Are there any groups out there who are going to take up the vnc project and expand it any? Or is it basically a dead project that will remain as is due the fact it's been out for a while?
You want to know what the problem w/ this is? No matter what you try to do to help some schools, they're so wrapped up their politics they won't allow you to help them.
I offered to help my old high school out on running their servers etc, but they said no. Why? Because of stupid politics.
Lets look at it this way. They've got the big name companies saying that they're using RH. However as the article states, they didn't pay for a copy of RH for every server. They may buy a couple of licenses and then get the ppl at RH to provide some service.
They need to expand their business, and the way to do that is to go out and let people know who you are and what you can provide them. We have seen from the article that the software itself isn't sustaining them. They need to get the services division up and running and racking more money.
We've all joked about MS having a huge marketing dept and how their product sucked. Now look at RH, their product doesn't really suck, lol barring the RH Linux sucks comments. So if they put the same marketing force out there they might be able to increase their revenues.
I say it might turn out to be one of the best things they've done...or it may bomb and send them back to the drawing board. But either way, it's a start.
Now I know this probably won't happen..but the mention of ATM got my attention.
Wouldn't the use of and embeded version of XP, which will be used for authentication and disbursement of monies, be an incentive for MS to get people and banks to use it's Passport service for authentication/verification etc?
Think about it. They want to get spending data etc, so this would be the perfect opportunity. Now I'm not bashing MS for making an embeded version of XP.
We all know CE wasn't the best...but still are making money out of it and they can most likely capitalize on XP's new features.
Personally I'd stick w/ whatever was already out there for the banking systems...I trust them more than I do MS.
I think that one won't work. Because the only reason you have the upgrade to version 4 is because of the fact that you have version 3.1. If you get rid of your license for 3.1 then I would think that this would somehow drastically affect your rights to use the version 4 upgrade.
Unless of course you made two seperate purchases w/out any discounts.
Well one can hope that we get them to make a decision on this, similar to the one they made for the resale of books and novels.
That was a big decision that was made which basically stated that people are allowed to re-sell any books or novels they get and publishers can't do anything about this.
You can only be greedy for soo long before the courts decide to put a stop to it.
Well yes and no. MS, won't drop support for it. The market place isn't one unified group where you can easily get people to trade their PC's up for a console.
They will appeal to both markets if they use both the console and the PC. Why? Because both makes money and dropping one would cost them too much in profit. Well this is the way the market is now...and has been for a while.
Making games for consoles is hard, you can't be as free as you would like to be on all your resources. Yes I know this is slowly changing esp with the PS2 and the X-box. I may not like the X-box personally, but I recognize that it has potential.
Ok so a couple of people are doing it....but to call it a trend? Wouldn't that require a little bit more like about 15% of the broadband subscribers to switch back to modem?
If you were only getting 100Kbps connections, then well...I can see your point it's just slightly double the modem connect...in effect an ISDN line. Which is still faster. However paying $50 a month for that line isn't worth it for that.
Personally Speakeasy kicks ass! I've had them for more than a year now and it's been great! 1.5Mbps down / 768 Kbps up still rocks. You kill me in order to get me to cancel my DSl line and go back the archaic modems.
I'm not calling you an idiot, and don't think that you are. But you don't have to build a new kernel, it's part of the initial kernel setup when you do the initial system setup.
Ok I do realize that you're relatively new to linux. However you did say you're not new to UNIX and in fact you use BSD.
If you even gave it half an effort you would have found your usb support easier to install than you think. All you had to do was look in the kernel config screen and then setup the usb is the misc section I believe.
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't part of the thing from getting away from windows is paying the high price? You can probably upgrade to some version of windows for about $99 from a previous version. My college was giving away about 100 copies of win 95 about 1.5 years ago b/c they never used it.
I understand that there are some costs w/ making the product...but if it's based off of WINE, then isn't that part of the GPL. And since their work would be derived from the WINE project, doesn't the GPL cover this? If this is the case shouldn't it "technically" be released under the GPL as well?
I'm not exactly sure on this but wouldn't that just mean ppl can dl it? Unless of course they decide to hide the code for a long time till legal action is brought to them...then they'll say they're working on the fix...like we've seen before w/ the bttv drivers.
I'm all for doing this...but at what cost does this not warrant actually doing this anymore? If you REALLY want to run windows in your linux/unix platform, then get VMware for about the same price, but what you get is a stable product which works very well and has a proven track record. I'm not trying to discount the work that these ppl are doing/going to do, but it would help if they look at these factors and not sit in the basement and think...Hey! This is a good idea, lets market it and sell it!
A little bit of marketing and business classess would surely teach you better.
It has been my experience with RH that the.2 releases are the most stable and contains less bugs than the.0 or.1 releases. I've run servers with the 6.2 and the 7.0 release and the 6.2 always provides more stability than the 7.0
Of course I never jump on the bandwagon as soon as something is released. I always wait around for ppl to say something and hear complaints.
The only exception to this is Debian, apt-get upgrade using Sid and haven't had a problem yet ^__^
If you read the article it states they've been in court since 1995. Now I dont claim to be any expert on history here, but isn't that about the time when the ppl started offering software for download for a price?
If you read the patent it talks about "A method for reproducing information in material objects utilizing information manufacturing machines located at point of sale locations"
I've read the patent and it does NOT seem to affect EVERYTHING download. In fact it only affects software downloads which are sold. They KNEW about that people could download programs and other files such as images etc, and didn't necessarily pattent that particular thing.
They only pattented software and other downloads which cost money.
This DOES NOT affect everything you download. As it stands, corporations which provides software for download for a price are the ones who can lose out big time on this.
Don't get me wrong, it's not like I'm supporting either side of this argument, but as it stands that company DOES have a valid point
Nice try to cicumvent the law but you'll lose. If you CAREFULLY read the DMCA, you'll notice it says you can't use these techniques to protect something that is illegal. Therefore the RIAA has all rights to decrypt the information you encrypted. Why? Because it's their "intelectual property".
Don't get me wrong, Napster's great, and the idea is great, but people need to start understanding that what they are doing is STEALING. Until you are willing to admit to it, then don't complain about the measures that RIAA are taking. I use Napster for one reason, to get songs from places that the RIAA has no rights to the music. The music I get is impossible to get due to it's location in the world. I would buy the damn cd's if I could buy them.
We in the open source community would cry foul if someone took open source code and did the EXACT same thing. So don't be a hypocryte
Two things, one the actuall thing comes from one of the distributors of anime Rightstuf. They posted that recently, and of course every anime site that posts news regulary like mine [blantant plug]Ultimateanime.com [/blantant plug] posted something about it. Manga, as has been know to the community, doesn't say much on their sites but tells the distributors who then does their PR work for them =)
Secondly, c'mon taco, you knew about these movies before hand. Death & Rebirth true, has been out for quite some time and so has EoE. Some may not like Death and Rebith much, but EoE is awesome.
Personally I think EoE helps bring the series to a closure...if there ever is such a thing in that series. It also explains what happens to a alot of the characters in the final 2 eps. We see several people die off and never find out till EoE, well Kaji is still a mystery.
Here in DC, they're using these robots to lay down the fibre. It's a much nice way of doing things, esp in the nation's 2nd largest congested place.
It lessens the need to rip up the roads and cause huge problems for traffic, as if DC didn't already have enough problems with traffic as it is. The little robots has a camera on it and a little arm which just sets up the wiring and has another tool which attaches it to the sewer pipe.
it's really cool, kinda similar to how some cable companies like Cox is laying down, or up, fibre. They just place a little utility on the wire with the fibre on the cable lines we see hanging above then it binds it to the line. Kinda cool thing.
I'm hoping to get one of those robots so I dont have to drill holes to put in more cables in my house ^__^
Man I should have written the article a couple weeks ago when I saw them doing it but couldn't find it anywhere.
Well it's kinda late for the Dreamcast bit. There's already a project I've heard of that has been trying, if not already successful of getting linux to run on the dreamcast. The purpose? Who knows. Guess it's one of those, "Hey look I ported linux to "
Don't get me wrong, this project seems cool, but the practicality of it evades me.
Well here in the US when I got the census forms to fill out I decided to be a little different and funny. When the field asked what race I was I said and individual =) Nothing wrong about that, because I wasn't lying. I know of at least 200 people I've convinced to fill out the next census with the race of Individual.
"If you doubt that it's 'gonna happen,' then it implies that you either don't understand this, or don't think that Linux is a better product"
Or simply the fact that the aricle stated explicitly that they were looking at either Linux OR Palm OS. I think if they do move from CE, then Palm would be high on the list to move to. Why? Well it's widely accepted, there are many apps for it that you can use, which cuts down on the programming required to get it to work.
If they did decide to go with Linux they will have to look at the infrastructure and see what apps can actually run well, they will have to code a linux, windows and mac client to connect to the device. They must also try to make the linux apps integrate well with the windows apps. Why? Well because those are the features provided by Palm and CE. You dont want to be the only offering a device that will NOT connect to your Outlook Mailbox to get your e-mail.
Don't get me wrong, I love linux and use it everyday and cant wait to get my Yopy, but you have to understand this from a business standpoint. I don't think CmdrTaco is saying he doesn't believe in Linux, he's just looking at this realistically, with the hype removed
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Are there any groups out there who are going to take up the vnc project and expand it any? Or is it basically a dead project that will remain as is due the fact it's been out for a while?
You want to know what the problem w/ this is? No matter what you try to do to help some schools, they're so wrapped up their politics they won't allow you to help them.
I offered to help my old high school out on running their servers etc, but they said no. Why? Because of stupid politics.
Lets look at it this way. They've got the big name companies saying that they're using RH. However as the article states, they didn't pay for a copy of RH for every server. They may buy a couple of licenses and then get the ppl at RH to provide some service.
They need to expand their business, and the way to do that is to go out and let people know who you are and what you can provide them. We have seen from the article that the software itself isn't sustaining them. They need to get the services division up and running and racking more money.
We've all joked about MS having a huge marketing dept and how their product sucked. Now look at RH, their product doesn't really suck, lol barring the RH Linux sucks comments. So if they put the same marketing force out there they might be able to increase their revenues.
I say it might turn out to be one of the best things they've done...or it may bomb and send them back to the drawing board. But either way, it's a start.
Well it will be binding if the SAMBA team decides to use this new technical reference released by MS.
However, if the past is any indication as to what might happen in the future w/ this situation, then we don't need to worry about it.
The SAMBA team has, and hopefully will continue to find ways that make it all work =)
Simple, get a XP boot disk!
Or...get a linux boot disk w/ an ntfs module! LOL live dangerously
Now I know this probably won't happen..but the mention of ATM got my attention.
Wouldn't the use of and embeded version of XP, which will be used for authentication and disbursement of monies, be an incentive for MS to get people and banks to use it's Passport service for authentication/verification etc?
Think about it. They want to get spending data etc, so this would be the perfect opportunity. Now I'm not bashing MS for making an embeded version of XP.
We all know CE wasn't the best...but still are making money out of it and they can most likely capitalize on XP's new features.
Personally I'd stick w/ whatever was already out there for the banking systems...I trust them more than I do MS.
I think that one won't work. Because the only reason you have the upgrade to version 4 is because of the fact that you have version 3.1. If you get rid of your license for 3.1 then I would think that this would somehow drastically affect your rights to use the version 4 upgrade.
Unless of course you made two seperate purchases w/out any discounts.
Well one can hope that we get them to make a decision on this, similar to the one they made for the resale of books and novels.
That was a big decision that was made which basically stated that people are allowed to re-sell any books or novels they get and publishers can't do anything about this.
You can only be greedy for soo long before the courts decide to put a stop to it.
It's about time they finally made a sensible decision on these EULA's that state you can't sell off software you bought.
Hopefully this sets some sort of precedent so that others can benefit from this.
Well yes and no. MS, won't drop support for it. The market place isn't one unified group where you can easily get people to trade their PC's up for a console.
They will appeal to both markets if they use both the console and the PC. Why? Because both makes money and dropping one would cost them too much in profit. Well this is the way the market is now...and has been for a while.
Making games for consoles is hard, you can't be as free as you would like to be on all your resources. Yes I know this is slowly changing esp with the PS2 and the X-box. I may not like the X-box personally, but I recognize that it has potential.
I use Gandi.net and so far they are the best. They're only $8 per domain and they give you COMPLETE control over the domain.
In fact YOU are the one who controls the domain. You are the one who owns the domain, unlike verisign.
Ok so a couple of people are doing it....but to call it a trend? Wouldn't that require a little bit more like about 15% of the broadband subscribers to switch back to modem?
If you were only getting 100Kbps connections, then well...I can see your point it's just slightly double the modem connect...in effect an ISDN line. Which is still faster. However paying $50 a month for that line isn't worth it for that.
Personally Speakeasy kicks ass! I've had them for more than a year now and it's been great! 1.5Mbps down / 768 Kbps up still rocks. You kill me in order to get me to cancel my DSl line and go back the archaic modems.
I'm not calling you an idiot, and don't think that you are. But you don't have to build a new kernel, it's part of the initial kernel setup when you do the initial system setup.
Ok I do realize that you're relatively new to linux. However you did say you're not new to UNIX and in fact you use BSD.
If you even gave it half an effort you would have found your usb support easier to install than you think. All you had to do was look in the kernel config screen and then setup the usb is the misc section I believe.
Next time it would help if you read the docs
One would think they would try to do that. But I guess they need some sort of starting point.
Ok so I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt but it's not working =)
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't part of the thing from getting away from windows is paying the high price? You can probably upgrade to some version of windows for about $99 from a previous version. My college was giving away about 100 copies of win 95 about 1.5 years ago b/c they never used it.
I understand that there are some costs w/ making the product...but if it's based off of WINE, then isn't that part of the GPL. And since their work would be derived from the WINE project, doesn't the GPL cover this? If this is the case shouldn't it "technically" be released under the GPL as well?
I'm not exactly sure on this but wouldn't that just mean ppl can dl it? Unless of course they decide to hide the code for a long time till legal action is brought to them...then they'll say they're working on the fix...like we've seen before w/ the bttv drivers.
I'm all for doing this...but at what cost does this not warrant actually doing this anymore? If you REALLY want to run windows in your linux/unix platform, then get VMware for about the same price, but what you get is a stable product which works very well and has a proven track record. I'm not trying to discount the work that these ppl are doing/going to do, but it would help if they look at these factors and not sit in the basement and think...Hey! This is a good idea, lets market it and sell it!
A little bit of marketing and business classess would surely teach you better.
It has been my experience with RH that the .2 releases are the most stable and contains less bugs than the .0 or .1 releases. I've run servers with the 6.2 and the 7.0 release and the 6.2 always provides more stability than the 7.0
Of course I never jump on the bandwagon as soon as something is released. I always wait around for ppl to say something and hear complaints.
The only exception to this is Debian, apt-get upgrade using Sid and haven't had a problem yet ^__^
If you read the article it states they've been in court since 1995. Now I dont claim to be any expert on history here, but isn't that about the time when the ppl started offering software for download for a price?
I've read the patent and it does NOT seem to affect EVERYTHING download. In fact it only affects software downloads which are sold. They KNEW about that people could download programs and other files such as images etc, and didn't necessarily pattent that particular thing.
They only pattented software and other downloads which cost money.
This DOES NOT affect everything you download. As it stands, corporations which provides software for download for a price are the ones who can lose out big time on this.
Don't get me wrong, it's not like I'm supporting either side of this argument, but as it stands that company DOES have a valid point
Don't get me wrong, Napster's great, and the idea is great, but people need to start understanding that what they are doing is STEALING. Until you are willing to admit to it, then don't complain about the measures that RIAA are taking. I use Napster for one reason, to get songs from places that the RIAA has no rights to the music. The music I get is impossible to get due to it's location in the world. I would buy the damn cd's if I could buy them.
We in the open source community would cry foul if someone took open source code and did the EXACT same thing. So don't be a hypocryte
Secondly, c'mon taco, you knew about these movies before hand. Death & Rebirth true, has been out for quite some time and so has EoE. Some may not like Death and Rebith much, but EoE is awesome.
Personally I think EoE helps bring the series to a closure...if there ever is such a thing in that series. It also explains what happens to a alot of the characters in the final 2 eps. We see several people die off and never find out till EoE, well Kaji is still a mystery.
It lessens the need to rip up the roads and cause huge problems for traffic, as if DC didn't already have enough problems with traffic as it is. The little robots has a camera on it and a little arm which just sets up the wiring and has another tool which attaches it to the sewer pipe.
it's really cool, kinda similar to how some cable companies like Cox is laying down, or up, fibre. They just place a little utility on the wire with the fibre on the cable lines we see hanging above then it binds it to the line. Kinda cool thing.
I'm hoping to get one of those robots so I dont have to drill holes to put in more cables in my house ^__^
Man I should have written the article a couple weeks ago when I saw them doing it but couldn't find it anywhere.
Don't get me wrong, this project seems cool, but the practicality of it evades me.
Well here in the US when I got the census forms to fill out I decided to be a little different and funny. When the field asked what race I was I said and individual =) Nothing wrong about that, because I wasn't lying. I know of at least 200 people I've convinced to fill out the next census with the race of Individual.
Or simply the fact that the aricle stated explicitly that they were looking at either Linux OR Palm OS. I think if they do move from CE, then Palm would be high on the list to move to. Why? Well it's widely accepted, there are many apps for it that you can use, which cuts down on the programming required to get it to work.
If they did decide to go with Linux they will have to look at the infrastructure and see what apps can actually run well, they will have to code a linux, windows and mac client to connect to the device. They must also try to make the linux apps integrate well with the windows apps. Why? Well because those are the features provided by Palm and CE. You dont want to be the only offering a device that will NOT connect to your Outlook Mailbox to get your e-mail.
Don't get me wrong, I love linux and use it everyday and cant wait to get my Yopy, but you have to understand this from a business standpoint. I don't think CmdrTaco is saying he doesn't believe in Linux, he's just looking at this realistically, with the hype removed