You don't get it. The message comes thru unecrypted and sits on Google's hard drives until the point you download it and then store it on your system in an encrypted format.
You just said it was well publicized. Are you trying to imply that the government doesn't know that their actions are what gets publicized, ultimately? Or maybe you are just pissed because I didn't share your same ideology.
Your post was rather vague and ambiguous and since the article was about the GOVERNMENT's actions, combined with the FACT that this story is getting VERY LITTLE coverage (a fact that you seem to disagree with for some reason), it would be logical and reasonable to assume you were referring to the control of a population from the government based on the LACK of media coverage. I really don't want to call you an idiot for making a post like this, but why should I stop myself when you did it first?
When you respond to a post, please respond to what the person actually wrote, not what fits into the script the media fed you.
Jumping to conclusions, are we? I don't watch TV, listen to the radio, or read newspapers. I have no contact with the media, except for incidental stuff like seeing billboards as I drive to work which I don't pay much mind to anyway.
Way to shoot yourself (and your argument) in the foot. And call me an idiot while making such wild and false statements about me.
Guess what? Letting this story serve as an example serves the interests of those who are best served by maintaining the status quo. Those who read Mao are generally less likely to approve of the status quo than most.
How many people do you think are actually actively interested, aware, and want to see political change based on Mao's or other similar ideologies?
Very little, as I stated. The Media has more to fear from lunatics trying to sneak in the back door of their studio and wrecking their set than they do a few radical hippies (not being derogatory here) burning Bush effigies in Times Square and yelling "no blood for oil".
I dare challenge you. Tell me how much media coverage this story has gotten and compare it with other more "hip" stories. This story is near the bottom. No one cares. No one is being made an example of here. This story is actually anti-Government because the few places where it is getting headline coverage, it is stirring up emotions, yours and mine, against the actions of a tyrannical government. This doesn't appeal to the average consumer of media.
You make alot of good points, but if you want anyone to take you seriously (myself included), I suggest that you start using rational arguments and not calling someone an idiot just because they don't agree with your every view.
Maybe if you can calm down and realize that we are on the same page on many things here, we can have a rational debate. Is this too much to ask?
I think this is just our retarded and ineffectual homeland security at work.
This is coming from the same idiotic line of thinking where they interrogate people who are snapping photos of landmarks or ask a woman on a transit bus to show her or or face more retarded treatment from authroity.
Do the cops get a kick out of fucking with the people? Sure they do, but its not really part of a larger conspiracy, is it? Out of the entire USA population - how many of us are radical leftists? Not all that many. They might be some of the most vocal - but in terms of threatening the grip of the two party power system, they have zero to worry about from them.
At least when you look at other toltaltarian states - i.e. Nazi Germany or USSR, their governments worked with far better efficency and effectiveness than ours at controlling the sheep.
What does this have to do with supporting communism?
Are we so afraid of thoughts and ideas that, in what (apparently no longer) was the argument against communism was that we had a right to individual conscious and freedom, we have become just like what we so hate?
I don't like communism but I fear the fear mongers more who want to increase the role of our government to such a point that it matches the authoritarian tyranny of communist states.
The only way to teach these crooked cops is to make them actually do real detective work instead of taking the lazy route by trying to harass a large number of people to get their information.
No sane judge is going to sign off on a search warrant for the entire customer list of a company that sells joysticks that look like real cockpit controls.
The five golden words: "I have nothing to say" also come in handy.
Stuff like 9/11 happened because of this type of lazy and slacked police work that targets the wrong people when instead they could have connected the dots and got the RIGHT people.
At which point do we surrender our liberty to travel the world and have the freedom of conscious to learn about anything we want to a world where people who deviate from the norm of being a Patriotic American(tm) are investigated and grilled for not being "normal"?
Unfortunately, most people support this kind of thing. What can we do? Not much. The very constitution that Bush claims he loves by nominating "strict constructionists" is "just a damned piece of paper". Pretty soon, the "strict" interpretation of the constitution will mean that anyone who mentions the Bill of Rights is a "liberal activist" who likes to misinterpret our "rights" to be "protected" from evil terrorists weilding Mao's book.
I've done this before. Anyone who hotlinks my images (i.e. a referer from other than my domain) gets a goatse image that says "STOP STEALING MY BANDWIDTH".
If you really want to be insidious about it, do it only manually. This is hilarious when you have someone with an eBay auction stealing your images. Wait for them to get bids so they can't edit their description and then swap out the image with something horribly obscene. They can't do anything except close the auction, but the auction page is still up for about 90 days. Its totally embarassing for the a**holes but they deserve it.
These online blogs tend to be filled with idiots. Xangas - for instance - are filled - plagued - with political blogs of 13 year olds with opinons that are devoid of intelligence and thought. They basically read "political" books and parrot the opinions fed to them in the books. And whenever anyone with a different opinion says so, they can't help but insult the hell out of each other until neither of them has any dignity left. I see this equally from both sides of the coin. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who can't form his or her own opinion has a worthless opinion.
How is this any different than adult political discourse?
How can you call something a truth if one is not allowed to debate it?
It is amazing how people who are normally logical and sensible, beceome emotional when it comes to sensitive social issues.
I'm not gonna side with the revisionists but if someone believes otherwise, thats his business. As an objective thinker, I will take the side that seems the most rational based on the facts.
The point is that the webpage is making conflicting information. This is what the poster is trying to point out, yet you keep reverting to your God-like defense of someone who dared to point out a glaring contradiction. It was very noble (see, I can use your sort of terminology too!) of the poster to point this out so that King Berlin might take a chance to clarify or fix the problem.
How dare anyone question Mr. Berlin! He is even more royaller and Godlier than the entire GCC project itself!
Jesus christ.
Umm... You clearly don't understand the point
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I dont think the grandparent asked for a biographical sketch of Mr. Berlin.
Dan Berlin isn't exactly the only person who works on GCC, so the fact that the webpage, which should be the sole ultimate authoritative source of GCC information is saying something that is contradicting what he is saying is something that needs to be brought to his attention.
No need to get all uppity and act as if he just smited your God.
I'm more worried about the fact that it a huge central point of failure.. device breaks, you're really shit out of luck! Wait a week for the incompetent cable co. technician to come out for a replacement while you can't watch TV, play back videos, get on the internet, or access your home network.
You are doing a PERFECT job of showing what is wrong with much (not all) of the open source movement. This total arrogance on the part of developers when it comes to responding to the user and dealing with code maintainence/quality issues.
1. No one is demanding a fix. We're not entitled to anything. Many of us are quite happy (such as I) to keep using a browser that leaks more than my infant cousin. My friends are happy to use Opera (which, despite what you think, does NOT crash or leak, period). You'd think the developers would appreciate the fact that we are giving them feedback. The #1 complaint I see from OSS devs is the lack of feedback from the end-user.
2. We've told them in quite specific detail how to reproduce the crashes and memory leaks (in the case of leaks, just leave the fucking browser open for a few hours after visiting a bunch of websites - any websites).
Now, that "bug" you pointed to is not a bug. It's a possibly unrelated set of symptoms, which could be caused by any number of known or unknown real bugs. It's not likely that excessive memory usage, crashing and hanging, all in different circumstances, are all caused by a single bug. So they're not "refusing" to investigate a bug. "Firefox doesn't work perfectly" is NOT A BUG!
Oh please. What a load of shit.
A bug can be a behavior or symptom caused by any number of code/design issues. Stop trying to redefine away the fact that Firefox has major issues that are NOT GETTING FIXED (all at the same time that FF fanbois such as yourself are tooting your horns about being so much better than MSIE, codewise).
I don't see that as unreasonable. Not at all. The Mozilla developers can not fix a bug without enough information to reproduce the bug, track down the cause. In fact, where they have managed to get enough information about a crash or a hang bug to fix it, they have fixed it.
What are they asking for? We've told them how to reproduce the fucking problems. Beyond that, I can't help. I'm not taking time out to do the job that the programmers should be doing themselves just to tell them were the offending lines of code are.
Frankly, if a little bit more time was spent designing, testing, and analyzing code (ala OpenBSD), alot of these bugs would never crop up.
Opera of course has bugs, but quite less than Firefox does. When you have a problem with something, they are GLAD to hear about it and they don't basically tell the user "fuck off, we don't care". I've never had Opera crash for me, personally, or eat away hundreds of megs of ram with only one website open.
You can't make blanket statements like this about laptops and grades..
Some classes require lots of focus and attention.. think of math. Professor is spending most of the time doing proofs, examples, etc. You can't goof off on Slashdot at the same time the Prof. is doing an example of something and understand what he is doing.
Other classes just present casual bits of information that can easily be summarized as the professor goes along.. this is like a humanities class, for example. I just jot down details I think are important while I sit around and read Slashdot or whatever. Yes, and truthfully, I don't pay as much attention because I don't find it interesting in the first place. I'm not going remember a single thing I learn here by the time next semester rolls around.
I will also note that I have ADD (perhaps computers are the cause, or perhaps my ADD causes my obsession with computers). If I dont bring a laptop, I will have no source of distraction. My mind will tend to wander quite a bit and I'll just never be able to have any concentration whatsoever (this is why I tend to do poorly on tests in general, because I lose focus rapidly - something no one understands or believes). At least with a laptop, I can sort of satisfy my desire to be distracted for brief periods of time while not totally losing focus of what I need to learn from class. In this sense, laptops are a godsend for me.
this guy did for a similar bug and the FF devs refused to fix it.
Lesson learned? FF devs don't care about quality control of their code and admonish users who try to help.
People are posting to Slashdot because nothing is happening. These and related bugs are not getting fixed and have been lingering for years. Many of my friends and family have given up. They are loyal Opera users.
It is serious. I have the same issues, up to 1.5 rc2 and the 1.0.x series.
I just upgraded tp rc3 but its too early to tell if that was fixed.
The parent should be modded up - this is a LONGSTANDING issue that has not gotten any attention.
I have 1GB of RAM (FF usually peaks at about 160MB for me before I restart it) so I dont care that much, but I know lots of users on lo-mem systems who are highly annoyed by this behavior and switched to Opera. I think this kind of thing should be a high priority critical/major bug and receive attention ASAP.
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Why do we keep calling it Intelligence Quotient? Should it not be Success Quotient?
Because it is designed to measure intelligence, not success.
Slashdot is not Web 2.0, sorry.
You don't get it. The message comes thru unecrypted and sits on Google's hard drives until the point you download it and then store it on your system in an encrypted format.
Hmm, I don't see USSR around, but US still here...
I don't think I said they were better managed, did I?
Please re-read my post.
You just said it was well publicized. Are you trying to imply that the government doesn't know that their actions are what gets publicized, ultimately? Or maybe you are just pissed because I didn't share your same ideology.
Your post was rather vague and ambiguous and since the article was about the GOVERNMENT's actions, combined with the FACT that this story is getting VERY LITTLE coverage (a fact that you seem to disagree with for some reason), it would be logical and reasonable to assume you were referring to the control of a population from the government based on the LACK of media coverage. I really don't want to call you an idiot for making a post like this, but why should I stop myself when you did it first?
When you respond to a post, please respond to what the person actually wrote, not what fits into the script the media fed you.
Jumping to conclusions, are we? I don't watch TV, listen to the radio, or read newspapers. I have no contact with the media, except for incidental stuff like seeing billboards as I drive to work which I don't pay much mind to anyway.
Way to shoot yourself (and your argument) in the foot. And call me an idiot while making such wild and false statements about me.
Guess what? Letting this story serve as an example serves the interests of those who are best served by maintaining the status quo. Those who read Mao are generally less likely to approve of the status quo than most.
How many people do you think are actually actively interested, aware, and want to see political change based on Mao's or other similar ideologies?
Very little, as I stated. The Media has more to fear from lunatics trying to sneak in the back door of their studio and wrecking their set than they do a few radical hippies (not being derogatory here) burning Bush effigies in Times Square and yelling "no blood for oil".
I dare challenge you. Tell me how much media coverage this story has gotten and compare it with other more "hip" stories. This story is near the bottom. No one cares. No one is being made an example of here. This story is actually anti-Government because the few places where it is getting headline coverage, it is stirring up emotions, yours and mine, against the actions of a tyrannical government. This doesn't appeal to the average consumer of media.
You make alot of good points, but if you want anyone to take you seriously (myself included), I suggest that you start using rational arguments and not calling someone an idiot just because they don't agree with your every view.
Maybe if you can calm down and realize that we are on the same page on many things here, we can have a rational debate. Is this too much to ask?
I think this is just our retarded and ineffectual homeland security at work.
This is coming from the same idiotic line of thinking where they interrogate people who are snapping photos of landmarks or ask a woman on a transit bus to show her or or face more retarded treatment from authroity.
Do the cops get a kick out of fucking with the people? Sure they do, but its not really part of a larger conspiracy, is it? Out of the entire USA population - how many of us are radical leftists? Not all that many. They might be some of the most vocal - but in terms of threatening the grip of the two party power system, they have zero to worry about from them.
At least when you look at other toltaltarian states - i.e. Nazi Germany or USSR, their governments worked with far better efficency and effectiveness than ours at controlling the sheep.
What does this have to do with supporting communism?
Are we so afraid of thoughts and ideas that, in what (apparently no longer) was the argument against communism was that we had a right to individual conscious and freedom, we have become just like what we so hate?
I don't like communism but I fear the fear mongers more who want to increase the role of our government to such a point that it matches the authoritarian tyranny of communist states.
6 months later?
I'm glad that they took so much trouble to deem you a security risk and made sure to have you stopped from carrying your evil deed in time.
See, even Canadian cops are stupid as Yankee cops.
Seriously.
The only way to teach these crooked cops is to make them actually do real detective work instead of taking the lazy route by trying to harass a large number of people to get their information.
No sane judge is going to sign off on a search warrant for the entire customer list of a company that sells joysticks that look like real cockpit controls.
The five golden words: "I have nothing to say" also come in handy.
Stuff like 9/11 happened because of this type of lazy and slacked police work that targets the wrong people when instead they could have connected the dots and got the RIGHT people.
This is a good point.
At which point do we surrender our liberty to travel the world and have the freedom of conscious to learn about anything we want to a world where people who deviate from the norm of being a Patriotic American(tm) are investigated and grilled for not being "normal"?
Unfortunately, most people support this kind of thing. What can we do? Not much. The very constitution that Bush claims he loves by nominating "strict constructionists" is "just a damned piece of paper". Pretty soon, the "strict" interpretation of the constitution will mean that anyone who mentions the Bill of Rights is a "liberal activist" who likes to misinterpret our "rights" to be "protected" from evil terrorists weilding Mao's book.
I've done this before. Anyone who hotlinks my images (i.e. a referer from other than my domain) gets a goatse image that says "STOP STEALING MY BANDWIDTH".
If you really want to be insidious about it, do it only manually. This is hilarious when you have someone with an eBay auction stealing your images. Wait for them to get bids so they can't edit their description and then swap out the image with something horribly obscene. They can't do anything except close the auction, but the auction page is still up for about 90 days. Its totally embarassing for the a**holes but they deserve it.
These online blogs tend to be filled with idiots. Xangas - for instance - are filled - plagued - with political blogs of 13 year olds with opinons that are devoid of intelligence and thought. They basically read "political" books and parrot the opinions fed to them in the books. And whenever anyone with a different opinion says so, they can't help but insult the hell out of each other until neither of them has any dignity left. I see this equally from both sides of the coin. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who can't form his or her own opinion has a worthless opinion.
How is this any different than adult political discourse?
Userspace drivers are nice and everything but they come at a performance penalty due to the abstracting of all the various hardware level accesses.
Linux is NOT immune from bad drivers! If you let code interface with the kernel directly, well shit can happen. I've seen it myself.
How can you call something a truth if one is not allowed to debate it?
It is amazing how people who are normally logical and sensible, beceome emotional when it comes to sensitive social issues.
I'm not gonna side with the revisionists but if someone believes otherwise, thats his business. As an objective thinker, I will take the side that seems the most rational based on the facts.
Do you ever realize that none of your posts are even remotely funny?
That is not the point at all.
The point is that the webpage is making conflicting information. This is what the poster is trying to point out, yet you keep reverting to your God-like defense of someone who dared to point out a glaring contradiction. It was very noble (see, I can use your sort of terminology too!) of the poster to point this out so that King Berlin might take a chance to clarify or fix the problem.
How dare anyone question Mr. Berlin! He is even more royaller and Godlier than the entire GCC project itself!
Jesus christ.
I dont think the grandparent asked for a biographical sketch of Mr. Berlin.
Dan Berlin isn't exactly the only person who works on GCC, so the fact that the webpage, which should be the sole ultimate authoritative source of GCC information is saying something that is contradicting what he is saying is something that needs to be brought to his attention.
No need to get all uppity and act as if he just smited your God.
I'm more worried about the fact that it a huge central point of failure.. device breaks, you're really shit out of luck! Wait a week for the incompetent cable co. technician to come out for a replacement while you can't watch TV, play back videos, get on the internet, or access your home network.
You are doing a PERFECT job of showing what is wrong with much (not all) of the open source movement. This total arrogance on the part of developers when it comes to responding to the user and dealing with code maintainence/quality issues.
1. No one is demanding a fix. We're not entitled to anything. Many of us are quite happy (such as I) to keep using a browser that leaks more than my infant cousin. My friends are happy to use Opera (which, despite what you think, does NOT crash or leak, period). You'd think the developers would appreciate the fact that we are giving them feedback. The #1 complaint I see from OSS devs is the lack of feedback from the end-user.
2. We've told them in quite specific detail how to reproduce the crashes and memory leaks (in the case of leaks, just leave the fucking browser open for a few hours after visiting a bunch of websites - any websites).
Now, that "bug" you pointed to is not a bug. It's a possibly unrelated set of symptoms, which could be caused by any number of known or unknown real bugs. It's not likely that excessive memory usage, crashing and hanging, all in different circumstances, are all caused by a single bug. So they're not "refusing" to investigate a bug. "Firefox doesn't work perfectly" is NOT A BUG!
Oh please. What a load of shit.
A bug can be a behavior or symptom caused by any number of code/design issues. Stop trying to redefine away the fact that Firefox has major issues that are NOT GETTING FIXED (all at the same time that FF fanbois such as yourself are tooting your horns about being so much better than MSIE, codewise).
I don't see that as unreasonable. Not at all. The Mozilla developers can not fix a bug without enough information to reproduce the bug, track down the cause. In fact, where they have managed to get enough information about a crash or a hang bug to fix it, they have fixed it.
What are they asking for? We've told them how to reproduce the fucking problems. Beyond that, I can't help. I'm not taking time out to do the job that the programmers should be doing themselves just to tell them were the offending lines of code are.
Frankly, if a little bit more time was spent designing, testing, and analyzing code (ala OpenBSD), alot of these bugs would never crop up.
Opera of course has bugs, but quite less than Firefox does. When you have a problem with something, they are GLAD to hear about it and they don't basically tell the user "fuck off, we don't care". I've never had Opera crash for me, personally, or eat away hundreds of megs of ram with only one website open.
You can't make blanket statements like this about laptops and grades..
Some classes require lots of focus and attention.. think of math. Professor is spending most of the time doing proofs, examples, etc. You can't goof off on Slashdot at the same time the Prof. is doing an example of something and understand what he is doing.
Other classes just present casual bits of information that can easily be summarized as the professor goes along.. this is like a humanities class, for example. I just jot down details I think are important while I sit around and read Slashdot or whatever. Yes, and truthfully, I don't pay as much attention because I don't find it interesting in the first place. I'm not going remember a single thing I learn here by the time next semester rolls around.
I will also note that I have ADD (perhaps computers are the cause, or perhaps my ADD causes my obsession with computers). If I dont bring a laptop, I will have no source of distraction. My mind will tend to wander quite a bit and I'll just never be able to have any concentration whatsoever (this is why I tend to do poorly on tests in general, because I lose focus rapidly - something no one understands or believes). At least with a laptop, I can sort of satisfy my desire to be distracted for brief periods of time while not totally losing focus of what I need to learn from class. In this sense, laptops are a godsend for me.
this guy did for a similar bug and the FF devs refused to fix it.
Lesson learned? FF devs don't care about quality control of their code and admonish users who try to help.
People are posting to Slashdot because nothing is happening. These and related bugs are not getting fixed and have been lingering for years. Many of my friends and family have given up. They are loyal Opera users.
It is serious. I have the same issues, up to 1.5 rc2 and the 1.0.x series.
I just upgraded tp rc3 but its too early to tell if that was fixed.
The parent should be modded up - this is a LONGSTANDING issue that has not gotten any attention.
I have 1GB of RAM (FF usually peaks at about 160MB for me before I restart it) so I dont care that much, but I know lots of users on lo-mem systems who are highly annoyed by this behavior and switched to Opera. I think this kind of thing should be a high priority critical/major bug and receive attention ASAP.
Copying != Stealing.
Try Opera.
It does just about everything FF does and more while taking up much less RAM and uses lots less CPU.
Thinks he is an "old school" troll.
ROFLAMO!!!!!
Burn in Hell, Cockwood.