these events are where they explain why they will pay vendors to not ship competing products and what they are supposed to sell in their stead. Recall how ASUS went from a Linux champion to a Windows chump in the netbook space and it was all after signing a deal with Microsoft.
What's keeping this interesting isn't how they can "talk" vendors into eliminating Linux systems and bumping the hardware and retail prices upward while still getting profits from Microsoft marketing kick-backs. No, it's keeping interesting because that once little Apple company will still keep them up at night with better products. But it sure would be nice to have just one big Linux champion around.
former Yahoo CEO and co-founder Jerry Yang fought to keep Yahoo out of Microsoft's hands but Carl Icahn was too powerful. Although it took three years, he's now won and did what he said he would do in 2008. Oh well, another one bits the dust.
There seems to be a pattern here. Products and industries where there are many competitors quickly drop to only 2 or 3 competitors when Microsoft comes in and drops billions into their money losing products to "enter" the market. Companies who made enough profits to stay in the market can no longer stay profitable when Microsoft comes in and finances their entry year after year after year with profits from Windows.
so "back in the day" was the mid to late 90s? Son, the things you've seen would fill a thimble.;-)
In the 70s, we used to use the CB radio to check in with buds at another drive in theater on how the movie was. The HAM guys probably pre-date that too but with less portability.
it is not about the patent being valid it's who has it and how much money they have. Will you fight him in court if he were to sue you for using Skype and having any fun doing it?
And that sad part is, he probably really believes he invented it too. Hey Bill, I think phone sex pre-dates your movie night dates and I'll leave it to your imagination which was probably more entertaining.
completely different requirements too. OLPC was spec'ed to work outdoors in full sun light and to have some water and dust protection and impact protection to 4'. I think there was also the requirement to be user serviceable.
Given that public information, how is the Raspberry Pi even close to comparable to the OLPC XO besides a very low price and they are both computing devices? And I forgot to mention the built in mesh networking and super low battery power usage so it could run all day on either batteries or very intermittent power.
well said. Processors at that time were not up to the performance and power usage they needed to be and x86 still isn't so as you stated, this is now and that was then. He at least was smart enough to know that fitting OSX on the iPad or iPhone was not a smart move. Unlike some other company who still wants their bloated desktop OS on their phones and tablets.
forgive me, I had no idea that writing a BASIC interpreter for 8 bit computers was so difficult as to put them on the same platform as the real innovators listed.
but that would mean using electric cars instead of business as usual and burning fuel inside an engine to propel the car. You are just a radical thinker and just want to change things.;-)
there was this little company called IBM which gave Microsoft their position and brand recognition and when the impossible happened( as far as IBM was concerned ) and the IBM PC BIOS was cloned and IBM PC clones hit the market, Microsoft's position with IBM made Microsoft the obvious OS choice for the clones. So Microsoft never had to build their brand and never had to build their market or market position. How they used their position to shut down both ISVs and OS competitors using their position in the market is legendary.
So Bill Gates would be nowhere near where he is now had he not ridden on the coat tail of IBM and if you look at all the failures in the markets where they could not leverage their position with the Windows OS you should see Bill Gates is nothing near Thomas Edison, Henry Ford or yes, even Steve Jobs. IMO
they _should_ have known from the netbook craze that $250 - $350 is the sweet spot for these kinds of devices. Like others have said, generating revenue from the device after the sale from cuts off the app market and advertising should be the direction forward. But HP is still thinking old-school.
that's what I figure too or they had a contract for a number and were going to have to pay a penalty which works out better selling the built units for $99 and $149.
Sure wish they were dual core Nvidia Tegra chips though but at $99 they still beat the plain old $149 Beagleboard. I may have to get one or two and use them for a monitoring panel or something like that.
but how could that possibly be when before each release of their 'new operating system' they do research on how to make the user interface MS Better? You must be wrong and so must your users and everyone else because Microsoft knows what's best.
BTW, this is exactly what's wrong with the model of letting one company dictate what's best for YOU, and all those other users who use their software. I recall their CEO claiming open source software was a cancer and another that it was like socialism. Well they have a dictatorship model and it has sucked since they declared themselves emperor in 1995. That is when they took over complete control of the desktop UI.
so it should have us wondering why such a big deal about fast charging. Isn't there already the research to show a majority of the commuting population does less than 40 miles round trip? Fast charging during the day is a fix for long distance commuting and because that is typically going to be day-time charging it will add loads to the peak demand.
Makes me wonder if this isn't all a stunt by the utilities to show their PUC orgs they need money to fund these and upgrades and therefore raise rates.
they should be banned from involvement in the standard because in many ways they have already shown they are against a change to EV transportation systems. Yet when you look at who's involved you see both of these front and center. Because of this we will not see an optimal standard emerge. IMO there should be an IEEE committee with the Utilities and old school auto makers only input allowed being as technical advisers.
but that doesn't sound as good when you get the email asking for donations and reserve your spot when it's flying. Sounds like a scam to me and IMO it's not really news if all they are doing is hoping to do this, that, and the other thing. Lots of people hope to do things which never happen but the cardboard mock-ups look fun.
Thanks for the long ride CmdrTaco!/. has been one constant through all the turmoil of the past decade+ so it's with great sorrow to read you're leaving. As my subject states, I hope they still gave you access to post polls. those have been fun over the years of not just to read WTF people come up with.
And I sure hope/. has been trained well and continues even a pinch of the consistency you have in posting New for nerds, stuff that matters. Live long and prosper CmdrTaco.
I would think they'd be asking about the hooks involved and if they'd get a free phone they could hack or pawn just saying "yes" and nothing more. I'm with the other/. post saying they already got the rug pulled out from under on a small market project and might want more security than Microsoft promises. We all know what Microsoft promises are worth.
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these events are where they explain why they will pay vendors to not ship competing products and what they are supposed to sell in their stead. Recall how ASUS went from a Linux champion to a Windows chump in the netbook space and it was all after signing a deal with Microsoft.
What's keeping this interesting isn't how they can "talk" vendors into eliminating Linux systems and bumping the hardware and retail prices upward while still getting profits from Microsoft marketing kick-backs. No, it's keeping interesting because that once little Apple company will still keep them up at night with better products. But it sure would be nice to have just one big Linux champion around.
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ya, I was thinking more about their other services and biz even if they were still fringe player in search.
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former Yahoo CEO and co-founder Jerry Yang fought to keep Yahoo out of Microsoft's hands but Carl Icahn was too powerful. Although it took three years, he's now won and did what he said he would do in 2008. Oh well, another one bits the dust.
There seems to be a pattern here. Products and industries where there are many competitors quickly drop to only 2 or 3 competitors when Microsoft comes in and drops billions into their money losing products to "enter" the market. Companies who made enough profits to stay in the market can no longer stay profitable when Microsoft comes in and finances their entry year after year after year with profits from Windows.
So long Yahoo, it really was nice knowing you.
LoB
so "back in the day" was the mid to late 90s? Son, the things you've seen would fill a thimble. ;-)
In the 70s, we used to use the CB radio to check in with buds at another drive in theater on how the movie was. The HAM guys probably pre-date that too but with less portability.
LoB
it is not about the patent being valid it's who has it and how much money they have. Will you fight him in court if he were to sue you for using Skype and having any fun doing it?
And that sad part is, he probably really believes he invented it too. Hey Bill, I think phone sex pre-dates your movie night dates and I'll leave it to your imagination which was probably more entertaining.
LoB
completely different requirements too. OLPC was spec'ed to work outdoors in full sun light and to have some water and dust protection and impact protection to 4'. I think there was also the requirement to be user serviceable.
Given that public information, how is the Raspberry Pi even close to comparable to the OLPC XO besides a very low price and they are both computing devices? And I forgot to mention the built in mesh networking and super low battery power usage so it could run all day on either batteries or very intermittent power.
LoB
well said. Processors at that time were not up to the performance and power usage they needed to be and x86 still isn't so as you stated, this is now and that was then. He at least was smart enough to know that fitting OSX on the iPad or iPhone was not a smart move. Unlike some other company who still wants their bloated desktop OS on their phones and tablets.
LoB
forgive me, I had no idea that writing a BASIC interpreter for 8 bit computers was so difficult as to put them on the same platform as the real innovators listed.
LoB
but that would mean using electric cars instead of business as usual and burning fuel inside an engine to propel the car. You are just a radical thinker and just want to change things. ;-)
LoB
there was this little company called IBM which gave Microsoft their position and brand recognition and when the impossible happened( as far as IBM was concerned ) and the IBM PC BIOS was cloned and IBM PC clones hit the market, Microsoft's position with IBM made Microsoft the obvious OS choice for the clones. So Microsoft never had to build their brand and never had to build their market or market position. How they used their position to shut down both ISVs and OS competitors using their position in the market is legendary.
So Bill Gates would be nowhere near where he is now had he not ridden on the coat tail of IBM and if you look at all the failures in the markets where they could not leverage their position with the Windows OS you should see Bill Gates is nothing near Thomas Edison, Henry Ford or yes, even Steve Jobs. IMO
LoB
they _should_ have known from the netbook craze that $250 - $350 is the sweet spot for these kinds of devices. Like others have said, generating revenue from the device after the sale from cuts off the app market and advertising should be the direction forward. But HP is still thinking old-school.
LoB
that's what I figure too or they had a contract for a number and were going to have to pay a penalty which works out better selling the built units for $99 and $149.
Sure wish they were dual core Nvidia Tegra chips though but at $99 they still beat the plain old $149 Beagleboard. I may have to get one or two and use them for a monitoring panel or something like that.
LoB
didn't you see the new dual screen laptops coming out? I think they might be "made for Windows 8". lol
LoB
but how could that possibly be when before each release of their 'new operating system' they do research on how to make the user interface MS Better? You must be wrong and so must your users and everyone else because Microsoft knows what's best.
BTW, this is exactly what's wrong with the model of letting one company dictate what's best for YOU, and all those other users who use their software. I recall their CEO claiming open source software was a cancer and another that it was like socialism. Well they have a dictatorship model and it has sucked since they declared themselves emperor in 1995. That is when they took over complete control of the desktop UI.
LoB
so it should have us wondering why such a big deal about fast charging. Isn't there already the research to show a majority of the commuting population does less than 40 miles round trip? Fast charging during the day is a fix for long distance commuting and because that is typically going to be day-time charging it will add loads to the peak demand.
Makes me wonder if this isn't all a stunt by the utilities to show their PUC orgs they need money to fund these and upgrades and therefore raise rates.
LoB
they should be banned from involvement in the standard because in many ways they have already shown they are against a change to EV transportation systems. Yet when you look at who's involved you see both of these front and center. Because of this we will not see an optimal standard emerge. IMO there should be an IEEE committee with the Utilities and old school auto makers only input allowed being as technical advisers.
LoB
hiring better network personnel might be a concept to consider. Or even a one-time consultant after getting bids and proposals from a few.
or find out who's downloading all the porn.
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BINGO!
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but that doesn't sound as good when you get the email asking for donations and reserve your spot when it's flying. Sounds like a scam to me and IMO it's not really news if all they are doing is hoping to do this, that, and the other thing. Lots of people hope to do things which never happen but the cardboard mock-ups look fun.
LoB
if so then who cares unless they put another frack'n Windows sticker around the keyboard.
LoB
Thanks for the long ride CmdrTaco! /. has been one constant through all the turmoil of the past decade+ so it's with great sorrow to read you're leaving. As my subject states, I hope they still gave you access to post polls. those have been fun over the years of not just to read WTF people come up with.
/. has been trained well and continues even a pinch of the consistency you have in posting New for nerds, stuff that matters.
And I sure hope
Live long and prosper CmdrTaco.
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because their public statements are always what _really_ happens. sure.
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I would think they'd be asking about the hooks involved and if they'd get a free phone they could hack or pawn just saying "yes" and nothing more. I'm with the other /. post saying they already got the rug pulled out from under on a small market project and might want more security than Microsoft promises. We all know what Microsoft promises are worth.
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phone calls? In this economy the threat of OSS is even greater for Microsoft so I would think the Microsoft MiB will be showing up on their doorstep.
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fail! Star Office was proprietary back then and did not use an open standard for its file format.
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