. dollars per month
just think, if that was in the US then they would of all been laid off with their jobs going to india where they could pay EVERYONE involved for the total of $75 usd instead of just each person getting $75 a month.
there's a rabbid Starcraft & Diablo fanbase out there.
I'm sure some are only playing WOW because there is no WOS or WOD but I am will to bet that there are even more NOT playing WOW because Warcraft does not intrest them, yet if they were to release WOS then they would see more people playing (I know I would jump at it) same with WOD, not everyone likes warcraft (I don't cause it's set in the past like EVERYTHING) so they don't bother with WOW.
so if I could play WOS as a Zerg, Terran or Protoss (or even a fourth race) you bet your ass I would be playing that game ever day, since they wouldn't be based on one single planet the possabilitys are endless, but there in lies the problem with it to. They would have to come up with a bunch of planets, ways to travel to them (mother ships were the only way) what you could controll (the Protoss motherships would be weird since it has a ton of little fighters in it) and how the war would work (since everyone seems to hate the zerg but the terran was pissing the protoss off). Then you have what you would fight, would there be computer controlled zerglings? Marines? Zealots?
Star Wars Galaxies had tons of planets to visit but most of them just seemed empty and pointless, with not a whole lot to fight or do (I got tired of fighting rats non stop, That does not immerse you into the universe when you fight fucking rats).
at this point I would be happy with Starcraft 2, but they probably moved everyone from the starcraft and diablo teams to help with WOW which sucks.
There has been plenty of instances of highly technical legislation going through congress before, and speeches were they discussed the issues in rational and accurate terms. You can't claim many of those same people went stupid all of a sudden.
Yes only problem is they do go stupid all of a sudden, we've had senators pass stuff then later admit they had no clue what it is they passed or what it ment to anything. Also, All to often they admit to passing something without ever reading the proposal or having it read to them so for all they know they could be passing into law outlawing being jewish and they wouldn't know it till someone who actually read the damn thing points it out. Now they can backtrack and play stupid about not knowing that was in there but then it shows that they don't even care what laws are passed cause they don't even read this stuff.
Look at what happened after 9/11. When congress came back, bill after bill after bill was passed without the blink of an eye, a good chunk of what was passed had nothing to do with terrorism or protection, It was laws that had been sitting around waiting to get passed, when they couldn't get passed on their own they got tacked onto a terrorism bill and poof! it got passed in a hurry.
> "How do you know it's a DMCA?"
> "It's got shit all over it."
> "Well I didn't vote for it."
Bloody peasant.
You don't vote for the DMCA.
Well sure you don't vote for it in the normal sence.
If you pay taxes you are voting for it though (just read the summary, everything these lobbyists are doing is on the tax payers dime not their own).
Is the generic idea of outsourcing wrong? That's just capitalism, people. In a free market, companies are allowed to maximise their own profitability and they can do this by outsourcing. If we trust free market principles, it turns out that such behaviour is in the long term in fact the best for everyone - outsourcing ventures are only successful if they achieve the right balance and provide good service for reduced costs. I'd trust that the company's execs thought a bit harder and made more careful studies than you have in the 5 minute interval between reading and replying. If this messes up, it would hurt *them* most. The fact that outsourcing is most profitable is a problem for politicians to deal with, not for individual banks to decide. And like patriotic fervour ever factors into an employee's loyalty.
and what happens when all the jobs have been outsourced? how exactly does that benafit the companies that outsourced all their jobs to india when no one in america can use their services anymore?
They have no job, no job equals no income, no income means they can't buy anything or have a bank account, not buying anything or having a bank account hurts the company, the company ends up closing because no one has a job because everything they trained for and have the best skills for has been outsourced to other country's.
But hey, if a company can save $10,000 a month and never pass on the savings to it's customers and their CEO can retire with $170 million because he's a good bullshitter and wormed his way to the top, then who gives a shit right?
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The 360 costs microsoft something like $800 to make, according to one analysist, another says it's only $600, one says the HDD model costs them $300 while the $300 model costs $200.
PS3 samething, it started off it only costs Sony $600 to make the system, then it jumped to $1000 to make it. No reason was given for the sudden jump in price either.
,br> haven't heard much about the Wii in terms of how much it costs nintendo to make one, but I am sure given the right analyst they could come up with $50 all the way up to $500 to make a Wii.
because it's an interesting story?
The ones submitting it to digg weren't paying them?
the ones in charge of submissions got busted for helping their friends more then actually letting people submit story's?
to figure out their figures this is how you do it
You take your base number, in this case let's say 4 PC's out of the 25 they have are filled with pirated material.
but to the consumer and everyone with a brain that number is pathetic, so you have to make the numbers match up. so you turn 4 PC's into 24 magically.
Now you are getting some wheres but the number is still to low, how do we fix this? you do what Agent Bender did for Leela, Add a one and two zero's in front of it and we got a deal.
Suddenly 4 PC's have become 10,024 PC's filled with pirated material and your "organization" looks good in front of people who throw more money at you and your numbers look nice and big.
So remember, any number they come up with is grossly exenterated so they can get more money from software companies.
since when?
blu-ray can play movies from Japan and the USA when it's released in those countrys (Region 1), but neither can play the PAL format (Region 2) or any other country's (Region 3-5)
as for HD-DVD last I had heard is it was exactly like DVD in everyway just bigger, so we would still have the exact same region codings as we have now.
that's not really a continuity error.
When they said "You never had a single nuclear war" they were refering to people in the 21st century/Fry's time (80's - when he got frozen in 99), if anything they continuity error would be that his house was in the same condition in the year 3000 as it was in the year 2000.
Plus it's a cartoon, there's more leverage in them cause they work on getting that joke across but if they were to do it then it would cause problems for an earlier episode.
,br> They might of found data later to, Remember the second (or was it third?) coming of Jesus wipped out a lot of optical media.
yeah I keep forgetting that.
someone from Nintendo did say at E3 (so for all we know it was someone working at one of the booths for E3 and that was it) that Nintendo was looking into the possability of updating the classic games with enhanced graphics and sound.
They never said if it would be all games or just ones that did well in the past (Mario Brothers, Zelda, Metroid, though with some they could just port the GBA versions to the Wii since it would already be done.) I'm sure they will do like you said, At first they will upgrade some but also release the originals (with a controll upgrade to fit the Wii-mote) and see which ones sell better and go from there.
you forgot about (D) Possible backlash and bad PR from not issuing a recall.
Sure 10 people get hurt by the computer and you settle out of court with 9 of them, the 10th one doesn't want money they want to know why it failed.
It trickles along untill the media needs a story cause it's a slow news day, they find it and blow it out of perportion, suddenly you have 50 other people showing up claiming they got hurt by your computer (even though they never owned one or they own a different company's but hey, that's technicalitys), you get a big class action lawsuit against you now. Suddenly those little settlements become one big settlement for everyone who has your computer.
Then you have to get someone to do the corral the negative PR that is happening against your company, so you only had 10 reported cases of a machine blowing up, one just wanted to know why it wasn't thought of somewheres before hitting retail and 59 (not doing actual numbers because it would be in the thousands, cause where there is money to be made by doing nothing, people will show up and want a peice of that pie) others want money from your company and you are now out of a job.
Sure this is just one computer but now the questions will slowly start happening,
First step: Deny Deny Deny, Your company did nothing wrong.
Second Step: Claim it was the users fault, They weren't using the proper power supply/battery for the notebook, it's not the companies fault.
Third Step: Claim it's a small problem, Your company is presented with proof it was their fault it happened so now it's time to claim that it's a small isolated problem and out of the millions you have sold worldwide there is only the one.
Fourth step: People see the chance to make money, Now you have people coming out claiming it happened to them and naturally they have no proof cause they got rid of the notebook since it "Blew up and no longer worked!" and then a lawyer sees a chance to make a name for him/herself and make some nice change from it. Time to issue a recall on all of them regardless.
Atleast that's how it works in the USA, not sure if other people are quick to think "10 problems around the world = EVERYTHING done by this company is flawed so I should get paid for not even being a part of it!".
IF Nintendo sticks to what they were talking about, each Nintendo game avalible for download on there will be upgraded aswell.
If you ever played them, think of Super Mario All-stars on the SNES or the Super Mario Advance titles on the GBA, updated sprites, updated sounds maybe even some improvments and changes to stages just so it feels new.
The one's on XBLA are just ports of arcade versions to the xbox with online play added, that's it.
Now as I said, that's IF Nintendo does what they said they are planning on doing.
To do what microsoft promised and then backed out of.
originally the 360 was going to be water cooled, granted this was Peter Moore (Microsoft's Ken Kutaragi) who said this...
It would be nice if we could watch those trilogys on one blu-ray disc aswell.
once again, a joke goes completly over everyones head.
,br> ah slashdot, the place where people take EVERYTHING said seriously.
they tried to invade the US! Their no better then terrorists! why if they had their way we would still be droping nukes on those sons of bitches!.
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atleast it's not as bad as Toms Hardware.
That man can take something simple and span it over 50 pages. I wonder if Tom is actually an old man, you know the kind. They forget wha they are talking about and ramble on about everything that has happened to them in their life and end with something completly different then when they started.
Aside from Blu-Ray & DVD what else do they support?
I don't have an HDTV (I'd like to get once but it just isn't happening right now) so neither HD-DVD or Blu-Ray really intrest me cause I will get the same picture as my dvd's right now, big woop there.
I have two DVD players right now that can play DVD, AVI (DivX & Xvid), pictures and MP3's. I don't see it listed for either player that it can play these formats.
also the reason they cost a grand each is because they play in 1080p mode and upconvert to 1080p (why you would want to see a 720p video upconverted to 1080 I dunno but it can), HD-DVD players don't do that yet (atleast not the $500 models they go to 1080i).
That's the thing I look for when buying a player though is how many formats it can play. If it's a recordable kind I make sure it supports both + & - formats so I don't have to go to a store and try to remember which ones my drive can take, I look for whatever is on sale (since you can usually get 100 discs for the price of 50 at staples every other week). It's nice to know that when I have a home theater system I can use one player to do all the work, I can pop in an MP3 CD and it will play, pop in stuff I have downloaded and it will play, pop in a DVD and it will play, all without having to hook up another player.
So in the end, we will be waiting the same length as we would if Valve were to just go ahead and make a full length sequal to HL2 (which they recently admitted HL2: E is actually HL3) but in the form of 3 episodes at $20 a pop.
I got episode 1 and enjoyed it till the ending, it left me wanting more but as time has gone on I have started caring less and less. I'll end up getting EP2 when it's released as I will ep3 but I Might just wait till all 3 episodes are out before I do.
I knew Episodic content was a bad idea from the moment they announced it. They charge way to much for such a short game, they wait far to long to come out with new episodes (when is the next of 10 SiN episodes supposed to come out?) and charge the same ammount for each episode which is rediculas.
It would work if they completed the game all the way through, charged $5 per episode (can start with $10 or $20 depending on length for the first episode since it hold the core of everything) and released them each week like real episodes then it would work better. cause then in the end the game becomes $50 which everyone is used to (360 versions are $60 since that is what they are used to).
,br> but if it's going to take 3 years for 3 episodes to come out then it's not going to work well (and I feel sorry for the ones who are into SiN, cause they will be waiting 10 years for closer on it).
oh wait, I forgot about the eXtreme beach vollyball.
there's a rabbid Starcraft & Diablo fanbase out there.
I'm sure some are only playing WOW because there is no WOS or WOD but I am will to bet that there are even more NOT playing WOW because Warcraft does not intrest them, yet if they were to release WOS then they would see more people playing (I know I would jump at it) same with WOD, not everyone likes warcraft (I don't cause it's set in the past like EVERYTHING) so they don't bother with WOW.
so if I could play WOS as a Zerg, Terran or Protoss (or even a fourth race) you bet your ass I would be playing that game ever day, since they wouldn't be based on one single planet the possabilitys are endless, but there in lies the problem with it to. They would have to come up with a bunch of planets, ways to travel to them (mother ships were the only way) what you could controll (the Protoss motherships would be weird since it has a ton of little fighters in it) and how the war would work (since everyone seems to hate the zerg but the terran was pissing the protoss off). Then you have what you would fight, would there be computer controlled zerglings? Marines? Zealots?
Star Wars Galaxies had tons of planets to visit but most of them just seemed empty and pointless, with not a whole lot to fight or do (I got tired of fighting rats non stop, That does not immerse you into the universe when you fight fucking rats). at this point I would be happy with Starcraft 2, but they probably moved everyone from the starcraft and diablo teams to help with WOW which sucks.
Look at what happened after 9/11. When congress came back, bill after bill after bill was passed without the blink of an eye, a good chunk of what was passed had nothing to do with terrorism or protection, It was laws that had been sitting around waiting to get passed, when they couldn't get passed on their own they got tacked onto a terrorism bill and poof! it got passed in a hurry.
wait a minute, by the way that reads, if I was to upload something (anything) to say, Youtube then it would legally become youtubes property.
Let's say I upload an NFL game there, would the NFL be able to do anything since it is now the legal property of Youtube?
> "How do you know it's a DMCA?" > "It's got shit all over it." > "Well I didn't vote for it." Bloody peasant. You don't vote for the DMCA. Well sure you don't vote for it in the normal sence.
If you pay taxes you are voting for it though (just read the summary, everything these lobbyists are doing is on the tax payers dime not their own).
They have no job, no job equals no income, no income means they can't buy anything or have a bank account, not buying anything or having a bank account hurts the company, the company ends up closing because no one has a job because everything they trained for and have the best skills for has been outsourced to other country's.
But hey, if a company can save $10,000 a month and never pass on the savings to it's customers and their CEO can retire with $170 million because he's a good bullshitter and wormed his way to the top, then who gives a shit right?
Don't you mean It's over 9 years old?
It's pretty bad to go from $6 million in development to $4,250.
unless of course after 10 years, 3 engines and a lot of emberassed execs, $4,250 is all they have left of the initial $6 million.