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Caffeine Prevents Liver Disease

DC Jeff writes "The Washington Post reports that drinking two cups of coffee or tea daily may reduce the risk of liver disease. From the article: 'The study of nearly 10,000 people showed that those who drank more than two cups of coffee or tea per day developed chronic liver disease at half the rate of those who drank less than one cup each day.'"

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  1. Sod That! by ackthpt · · Score: 0

    "The Washington Post reports that drinking two cups of coffee or tea daily may reduce the risk of liver disease.

    There goes the price of a cuppa and my afternoon tea.

    We'll all be healthy and alert. Positively jumping with pep, vim and vigor. Ready to take on whatever the day throws our way, right? The only problem is the body compensates for caffeine and after the first dose it has a lesser impact. I can atest to nodding off with an empty coffee mug in front of me. Who knows, thought, it could explain the bit about the englishmen going out in the noon-day sun.

    It's a bit thin on detail. I wonder why caffeinated sodas aren't mentioned. You could be trading your teeth for a healthier liver, right? Too bad George Best didn't know about this sooner. This should bode well for the market of caffeinated beer.

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    1. Re:Sod That! by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "You could be trading your teeth for a healthier liver, right?"

      And, hey, teeth are relatively easy to replace. No organ donor is even required.

    2. Re:Sod That! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Positively jumping with pep, vim and vigor"

      I use EMACS, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:Sod That! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      All that Mt. Dew Will finally pay off!

    4. Re:Sod That! by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This should bode well for the market of caffeinated beer.
      Sentance #1 from TFA: Coffee and tea may reduce the risk of serious liver damage in people who drink too much alcohol, are overweight or have too much iron in the blood, researchers reported yesterday.

      Anyways, I'm not sure caffeinated beer is a good idea. Generally speaking, unless you're really partying hard, your motor skills and level of consciousness decline as your BAC goes up... preventing alcohol poisoning. If you throw a stimulant into the mix, it might keep you drinking well past the point where you should be on the floor & passed out.
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    5. Re:Sod That! by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you throw a stimulant into the mix, it might keep you drinking well past the point where you should be on the floor & passed out.

      I honestly believe piling the blood with a plethrora of substances doesn't eventually do a body good. I've been utterly strung out on so much caffeine, from the days I worked 16-18 hour days for months straight, I slept fitfully and effectively went through detox every weekend, before starting again on Monday. I went through a pound of coffee a week at that time. I certainly didn't feel any better for it.

      Mostly I limit my pints and if I'm wobbly afoot, I sit down and drink water until I feel clearer of head. Also helps reduce the chance and serverity of hangovers.

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    6. Re:Sod That! by DrFrob · · Score: 1

      Actually, I had been thinking about trying to brew a coffee stout. So it sounds like a damn good idea now.

    7. Re:Sod That! by ender- · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sentance #1 from TFA: Coffee and tea may reduce the risk of serious liver damage in people who drink too much alcohol,

      Of course, they could just stop drinking so much alcohol...

    8. Re:Sod That! by fiendy · · Score: 1

      We already have this solution in Canada, not that it is a very good beer. http://www.molsonkick.ca/product.php?LANG=en

    9. Re:Sod That! by geoffspear · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Why don't you try working 18 hour days for a month withoutcaffeine, and then come back and tell us if you really think it was the caffeine that wasn't doing your body any good.

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    10. Re:Sod That! by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      If you throw a stimulant into the mix, it might keep you drinking well past the point where you should be on the floor & passed out.

      Back when I was young and foolish (Funny, isn't it, how often the two terms are associated?) I used to like to drink a shot of tequilla backed up with Mexican Coffee. (Like Irish, but using tequilla instead of Irish whiskey.) The booze got me drunk and the coffee got me wired. Very strange, and the hangovers tended to be horrendous.

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    11. Re:Sod That! by Hard_Code · · Score: 1

      Yeah, for some reason a hyperactive drunk doesn't sound like a good idea.

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    12. Re:Sod That! by Yocto+Yotta · · Score: 1

      "It's a bit thin on detail. I wonder why caffeinated sodas aren't mentioned. You could be trading your teeth for a healthier liver, right? Too bad George Best didn't know about this sooner. This should bode well for the market of caffeinated beer."

      Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with caffeine, but instead other active agents in coffee (which are conveniently not listed in the article).

      The article also says, "Coffee and tea may reduce the risk of serious liver damage in people who drink too much alcohol, are overweight or have too much iron in the blood, researchers reported yesterday . . .", so unless you're fatty fat fat, a lush, or do whatever the hell a person would have to do to have too much iron in their blood, it won't help you much as the article implies. But coffee does do this (warning, blatent bragging of accepted story submission intended).

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    13. Re:Sod That! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, since nobody has posted already about this, when working in the dot com boom I also would party very hard. Of an evening up to a liter of vodka, and many many uppers (read proper uppers not caffeine). I could stay up for days at a time, down side was I had week long hangovers with special consequences. These were like I couldn't physically move for being ill, not even to change position in bed.

      These days I have maybe a cup of coffee in a day if I really want to and maybe some wine in the evening, and now I can think clearer.

    14. Re:Sod That! by bytesmythe · · Score: 1

      do whatever the hell a person would have to do to have too much iron in their blood

      You just have to be slightly unlucky. One disease that causes this is called hemochromatosis, which is the most common single gene defect in the West. My dad has it, and it has caused him large number of problems, such as diabetes and cirhosis. It also causes heart problems, arthritis, and a host of other maladies.

      Funnily, the treatment is regular bleeding. Unfortunately, it can't really repair the damage that has already been done.

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    15. Re:Sod That! by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. Slow down people! Everyone's automatically assuming that caffine is the key ingredient here. Yet no one has yet made the connection that both Coffee and Black Tea also contain copious quantities of Tannic Acid. Soda pops such as Coca Cola, Pepsi, and RC also share this characteristic. For all we know, they could do a study next week that finds drinking 32oz of Cola per day has the same "health" effect.

      From the sound of this article, this was probably a preliminary study. i.e. They surveyed 10,000 people to get their responses, established that some effect was beating the statistical odds, then published their results. From here they will try to get funding to do more thorough studies, and potentially isolate the exact compound responsible for the statistical difference.

    16. Re:Sod That! by menkhaura · · Score: 1

      Why don't these researchers go after the mechanisms that leads to liver diseases and exactly what substances in tea/coffe prevent those diseases? Coffee-drinkers tend to be smokers also, or stay up longer, or have more regular schedules, whatever (not that any of these things are necessarily true, I'm just trying to make a point here). Why is it necessarily coffee or tea that helps prevent liver diseases? How exactly do these beverages prevent liver diseases? What chemical reactions take place with (or are prevented by) those drinks?

      In other news, researchers confirmed: water causes cancer. In 2004, 100% of all people who died of cancer drank water daily since early childhood.

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    17. Re:Sod That! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      If you throw a stimulant into the mix, it might keep you drinking well past the point where you should be on the floor & passed out.


      no worries, i've got a supply of roofies if she tries to get clever
    18. Re:Sod That! by spike+hay · · Score: 1

      They already have caffeinated energy drinks in the form of Sparks (absolutely disgusting). A problem with caffeiene and alcohol is that both are duiretics. That will make for a much worse hangover.

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    19. Re:Sod That! by imstanny · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Exactly; Correlation and causation are 2 different things.

      Even if there is a positive correlation (those that drink more coffee tend to have less cancer) that does Not mean that coffee is that catalyst in reducing cancer. Maybe those that are genetically less likely to get cancer share a trait where they also have a predisposed liking for caffeine.

    20. Re:Sod That! by Archades54 · · Score: 1

      well if they're stupid enough to keep drinking, its just darwinism in effect. binge drinkers deserve health problems, nuff said. drunk people whilst most are happy and calm, some do fuck it up, by well, driving into ppl or fighting all the time. in fact most drunk ppl piss me off, u wanna fight, go take on a tiger. dont abuse the cab driver that drove ur drunk ass to the shop, respect him, or walk. just my 2 cents

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  2. Caffeeine bonus by chunews · · Score: 5, Funny

    Plus, they were able to become the First Poster, at nearly twice the rate!

    1. Re:Caffeeine bonus by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny
      Plus, they were able to become the First Poster, at nearly twice the rate!

      Jj-just l-lay o-off, k-k'?

      Now in the Health Food Aisle: Jolt!

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    2. Re:Caffeeine bonus by ppff · · Score: 0

      You guys are really off-topic. By the way, I guess a lot of programmers won't get liver disease ;)

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    3. Re:Caffeeine bonus by jgionet · · Score: 1

      right on! my coffee stocks just went up! woohoo

  3. That's because..... by N8F8 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The other folks are drinking booze instead.

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    1. Re:That's because..... by ppff · · Score: 0

      You have a funny signature.

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    2. Re:That's because..... by Walsfeo · · Score: 1

      That is what I was going to say! Assuming a constant of liquid intake, if people add in booze and correspondingly reduce other liquid intake, then they are going to put more strain on their body. Though really I suspect that any increase of water intake would be good for all of your internal bits - heart, liver, kidneys - pure water would be better than caffeine laced energy drinks like coffee, tea, or Red Bull.

  4. Sweet! by 1984 · · Score: 4, Funny

    My four Diet Cokes during the day should balance the 12 beers each evening.

    1. Re:Sweet! by plover · · Score: 2

      With all the Mountain Dew I drink I should have enough protection to go around for about 12 livers.

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    2. Re:Sweet! by ZeroExistenZ · · Score: 1

      Ah, but that combination comes with free cancer instead.

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    3. Re:Sweet! by Hard_Code · · Score: 1

      Only because you are health conscious and choose "diet" coke.

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    4. Re:Sweet! by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      With all the Mountain Dew I drink I should have enough protection to go around for about 12 livers.

      Bear in mind, the study doesn't say they isolated it strictly to the caffeine; just tea/coffee -- nothing in TFA said they had conclusively identified it as caffeine per se.

      There could be all sorts of compounds which occur in tea/coffee which do not occur in your sodas (anti-oxidant compounds come to mine). The extra gunk/sugars in your Mountain Dew could be trashing your liver/stomach at a more alarming rate.

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    5. Re:Sweet! by plover · · Score: 2, Funny
      And seeing as how I don't have exactly 12 livers ...

      I don't think I'm actually going to count on Mountain Dew for any longevity properties, other than for the "copious amounts of fluids" I get from it. Right now, I'm mostly just a filter for Yellow dye #5. :-)

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    6. Re:Sweet! by jd0g85 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't a cycle of stimulants in the morning and depressants in the evening lead to depression? Maybe someone should go ask Elvis...

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    7. Re:Sweet! by DiGG3r · · Score: 1

      Thats why I drink Jager Bombers, caffine in the Red Bull counter acts the alcohol in Jagermeister. A perfect balance in drinking harmony.

  5. O Rly? by SilentOne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How many people in the study were killed off by high blood pressure before they had the chance to develop cancer?

    1. Re:O Rly? by ATeamMrT · · Score: 5, Insightful
      How many people in the study were killed off by high blood pressure before they had the chance to develop cancer?

      Good question!

      It seems that any industry can produce a study which says their product is healthy/benificial in some way. But they never tell you the adverse health effects. I would not be supprised if the tobacco industry would run a news story saying smoking decreased colon cancer by .0001% in the population. Too bad it would kill 100X as many from lung cancer.

      This reminds me of the 80's when everyone was saying how bad butter is, and to switch to margarine or die of a heart attack. 10 years later, researchers said margarine is unhealthy and butter is better. I remember the same debate about eggs, until some researcher enlightened us to good cholesterol. LOL, I guess it took someone to fly to France to watch 80 year old men eat eggs fried in butter before they asked "What's going on here".

      I am going to take my grandmothers advice, she is still alive in her 90's. She told me when I was young to get 8 good hours of sleep each night. Don't stay up past midnight, wake up early and ready for the new day. And everything is good in moderation, never take too much of anything. The only thing she said to avoid was smoke and drugs, and people who smoke or use drugs. The last bit of advice was that tomorrow is always a new day, no setback should foul your mood. It is pretty simple advice, but I think she was 100% correct.

    2. Re:O Rly? by Randall_Jones · · Score: 3, Informative

      caffeine generally only raises blood pressure temporarily, and regular coffee drinkers experience less of a blood pressure spike. http://www.ohiohealth.com/healthreference/referenc e/6488C9E0-4259-425B-975EDA39F3378760.htm?category =5171

    3. Re:O Rly? by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Misinterpreting statistics like these is incredibly easy. Did you know that taking large amounts of cyanide cuts the chances of you dying of cancer by 100%? And nuclear explosions make you immune to measles. After all, statistics show that nobody who has had a nuclear bomb drop on them has ever contracted measles afterwards. You can't argue with the numbers.

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    4. Re:O Rly? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your Grandma knew her classics: ...But though our present account is of this nature we must give what help we can. First, then, let us consider this, that it is the nature of such things to be destroyed by defect and excess, as we see in the case of strength and of health (for to gain light on things imperceptible we must use the evidence of sensible things); both excessive and defective exercise destroys the strength, and similarly drink or food which is above or below a certain amount destroys the health, while that which is proportionate both produces and increases and preserves it. So too is it, then, in the case of temperance and courage and the other virtues. For the man who flies from and fears everything and does not stand his ground against anything becomes a coward, and the man who fears nothing at all but goes to meet every danger becomes rash; and similarly the man who indulges in every pleasure and abstains from none becomes self-indulgent, while the man who shuns every pleasure, as boors do, becomes in a way insensible; temperance and courage, then, are destroyed by excess and defect, and preserved by the mean.

      --Aristotle, the Nicomachean Ethics.

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    5. Re:O Rly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woo! +5 Common Sense!

      In the end, you'll die anyway - obsessing over mortality just means you enjoy the trip that much less.

    6. Re:O Rly? by crabpeople · · Score: 1

      "I am going to take my grandmothers advice, she is still alive in her 90's" ... "The only thing she said to avoid was smoke and drugs, and people who smoke or use drugs"

      Its better to burn out then to fade away. Also, please discard your CD/record collection as most of that music wouldnt be around without the help of delicious delicious drugs. Im not saying living to 90 is bad, but if you havent woken up in a pool of your own vomit, on your front lawn, with a chick you dont even remember meeting, can you say you ever really lived...

      different strokes i guess

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    7. Re:O Rly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its better to burn out then to fade away.

      Sorry, I don't quite understand that - if you've already burned out, how can you fade away?

    8. Re:O Rly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trick is to listen to that music without creating it. See - a perfect combination: they have to suffer, I can use it!

    9. Re:O Rly? by ghislain_leblanc · · Score: 1

      - At first, they said fat makes you die, the French eat tons of cheese and don't seem to have health concerns like north-americans do;
      - Then, they said alcohol can kill you, Germans drink a lot, no problems there;
      - Also, sex could take your life away, Italians have lots of sex, most of them are healty.

      Bottom line: eat, drink, fuck all you like, it's speaking english thats fatal!

      (I'm french-canadian)

    10. Re:O Rly? by nofx_3 · · Score: 1

      There are actual many benefits from the nicotine in tabacco. Nicotine is thought to be a congnitive enchancer, and it is also thought to improve short term memory (so is barley, go figure...). Additionally it seems that nicotine may help prevent Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease. Additionally people with IBD and digestive problems such as Chrons Disease and Colitis claim that nicotine and tabacco use can help to prevent flareups and outbreaks. Of course the lung cancer is an issue, but if the nicotine could be manufactured in a safe manner it may have some medical uses which are being stymied due to the current method of ingestion.

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    11. Re:O Rly? by martinX · · Score: 1

      That's even better than just learning from other people's mistakes - you're actually benefitting from them too!

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    12. Re:O Rly? by martinX · · Score: 1

      Nicotine helps prevent aphthous ulcers, too.

      When I gave up the cancer sticks for the first time, I had the worst mouth ulcers. Took it up again, ulcers went away. When I gave up again, bad ulcers came back even though I was using nicotine patches (the pathches were on my arm, not my mouth ...).

      I persevered and eventually they went away, but when I get ulcers now, I get them bad, much worse and much longer than I ever did before I gave up.

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    13. Re:O Rly? by lqqkout4elfy · · Score: 1

      But have you notice how many drinks of coffee it takes to kill you?

    14. Re:O Rly? by Foerstner · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of the 80's when everyone was saying how bad butter is, and to switch to margarine or die of a heart attack. 10 years later, researchers said margarine is unhealthy and butter is better

      Actually, nobody ever said that butter is better for you than margarine. It went something like this:

      Scientist: We've discovered that margarine contains a type of fat which makes it less healthy than previously thought. It mimics the effects of the saturated fat in butter. For optimal nutrition, people should strive to reduce the amount of margarine or butter in their diets.

      Press Release: Margarine almost as bad as butter!

      Media: Margarine bad! Butter good!

      The egg-cholesterol thing was pretty much the same thing.

      Moral: Be glad your grandma doesn't distribute her advice through press releases and the mainstream media.

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    15. Re:O Rly? by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 1
      LOL, I guess it took someone to fly to France to watch 80 year old men eat eggs fried in butter before they asked "What's going on here."

      Funny, then, that you picked on tobacco earlier in your post. The Frogs smoke like chimneys...

      Not that smoking is good for one in general. A nice pipe sure is tasty, though!

    16. Re:O Rly? by raddan · · Score: 1

      "Like every other innovator of modern times, [Darwin] had to combat the authority of Aristotle. Aristotle, it should be said, has been one of the great misfortunes of the human race."

      -- Bertrand Russell, The Scientific Outlook

    17. Re:O Rly? by kponto · · Score: 1

      Everything in moderation...including moderation.

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    18. Re:O Rly? by AoT · · Score: 1

      If you think taking drugs is suffering you got everything all wrong. The only time I have "suffered" from drugs is hangovers and that one time I got some bad acid.

    19. Re:O Rly? by AoT · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but that is not quite so. The hydrogenyzation process cause the unsaturated fats to take on a saturated form more likely to get clogged in the blood stream than the naturally occuring saturated fats. I guess one could argue that the colestorol(sp?) in butter makes the score even, but I think it would not be enough to make a difference.

      P.S. I generally eat non-hydrogenated vegetable oil based spreads. Best of all the choices.

    20. Re:O Rly? by JourneyExpertApe · · Score: 1

      Aristotle encouraged moderation to excess. That's probably why he died at age 62. I prefer to exercise moderation in moderation. The aphorism "all things are good in moderation" is, after all, a contradiction. ;)

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    21. Re:O Rly? by wytcld · · Score: 1

      Strangely, only decaf raises blood pressure. (Serves 'em right!)

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    22. Re:O Rly? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      Haha, yea. If he didn't know the answer, the smug bastard just made it up. There was a recorded case where he was confronted with a fossilized skeleton of a fish, and he proceded to explain that there were fish that lived in the ground, like in the ocean, and this was one of their skeletons.

      However, while he may have sucked at some sciences, he defined others (biology leaps to mind). The problem was, he was the primary source for so many years that people got dogmatic about it. Scientific truths are not meant to be taken on faith.

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    23. Re:O Rly? by Foerstner · · Score: 1
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    24. Re:O Rly? by AoT · · Score: 1

      I would beg to differ; but perhaps that is just my O. Chem class talking.

  6. Forget coffee! by bwd · · Score: 2, Informative

    Green tea has caffeine just like coffee but has immeasurably more benefits, such as reducing the likelihood of all kinds of cancers and tumors. Further, it has been shown in some studies to do more good for the heart than a glass of wine every day. All coffee has is caffeine.

    1. Re:Forget coffee! by op12 · · Score: 1

      You might have to drink a lot more though, depending on how much caffeine they recommend. According to this, green tea only has about 15mg of caffeine versus 65 in the least potent coffee. If the study is as decribed, my regular Coke intake (34mg per can) will benefit me similarly :)

    2. Re:Forget coffee! by cli_rules! · · Score: 1
      It would be good to know if Yerba Mate is similarly effective in terms of liver protection:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_mate

    3. Re:Forget coffee! by dhakbar · · Score: 1

      "All coffee has is caffeine."

      What ill-informed garbage.

      Americans get the vast majority of their antioxidants from drinking coffee. It's full of them.

    4. Re:Forget coffee! by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      Green tea has caffeine just like coffee but has immeasurably more benefits, such as reducing the likelihood of all kinds of cancers and tumors. Further, it has been shown in some studies to do more good for the heart than a glass of wine every day. All coffee has is caffeine.

      It also goes well with asian foods :9

      I've been more into Chai and Rooibos lately.

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    5. Re:Forget coffee! by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 0

      Wait, are you disagreeing that all coffee has caffeine? I can't tell. But as far as I know, all decaffeination processes merely reduce the caffeine levels, they don't remove it entirely. Decaff coffee has about 5 mg of caffeine per 8-oz cup. That's a serious reduction from the usual levels, but it's still detectable to some people. (My father, for example, has to avoid caffeine even at those levels thanks to his migraines.)

    6. Re:Forget coffee! by John+Nowak · · Score: 1

      And a shitload of antioxidants, more than just about anything else actually, including green tea.

    7. Re:Forget coffee! by phasm42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The quote from the GP said:
      "All coffee has is caffeine." (bold mine). As in, coffee contains caffeine and nothing else. I can see how you missed the "is" part, I missed it the first time I read it.

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    8. Re:Forget coffee! by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      Ah, thanks. I was probably reading what I expected to see rather than what was there.

    9. Re:Forget coffee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Americans get the vast majority of their antioxidants from drinking coffee. It's full of them."

      What a sad thing to say. Fresh fruit and vegetables have more than coffee. For instance, you would get more benefit from a handful of blueberries than you would in several cups of coffee. (Other loaded fruits and berries are all around. Currents, pomegranates etc...) Though I don't disagree with you, I think it is a sad commentary on society.

      I think this is nothing more than justification for a popular habit. After-all, blueberries aren't really addictive. any way you look at it, guzzling coffee is no substitute for eating healthy and this study does nothing to say that coffee or caffeine in general is healthy or that the 'positive effects' in any way out way the negative, (including dependence and addiction - a major neg.)..

    10. Re:Forget coffee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What ill-informed garbage.

      Would it really kill you to make your point a little more civilly?

    11. Re:Forget coffee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      After-all, blueberries aren't really addictive. any way you look at it, guzzling coffee is no substitute for eating healthy

      By the same token, eating healthy is no substitute for a good caffeine buzz.

    12. Re:Forget coffee! by thegameiam · · Score: 1

      Green Tea may be healthful, but let me direct you to a discussion of the chemical composition of coffee and tea

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    13. Re:Forget coffee! by Rank_Tyro · · Score: 1

      I'll forgoe the coffee, but I am NOT giving up my red wine!

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    14. Re:Forget coffee! by nofx_3 · · Score: 1

      Coffee is a lot healthier than Cola as long as you drink it black. I believe Coffee has litte or no caloric content, whilst Cola has tons of high fructose corn syrup which in my opinion is what is causing the fattening of America.

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    15. Re:Forget coffee! by owlstead · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately it has serious side effects. It decreases my humour dramatically, which is also bad for your health. I absolutely *despise* it's taste.

    16. Re:Forget coffee! by TallMatt · · Score: 0

      caffeine has also been shown to stimulate the frontal lobe of the brain during functional MRI scans, which has been linked to increased memory.

  7. Great! by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

    Highly caffeinated and highly medicated.

  8. All night gamers are in good shape! by stavromueller · · Score: 0

    See, Bawls must be good for you.

    --
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    1. Re:All night gamers are in good shape! by whodunnit · · Score: 1

      I say that to my girlfriend all the time.

  9. Great News! by XLawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

    So first we find out that masturbation lowers the risk of prostate cancer, and now we learn that caffeine prevents liver disease.

    Dude, I'm going to live forever!

    1. Re:Great News! by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 1, Funny

      However masturbating while drinking coffee can lead to other forms of illness. Or maybe it caused by other forms of illness, I forget which.

      --
      I think you underestimate just how much I just dont care.
    2. Re:Great News! by sabre307 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that beer has medicinal effects toward the treatment of cancer. Between the masturbation, Mountain Dew, and Corona I'm set up. Now if only they could figure out that smoking has some good benefit I'll have an excuse for everything!!!

      --
      My software never has bugs.
      It just develops random features.
    3. Re:Great News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [really gross visual imagery coming up ... no pun intended]

      If you keep it up you might ejaculate your liver out through your urethra!

    4. Re:Great News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cool, but how did they get the rats to masturbate?

    5. Re:Great News! by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But in that article they dismissed sexual intercourse for the probability of getting an STD - this means that a monogamous relationship is just as effective.

      Perhaps this study could've been labelled: "Having monogamous relationship and no sex prior to marriage decreases men's probabilities of having prostate cancer". But well, the same could be said about AIDS. But something tells me that this idea will be rejected by the public right away.

    6. Re:Great News! by akeyes · · Score: 5, Funny

      And you thought your job was bad...

    7. Re:Great News! by Oarsman · · Score: 1

      Don't forget red wine helps prevent heart disease.
      http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?ident ifier=4422

      Now if they can figure out how smoking helps me live longer I can justify all my bad habits.

    8. Re:Great News! by msh104 · · Score: 1

      would that include forgetfullness? :p

    9. Re:Great News! by schon · · Score: 1

      If you really believe that, I think you're pulling too hard. :o)

    10. Re:Great News! by lixee · · Score: 2, Informative

      An idea as old as the 70's. Later studies challenge that http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id= 46&ObjectID=10358263.

      --
      Res publica non dominetur
    11. Re:Great News! by osu-neko · · Score: 1
      However masturbating while drinking coffee can lead to other forms of illness.

      Indeed, there are places that I reeeally don't want to spill hot coffee.

      Technically, though, that's more of an injury than an illness...

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    12. Re:Great News! by Steve525 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps this study could've been labelled: "Having monogamous relationship and no sex prior to marriage decreases men's probabilities of having prostate cancer".

      Perhaps, but according to the study, the most important time of your life is your 20's, which is somewhat low compared to the average age when men get married. In addition, the study said that it's best if you do it more than 5 times a week, which is unrealistic for many (most)? people after NGL //science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/30/053 0236&tid=191&tid=14 wears off.

    13. Re:Great News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude, you're gonna die tomorow
      corona is fucking nasty
      thats mexican piss-water

    14. Re:Great News! by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except that one's own fidelity is never insurance of one's partner's fidelity. Especially when you consider that 10% of children (on average across social, economic, and political borders) are the product of cuckoldry.. So at least 10% of women are unfaithful, and that's just the ones who actually get knocked up. Further consider that you're more likely to use barrier protection (a rubber) when having casual sex than when you're in a monogomous relationship. And finally, that women are much less likely to even know that they have an STD (particularly herpes), since, in addition to the possibility of a symptomless infection, symptoms which do present may not be visible.

      Incidentally, this isn't a malign against women, but society already knows men are dogs. Most men, on the other hand, tend to assume the best about women, particularly attractive women, and especially women with whom they may have a relationship. Not that there's any other way to have a successful relationship; just be aware that risks aren't always what they seem.

    15. Re:Great News! by localman · · Score: 1

      10%... heh, it's a little higher than that. I wish I could dig up the pages I found all those years ago when I was looking into this topic feverishly (I'll let you work out why), but my memory is that 70% of marriages include infidelity. I think it was like 60% of men and 50% of women are unfaithful. This is based off people admitting their infidelity, so the figre could be even higher.

      Cheers.

  10. finally, an explanation by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Funny

    I suppose this explains the reason why I always want to drink coffee after getting wasted... the liver knows best ;)

    Hey, it sounds better then that bumper sticker, "The liver is evil and must be destroyed" ;)

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    1. Re:finally, an explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It also explains the vat of coffee at twelve step meetings.

    2. Re:finally, an explanation by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It also explains the vat of coffee at twelve step meetings.

      Nah, that's just about transfer of addiction, the entire goal of the 12 step program. They attempt to transfer your addiction to [whatever] to the group. Coffee itself is addictive, so that's just a hook to keep you getting pulled in.

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    3. Re:finally, an explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the rare instances in which drinkypoo speaks the truth (jk jk jk)

  11. Kafaanethanoltsi - A life back in Balance by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
    Finally, the .sig quote becomes true. To bring the life back into balance...

    It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
    It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
    The hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning,
    It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

    I must drink beer.
    Beer is the painkiller.
    And beer is the little drink that brings total satisfaction.
    I will drink my beer.
    I will permit it to pass through me.
    And where the beer has gone there will be nothing.
    Only a hangover will remain.

    Caffeine in the morning to awaken the mind and refresh the liver. Alcochol at night to knock 'em both back down again for a good night's sleep.

    1. Re:Kafaanethanoltsi - A life back in Balance by Eric(b0mb)Dennis · · Score: 1

      (To ruin this whole thread)

      *Makes it rain on Arrakis*

      LOLLERSKATES LYNCH U R 2 FUNY

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    2. Re:Kafaanethanoltsi - A life back in Balance by TCQuad · · Score: 1

      Man, those 5 digit UIDs are the true elite. I mean, look at that thing! Slashdot cuts off my .sig at 120 characters, and Tackhead's got a freakin' creed for his.

  12. irish coffee by i.r.id10t · · Score: 5, Funny

    So I guess Irish Coffee sorta balances it out? The liquor trashes the liver, the caffiene saves it. And isometric intoxication too!

    Now where's my Bushmills and Jamaica Blue coffee beans?

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    1. Re:irish coffee by pHatidic · · Score: 1

      Or my Redbull and vodka.

    2. Re:irish coffee by VegeBrain · · Score: 1

      A can of Coke is kind of the same: all the calories help increase obesity and the caffeine reduces the risk of liver disease due to obesity. Now THATS a balanced food!

    3. Re:irish coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So I guess Irish Coffee sorta balances it out?


      yeah, at least until the little bastard steals your pot of gold
    4. Re:irish coffee by Prune · · Score: 1

      Not to nitpick, but... OK, so I'm nitpicking: the coffe is called Jamaica Blue Mountain, not just Jamaica Blue.

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    5. Re:irish coffee by chasingporsches · · Score: 1

      can we say jager bombs?!

  13. Ahh. by citizenklaw · · Score: 0

    Caffeine once more saves the day! I love this molecule! Now all I need is for Slashdot to post something that defends Beer as a Lifesaver and my the justifications I need for my vices will be complete. "But Honey, Slashdot sez that Coffee and Beer are healthy! I don't need to curb my drinking!!".

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  14. I always say... by DustyShadow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everything in moderation, even moderation.

    There is no "trick" to living longer, just use commmon sense.

    1. Re:I always say... by Torinir · · Score: 1

      Common sense is an oxymoron.

      Just listen to a few of the support calls I get and you'll agree.

    2. Re:I always say... by dwbryson · · Score: 1

      Everything in moderation, even moderation.

      I am not sure of the intent of the poster, but I constantly say this to my friends and associates to see if they actually figure out what's going on.

      The joke of course is that they are *not* moderates and advocate absolutism: absolutely applying moderation to everything.

      But really asking for intellectual continuity in thought seems to be too much for most people I interact with.

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      - "Never let a computer tell me shit." - DelTron Zero
  15. Interesting by COMON$ · · Score: 1

    I would think that the people drinking more than one cup of coffe in the morning would be the ones trying to recover from the heavy hangover from the night before...

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    1. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't work in a big city, do you?

  16. Damn the French... by MosesJones · · Score: 3, Funny


    Red Wine = Lower risk of heart disease
    Coffee = Lower risk of Liver disease

    Turns out the smug buggers were right all along to laugh at the latest health craze from the US.

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    An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
    1. Re:Damn the French... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      No occupation of Iraq = Lower risk of lead poisoning, getting blown to shit. Damn those frogs and their healthy lifestyle.

    2. Re:Damn the French... by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 1

      Grape juice would be even better than red wine since it doesn't contain alcohol, a carcinogen, but has all the other benefits.

  17. If it's caffeine that counts... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1
    If it's the caffeine that counts, then how about Jolt Cola.?

    If so, then the Microsoft campus should the most liver diesase-free spot on Earth.

    --
    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
    1. Re:If it's caffeine that counts... by op12 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Jolt doesn't beat the caffeine in most types of coffee. The sugar, on the other hand, is a different story :)

  18. Hmmm.... by jupiter_ganymede · · Score: 1

    Does that mean if I drink a beer and a coffee together that they cancel out? I sense some possibilities here...

  19. Nope by flyinwhitey · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Vinson and his team studied the content of antioxidants in various foods, like vegetables, fruits, tea and cocoa. They eventually decided to look at coffee as well. When they did, they found that both regular and decaffeinated coffee contain significant amounts of antioxidants, though Vinson does note that fruits and vegetables are more nutritious sources.

    What kind of health benefits can people expect to receive from drinking coffee? According to Martin, "Predominantly in epidemiologic studies, there have been associations between coffee consumption and lowered rates of certain illnesses, like suicide, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's, Type II diabetes, colon cancer and heart disease." (Epidemiologic studies are often historical trials that are not considered definitive by clinicians.)"

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    1. Re:Nope by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wait... *suicide* is an illness now?

    2. Re:Nope by randomencounter · · Score: 5, Informative
      Technically it is a symptom.

      Depression is the illness usually leading to suicide.

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    3. Re:Nope by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      Ok, absolutely. Heck, you could even say "suicidal tendencies" and I'd buy that. But the statement that was quoted doesn't make sense is all I'm saying. And while I might assume that they mean "depression", I can't be sure and merely wish that they'd been clearer.

    4. Re:Nope by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, I was coming down with suicide earlier this week, then some hottie showed me her boobies and I was cured.

    5. Re:Nope by jonnythan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yup.

      It's terminal.

    6. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, its a horrible illness, if I got I'd kill myself.

    7. Re:Nope by adolfojp · · Score: 1

      Nope. It is a cure.

      It is a cure for inmense suffering and anguish that is 100% real to the individual who suffers from it.

      Cheers,
      Adolfo

    8. Re:Nope by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      Ever see a medicine where it's listed as a possible side-effect? Now that is freaky.

      "May cause nausea, vomiting, abdominal pains, depression, suicide...Ask your doctor about it today!"

      *cue old people frolicking on the beach*

      --
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  20. Breaking even with a Jaeger-bomb? by JavaSavant · · Score: 1

    Red Bull + Vodka has no net effect, then?

    1. Re:Breaking even with a Jaeger-bomb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A jager bomb is Red Bull + Jagermeister

    2. Re:Breaking even with a Jaeger-bomb? by JavaSavant · · Score: 1

      Yeah - I'm retarded.

  21. Which bears the question... by foxtrot · · Score: 1

    Is there something in coffee or tea that helps your liver?

    Or is it simply that any liquid intake you have that's coffee or tea is liquid intake that's not beer?

    -F

    1. Re:Which bears the question... by Torinir · · Score: 1

      Is there something in coffee or tea that helps your liver?

      Or is it simply that any liquid intake you have that's coffee or tea is
      liquid intake that's not beer?

      -F

      Sacrilege...

      Now where's my Irish Coffee?!?

  22. breakthrough in science... by Havenwar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Studies show that with absolute certainty, sleep is lethal. Everybody who has ever slept will at some point die. It is unavoidable. We better stay away from it.

    In other news, stupidity (and the blind belief in statistical based research) causes cancer.

    1. Re:breakthrough in science... by espressojim · · Score: 1

      I think you're looking for the phrase "correlation does not imply causality". However, there's a lot of 'statistical based research' where statistics tell you how believable the evidence is that some event occurring is not by chance.

      Showing that things are not random can show causality. You need to just look at the data (and many sets, sometimes) from different angles to rule out any alternative hypothesis.

      How do you think any genetic studies are conducted?

    2. Re:breakthrough in science... by osu-neko · · Score: 1
      Showing that things are not random can show causality.

      Actually, nothing can show causality. It is always infered from insufficient evidence. The trick is to always keep your leaps of faith as small as possible...

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    3. Re:breakthrough in science... by PurifyYourMind · · Score: 1

      "the blind belief in statistical based research"

      Statistics aren't the problem, out-of-context media reports of science studies are. When you read a reputable science journal, the articles are usually *very* focused and list the flaws of the study, its limits, etc.

      (P.S. I know you were joking, but I hate it when people bash statistics. :-)

    4. Re:breakthrough in science... by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Here we go again with the rehash of 'ALL STATISTICS ARE USLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

      I'd like to see an experiment that doesn't use statistics and results in higher predictive power.

      This study sucks, but your anti-stats kneejerk is useless surface-feeding.

    5. Re:breakthrough in science... by Havenwar · · Score: 1

      Well... If you feel the need to predict the future, then I suppose you are about as secure in your present as people relying totally on hotline psychics.

      I don't mind statistics all that much, it has it's uses... but mainly the use for them today seems to be making nice looking headlines and ignoring consequenses.

    6. Re:breakthrough in science... by Havenwar · · Score: 1

      Well, I know I was joking as well... mostly. I wish I wasn't, because statistically, the world would contain less stupid people if I was right.

      I agree that statistics can be a very useful tool amongst those who understands it, and between researchers. I don't read much in the form of reputable science journals, but it has happened that I have read articles that later ended up in them... I understand that reading this report is much better than reading the media coverage of it, since as you say out-of-context media reports is a problem...

      Then of course, statistics is often misguiding when shown to those that doesn't understand them. For instance, many people can't quite wrap their head around the fact that if I have one hand in a fire, and one in ice, then statistically I'm feeling pretty good. If this fact was published in general news, I bet you some moron would try it out for himself.

      Hence, blind belief in statistical based research is dangerous.
      Those reading reputable science journals... are seldom that blind.

    7. Re:breakthrough in science... by Havenwar · · Score: 1

      I... don't think I was looking for phrases. I think I was mainly looking for a way to (in a wacky fashion) remind some people that we see these kinds of reports way to often, scaring members of the general public because a lot of people dont really understand the use of statistics.

      Now, without going in to the ethical thoughts on genetical studies, let's just say that of course they are conducted via statistics and complex formulas for deviations and so on... But would you print the numbers in your daily newspaper, and if you did, would it make any sense to the persons on the other side?

      Of course, theoretically, nothing is random. We just need to find the rigth angle to view it from, so that it looks the same as it was before.

    8. Re:breakthrough in science... by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Yeah, nice looking headlines, ignoring consequences, and being the primary inertia in modern science.

    9. Re:breakthrough in science... by Havenwar · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, I agree... Inertia as in "Inertia is a Latin term meaning idleness that has come to mean the tendency of a body to maintain its state of uniform motion unless acted on by an external unbalanced force." (quite wikipedia)

      Meaning it won't be accelerated, it will not change course, it will not make any new discoveries... Now take a nap and realise what I'm saying. I'm not bashing your precious statistics as much as I'm bashing the way they are portraied to the general public through the media. Statistics can be used to prove or disprove anything, no matter the truth behind the case... hence statistical research is very careful and must check all factors many times, while statistical headlines scream as loud as they can without checking their facts.

      And even to researchers, statistics is dangerous to trust entirely.

    10. Re:breakthrough in science... by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Of course. But you aren't just stating the obvious. You are bashing the use of statistics. This, in my mind, can only be because of a complete misunderstanding of how modern science works.

    11. Re:breakthrough in science... by Havenwar · · Score: 1

      Or a belief that it could work better.

      But I confess I do not have the understanding of modern science as say, a professor would have. However, my understanding of how science works is greater than average, due to schooling in scientific research. Hence I can see how misleading such an article is to those who do not have knowledge of the truths behind statistics.

    12. Re:breakthrough in science... by espressojim · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I know, all you can do is try to show that all alternative hypothesis are less believable.

      But then, that's as far as science can ever go. At some point, enough overwhelming evidence may convince you that you're right, until something shows up to tell you otherwise.

    13. Re:breakthrough in science... by espressojim · · Score: 1

      Of course, theoretically, nothing is random. We just need to find the rigth angle to view it from, so that it looks the same as it was before.
      ----

      You just need to figure out what the null model is, and then determine if your data fits that model or not.

      If I flip a coin a million times, and the coin is unbiased, you'd expect 500,000 heads. If the number of heads is not 500,000, you can make a guess as to what the likelyhood of the series of events you just observed was.

      When I read in a paper how someone works with their statistics, I can get an idea of what sort of effects they were looking at, and I can begin to determine what the likelyhood of their seeing the effect was.

      I like to see hard numbers (and they're required for publication). They might not make sense in a newspaper, but then, oftnen the people in charge of writing are not equipped to interpret the results.

  23. Causation connection....??? by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1
    Maybe:
    • Folks with hepatitis or cirrosis are too ill to drink coffee.
    • Like the guy said, the other people were drinking sterno.
    • Brazilians die of other things before liver problems can kill them.
  24. Sick and tired,.... by kryten_nl · · Score: 1

    ... is what I'm getting of these kinds of studies. No actual science, just number crunching.

    What is that saying again?
    There are three kinds of deception:
    Lies, damned lies and statistics.

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    1. Re:Sick and tired,.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, there are five kinds...
      Lies, damned lies, statistics, benchmarks, and delivery dates.

  25. Caffeine Credits by Bullfish · · Score: 1

    Terrific, with my consumption maybe I can sell caffeine credits!

    At the very least the people who bet my blood through my donations will be safe.

  26. There's the rub by Irishman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The study shows protection for people who drink too much, are overweight or have hemochromatosis (too much iron). Basically, anyone at a high risk of liver disease. Otherwise it doesn't seem to do much of anything.

    1. Re:There's the rub by ZiakII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The study shows protection for people who drink too much, are overweight or have hemochromatosis (too much iron). Basically, anyone at a high risk of liver disease. Otherwise it doesn't seem to do much of anything.

      So basically 80% of /.?

    2. Re:There's the rub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...The study shows protection for people who drink too much, are overweight or have hemochromatosis (too much iron). Basically, anyone at a high risk of liver disease."

      As an overweight person with Hereditary Hemochromatosis, this is incredibly good news. Personally my feelings are, the weight issue is a byproduct of the iron from the Hemochromatosis causing the malabsorbtion of food. This "leaky gut syndrome" probably also contributes to my autoimmune disorder of vitilgo and diabetes.

      Since I can trace my family ancestory to northern Europe, I am a prime candidate for this genetic condition that effects 1 in 200 people, and it is the second most common genetic malfunction in north America.

      Sadly it also the most mis-diagnosed condition out there, although the test for it is amazingly cheap. Serum-ferritin http://www.geocities.com/wrocks/hunt_begins_here.h tml

      We have recently learned that Asians and South Pacific Islanders are even more prone to the iron loading condition than Europeans, but their specific genes have not been identified yet.

      HTH - Wayne
      Proud Son of a Celt!

    3. Re:There's the rub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well as caffeine is a diuretic, then this result is hardly surprising. What's really happening is that the diuretic action requires a greater fluid intake, helping to wash toxins from the liver.

    4. Re:There's the rub by sjames · · Score: 1

      The study shows protection for people who drink too much, are overweight or have hemochromatosis (too much iron). Basically, anyone at a high risk of liver disease. Otherwise it doesn't seem to do much of anything.

      Given recent statistics in the U.S. at least, you just named the majority of the population.

  27. early grave by thelost · · Score: 1

    is this isn't license for a million geeks to drink theirselves to an early - jittery - caffeine grave then I don't know what is. Yes I'm typing this with a doctor Pepper in one hand. oh and ps, who has beaten fry's coffee record?

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  28. How many people do you know with chronic liver by presarioD · · Score: 1

    disease?

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  29. Actually... by everphilski · · Score: 1

    Recent studies have shown that coffee (caffeinated, not decaf) has as high or higher antioxidant levels than tea. (Unfortunately I don't have a link to the study, its at home and I'm at work... check Google news)And as a previous poster noted you'd have to drink a helluva lot of tea to get the same amount of caffeine.

    -everphilski-

  30. The trick is... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The trick to longevity has a lot to do with picking the right parents!

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  31. So does this mean... by parasonic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Alcohol --> Bad for the liver
    Coffee --> Good for the liver


    Does this mean that Kahlua cancels itself out? If so, I'm going to get trashed tonight!!

  32. Maybe that's because... by CodeShark · · Score: 1
    People die of heart disease, digestive canceres, etc. much faster than they die of liver failure.

    Hard to die of both which might just skew the results a little, ya think? :-)

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  33. Caffeine is your friend by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Funny

    Good news, to be added to the possibility that caffeine is is linked to protection from Parkinson's disease. Makes those first couple of mugs of coffee taste that much sweeter... well, that and 2 heaping tablesoons of sugar and all the packets of Splenda® I can find.

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  34. Good news all over the place by jurt1235 · · Score: 1

    A few days ago on I believe CNN: Coffee improves your memory, at least short term memory, long term still needs to be researched, hence the "on I believe CNN".
    Today coffee saves my liver
    Now some math with coffee:
    2 cups to improve my memory
    2 cups to save my live
    Just doubling the dose to be on the safe side= 8 cups of coffee in a day should be ok I guess.

    And off again to the next topic.

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    1. Re:Good news all over the place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few days ago on I believe CNN: Coffee improves your memory

      nope, sorry you're mistaken.

    2. Re:Good news all over the place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just doubling the dose to be on the safe side= 8 cups of coffee in a day should be ok I guess.

      And off again to the next topic.


      And would that topic be "How to urinate without leaving your cubical"?

  35. So, um... by krunchyfrog · · Score: 0

    Is this still good with decaf?

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    1. Re:So, um... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do people bother with decaf at all? Coffee tastes like shit (same for beer). I just drink it for the effects (getting awaken or drunk).

    2. Re:So, um... by Woldry · · Score: 1

      Funny, I never noticed any unpleasant taste with decaf beer...

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  36. In other news... by gasmonso · · Score: 1

    Coffee drinkers have twice the rate of kidney failure than non coffee drinkers.

    gasmonso http://religiousfreaks.com/
    1. Re:In other news... by digitaldc · · Score: 1

      "Coffee drinkers have twice the rate of kidney failure than non coffee drinkers."

      See? You can't win with these scientific studies. That's why I drink Irish Coffee, there is a neglible chance that my liver will be saved, but if not, at least I will be too drunk to notice otherwise.

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    2. Re:In other news... by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

      That's why we have two kidneys!

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  37. What about those who didn't comsume any caffiene? by v3xt0r · · Score: 0

    It says... "The study of nearly 10,000 people showed that those who drank more than two cups of coffee or tea per day developed chronic liver disease at half the rate of those who drank less than one cup each day."

    What about people who didn't consume ANY caffiene what so ever?

    I assume that they fall into the 'those who drank less than one cup each day' category, but TFA is way to generalized to really reveal any useful information.

    I'll just assume that this is more FUD, intended to increase the caffiene intake of this workforce society, to help boost (capitalist) productivity, via (capitalist) coffee consumption.

    Did starbucks sponser this research? or was it Juan Valdez? *pssh*

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  38. With tradeoffs by mr100percent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And decaffeinated coffee was recently discovered to raise your LDL cholesterol, the bad kind. Always a tradeoff, eh?

  39. Armchair doctors says: by wonkavader · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Caffeine's a diuretic. I'll bet any diuretic will do the same.

    1. Re:Armchair doctors says: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      alcohol is a diuretic
      alcohol is not good for your liver
      therefore you are an idiot
      QED

    2. Re:Armchair doctors says: by plsavaria · · Score: 1

      So is alchool...
      Your point was?

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    3. Re:Armchair doctors says: by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 1
      My best guess is that it's more likely to be a stress reaction, caused by the caffeine.

      A lot of people take coffee to perk them up a bit- the caffeine triggers stress reactions that pull glucose out of storage in the liver and elsewhere and put them into circulation where they are picked up by the brain (the brain's preferred fuel in glucose).

      So that would tend to deplete the liver's glycogen stores.

      Now, when you come along and drink alcohol on top; alcohol tends to inhibit the chemical that turns fructose into glucose, and that means that normally means that the fructose gets turned into fats instead. But if the liver is depleted of glycogen, then it may well end up burning the fats instead for energy; or not laying them down (because of the stress reaction caused by the caffeine) and leaving them in circulation.

      Since sclerosis of the liver is when the fat builds up in the liver, this could well help prevent this disease.

      (n.b. all the above is mostly armwaving; the precise mechanism may well be different, but I expect I bet it's due to the caffeine in tea/coffee, rather than a diuretic effect.)

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  40. Hmm... by Gadgetfreak · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, I guess drinking a few Irish Coffees a day isn't as bad for your liver as you thought it was.

    Kind of reminds me of my senior year in college, when I realized most of my vitamin C came from the screwdrivers I drank.

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  41. People will write any old shit to get first post. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your comment proves it.

  42. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Things that happen to be good for you sometimes also have caffine in it. Mostly "tea" (Grean, Black, White etc.).

  43. and dog urine lowers heart attack risk by crimethinker · · Score: 0, Troll
    Every day, something new will either kill you or make you live forever. For example, check out this one:

    A team of researchers at Johns Hopkins University have found a link between the consumption of dog urine and the decreased likelihood of heart attacks, team leaders announced Tuesday in cracking, uneven voices.

    "Our research indicates that by drinking six to eight glasses of fresh dog urine per day, individuals can reduce the risk of cardiac arrest by as much as 70 percent,"

    Source: The Onion

    How about a sensible diet, a variety of foods, don't O.D. on anything, and you'll be OK, says the geek who can pound a six-pack of Mountain Dew every day and still sleep like a baby.

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    1. Re:and dog urine lowers heart attack risk by burning-toast · · Score: 1

      I know you did NOT just quote "The Onion" as fact! The Onion is a satirical newspaper (distributed at least in the Mid-west of USA). There is NO story in that paper that is legitimate. While funny, the articles are entirely made-up. See here for another good laugh -> http://www.theonion.com/content/node/41904 While I like your final point about a sensible diet, etc. "The Onion" is NOT a real news source!

    2. Re:and dog urine lowers heart attack risk by burning-toast · · Score: 1

      Ok I didn't mean to sound like a troll... but upon re-reading my own post for the third time... Anyways... that was more just to inform the readers in other areas of the world that the Onion is not your regular news source. (In case they wouldn't have figured that out to begin with by reading any of the other articles) -toast

    3. Re:and dog urine lowers heart attack risk by crimethinker · · Score: 1
      Anyone who RTFA'ed that I linked would have realized that the article was satire. Satire directed exactly at the sort of thing that the original article is promoting: drinking this, not eating that, whatever, will make you live longer. And that was my point, is that every week, "they" have something new that you're supposed to eat, or not supposed to eat, and I'm tired of keeping up with which food will kill you this week, so I say sod it all, and I'll just eat a sensible diet. Except for my precious Mountain Dew. My precious

      -paul

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  44. Repeat after me by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Correlation does not prove causation"

    Repeat as necessary.

    1. Re:Repeat after me by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      NO evidence can *prove* causation.

      Unless you've shown that for all (and I mean *all*) distinct states of a system, some event B happens only after some other event A. And even then, you run into some hard realities about the tenuous definition of "causality".

    2. Re:Repeat after me by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Correlation does not prove causation"

      I'm really glad people doing actual science don't do things like see penicillin reducing the numbers of bacteria and say, "Yeah, but correlation does not prove causation. I'm going to go ahead and bleed you some more."

    3. Re:Repeat after me by dascandy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Slashdot does not make you a good speller.

      Repeat because it's necessary. (try causality instead of causation).

    4. Re:Repeat after me by espressojim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What those scientists did is try to think of all the other reasons that the number of bacteria might also be decreasing. Then, test all those other hypothesis. When all those alternates don't pan out, and this one does (penicillin vs. non penicillin results in an effect of X reduction of bacteria over N number of tests with a confidence of W) then you can believe your hypothesis.

      I take it very few people on Slashdot DO science for a living. I have a paper in nature genetics this month (well, on line, it'll be in print in january), does that count as 'doing science'?

    5. Re:Repeat after me by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 3, Insightful
      So you support the title "Caffiene *PREVENTS* liver disease"?

      Cripes, I never said do no further research. That's called a "straw man fallacy". I was addressing the common tendency of the media to present correlation as causation. A simple correlation should not even be news outside journals for the field in question.

      This link might help.

    6. Re:Repeat after me by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Piffle. Causation works fine.

    7. Re:Repeat after me by porcupine8 · · Score: 1
      From m-w.com:

      causation
      One entry found for causation.
      Main Entry: causation
      Pronunciation: ko-'zA-sh&n
      Function: noun
      1 a : the act or process of causing b : the act or agency which produces an effect
      2 : CAUSALITY

      "Correlation does not imply causation" is a pretty common mantra in basic research methods classes.

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  45. Read the article summary: limited benefit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It says that drinking certain beverages help those at risk of liver difficulty from alchohol consumption.

  46. You forgot by flyinwhitey · · Score: 1

    Deodorant = Increased risk of Breast Cancer, which explains a lot...

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  47. Incidence by henryhbk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The key to these studies, which we teach all the residents and medical students, is that you have to look at the incidence of liver disease (especially when they specifically excluded viral hepatitis which is the overwhelming majority) in the population. If the incidence is one in 100,000 and you get a 50% reduction (sounds impressive) you only change it to 1 in 200,000. This is why pharmaceutical firms use the relative risk (ignoring incidence, just using the percentage) in advertising.

    The incidence of liver disease among non-hepatitis infected people is incredibly small. If you take all comers it is 12th among cause of death (lower than suicde) according to the NIH (pdf of causes of death).

    Because even if the result is statistically significant, if not that many people die of it (~2500 in 2003), then the harm caused by this drug (caffine) may not outway the rare case it saves (and yes, I understand if you're the one it is significant, but this is public health)

    For instance "Zipia reduces aliens ripping out of your abdomen by 99%" sounds very impressive, until you look at how many people this would affect (there were the 4 alien movies plus spaceballs). So everyone should not start using zipia, which undoubtably will cause some bad side effect, versus those few actors who would be saved.

    1. Re:Incidence by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1
      The incidence of liver disease among non-hepatitis infected people is incredibly small. If you take all comers it is 12th among cause of death (lower than suicde) according to the NIH (pdf of causes of death).

      Small sidenote (bit OT): here in Belgium suicide is the nr 1 cause of death among people in between 25 and 45 or so. Very sad. Nordic countries are said to be even worse.

    2. Re:Incidence by Woldry · · Score: 1

      Wait -- those were actors?!?!!?

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  48. Wel, let's see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know man, I can double-fist coffee and beer like the best of them. Plus, there's your coffee with whiskey, bourbon, rye. Or if, you take sugar, coffee and Baileys, or coffee and Kahlua, or coffee and some damn concoction of sugary liqueurs. Then, you've got coffee with a white Russian thrown in, hell, gin-and-milk plus coffee is probably OK, too... ;)

  49. Other effects by Chris+Bradshaw · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Ok, so you have less of a chance of liver disease... What about the diuretic effects, and effects on other organs?

    Water loss leads impaired kidney function, and loss of vital nutrients, i.e., calcium. http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/columnnn/nn03110 3.html

    So unless your the rare geek who staggers each $caffeinatedDrink with two glasses of water and a Flinstones vitamin - your on the loosing end. But what the hell, everything will kill you in one way or another...

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    1. Re:Other effects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read your own source, it is talking mainly about over consumption. You consume too much of anything and it will have negative effects.

  50. Hooray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The Washington Post reports that drinking two cups of coffee or tea daily may reduce the risk of liver disease."

    Hooray for thoroughly misleading post titles.

  51. Strive for equilibrium by winkydink · · Score: 1

    Drink kahlua

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  52. Again, irresponsible medical reports by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 5, Informative

    I grow tired of these kinds of "studies", those that say drinking beer, wine, tea, coffee, coke, or even smoking have some benefits. Especially when they start saying that 1 or 2 cups or servings of someting will prevent something else.

    These studies are generally aimed at foods or products that are generally considered to be unhealthy or otherwise, the people making these products are in a defensive position to try and validate their existence.

    The problem is that there are those people just waiting for an excuse to over-indulge in these products. If drinking 2 cups of beer a day prevents cancer, then by drinking 12 I will live to 100, right?

    Often people just read the caption without reading the entire article, or in many cases, the finer points of the study are excluded to a terse clipping of the conclusion without preventing the facts, those facts usually explaining how overindulgence could cause adverse medical problems. This is the case here in Slashdot where many people simply read the blurb without delving into the hyperlinked article.

    Also, these studies are usually contradictory to other studies. Recently it was reported on Slashdot that drinking even one cup of coffee was linked to some kind of adverse health issue. The studies conflict each other, meaning that the truth of the matter is never effectively conveyed by both parties. People that love coffee will be quicker to believe that it is more beneficial to them then those that don't drink it, who would quote coffee is harmful to you.

    Lastely, these studdies generally ignore other serious health issues that might go along with the consumption. Like the fact that most people take cream and sugar in their coffee. Many people in Canada love their double/doubles (2 creams and 2 sugars). This study suggests that drinking two cups of coffee a day has positive health effects, but for those that like cream and sugar in their coffee, this means drinking in addition to the coffee, one will consume 4 servings of high fat cream and 4 teaspoons of suger. The high fat in cream and excessive calories of the sugar are sure to be more harmful to your health then whatever positive effects the coffee may have on your health. Those that feel more is better will consume more high fat cream and high calorie sugars which will exponentially have a negative effect on their health, in addition to ignoring disclaimers by the study that too much coffee could have a detrimental effect.

    Finally, there are those people who consider themselves well learned and so propose that its the caffine in coffee that is beneficial, so drinking a couple cups of cola should also be beneficial, or popping a couple of caffine pills or those high-caf beverages. The study mentions that drinking 2 cups of coffee or tea a day is beneficial, but the Slashdot article only says that Caffeine prevents liver disease, a discrepancy in the facts presented.

    In any case, one should never blindly use these articles as an excuse to continue or start a bad habit. There are MANY healthy ways to prevent Liver Disease, drinking two cups of coffee a days to cure a hangover after consuming an excess of alcohol the previous night probably won't have a positive effect on your liver.

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    1. Re:Again, irresponsible medical reports by BlkItlStl · · Score: 1

      These statistical researcher studies really tea me off!

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    2. Re:Again, irresponsible medical reports by Reverend528 · · Score: 1

      Recently it was reported on Slashdot that drinking even one cup of coffee was linked to some kind of adverse health issue.

      I believe you're thinking of this article. Which specifically stated that decaffeinated coffee is unhealthy, not the caffeinated kind.

      Finally, there are those people who consider themselves well learned and so propose that its the caffine in coffee that is beneficial, so drinking a couple cups of cola should also be beneficial, or popping a couple of caffine pills or those high-caf beverages.

      Well, the original study that this article is based on did show that the association was with caffeine, not just coffee.

    3. Re:Again, irresponsible medical reports by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Well, the original study that this article is based on did show that the association was with caffeine, not just coffee.

      Indeed, this is a common point of "media foolishness". A couple nights ago the local news was running a typical carnival barker type ad all day saying essentially "coffee can make you smarter, film at 11". Come to find out, the study they were reporting on had people taking caffeine pills and taking tests. Coffee can contain all sorts of bizarre alkaloids that have the opposite effect. A strong cup of good, strong, freshly roasted, ground, and brewed Yemen Matari coffee can oftentimes make you feel downright stoned.

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    4. Re:Again, irresponsible medical reports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Erm. The main bizare alkaloid in coffee is caffeine.
      Caffeine, on its own, has been shown to:
      increase dendrite growth in the brain
      reduce incidence of alzheimers
      protect against radiation damage

      It is believe the main source of antioxidents for folks in the U.S. is coffee.
      It is true that there are a few carcinogens in coffee, especially a french press, but the filtered coffee is fairly safe and healthy in moderation

    5. Re:Again, irresponsible medical reports by sjames · · Score: 1

      The real mistake isn't the studies themselves. It's perfectly reasonable to study a single effect in isolation. The mistake happens when the media, or worse, so called health authorities take such a study and attempt to turn it into a magic prescription for health without really bothering to follow up and see how the various effects may or may not cancel out.

      Personally, I suspect that in the end it's mostly a wash and the best advice is balance and moderation.

    6. Re:Again, irresponsible medical reports by jc42 · · Score: 1

      If drinking 2 cups of beer a day prevents cancer, then by drinking 12 I will live to 100, right?

      A few years ago, the term "hormesis" was coined to deal with this fallacy. Google for it. It basically refers to a situation where low and high doses of something have opposite effects.

      The classical example of hormesis is vitamins. Except for C, all the known vitamins are toxic in high doses, but of course you need low doses of them to stay alive.

      The studies showing the benefits of booze are also starting to use the term, since there's now lots of documentation of the benefits of low doses of alcohol (mostly wine and beer), while the problems with high doses have been well known since pre-history.

      Sometimes it's useful to coin a scientific term for a phenomenon. Now we can just counter the old "If a little is good, more must be better" fallacy by the incantation "hormesis".

      In reality, biochemical processes are hardly ever linear. They're usually not even monotonic.

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    7. Re:Again, irresponsible medical reports by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1
      Erm. The main bizare alkaloid in coffee is caffeine.

      I never disputed that. My point was that some coffees contain large quantities of substances other than caffeine, and these substances can show up in large enough quantities to monkeywrench the "intelligence boosting" effects of the caffeine.

      Caffeine, on its own, has been shown to: increase dendrite growth in the brain reduce incidence of alzheimers protect against radiation damage

      Caffeine has also, on its own, been shown to enhance cognitive abilities. My complaint was that the news editors/idiots see a study like that and improperly re-interpret the conclusion as "coffee makes you smarter" when the study in question never addressed any of the often brain-fuddling NON-caffeine contents of coffee.

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    8. Re:Again, irresponsible medical reports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately, some of those same studies have moved away from using "Edge2O" (literally! they were giving the rats a commercial caffeinated water rather than mixing their own) and examining the results when consumed in the traditional format.

      Does make me feel a bit better about penguin mints, though.

  53. Sweet! by cafn8ed · · Score: 1

    (see username)

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  54. Damn! by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    Looking at how much Diet Coke and coffee I've had today I could've had an extra pint of Harpoon IPA last night. I just don't think my bladder could handle it though.

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    1. Re:Damn! by pmancini · · Score: 1

      Harpoon? Man, I haven't seen that stuff since I left Boston. I remember back in the 80's one of their early mottos was "We drink our fill then sell the rest!" If only I could find that down here in the dirty south.

    2. Re:Damn! by emmaussmith · · Score: 1

      FWIW, I have seen Harpoon in Harris-Teeter and Lowes Foods here in NC.

    3. Re:Damn! by pmancini · · Score: 1

      Oh cool. We have a Harris-Teeter right next to Vanderbilt. I'll check it out!

  55. yeah, but is it coffee/tea, or is it the caffine? by HelloKitty · · Score: 1


    you're assuming it's the caffine that helps.
    Maybe it's the coffee or the tea.
    I wonder if decaf would still have a positive effect.
    maybe I should RTFA to find out...

  56. Study supported by Coffee Growers Assn. of America by gwayne · · Score: 1

    Doh!

  57. Re:yeah, but is it coffee/tea, or is it the caffin by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    you're assuming it's the caffine that helps. Maybe it's the coffee or the tea. I wonder if decaf would still have a positive effect. maybe I should RTFA to find out...

    As I said, the article was thin on detail. Probably best to whip around to your physician and ask to read the journal mentioned.

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  58. It gives you wings by FerretFrottage · · Score: 3, Funny

    that will just give your liver wings

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  59. Correlation != Causality! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're a bit light on numbers in the article. If only 3 people had liver damage, and only one was a big coffee drinker, how does that show anything meaningful?

  60. Coffee substitutes for alcohol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A person who drinks more coffee will tend to drink less alcohol. Less alcohol consumption helps maintain a healthy liver.

  61. What's in the drink? by castoridae · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article doesn't actually back up that it's caffeine that prevents liver disease. It simply shows that *coffee or tea* prevent it. I wonder what other common substances (besides water) they have in them that could alternatively be providing the benefits.

    I think a good follow-on study might be to try caffeine pills vs placebos - although since we're talking about preventing disease rather than curing it, that study could take a generation or more.

    1. Re:What's in the drink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its the booze.

  62. Re:O Rly?--yeah, really by hardie · · Score: 2, Interesting
  63. Maybe by umrgregg · · Score: 1

    Maybe these studies should look at why people who prefer one type of drink over another are developing a disease. Instead of saying that one drink or another prevents a disease. Could it be that people who are prone to liver disease are less likely to prefer caffinated drinks? I think at this stage in the study this answer is more likely than the "caffeine prevents liver disease" headline.

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  64. Or as the saying goes ... by BlueZombie · · Score: 1

    Bob: "Why do you have a banana in your ear?" Joe: "To keep the (lions/tigers/bears) away." Bob: "Does it work?" Joe: "See any (lions/tigers/bears) around here?" after all ... Research shows approximately 99.9% of persons born are later found to be dead. The remaining 0.1% went on to become prominent figures in various religious cults.

  65. an interesting claim by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    This is making a fairly strong claim---that it is definitionally impossible to choose to commit suicide without being mentall ill. I think there are some existentialists who would like to have a word with you over that...

    1. Re:an interesting claim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He never said that. He said it's a symptom, which it is. Of a sort, anyway.

      A symptom is a characteristic effect caused by an illness - the term says nothing about exclusivity.

    2. Re:an interesting claim by Woldry · · Score: 1

      Not at all.

      Coughing is a symptom of many different diseases. However, this does not mean that it it definitionally impossible to choose to cough without being physically ill.

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    3. Re:an interesting claim by Hatta · · Score: 1
      This is making a fairly strong claim---that it is definitionally impossible to choose to commit suicide without being mentall ill. I think there are some existentialists who would like to have a word with you over that...


      Existentialism is another symptom of the same mental illness.
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  66. Re:The trick is... KEEP BREATHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The trick to longer living is: KEEP BREATHING.... Just keep breathing, and you'll never die!

  67. Perhaps.. by BigZaphod · · Score: 1

    Perhaps there was less liver problems because people likely to drink that much tea or whatever are less likely to drink a lot of alcohol?

  68. questionable article by Flunitrazepam · · Score: 3, Informative

    This article obviously wasn't meant for much more than a quick conversation piece. There is litte, if any, scientific data presented.

    In general, coffee is quite a bit more caffinated than tea. Brewed coffee is around 135mg, instant around 95mg, whereas the most common teas (lipton green, instant black, etc) have about 35-40mgs. So statements like "one or two cups of coffee OR TEA" puts the targetted intake anywhere between 70mg and 270mgs per day. How useful.

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    1. Re:questionable article by Ilgaz · · Score: 1

      Generally, I "filter" such articles and scientific (!) stuff in mainstream newspapers.

      I would ignore if they said caffeine makes cancer too.

      Coffee industry is huge and can sponsor such scientists (!) as well as some "rival" of them (tea?) can sponsor opposite.

      E.g., the never ending urban legend that artificial sugars cause cancer was triggered by a real (!) scientific survey but it turned out to be they overdosed those poor lab rats.

      Be sure to turn on popup blocker and check
      http://urbanlegends.about.com/sitesearch.htm?terms =cancer&SUName=urbanlegends&TopNode=3919&type=1

      You will see why I am ignoring until my doctor himself says "Don't drink more than 3 coffee or you will get cancer"

  69. Another example of data-mining... by wangxiaohu · · Score: 1
  70. Ulcer by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

    So my coffee induced ulcer will never travel to my liver!?! http://www.ineedcoffee.com/00/03/myths/

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  71. Redbull and Vodka! by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

    Now you can simultaneously prevent, and cause, liver disease with the same magic drink!

    1. Re:Redbull and Vodka! by MrNougat · · Score: 0

      I was going to suggest Kahlua and Coffee. After reading the RedBull and Vodka suggestion, I realize that Kahlua and Coffee is for old people. Or RedBull and Vodka is for young people, one or the other.

      Upon reflection, I am realizing that I would not drink RedBull and Vodka, while I would drink Kahlua and Coffee. Therefore, I have just realized that I am old.

      Thank you, Slashdot, for foisting this realization on me.

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    2. Re:Redbull and Vodka! by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      "Ah, alcohol: the cause of, and solution to, all my problems!" --Homer

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  72. Beer/Coffee Ratio? by KlomDark · · Score: 2, Funny

    How many cups of coffee do I need per beer to prevent scirosis?

  73. Party Pooper by AoT · · Score: 1

    Of course I highly doubt that the *correlation* they seem to have found between coffee and reduced liver disease is really a causal relationship.

  74. Jagerbombs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So drinking jager and redbull is cancelling out he negative effects on my liver?

    sweeeeeeeeeeeet!

  75. Aiee! by Jugalator · · Score: 1

    There's "Java" and "speed" in the same sentence again!

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    1. Re:Aiee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes, but it depends on context! For example:

      "Java VMs, even with good JIT compilers, can take time to get up to speed."
      "Java's startup time makes me want to move to a language with more speed."
      "The people who created Java were on speed."

  76. Forget coffee, and Green tea by bleaked · · Score: 1
    Yerba mate has caffeine just like coffee and green tea, yet boasts even more nutritional benefits than both combined.

    The form of caffeine (though disputed whether it is a form or actually caffeine) yerba mate has generally is very easy on the central nervous system, as opposed to coffee. It also contains various other natural stimulants which will get you going far better than coffee ever could.

    In addition, yerba mate will also provide heightened mental clarity to help you slash through literally any task with extreme ease and confidence, be it work, school, a job interview, or a family gathering.

    Personally, it brings me to my 'center'. I am calm, collected, well stimulated, yet in in complete control. And yes, you get a wonderful "buzz".

    Furthermore, Yerba mate contains basically every nutrient and mineral that the human body needs to sustain life. It will also deliver it in a form far easier and far more effective than any pill or multi-vitamin could ever do. Coffee dehydrates you, mate does the exact opposite.

    Yerba mate also promotes REM sleep, so users will often find themselves feeling completely refreshed and well-rested with minimal sleep. This comes in handy for me, where once a week I work a closing shift, then have to open in the morning. I come home, cannot sleep since I need to unwind and end up getting to be very late. I'll sleep for a few hours, and generally awake an hour _before_ my alarm, feeling genuinely well-rested.

    If that is not enough, Yerba mate neutralizes the bacteria in your mouth which causes bad breath!

    But please, when you try it, use the traditional gourd and bombilla. Buying it in tea bags works about as well as one bag of green tea does. Loose grounds, made into paste within the gourd, then drank with the bombilla (straw with holes acting as a filter) and you will only drink coffee to enjoy it, not for the caffeine.

    I recommend this PDF: Yerba mate whitepaper/FAQ.

  77. Joseph Smith says "No" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These results can't possibly be correct, because God revealed to Joseph Smith that coffee and tea are are the devil's drinks.

  78. This Study Brought To You By.... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Funny

    ....The Yankee group, in association with StarBucks!

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  79. wonderful by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 1
    I can see the geeks crowding Starbucks even more now.

    Right next to the Arabian Mocha Sanani is the Shai-Hulud Blend, or the Kwisatz and Kream Roast.

    1. Re:wonderful by AoT · · Score: 1

      Sorry, starbucks' coffee jes' ain't strong enough. I am a big fan of peet's though, made like coffee should be:

      Dark as night
      Think as oil
      Strong as hell

  80. I think the preferred liver-cleansing by GungaDan · · Score: 1

    route of administration for coffee is not oral... something about the rectum having a direct vascular subpathway to the liver for transporting all that cleansing caffeiney goodness...

    Just be sure to cool it to roughly body temperature first. ;-)

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  81. $medical_group study this week shows that... by Ponga · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who the hell listens to these 'studies' anyway!?

  82. Two words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Irish Coffee.

  83. Jolt? Decaf? Control groups? by SpectralDesign · · Score: 1

    (Somehow this originally got attached to: Talking With Debian's Branden Robinson, wtf?)

    TFA doesn't make any mention of control groups, or soda groups, or decaf groups....

    Shall we assume that this study was paid for by the CIA (Coffee-Importers of America)?

    Personally, I get headaches that can sometimes be described as migraines if I have caffiene one day, and not the next, so I guess it's a good thing I hardly ever drink the spirits....

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  84. In all actualness by ackthpt · · Score: 1
    so unless you're fatty fat fat, a lush, or do whatever the hell a person would have to do to have too much iron in their blood, it won't help you much as the article implies.

    Seems to me that coffee, particularly small amounts of strong coffee, are another part of a mediterranean diet.

    We've read about red wine, olive oil and a number of other foods, which seem to indicate your best bet to live long and enjoy dolce vita you should eat at italian, greek, southern french or southern spanish restaurants.

    Really. It is quite difficult to pack in a cheeseburger, fries and coke after a decent meal. And that little cup of espresso was to help you regain your wits enough to totter on home with all that good food in you.

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  85. How was it determined that caffeine was the factor by Eric+Smith · · Score: 1

    How do they know that it was caffeine that was the key factor in preventing liver disease? There are other things in common between tea and coffee, such as flavonoids. Flavonoids are already known to have various health benefits.

  86. Re:Armchair doctor says: by wonkavader · · Score: 1

    Ok, due to two previous posts, I guess I need to clarify: Caffeine, as a diuretic, means you'd pump more water through yer innards. Alcohol might do the same, but if taken in amounts in excess of what your stomach can process has destructive results which would counteract that effect.

    Now, as to stress, that'd be VERY interesting, but it can't be the superficial way the average Joe user thinks about it. The effects of caffeine go away after two weeks of taking it -- by then you're dependant on it, you no longer get a boost, from baseline. All you're seeing when you take your daily doses is the effect of shoving yourself back up to baseline, so I don't think it's caffeine's effect on stress. Now, it might be the daily ritual of sitting and drinking the stuff. Maybe that's such a stress reducer that any such respit would help -- so smoker's might benefit.

    A wacky idea -- you're dependant on caffeine. Without it, you cannot think. Your neurons are producing excessive amounts of inhibitory neurotransmitters in the expectation that caffeine will come along and block the receptors. Maybe it's this DEPENDANT, DEPRESSED STATE which causes the effect. Maybe it's the painful urge for coffee that causes the beneficial stress bump you're talking about.

  87. Also: May have cause and effect swapped. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    How many people in the study were killed off by high blood pressure before they had the chance to develop cancer?

    Good question!

    It seems that any industry can produce a study which says their product is healthy/benificial in some way. But they never tell you the adverse health effects. I would not be supprised if the tobacco industry would run a news story saying smoking decreased colon cancer by .0001% in the population. Too bad it would kill 100X as many from lung cancer.


    Another problem with such studies is that people who are sick (or sickly) tend to change their eating behavior. Someone with early liver problems may avoid caffiene because it makes them feel bad (or because the doctor says to avoid it and they pay attention). Or they may drink less of it because the failing liver isn't breaking it down as fast, so they don't need as much.

    People with liver problems avoiding caffeine will also cause a correlation.

    This was a confounding factor that had to be taken into account when the first studies showed low-level alcohol consumption being associated with a lowered heart attack risk. Eventually they did find that there was some actual benefit from (very) moderate drinking (like one glass of wine with each meal). (I'm not sure if they ever did determine how much, if any, of it was from the alcohol and how much was from the red pigment in wine and grape juice, which is a strong antioxidant.)

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  88. Caffeine/health risks by QuaintRealist · · Score: 1

    Caffeine has not been shown to have any long term effect on blood pressure. It does cause transient increases in new users. Decaffinated coffee has been shown to adversely effect cholesterol levels, but caffinated coffee has not been shown to have this problem. Interestingly, coffee of either kind which was not made using a paper filter (using a percolator, turkish coffee, etc) has been shown to have some adverse effects on lipid levels. Coffee has been shown to have protective effects to a small degree against colon/stomach cancer, and now, maybe, liver disease.

    That was more than you probably wanted to know, but this is something I'm actually informed about for a change.

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    1. Re:Caffeine/health risks by SilentOne · · Score: 1

      My post was more in jest at the way that these things go, and to point out that people might want to take everything in moderation, instead of the typical way that the diet fads go.

      But thanks for the interesting commentary none the less ;)

  89. Ideal diet by lelitsch · · Score: 1

    So a steady diet of Kalhua and Bailey's will let me live forever?

  90. Re:yeah, but is it coffee/tea, or is it the caffin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe we should try to recreate the study ourselves with Jolt and Bawls and see what the results are. Shouldn't be that hard to find a group of people who drink at least 2 of these a day.

  91. Yeah, but... by SHUT_TEH_FACE · · Score: 1

    Yeah, and using Asbestos prevents fires but causes Cancer. One good for one evil still leaves one evil.

  92. OT: Splenda is BAD by Nameles · · Score: 1

    A Google search for splenda returns this as the second result.

    Read the site, and it's info on other artificial sweeteners. I never thought the day would come, but now I see that those "all natural food" hippies have somethin goin for them.

  93. Posters with no sense of humor by xtermin8 · · Score: 1

    Since I found out that heroin burns fat, I've been shooting up daily!!! People start and continue bad habits (and good habits) because of culture, tradition, and pleasure. If they aren't provided with a rationalization in one study, they'll find it somewhere else. Behavior Change is Extremely difficult and complicated, and slashdot "factoids" are pretty harmless. Now excuse me while I save Social Security by smoking myself to an early grave. (look it up, early death by smokings saves health costs!)

    1. Re:Posters with no sense of humor by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Funny, I didn't think the original article was supposed to be humorous. The point he makes is very important and not heard enough amougnst all the hype on each side.

  94. I have drug A, and it heals alzheimer,parkinson... by burni · · Score: 1

    1.) yes coffee is an ultimate cure for nearly every desease even AIDS
    2.) it&#180;s a product by Idiotic Design, so it must be good
    3.) it&#180;s black, bitter and your mouth stinks after consumption

    It&#180;s the 100th time that somebody has found out what coffee can do, or
    better is expected to do, these /. postings sound the same that producer of convenience foods say about their products, they can help loosing weight, live longer, make you less poop and so on, but do they have the slightest proove ?

    No, they have mostly selfpayed researchers saying what they want,
    it&#180;s like a MS funded study do you believe ?

    Do you know what Sir W. Churchill would say to these studies, mostly based
    on statistic evaluation instead of research ?

  95. Other side effects though by saskboy · · Score: 1

    Did they monitor the rate at which regular tea drinkers get kidney stones? I've heard that the rate that milk-in-tea drinkers have, is higher than other groups, possibly because of the tanic acid in the tea, and the calcium in the milk. Sorry I can't cite a source.

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  96. 2 pots by mla_anderson · · Score: 1

    Well at 2 pots/day I guess I'm 1/16 as likely to develop liver disease.

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  97. Benjamin Disraeli once said: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics."

  98. the wisdom of Carlin by xrz1138 · · Score: 1

    The Surgeon General announced today that Saliva causes cancer, but only if take in small amounts for a long period of time. - George Carlin

  99. irish coffee: the perfect food by meta · · Score: 1
    Yes, Irish Coffee is the perfect food. It belongs in all four food groups:
    • fat
    • alcohol
    • sugar
    • caffeine
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  100. Just out! by crache · · Score: 1

    Drinking 8 cups of water a day prevents death!

  101. Good, Aren't I by caffeined · · Score: 1

    Check my name.

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  102. Irish Coffee, for the best of both? by billstewart · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Already one of the world's most perfect drinks, and now we find out that it has health benefits as well. Has there been any positive news about whipped cream's potential health benefits?

    A.C. commented that it's probably because of the diuretic effects of caffeine making you drink more liquids, which was also my first guess. However, it could equally well be incorrect - caffeine tends to dehydrate you more than the liquid in the coffee or tea replenishes, so unless you're careful to make up for it with water or other non-alcoholic non-caffeinated drinks, you mostly tend to have less water in your system.

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    1. Re:Irish Coffee, for the best of both? by Ravadill · · Score: 1

      Actually caffeine isn't the strong diuretic most people think it is, and people who have regular intake also build a resistance that further lowers the diuretic effect, in the end you only lose a very small amount of the water in your coffee or tea due to caffeine. http://www.ific.org/foodinsight/2002/ja/caffdehydn bfi402.cfm

    2. Re:Irish Coffee, for the best of both? by WalksOnDirt · · Score: 1

      "Has there been any positive news about whipped cream's potential health benefits?"

      Yes actually, there are reports it may reduce colon cancer. See:
      http://www.traill.uiuc.edu/dairynet/paperDisplay.c fm?ContentID=6564

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  103. Re: In fact, it seems that suicide would likely .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    be a "SIGN"

    http://www.emergencymedicaled.com/Definitions/Sign s%20and%20Symptoms.htm

    Signs and Symptoms

    Signs and symptoms are diagnostic "tools" which help the assessor determine the condition of the patient.

    The On-Line Medical Dictionary defines them as: "Objective evidence of disease perceptible to the examining physician (sign) and subjective evidence of disease perceived by the patient (symptom.)"

    In layman's terms, "signs" are those "things" that we can see, and "symptoms" are those "things" that the patient tells us. For example: Pain would be a symptom (you can't see it, but the patient can tell you that he/she has pain,) Flinching or "guarding" when touching a painful area would be a sign that the patient is experiencing pain.

    Unless maybe there was a note....

    Also, if suicide is simply defined as "the act of causing one's own death", I think there may be significant examples which do NOT imply insanity. If one person FREELY and thoughtfully chooses a course which will certainly kill that person but will save several others, is that single person insane or an example of something that could legitimately be called heroic (or is that person simply rational, following the optimal solution of a cost-benefits analysis which happens to be incompatible with that person's continued existance?

  104. all 10,000 have liver disease... by LabRat404 · · Score: 0

    is that to say that all 10,000 subjects in the statistics have liver disease? and all of them drink caffine, just some more than others. hmm...

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  105. By those calculations... by VanWEric · · Score: 1

    I have less than a 64th of the chance to develop liver disease than all those pansy "moderation" drinkers. If your caffeine intake ain't got you buzzing like a vibe set to "Yes, very", you ain't drinking properly.

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  106. So is... Dihydrogen Monoxide... by woolio · · Score: 1

    So is dihydrogen monoxide... It has been detected in every cancerous cell and is directly linked to thousands of deaths each year. It has also been linked to food-poisoning, and dysbarism.

    Furthermore, it is known with certainty, that people without this hazardous substance will never get cancer in the future... Also, when this toxin is removed from the body, that person will never get cancer.

    Thus, the necessary action is clear: We must eradicate dihydrogen-monoxide in order to prevent the human race from getting cancer.

    1. Re:So is... Dihydrogen Monoxide... by Havenwar · · Score: 1

      I agree totally. In fact, I agree so much that back in school I did a statistical report on this for a project in math. Since the school was chemistry oriented a lot of people did statistical analyzis on different compounds, and asked the chem prof. about where to find books on the subject. You should have seen his confusion as I asked him where to find studies about the lethal effects of Dihydrogen Monoxide on the human body.

  107. Livers can regenerate! by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 1

    The Liver is very interesting, it is one of the only parts of our body that can regenerate! I've heard that fingertips can also regenerate but I'm not sure if that's true or not.

    1. Re:Livers can regenerate! by tedrlord · · Score: 1

      Well, I sliced off the tip of my thumb with a cheese slicer a year or two ago. You could see the layers of skin like an onion with just red in the middle. There isn't even a scar now, though. I was fairly surprised how well it healed.

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    2. Re:Livers can regenerate! by Illender · · Score: 1

      The Liver is very interesting, it is one of the only parts of our body that can regenerate! I've heard that fingertips can also regenerate but I'm not sure if that's true or not.

      One...of?

      I'm pretty sure that there are many different parts of my body regenerating at any given time.

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  108. well by coconutmnky · · Score: 0

    If 2 cups prevent liver disease, does 4 prevent cancer?