LOL! Don't worry - I am not the typical bitchy female type - infact I do like working with men better because they work together in teams and get the job done. I just get a bit angry when people say that females are incapable of being as GOOd or better than men at anything, that's all:)
I really hate that everybody here is assuming that ALL women are dumber than ALL men in these types of courses! I have done half a mechanical engineering degree and I passed EVERY damn course! My next door neighbour is doing the same course and he has failed subjects! I knew another man who failed a subject as well! Why does EVERYONE here think that women MUST be dumber than men for! I am certainly NOT stupid! I just got my forklift ticket yesterday, and I am going to do a pre mechanic 6 month course next month too! Attitudes that persist on this website will NOT do any good for any women considering entering those fields! I can pull apart electronic things and tvs and cars too! Whoopie BLOODY DO!!! It's not hard you know! Stop your egotistical MEN ARE BETTER AT EVERYTHING attitude, and then you might ALL wake up to yourselves!
Why can't this world realise that if you are unable to think for yourself, or walk or talk or even function properly - that you would rather be better off DEAD!
For anyone who is interested in ending, say, their lives due to a terminal illness or whatever the case may be, we already have a doctor in Australia (as you all know, he did the world's first legal euthanasia here).
All of these medicines (including antidepressants too let me add), DONT make things any better - they just make you into zombies who are forced to live through numerous side effects without allowing to speak out! I would start protesting at all the pharmaceutical drug companies first, and if anyone is interested in having a look at the DSM-IV-TR book I "burnt" using photoshop - here it is - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dsmbook.gif
Re:It's not like they EVER landed there anyway!
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like where now - did i hear a hollywood studio! hey how come Neil Armstrong has NEVER given a real interview on how he "landed" on the moon? come ON you idiot! the government could tell you WHAT the damn hell it wants to tell you! they could have gotten lots of sand from anywhere - its the same basis as believing in religion - it's like - OH i believe in god JUST because all of these little books and priests told me its TRUE!
gawsh!
It's not like they EVER landed there anyway!
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Hey come ON! They didn't even land on the moon in the first place - if they DID infact land on the moon on July 20, 1969, then WHY the hell HAVEN'T they been back there YET?
If you are stupid enough to believe that we did land on the moon in the first place, you should go and get a life! This time around, they will run out of funding anyway, and they are only saying it because China WILL beat them there first - genuinely! America is just a DYING world power, and everybody knows that now - you idiots!
hey YA! ive ALSO seen this EXACT tape SEVERAL dozen times! i have watched BOTH the Fahrenheit 911 and the Alex Jones documentary (im not sure if that was the 'in Plane Sight' doco or not)..
i mean come ON im not stupid enough to say this is "new" footage - do the americans think we are THAT stupid! just watch these damn docos and you TOO will see the "plane" (oops i mean missle) go into the pentagon, AND you will ALSO see that the COLOUR of the planes are INFACT GREY! yes, in one of these docos, they zoom into the plane, and you can clearly see that they are military big jets NOT commerical liners.
we ALL know the americans THEMSELVES set this WHOLE thing up, just in order to scare their own people and "justify" a war on iraq.
i just wish people werent so damn stupid and wake up to themselves in the future!!!!!!!
Re:Speaking of bugle/brass music overplaying...
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LOl sorry about that - Wreath's not reefs!! thank you for pointing that out my GAWD! lol
ummm a bugle is nearly the SAME as a trumpet.
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The only difference between a bugle and a trumpet is that a trumpet has valves and a trumpet doesn't! Both instruments require the EXACT same pitching and embouchure required for both! They are eXACTLY the same to play, same pitching and everything! The only notes you can get on the bugle are the SAME open valved notes that are on a trumpet!
How do I know?? I've been playing brass instruments since I was 10 years old - so thats a good 13 years that I've been playing mauahahah!
Speaking of bugle/brass music overplaying...
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Our brass band was only just playing at our Anzac day service, and RIGHT when we were going to play the reef laying music, the audio guy SUDDENLY decided to play the DAMN music! Instead of a REAL band playing that music, he decided to just press the play button, and we stood there in surprise! That was a pretty low moment, because later on, one of our band guys said the day we won't be needed is the day they have like robots playing and doing the street march LOL!
Btw, we have plenty of brass players and trumpeter's/buglers here, so we can play our "Last Post" easily if needed.
wanna bet!!! how do you know that its a damn efficient method! how can zapping volts upon volts of electricity to your head be effective! they dont even know what areas to zap - it is used as a last resort - there isnt any proof that it makes anything better! why dont you go and get some ECT treatment and see if it works IDIOT!
ya well how come they didn't KEEP it like they used to make it then for? at least this live thing is WAYYYYYY better than it used to be - where you had to click through like five pages just to open an attachment.. oh well we can't rewind time now...
I signed up to use the hotmail live beta, and it takes FOREVER to reload the screen.. gmail refreshes just about instantly..
Also, I can't even see my folders - after using hotmail live for about a minute, the folders section is reduced to about 1mm in size.... also, when you are reading EVERY email, there is an AD right next to the email reading window - and so you are forced to read that stupid ad with every email that you read...
msn/hotmail live SUX! they are just trying badly to copy gmail! maybe their servers are clogged up or something to explain the bad refresh speed...
Why can't slashdot invent a script or some kind of software that ACTUaLLY checks when the SAME story has been posted already before? It's an obvious solution to ALLL of these dupes on this website? They should have a spellcheck, and have some sort of program that detects i.e. the same title and/or story that has been posted before, and it should check the entire database for the previous year so that this website is WAYYYYY more efficient in its articles! I really really really hope somebody responds to this:)
hey you guys! one guy posted that you have to register in order to read the experts exchange website > no you don't!
All you have to do is scroll down and scroll down the page, past all of the ads, and THEN the thread starts! I don't really think they are "experts" if all you do to read the thread is to just scroll down the entire page - pretty STUPID to me!
also, one last thing on 'real search questions'.. i think MS and that are trying to match your question theory with an answer - most websites don't really PUT the question first - they usually just give you the answer - that is why searching is so difficult.. if websites had more text on them, and they actually wrote questions and answers on them, then searching might be a tiny bit easier. I hope that webmasters out there should be more conscious of what phrases, questions and answers that they write on their website. hopefully that might improve searching a WHOLE lot better!
hey - you know that you CAN read the answers on experts exchange! just keep scrolling and scrolling PAST all the ads, and then RIGHT down the bottom is where the thread starts!
you don't have to pay for a DAMN thing!:) good stuff
I could pick that this was an April Fool's day joke as soon as it turned colour. Anyway, I think more people will just be more confused by the pink rather than having a supposed effect of having more girls like me read this website for only ONE day!
Anyway, I would also rather solder circuits, fix cars and computers as well than play with some stupid pink pony or barbie dolls ANYDAY!
I think you should permanently change the front colours to something like purple or dark blue on the front so that this website doesn't look so damn CRAPPY! It's like SO early 90's web design LOL!
Ok - so WHO has come out of the closest now that you have all read it in pink LOL
This is even MORE proof of clashing frequencies that makes humans sick! If you were born with perfect pitch, all it takes is one person to sing OUT of tune, and then they will vomit! I have been a musician most of my life, and this phoenomenon has already occurred in a friend that I know. This guy - when he was a child, had to sing in the preschool singing class or whatever they were doing. Anyway, the second that the kids were all singing FLAT, he spewed up! So this guy has been VERY sensitive to sound frequencies his entire life! I am sure that thousands, if not millions of people have been given NATURAL perfect pitch! Why do you think that YOU also feel a bit sick in the guts when somebody sings or a musical instrument is OUT of tune! You can pick up the WAVES simply by hearing that it is out of tune. If a note is sharp, you can hear the sound oscillate faster - if it is flat, you can hear it oscillate slower.
This has been solved - this article is PURE genuine!
QED!
I am a bit sensitive to frequencies and computers at times, particularly because I am on antipsychotic medication. Once, I was staring at a computer for 16 hours straight (which isn't a good thing to do for anybody lol), but after that, I took my medicine, went to bed - and then suddenly EVERYTHING started to go red in my sight - bit by bit until the whole room was red! Anyway this resulted in my body going a bit weird and chaotic, and it started a major panic attack.
When I do get a major panic attack, I get VERY sensitive to electricity - so much that EVERY piece of metal that I touch - I can PHYSICALLY feel it zap me! This ALWAYS happens when I get a panic attack, and I have to sit out my panic attack until I can touch metal away. I already know a person who is allergic to metal - but all of this isn't JUST metal - it is frequency caused as well. Autistic people (some of them) have really sensitive hearing, and they CAN hear CRT's and capacitors and whatnot. I have NO idea why everybody is refusing to believe this story but there MUST be more research done on affects of frequencies in humans! Everything we hear is a frequency, our brain works with electricity - so it makes ultimate COMMON sense to me!
They haven't even PROVED the moon landing yet! I am sorry but I am still a believer in the moon hoax!
Also, I really do think the world will destroy itself before we even THINK of terraforming Mars! If we are killing each other over a DAMN cartoon, and shooting your friend instead of a DAMN QUAIL, there is REALLY NO hope to leave Earth forever!
Come ON!
I'm sick of designing pages that don't work in one browser and work perfectly in another one. I think they still have to work on table sizes and css to make me happy...
I am female, have done half a degree in mechanical engineering, however my brain packed it in during that year at a tute. I was stuck on a crank handle question, and my brain froze. As a result of wanting to answer this question, I forced my brain to spin more difficult shapes in my head, and as a result, I started to suffer MAJOR panic disorder. On the night that I forced my brain to overthink my natural limits, I could suddenly do ALL of the Mohr's circle's questions and MORE! I have always been a tomboy, but on this day I was EVEN more male-minded. BTW, I ended up in the psych ward TWICE because my brain went over its limit (ie panic disorder THEN I got NATURAL psychosis!! - read here for details if you DONT believe me! http://www.psychopanic.com/psychosis.php ).
Anyway my long point is, is that I am a Rare female because I think like a male. I love tinkering around with cars, bikes, electronics, and heaps of things that MOVE! I have NEVER given a shit about any guys saying I can't do anything because I am a female - because that situation has NEVER happened! I am ALWAYS willing to learn, and if you ask a guy a question about something WITHOUT twisting your hair in your fingers TRYING TO GET SEXUAL ATTENTION, then you will go a LONG WAY IN LIFE!! I absolutely LOVEEEEEEEE maths, physics and all sorts of STUFF! I have also completed Cert.2 and 3 in I.T as well! People always tell me that I am the "rose amongst the thorns"! I have even started to compose piano and brass band music as well!
Not bad for a "girl".. aah YEAH! I love MY male brain!!!
OMG OMG!! That's the song "Alice's Restaurant" Written and performed by Arlo Guthrie! Woohoo! It goes for 15 minutes and it's a war protest song! Wow - now I've got that song in my head.. aah yeah.. couldn't hear it without DOWNLOADING that song off the net anyway tsk tsk!!!!
AMEN to you TheSkepticalOptimist! I couldn't have explained it in any BETTER way! Don't worry, I think most people (I hope) have noticed for years and years now of this trend to publish stuff saying that 'this is good for you', and then 'this other thing is good for you too' etc, even though they are not good for you at all!
I just feel sorry for the poor people who come out with all of these STUPID statistics day after day! What is the use of statistics anyway? All a statistical survey does is only conduct an experiment on about 1,000 people usually. After that, they release this article saying 'Smoking pot regularly IS good for you'. Just like you said, nobody reads the fact that they HARDLY even had anyone in the survey/study. I just wish it would be compulsory for a study to have at LEAST one million people in it, to give it a more "true" picture of the result as compared to say a country's population of 20million.
Having a survey saying that "33% of people like Bush", is pretty silly because only 600 people (or so just an example) were SURVEYED? I thought the USA had at LEAST 300 million people in it! I just wish in the future that all of these dud statistical figures were made by surveying at LEAST one million people instead of a measley 500-1000 people.
George W. Bush bows down to MS, revamps peanut brains in all of MS staff..
Re:Houston, we have a busted/confirmed myth
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Hehhe you got that right brother! I have seen that moon landing hoax video, and after watching it, I am just as convinced as you, if not more that we did NOT reach the moon! There have been other people as well (not just slashy readers), questioning WHY nobody ELSE has landed on the moon yet? Why is there 36 year gap from now until then with NO moon landings? It is quite interesting actually. Infact I would bet that China will be THE first REAL people to land on the moon in the next 10 to 15 years or so.
Just one silly fact that I thought I might add in - in grade 8 (1996), there were still books in the library saying that we are GOING to land on mars in the year 2000 (complete with colour pictures illustrating the fact). Geez, it's kinda silly that THAT mission isn't going to happen for at LEAST the next 500 years!
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LOL! Don't worry - I am not the typical bitchy female type - infact I do like working with men better because they work together in teams and get the job done. I just get a bit angry when people say that females are incapable of being as GOOd or better than men at anything, that's all :)
I really hate that everybody here is assuming that ALL women are dumber than ALL men in these types of courses! I have done half a mechanical engineering degree and I passed EVERY damn course! My next door neighbour is doing the same course and he has failed subjects! I knew another man who failed a subject as well! Why does EVERYONE here think that women MUST be dumber than men for! I am certainly NOT stupid! I just got my forklift ticket yesterday, and I am going to do a pre mechanic 6 month course next month too! Attitudes that persist on this website will NOT do any good for any women considering entering those fields! I can pull apart electronic things and tvs and cars too! Whoopie BLOODY DO!!! It's not hard you know! Stop your egotistical MEN ARE BETTER AT EVERYTHING attitude, and then you might ALL wake up to yourselves!
Why can't this world realise that if you are unable to think for yourself, or walk or talk or even function properly - that you would rather be better off DEAD!
For anyone who is interested in ending, say, their lives due to a terminal illness or whatever the case may be, we already have a doctor in Australia (as you all know, he did the world's first legal euthanasia here).
The website is here >> http://www.exitinternational.net/
The contact page here >>> http://www.exitinternational.net/contact.htm
All of these medicines (including antidepressants too let me add), DONT make things any better - they just make you into zombies who are forced to live through numerous side effects without allowing to speak out! I would start protesting at all the pharmaceutical drug companies first, and if anyone is interested in having a look at the DSM-IV-TR book I "burnt" using photoshop - here it is - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dsmbook.gif
like where now - did i hear a hollywood studio! hey how come Neil Armstrong has NEVER given a real interview on how he "landed" on the moon? come ON you idiot! the government could tell you WHAT the damn hell it wants to tell you! they could have gotten lots of sand from anywhere - its the same basis as believing in religion - it's like - OH i believe in god JUST because all of these little books and priests told me its TRUE!
gawsh!
Hey come ON! They didn't even land on the moon in the first place - if they DID infact land on the moon on July 20, 1969, then WHY the hell HAVEN'T they been back there YET?
If you are stupid enough to believe that we did land on the moon in the first place, you should go and get a life! This time around, they will run out of funding anyway, and they are only saying it because China WILL beat them there first - genuinely! America is just a DYING world power, and everybody knows that now - you idiots!
hey YA! ive ALSO seen this EXACT tape SEVERAL dozen times! i have watched BOTH the Fahrenheit 911 and the Alex Jones documentary (im not sure if that was the 'in Plane Sight' doco or not)..
i mean come ON im not stupid enough to say this is "new" footage - do the americans think we are THAT stupid! just watch these damn docos and you TOO will see the "plane" (oops i mean missle) go into the pentagon, AND you will ALSO see that the COLOUR of the planes are INFACT GREY! yes, in one of these docos, they zoom into the plane, and you can clearly see that they are military big jets NOT commerical liners.
we ALL know the americans THEMSELVES set this WHOLE thing up, just in order to scare their own people and "justify" a war on iraq.
i just wish people werent so damn stupid and wake up to themselves in the future!!!!!!!
LOl sorry about that - Wreath's not reefs!! thank you for pointing that out my GAWD! lol
The only difference between a bugle and a trumpet is that a trumpet has valves and a trumpet doesn't! Both instruments require the EXACT same pitching and embouchure required for both! They are eXACTLY the same to play, same pitching and everything! The only notes you can get on the bugle are the SAME open valved notes that are on a trumpet!
How do I know?? I've been playing brass instruments since I was 10 years old - so thats a good 13 years that I've been playing mauahahah!
Our brass band was only just playing at our Anzac day service, and RIGHT when we were going to play the reef laying music, the audio guy SUDDENLY decided to play the DAMN music! Instead of a REAL band playing that music, he decided to just press the play button, and we stood there in surprise! That was a pretty low moment, because later on, one of our band guys said the day we won't be needed is the day they have like robots playing and doing the street march LOL!
Btw, we have plenty of brass players and trumpeter's/buglers here, so we can play our "Last Post" easily if needed.
wanna bet!!! how do you know that its a damn efficient method! how can zapping volts upon volts of electricity to your head be effective! they dont even know what areas to zap - it is used as a last resort - there isnt any proof that it makes anything better! why dont you go and get some ECT treatment and see if it works IDIOT!
ya well how come they didn't KEEP it like they used to make it then for? at least this live thing is WAYYYYYY better than it used to be - where you had to click through like five pages just to open an attachment.. oh well we can't rewind time now...
I signed up to use the hotmail live beta, and it takes FOREVER to reload the screen.. gmail refreshes just about instantly..
Also, I can't even see my folders - after using hotmail live for about a minute, the folders section is reduced to about 1mm in size.... also, when you are reading EVERY email, there is an AD right next to the email reading window - and so you are forced to read that stupid ad with every email that you read...
msn/hotmail live SUX! they are just trying badly to copy gmail! maybe their servers are clogged up or something to explain the bad refresh speed...
Why can't slashdot invent a script or some kind of software that ACTUaLLY checks when the SAME story has been posted already before? It's an obvious solution to ALLL of these dupes on this website? They should have a spellcheck, and have some sort of program that detects i.e. the same title and/or story that has been posted before, and it should check the entire database for the previous year so that this website is WAYYYYY more efficient in its articles! I really really really hope somebody responds to this :)
hey you guys! one guy posted that you have to register in order to read the experts exchange website > no you don't!
All you have to do is scroll down and scroll down the page, past all of the ads, and THEN the thread starts! I don't really think they are "experts" if all you do to read the thread is to just scroll down the entire page - pretty STUPID to me!
also, one last thing on 'real search questions'.. i think MS and that are trying to match your question theory with an answer - most websites don't really PUT the question first - they usually just give you the answer - that is why searching is so difficult.. if websites had more text on them, and they actually wrote questions and answers on them, then searching might be a tiny bit easier. I hope that webmasters out there should be more conscious of what phrases, questions and answers that they write on their website. hopefully that might improve searching a WHOLE lot better!
Go Orion search!
hey - you know that you CAN read the answers on experts exchange! just keep scrolling and scrolling PAST all the ads, and then RIGHT down the bottom is where the thread starts!
:) good stuff
you don't have to pay for a DAMN thing!
I could pick that this was an April Fool's day joke as soon as it turned colour. Anyway, I think more people will just be more confused by the pink rather than having a supposed effect of having more girls like me read this website for only ONE day! Anyway, I would also rather solder circuits, fix cars and computers as well than play with some stupid pink pony or barbie dolls ANYDAY! I think you should permanently change the front colours to something like purple or dark blue on the front so that this website doesn't look so damn CRAPPY! It's like SO early 90's web design LOL! Ok - so WHO has come out of the closest now that you have all read it in pink LOL
This is even MORE proof of clashing frequencies that makes humans sick! If you were born with perfect pitch, all it takes is one person to sing OUT of tune, and then they will vomit! I have been a musician most of my life, and this phoenomenon has already occurred in a friend that I know. This guy - when he was a child, had to sing in the preschool singing class or whatever they were doing. Anyway, the second that the kids were all singing FLAT, he spewed up! So this guy has been VERY sensitive to sound frequencies his entire life! I am sure that thousands, if not millions of people have been given NATURAL perfect pitch! Why do you think that YOU also feel a bit sick in the guts when somebody sings or a musical instrument is OUT of tune! You can pick up the WAVES simply by hearing that it is out of tune. If a note is sharp, you can hear the sound oscillate faster - if it is flat, you can hear it oscillate slower. This has been solved - this article is PURE genuine! QED!
I am a bit sensitive to frequencies and computers at times, particularly because I am on antipsychotic medication. Once, I was staring at a computer for 16 hours straight (which isn't a good thing to do for anybody lol), but after that, I took my medicine, went to bed - and then suddenly EVERYTHING started to go red in my sight - bit by bit until the whole room was red! Anyway this resulted in my body going a bit weird and chaotic, and it started a major panic attack. When I do get a major panic attack, I get VERY sensitive to electricity - so much that EVERY piece of metal that I touch - I can PHYSICALLY feel it zap me! This ALWAYS happens when I get a panic attack, and I have to sit out my panic attack until I can touch metal away. I already know a person who is allergic to metal - but all of this isn't JUST metal - it is frequency caused as well. Autistic people (some of them) have really sensitive hearing, and they CAN hear CRT's and capacitors and whatnot. I have NO idea why everybody is refusing to believe this story but there MUST be more research done on affects of frequencies in humans! Everything we hear is a frequency, our brain works with electricity - so it makes ultimate COMMON sense to me!
They haven't even PROVED the moon landing yet! I am sorry but I am still a believer in the moon hoax! Also, I really do think the world will destroy itself before we even THINK of terraforming Mars! If we are killing each other over a DAMN cartoon, and shooting your friend instead of a DAMN QUAIL, there is REALLY NO hope to leave Earth forever! Come ON!
I'm sick of designing pages that don't work in one browser and work perfectly in another one. I think they still have to work on table sizes and css to make me happy...
I am female, have done half a degree in mechanical engineering, however my brain packed it in during that year at a tute. I was stuck on a crank handle question, and my brain froze. As a result of wanting to answer this question, I forced my brain to spin more difficult shapes in my head, and as a result, I started to suffer MAJOR panic disorder. On the night that I forced my brain to overthink my natural limits, I could suddenly do ALL of the Mohr's circle's questions and MORE! I have always been a tomboy, but on this day I was EVEN more male-minded. BTW, I ended up in the psych ward TWICE because my brain went over its limit (ie panic disorder THEN I got NATURAL psychosis!! - read here for details if you DONT believe me! http://www.psychopanic.com/psychosis.php ).
Anyway my long point is, is that I am a Rare female because I think like a male. I love tinkering around with cars, bikes, electronics, and heaps of things that MOVE! I have NEVER given a shit about any guys saying I can't do anything because I am a female - because that situation has NEVER happened! I am ALWAYS willing to learn, and if you ask a guy a question about something WITHOUT twisting your hair in your fingers TRYING TO GET SEXUAL ATTENTION, then you will go a LONG WAY IN LIFE!! I absolutely LOVEEEEEEEE maths, physics and all sorts of STUFF! I have also completed Cert.2 and 3 in I.T as well! People always tell me that I am the "rose amongst the thorns"! I have even started to compose piano and brass band music as well!
Not bad for a "girl".. aah YEAH! I love MY male brain!!!OMG OMG!! That's the song "Alice's Restaurant" Written and performed by Arlo Guthrie! Woohoo! It goes for 15 minutes and it's a war protest song! Wow - now I've got that song in my head.. aah yeah.. couldn't hear it without DOWNLOADING that song off the net anyway tsk tsk!!!!
I just feel sorry for the poor people who come out with all of these STUPID statistics day after day! What is the use of statistics anyway? All a statistical survey does is only conduct an experiment on about 1,000 people usually. After that, they release this article saying 'Smoking pot regularly IS good for you'. Just like you said, nobody reads the fact that they HARDLY even had anyone in the survey/study. I just wish it would be compulsory for a study to have at LEAST one million people in it, to give it a more "true" picture of the result as compared to say a country's population of 20million.
Having a survey saying that "33% of people like Bush", is pretty silly because only 600 people (or so just an example) were SURVEYED? I thought the USA had at LEAST 300 million people in it! I just wish in the future that all of these dud statistical figures were made by surveying at LEAST one million people instead of a measley 500-1000 people.
George W. Bush bows down to MS, revamps peanut brains in all of MS staff..
Hehhe you got that right brother! I have seen that moon landing hoax video, and after watching it, I am just as convinced as you, if not more that we did NOT reach the moon! There have been other people as well (not just slashy readers), questioning WHY nobody ELSE has landed on the moon yet? Why is there 36 year gap from now until then with NO moon landings? It is quite interesting actually. Infact I would bet that China will be THE first REAL people to land on the moon in the next 10 to 15 years or so.
Just one silly fact that I thought I might add in - in grade 8 (1996), there were still books in the library saying that we are GOING to land on mars in the year 2000 (complete with colour pictures illustrating the fact). Geez, it's kinda silly that THAT mission isn't going to happen for at LEAST the next 500 years!