That's all I care about. I paid $135 for my second hand SE, it runs perfectly and I look retro-chic
...except its not going to happen Apple only do a small range of phones...and they have chosen to copy Androids mid-range phones to chase its dwindling Chinese market. The iphone 4 was a great design ; it looked classy and distinct(seriously the notch), but today I am not so sure if its Sony/Braun looks cut it, especially with the fanatics.
There are a whole host of manufactures producing modern phone on modern SOC in that price range, brand new.
Problem with Android phones is that they are chock full of bloatware. One of which had ads on the pull down menu which couldn't be gotten rid of. Unlike with Safari on iOS, there are no adblockers for the web browser that comes with Android
Let me stop you there. You either have never used android or are simply lying for the sake of other Apple users. One of the major advantages of Android over iOS for me is the ability to run a modern browser not a skin of safari. I run Firefox on Android with an adblocker, and love it. Apples walled prison does not allow this. All this on vanilla android with an unlocked bootloader, and Amazon and Humble Bundle app stores.
Loving the fact a apple superfanatic is mocking the notch...Absolutely the mid range is experimental, and maybe the results are UGLY, but that is what choice is about. Ironically a second notch would have meant that Apples lack of an on screen fingerprint reader would have been less of a oversight, something mid-range Androids have.
What I find amusing is that no manufacturer that decides to go with a notch understands the reason behind the iPhone X's notch./quote>...yes they do; screen real estate. Those with a chin(sic) often have headphone jacks. Some de-emphasise the notch, while others embrace it. Some manufactures have chosen even greater symmetry than the iphone, going as far a pop up cameras. The iphone just looks like any other manufactures phone, and none of them are ugly; They all got designers. We used to talk about the insides of Phones now we are talking about matching bezels, how dumbed down has Apple driven tech news.
I am disappointed you got downvoted for the brilliant irony. Apple is going to produce a rectangular slap with as much screen as possible. The news (drumroll) that they are doing a midrange(2 sims and a screen without burn in) at apple mark-up for the logo...without headphone jack/sdcard/ir blaster/radio etc, but yeah thats going to be a generic phone as well...maybe if you buy a case with a hole in people will see the logo through the hand your holding it with.
Then you probably spent too much IMO on your phone. The Mid-Range Android phones have been innovative with real improvements, and have better features that than premium(sic) phones if you love things like a headphone jack, sdcard, radio and irblaster...and even real buttons, are cheap to buy and devalue very little. At the top end companies are starting to push the average selling price up by producing great value phones like the Pocophone F1 $300..and they don't devalue anything like as fast.
Upgrade time is here indeed for fruit lovers. Apples phones devalue different to other phone companies. The drop in price like a stone after launch and suffer badly from OS updates. That's without their ongoing small battery problems, and limited storage(unless you through the nose...and that doesn't help the resale price)
Yes, just like they copied the notch last year, they'll copy some other feature this year.
Oh wait...
They did until after Essential Phone did it first, and worse. In reality it is just an evolution of display technology that allows for none square screens, and it appears on even the cheapest phones. I personally like the Android copies the notch pictures that has gone round, they show how ugly Apples use of this technology.
Other Phone manufactures love the notch. Accusations of them copying it drive more sales, or Actively mocking it to do like wise. Both show (and your comment) how little Apple has to offer...seriously a notch, You can't even tell an Apple phone from a Phone a 16th of its value. God bless dumbed down news, because nobody talks about specifications any more.
They will show copies of Android manufactures full screen phones with a very limited product range they have merged into the bland. Apple have become just a phone company, and a dull one at that.
JIT does not do what you think it does. Since KITKAT Google have used ahead-of-time compilation with ART. The JIT compiler was introduced in Nougat to compliment ART to constantly improve runtime performance something you want on a wearable.
The one in my pocket is a Xiaomi at 15% of an iPhoneX with an SDCard, IR Blaster, Headphone Jack, FingerPrint Reader, and a Massive Battery that won't half its speed in a years time.
And likely came pre-installed with Chinese spyware and will never see another security update in its lifetime.
Ironically Unlike your Chinese iPhone Xiaomi is expanding its manufacturing to India so is less likely to Spyware. It also has been excellent at updating with devices having five year updates as well as due to the open nature of Android having third party roms.
Where was the supercycle on the promised iphone X on the back of it copying Androids full screen designs? The phone that is the defining phone for the next 3 years. It turns out it is no iPhone 4; Which earned Apple its Premium label, or the iPhone 6; copying other Manufactures bigger and growing Androids screens.
It turns out copying 2011's Googles Nexus one's lackluster feature of facial recognition is still lackluster 7 years on. They should drop it like 3D touch.
Its all a bit MEH; Selling LESS phones for MORE (markup) money in a climate where Xiaomi caps its profit margin at 5%.
The one in my pocket is a Xiaomi at 15% of an iPhoneX with an SDCard, IR Blaster, Headphone Jack, FingerPrint Reader, and a Massive Battery that won't half its speed in a years time.
The new Apple are actively marketing at Android users with a strategy of a tiny cheaper but still poor value iphoneX(SE2?) when my phone still costs a fraction of the cost when my screen is 6.4". Is that going to be a supercycle or a bit MEH.
Being a Tool of the wealthy is buying a Chinese phone with an outdated design, twinned with an outdated first party applications, crippled by removing hardware features, and maintaining none standard hardware features. Then obsoleting the phone with unusable battery and memory and then cutting performance in HALF. At 8 times the price of arguably better products, because of...branding.
At least it was a original by copying the Essential Phones notch...and making it UGLY.
"Incredible GPU" (I'll just leave for a moment this is a chip just to be maybe 'unveiled', while the the latest iOS chip which you can buy for 6 months is already way ahead as usual...)
ios chips{sic} only run full speed in their first years and the are halved so those benchmarks only apply for another 6 months.
I will stick to a safe and professionally coded software like iOS, which is real Unix.
Many people are grateful of those many naked celebrity photos from Apple. After apple crippling users phones I am astonished anyone would buy from them. They continue to be ethically bankrupt.
Last time you bought something, did you check if everyone involved was being treated fairly?
In this case that person is Tim Cook who has the Billions laying around he could do worse than properly investigate. Hell hire me. I can solve this problem. How hard is it to walk into a factory and look around for children; workers rioting; basic safety conditions. I don't as a "ethical" consumer do those things. I simply boycott Apple products. If you don't you are part of the problem.
As bad as this is, what about Samsung case makers? Or any other computer for that matter? They are pulling even worse shit that you in your Apple Hatred are too blind to also point out, implying only Apple is to blame...
But Apple actually monitors and takes actions against bad suppliers. How many other companies do anything at all?
You can buy 3d-printed Samsung cases from many first world countries. You can even download a model and print one out yourself. Ironically the abuses by Apple, a company I boycott due to their human right abuses, anti consumer lobbying, media manipulation, anti greenpolicies and simply not producing good products. Shamefully Google keep trying to move manufacturing to the USA unlike Apple. In fact the raspberry pi is made in the UK in a Sony factory. As an ethical consumer I buy from these companies.
I am a little disappointed as to date, Android wear has been cheap, regularly updated.
Neither watches mentioned are a surprised the 360 dragged through more hardware updaters than it could cope and the lg g a bottom end watch, I would have rather have seen make it to the next generation.
This is Google's (partners)first misstep in this underrated market. They should have dragged both of these watches through another (optional) upgrade cycle.
So its come to this, we compare marketing of two similar products aimed at the same potential customers, and Apple fanatics call copy to a montage of real world and exciting examples of their(not your) product being used.
Ironically all I thought was poor value devices to both. I miss Bill buying shoes.
Android finally gets EXT4 support in Marshmallow to provide real and wonderful dupport for SDCards, and suddenly Ubuntu goes ZFS. There may be many advantages with ZFS. Matching that of the worlds largest OS doesn't hurt
Ok I love the idea of a having a phone where I can choose the bits that are important to me. I will buy one of these phones, assuming they can sort out the cost issues(and get it to work)
What I would be more interested in is parts being interchangeable with a chromebook, although I would want mine to be running debian(based!?) distribution. Hell I think a computer with parts that fit together like sticklebricks is my dream.
I dislike most of Apples hardware choices. Ignoring the fact that say that ZIP drives where pushed by apple. CD and Floppy where sacrificed for weight...actually moved to external caddies, which is where they should be, as they were (increasingly) occasional use devices. My CD\DVD still gets utilised in my computer and I lament there was never a local;cheap;large enough;versatile;small replacement to replace it,Cloud and USB are better in their own ways, but not a real replacement. My ever growing raided hard drive storage is simply burning electricity, and my fear of losing everything grows.
This happens online a lot. It's bad, it's stupid, most of us oppose it, but as GamerGate shows, it can do real harm.
This is nothing Like GamerGate which was as much about an educated woman calling a routinely demonised group a bunch of cunts...over and over again with a convoluted version of feminism for money championed by the verge...again.(There was some shit about that woman making a game about depression(Good for her) that got maybe more credit than it deserved, which I am really not sure about(Game about depression even if like a simple choice game is cool) and a sex scandal which I love...but nobody got and clearly by my description neither did I).
This is about making changes to the OS that are viewed as unpopular...ribbonbar, real names in youtube, removing reatures from nautilus. Gnome Shell, the list is endless.
This is entirely to do with breaking something popular; something that worked well. In truth I think pulseaudio is wonderful...but I haven't forgotten the breakages for many, even if the fault laid elsewhere(Ubuntu and Audio) drivers. I am pretty ambivalent about systemd, but I understand why *faster* startup is important. Overall my experience is better for Lennart, but again this is not about Open source, but major changes/regressions for little gains...worthwhile only historically. It pisses people off.
This really raises questions why Apple under Jobs an obvious competitor can release irreparably faulty(Antergate,Bendgate...a little thanks to Verge, Camera problems) buggy products and have it defended, Releasing Buggy/Incomplete Products(Maps/iOS8) or even slowing down products that worked to unworkable(every version of iOS on every iPhone)
Maybe the real problem is Marketing or transparency or community involvement whatever stops the users(Developers) feeling helpless (Jobs would smile in a turtleneck and say you don't want those droids) to being forced to suffer major inconveniences. I object to Lennart kicking back at what seems like an ungrateful community(sic), but really its a cry for support in an area he (and Mr Cook) don't have.
Ironically this is all about Public relations and nothing about the truth, and nobody thinks its apple can tell the truth anymore.. Apples standard to simply lie about everything from taxies to white plastic to antennas to how there devices should be used.If finally catching up with them.
Me too, and I think that the fact that I have a 5.5" Phone in my pocked that cost a third the price of the iPhone, and in every way is better. Screams otherwise. I like my music Bass heavy and headphones to look good...like my phone, hell I could use the money I save by not buying an Apple.
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That's all I care about. I paid $135 for my second hand SE, it runs perfectly and I look retro-chic
...except its not going to happen Apple only do a small range of phones...and they have chosen to copy Androids mid-range phones to chase its dwindling Chinese market. The iphone 4 was a great design ; it looked classy and distinct(seriously the notch), but today I am not so sure if its Sony/Braun looks cut it, especially with the fanatics.
There are a whole host of manufactures producing modern phone on modern SOC in that price range, brand new.
Problem with Android phones is that they are chock full of bloatware. One of which had ads on the pull down menu which couldn't be gotten rid of. Unlike with Safari on iOS, there are no adblockers for the web browser that comes with Android
Let me stop you there. You either have never used android or are simply lying for the sake of other Apple users. One of the major advantages of Android over iOS for me is the ability to run a modern browser not a skin of safari. I run Firefox on Android with an adblocker, and love it. Apples walled prison does not allow this. All this on vanilla android with an unlocked bootloader, and Amazon and Humble Bundle app stores.
Oh, you mean like multiple notches
Loving the fact a apple superfanatic is mocking the notch...Absolutely the mid range is experimental, and maybe the results are UGLY, but that is what choice is about. Ironically a second notch would have meant that Apples lack of an on screen fingerprint reader would have been less of a oversight, something mid-range Androids have.
What I find amusing is that no manufacturer that decides to go with a notch understands the reason behind the iPhone X's notch. /quote> ...yes they do; screen real estate. Those with a chin(sic) often have headphone jacks. Some de-emphasise the notch, while others embrace it. Some manufactures have chosen even greater symmetry than the iphone, going as far a pop up cameras. The iphone just looks like any other manufactures phone, and none of them are ugly; They all got designers. We used to talk about the insides of Phones now we are talking about matching bezels, how dumbed down has Apple driven tech news.
Round iphone confirmed !!
I am disappointed you got downvoted for the brilliant irony. Apple is going to produce a rectangular slap with as much screen as possible. The news (drumroll) that they are doing a midrange(2 sims and a screen without burn in) at apple mark-up for the logo...without headphone jack/sdcard/ir blaster/radio etc, but yeah thats going to be a generic phone as well...maybe if you buy a case with a hole in people will see the logo through the hand your holding it with.
Then you probably spent too much IMO on your phone. The Mid-Range Android phones have been innovative with real improvements, and have better features that than premium(sic) phones if you love things like a headphone jack, sdcard, radio and irblaster...and even real buttons, are cheap to buy and devalue very little. At the top end companies are starting to push the average selling price up by producing great value phones like the Pocophone F1 $300..and they don't devalue anything like as fast.
Upgrade time is here indeed for fruit lovers. Apples phones devalue different to other phone companies. The drop in price like a stone after launch and suffer badly from OS updates. That's without their ongoing small battery problems, and limited storage(unless you through the nose...and that doesn't help the resale price)
Yes, just like they copied the notch last year, they'll copy some other feature this year.
Oh wait...
They did until after Essential Phone did it first, and worse. In reality it is just an evolution of display technology that allows for none square screens, and it appears on even the cheapest phones. I personally like the Android copies the notch pictures that has gone round, they show how ugly Apples use of this technology.
Other Phone manufactures love the notch. Accusations of them copying it drive more sales, or Actively mocking it to do like wise. Both show (and your comment) how little Apple has to offer...seriously a notch, You can't even tell an Apple phone from a Phone a 16th of its value. God bless dumbed down news, because nobody talks about specifications any more.
They will show copies of Android manufactures full screen phones with a very limited product range they have merged into the bland. Apple have become just a phone company, and a dull one at that.
Wrong, it's because there is no JIT.
JIT does not do what you think it does. Since KITKAT Google have used ahead-of-time compilation with ART. The JIT compiler was introduced in Nougat to compliment ART to constantly improve runtime performance something you want on a wearable.
The one in my pocket is a Xiaomi at 15% of an iPhoneX with an SDCard, IR Blaster, Headphone Jack, FingerPrint Reader, and a Massive Battery that won't half its speed in a years time.
And likely came pre-installed with Chinese spyware and will never see another security update in its lifetime.
Ironically Unlike your Chinese iPhone Xiaomi is expanding its manufacturing to India so is less likely to Spyware. It also has been excellent at updating with devices having five year updates as well as due to the open nature of Android having third party roms.
Where was the supercycle on the promised iphone X on the back of it copying Androids full screen designs? The phone that is the defining phone for the next 3 years. It turns out it is no iPhone 4; Which earned Apple its Premium label, or the iPhone 6; copying other Manufactures bigger and growing Androids screens.
It turns out copying 2011's Googles Nexus one's lackluster feature of facial recognition is still lackluster 7 years on. They should drop it like 3D touch.
Its all a bit MEH; Selling LESS phones for MORE (markup) money in a climate where Xiaomi caps its profit margin at 5%.
The one in my pocket is a Xiaomi at 15% of an iPhoneX with an SDCard, IR Blaster, Headphone Jack, FingerPrint Reader, and a Massive Battery that won't half its speed in a years time.
The new Apple are actively marketing at Android users with a strategy of a tiny cheaper but still poor value iphoneX(SE2?) when my phone still costs a fraction of the cost when my screen is 6.4". Is that going to be a supercycle or a bit MEH.
Being a Tool of the wealthy is buying a Chinese phone with an outdated design, twinned with an outdated first party applications, crippled by removing hardware features, and maintaining none standard hardware features. Then obsoleting the phone with unusable battery and memory and then cutting performance in HALF. At 8 times the price of arguably better products, because of...branding.
At least it was a original by copying the Essential Phones notch...and making it UGLY.
"Incredible GPU" (I'll just leave for a moment this is a chip just to be maybe 'unveiled', while the the latest iOS chip which you can buy for 6 months is already way ahead as usual...)
ios chips{sic} only run full speed in their first years and the are halved so those benchmarks only apply for another 6 months.
I will stick to a safe and professionally coded software like iOS, which is real Unix.
Many people are grateful of those many naked celebrity photos from Apple. After apple crippling users phones I am astonished anyone would buy from them. They continue to be ethically bankrupt.
Last time you bought something, did you check if everyone involved was being treated fairly?
In this case that person is Tim Cook who has the Billions laying around he could do worse than properly investigate. Hell hire me. I can solve this problem. How hard is it to walk into a factory and look around for children; workers rioting; basic safety conditions. I don't as a "ethical" consumer do those things. I simply boycott Apple products. If you don't you are part of the problem.
As bad as this is, what about Samsung case makers? Or any other computer for that matter? They are pulling even worse shit that you in your Apple Hatred are too blind to also point out, implying only Apple is to blame...
But Apple actually monitors and takes actions against bad suppliers. How many other companies do anything at all?
You can buy 3d-printed Samsung cases from many first world countries. You can even download a model and print one out yourself. Ironically the abuses by Apple, a company I boycott due to their human right abuses, anti consumer lobbying, media manipulation, anti greenpolicies and simply not producing good products. Shamefully Google keep trying to move manufacturing to the USA unlike Apple. In fact the raspberry pi is made in the UK in a Sony factory. As an ethical consumer I buy from these companies.
I am a little disappointed as to date, Android wear has been cheap, regularly updated.
Neither watches mentioned are a surprised the 360 dragged through more hardware updaters than it could cope and the lg g a bottom end watch, I would have rather have seen make it to the next generation.
This is Google's (partners)first misstep in this underrated market. They should have dragged both of these watches through another (optional) upgrade cycle.
So its come to this, we compare marketing of two similar products aimed at the same potential customers, and Apple fanatics call copy to a montage of real world and exciting examples of their(not your) product being used.
Ironically all I thought was poor value devices to both. I miss Bill buying shoes.
Android finally gets EXT4 support in Marshmallow to provide real and wonderful dupport for SDCards, and suddenly Ubuntu goes ZFS. There may be many advantages with ZFS. Matching that of the worlds largest OS doesn't hurt
Ok I love the idea of a having a phone where I can choose the bits that are important to me. I will buy one of these phones, assuming they can sort out the cost issues(and get it to work)
What I would be more interested in is parts being interchangeable with a chromebook, although I would want mine to be running debian(based!?) distribution. Hell I think a computer with parts that fit together like sticklebricks is my dream.
I dislike most of Apples hardware choices. Ignoring the fact that say that ZIP drives where pushed by apple. CD and Floppy where sacrificed for weight...actually moved to external caddies, which is where they should be, as they were (increasingly) occasional use devices. My CD\DVD still gets utilised in my computer and I lament there was never a local;cheap;large enough;versatile;small replacement to replace it,Cloud and USB are better in their own ways, but not a real replacement. My ever growing raided hard drive storage is simply burning electricity, and my fear of losing everything grows.
This happens online a lot. It's bad, it's stupid, most of us oppose it, but as GamerGate shows, it can do real harm.
This is nothing Like GamerGate which was as much about an educated woman calling a routinely demonised group a bunch of cunts...over and over again with a convoluted version of feminism for money championed by the verge...again.(There was some shit about that woman making a game about depression(Good for her) that got maybe more credit than it deserved, which I am really not sure about(Game about depression even if like a simple choice game is cool) and a sex scandal which I love...but nobody got and clearly by my description neither did I).
This is about making changes to the OS that are viewed as unpopular...ribbonbar, real names in youtube, removing reatures from nautilus. Gnome Shell, the list is endless.
This is entirely to do with breaking something popular; something that worked well. In truth I think pulseaudio is wonderful...but I haven't forgotten the breakages for many, even if the fault laid elsewhere(Ubuntu and Audio) drivers. I am pretty ambivalent about systemd, but I understand why *faster* startup is important. Overall my experience is better for Lennart, but again this is not about Open source, but major changes/regressions for little gains...worthwhile only historically. It pisses people off.
This really raises questions why Apple under Jobs an obvious competitor can release irreparably faulty(Antergate,Bendgate...a little thanks to Verge, Camera problems) buggy products and have it defended, Releasing Buggy/Incomplete Products(Maps/iOS8) or even slowing down products that worked to unworkable(every version of iOS on every iPhone)
Maybe the real problem is Marketing or transparency or community involvement whatever stops the users(Developers) feeling helpless (Jobs would smile in a turtleneck and say you don't want those droids) to being forced to suffer major inconveniences. I object to Lennart kicking back at what seems like an ungrateful community(sic), but really its a cry for support in an area he (and Mr Cook) don't have.
That said what a man.
So it's a hype?
Who would have thought that!
Ironically this is all about Public relations and nothing about the truth, and nobody thinks its apple can tell the truth anymore.. Apples standard to simply lie about everything from taxies to white plastic to antennas to how there devices should be used.If finally catching up with them.
I look forward to the truth coming out.
I am an Android user
Me too, and I think that the fact that I have a 5.5" Phone in my pocked that cost a third the price of the iPhone, and in every way is better. Screams otherwise. I like my music Bass heavy and headphones to look good...like my phone, hell I could use the money I save by not buying an Apple.