You deserve the 5 points of insightful, you hit the nail right on the head. As a computer reseller, people don't so much care about quality or the fact that we assemble our computers here in Canada... they want whatever's cheapest and they'll morally validate their decisions however they can.
What a lot of people fail to realize is that Intel GPU's are made with power consumption and heat generation in mind, not playing the latest and greatest 3D engine. If they oriented themselves towards pursuing high end 3D gaming, who knows what would happen?
Agreed. When I was younger it seemed Slashdot was a home to experts and intellectuals of all fields (some beyond me), but lately I've noticed a lot of sensationalism and immaturity in the post quality. Either I'm getting smarter as I age, or the bar has been lowered.
No kidding. The OP is now asking for traps to prevent you from downloading tools for OS's that you don't have? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can download Linux tools on Windows, Windows tools on Mac's, Beos tools on OS/2... this isn't an issue!!!
The OP should be moderated troll.
Sorry nubbins, that's not the same thing at all, and they're not monitoring downloads. What you have is a traditional letter that ISPs forward when requested by MPAA, RIAA, whatever team of lawyers have your IP address matching to a specific date or time. Those standard letters have been handed out for at least 10 years.
The MTBF is the same or better than other *enterprise* mechanical drives, at 1.2 - 2 million hours MTBF, let alone home user drives which are considerably less. Obvious troll fails.
You're missing the point and fear mongering - these drives aren't used in data centers for mission critical data, they're home user SATA drives. I'm not going to go out and buy a $1,400 LTO-4 solution to backup my movies and music when the likelihood that propagated corruption across my entire RAID array is extremely unlikely and somewhat ridiculous for you to suggest. I could easily come up with my own 'what-if' scenarios in the opposite direction, but that's silly. RAID-5 was "good enough" for me for many years, RAID-6 is "even better" now. I've had many drives fail over the years, and I've never had a catastrophic issue.
What a thunderous grasp of the obvious, Captain obvious - I assume that's why it's not called BAID. I do, however, contest the second part of your statement as my data on my personal RAID-6 array has been very "safe and happy" for a couple years now and survived a few catastrophic drive failures without the use of an expensive backup solution.
I would mod you up if I had the points, as you have a good handle on the situation. Egypt is a moderate islamic country and the *majority* of people are happier to have the government currently in place than an extremist muslim group.
Unfortunately, westerners hear the alarms of repression and assume the people are being kept under the government's thumb when in actuality the only people being truly repressed are the extremist groups and those that support them. These groups use this to appeal to those outside of the country who might not understand the situation and provide them with sympathy.
Egypt still has its problems, and it's not the government. There's a reason every car that enters City Stars is checked for bombs or the militaristic crackdown following the tourist killings a few years back.
I used to receive multiple calls daily on my Bell line after a new phone number was added to the phone book. I registered with both the CRTC do not call list and Michael Geist's ioptout.ca and my the amount of calls I received dropped dramatically within a month or two.
I occasionally had blips where the same number would continually call me, so I filled out the CRTC form for each number, and a very helpful woman tracked them both down - one number was Canadian and enforced to stop calling, the other was American and could not be legally bound to stop, however she politely asked them to stop calling me and they did. For those in this post that claim they contacted the CRTC and they wouldn't help, I don't believe you
No, I don't. I remember when they shifted to one year warranty drives. I remember when Seagate drives that had and have (R)'s on them, won't last longer than a week. I remember their first generation UDMA drive debacle. I remember a company I worked for receiving a large cheque from Seagate for a highly disturbing RMA failure rate.
I don't know why you were moderated Troll, and if I had points I'd moderate you back up. It seems as though people in their (arguably) economically sound first world countries don't realize the attitude people have for items of enjoyment. If they can have them for free and they don't see anyone being physically hurt by their stealing, they feel perfectly justified in doing it. You're absolutely right.
You're talking out of your ass. The three times I've called Microsoft's regular 1-800 server support lines lead to people who spoke very clear English, two from USA and the third with an upper crust British accent who spoke better English than myself.
Of the three times I've called, two of those lead to hotfixes that were provided free of charge and all of the calls were 'after hours.'
I clicked on the comments section to post *exactly* what you wrote regarding my car + library, as that's what myself and my father did when I was a young lad. N
Your logic reversal has confused me. I believe the idea is that *nobody* should be offended. I'm an agnostic atheist, but I still enjoy the 'holiday spirit' and it doesn't bother me when I'm wished a Merry Christmas, Happy Feast, Happy Holidays, Happy Hanukah, whatever the celebration is in whatever country I'm in. People go out of their way to be offended by things they shouldn't be, and that's the heart of the issue.
I used Firefox with a host of extensions, more than most people, and yet I don't miss them at all since switching to Chrome. While I was surprised to learn that Slashdot has advertising embedded in it, it doesn't bother me at all due to the rendering speed. When I occasionally use Firefox on other systems, it feels like I'm riding on a slow moving turtle.
Nobody said it was a better 'official' choice. Use what you know and like. For me, FreeBSD is terribly stable from years of personal use so that's what I'll use. Arguably it could be just as secure or more secure as any OpenBSD box, up to the extent of the knowledge of the creator. Out of the box, OpenBSD might be more secure for someone without the knowledge to go the distance, and that might be the best choice for them.
Ah, I apologize, I misunderstood your post as suggesting that the softupdates implementation itself was buggy. Since my proxy systems don't crash, I've never had an issue with softupdates and losing data. It's bound to happen, of course, and in that instance the FS will be fsck'd if it's corrupted. You're right, for this purpose, data loss isn't a big deal.
I agree with you, as I have a number of FreeBSD qmail servers in production and do not use softupdates or any forms of caching, and in the many years they've been running we've never had a single instance of data loss. At the time those decisions were made, we didn't feel as comfortable with the Linux kernel as we did with FreeBSD. Since then, we've done a few larger Postfix servers on Linux and they've been equally reliable but we don't have enough long term trends with Linux to determine if that was the right choice.
Same here. My last squid proxy server was for a local small business, about 50 users, on one of their old dual P3 1u servers w/1GB RAM they were going to throw out. Uptime 6 months now and humming along nicely.
Using FreeBSD 6.3, Squid 2.6 for caching, a nice script called LightSquid for user web usage reporting, Apache 1.3.3.7 for displaying the web logs, OpenLdap to log Windows usernames and a few other things here and there, for a perfectly transparent web proxy. None of the users have any idea they're being logged and the internet usage has dropped dramatically since it's being cached.
Been using softupdates on various versions of FreeBSD for years on production web caching servers hosting hundreds of users - I'm also not sure what he means by 'data gamble.'
I've been sticking with the 6.x branch (6.4 most recently) as it's given me extremely reliable uptime with my Squid proxy servers. FreeBSD 7.0 excited me with their SMP updates and ULE scheduler aiding in performance, however I wasn't convinced that the long standing FreeBSD stability was there after reading a number of newsgroup discussions, and due to its immaturity. Now that 7.1 has been released, I'm going to start taking it more seriously for production use.
That being said, regarding some of the comments here, FreeBSD (in my opinion) is more suited to uptime, stability, and reliability in servers than it is to offering a performance oriented desktop experience. Want a good starter project? Try to make a FreeBSD stateful firewall with transparent proxy server (pf / squid) for your home using some spare parts you have kicking around.
Even the greenest IT employee knows that mirroring is to protect against hard drive failure and not software corruption. Obviously someone felt they knew better than people that actually know better, or someone didn't consult the right people. This is the end result. Tape, USB keys, disc backup... there's so many debatable methods of backing up that there's no excuse for this one.
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You deserve the 5 points of insightful, you hit the nail right on the head. As a computer reseller, people don't so much care about quality or the fact that we assemble our computers here in Canada... they want whatever's cheapest and they'll morally validate their decisions however they can.
What a lot of people fail to realize is that Intel GPU's are made with power consumption and heat generation in mind, not playing the latest and greatest 3D engine. If they oriented themselves towards pursuing high end 3D gaming, who knows what would happen?
Agreed. When I was younger it seemed Slashdot was a home to experts and intellectuals of all fields (some beyond me), but lately I've noticed a lot of sensationalism and immaturity in the post quality. Either I'm getting smarter as I age, or the bar has been lowered.
No kidding. The OP is now asking for traps to prevent you from downloading tools for OS's that you don't have? That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can download Linux tools on Windows, Windows tools on Mac's, Beos tools on OS/2... this isn't an issue!!! The OP should be moderated troll.
Sorry nubbins, that's not the same thing at all, and they're not monitoring downloads. What you have is a traditional letter that ISPs forward when requested by MPAA, RIAA, whatever team of lawyers have your IP address matching to a specific date or time. Those standard letters have been handed out for at least 10 years.
The MTBF is the same or better than other *enterprise* mechanical drives, at 1.2 - 2 million hours MTBF, let alone home user drives which are considerably less. Obvious troll fails.
You're missing the point and fear mongering - these drives aren't used in data centers for mission critical data, they're home user SATA drives. I'm not going to go out and buy a $1,400 LTO-4 solution to backup my movies and music when the likelihood that propagated corruption across my entire RAID array is extremely unlikely and somewhat ridiculous for you to suggest. I could easily come up with my own 'what-if' scenarios in the opposite direction, but that's silly. RAID-5 was "good enough" for me for many years, RAID-6 is "even better" now. I've had many drives fail over the years, and I've never had a catastrophic issue.
What a thunderous grasp of the obvious, Captain obvious - I assume that's why it's not called BAID. I do, however, contest the second part of your statement as my data on my personal RAID-6 array has been very "safe and happy" for a couple years now and survived a few catastrophic drive failures without the use of an expensive backup solution.
I would mod you up if I had the points, as you have a good handle on the situation. Egypt is a moderate islamic country and the *majority* of people are happier to have the government currently in place than an extremist muslim group.
Unfortunately, westerners hear the alarms of repression and assume the people are being kept under the government's thumb when in actuality the only people being truly repressed are the extremist groups and those that support them. These groups use this to appeal to those outside of the country who might not understand the situation and provide them with sympathy.
Egypt still has its problems, and it's not the government. There's a reason every car that enters City Stars is checked for bombs or the militaristic crackdown following the tourist killings a few years back.
I used to receive multiple calls daily on my Bell line after a new phone number was added to the phone book. I registered with both the CRTC do not call list and Michael Geist's ioptout.ca and my the amount of calls I received dropped dramatically within a month or two.
I occasionally had blips where the same number would continually call me, so I filled out the CRTC form for each number, and a very helpful woman tracked them both down - one number was Canadian and enforced to stop calling, the other was American and could not be legally bound to stop, however she politely asked them to stop calling me and they did. For those in this post that claim they contacted the CRTC and they wouldn't help, I don't believe you
No, I don't. I remember when they shifted to one year warranty drives. I remember when Seagate drives that had and have (R)'s on them, won't last longer than a week. I remember their first generation UDMA drive debacle. I remember a company I worked for receiving a large cheque from Seagate for a highly disturbing RMA failure rate.
I don't know why you were moderated Troll, and if I had points I'd moderate you back up. It seems as though people in their (arguably) economically sound first world countries don't realize the attitude people have for items of enjoyment. If they can have them for free and they don't see anyone being physically hurt by their stealing, they feel perfectly justified in doing it. You're absolutely right.
You're talking out of your ass. The three times I've called Microsoft's regular 1-800 server support lines lead to people who spoke very clear English, two from USA and the third with an upper crust British accent who spoke better English than myself.
Of the three times I've called, two of those lead to hotfixes that were provided free of charge and all of the calls were 'after hours.'
I clicked on the comments section to post *exactly* what you wrote regarding my car + library, as that's what myself and my father did when I was a young lad. N
Your logic reversal has confused me. I believe the idea is that *nobody* should be offended. I'm an agnostic atheist, but I still enjoy the 'holiday spirit' and it doesn't bother me when I'm wished a Merry Christmas, Happy Feast, Happy Holidays, Happy Hanukah, whatever the celebration is in whatever country I'm in. People go out of their way to be offended by things they shouldn't be, and that's the heart of the issue.
I used Firefox with a host of extensions, more than most people, and yet I don't miss them at all since switching to Chrome. While I was surprised to learn that Slashdot has advertising embedded in it, it doesn't bother me at all due to the rendering speed. When I occasionally use Firefox on other systems, it feels like I'm riding on a slow moving turtle.
Nobody said it was a better 'official' choice. Use what you know and like. For me, FreeBSD is terribly stable from years of personal use so that's what I'll use. Arguably it could be just as secure or more secure as any OpenBSD box, up to the extent of the knowledge of the creator. Out of the box, OpenBSD might be more secure for someone without the knowledge to go the distance, and that might be the best choice for them.
Ah, I apologize, I misunderstood your post as suggesting that the softupdates implementation itself was buggy. Since my proxy systems don't crash, I've never had an issue with softupdates and losing data. It's bound to happen, of course, and in that instance the FS will be fsck'd if it's corrupted. You're right, for this purpose, data loss isn't a big deal.
I agree with you, as I have a number of FreeBSD qmail servers in production and do not use softupdates or any forms of caching, and in the many years they've been running we've never had a single instance of data loss. At the time those decisions were made, we didn't feel as comfortable with the Linux kernel as we did with FreeBSD. Since then, we've done a few larger Postfix servers on Linux and they've been equally reliable but we don't have enough long term trends with Linux to determine if that was the right choice.
Same here. My last squid proxy server was for a local small business, about 50 users, on one of their old dual P3 1u servers w/1GB RAM they were going to throw out. Uptime 6 months now and humming along nicely.
Using FreeBSD 6.3, Squid 2.6 for caching, a nice script called LightSquid for user web usage reporting, Apache 1.3.3.7 for displaying the web logs, OpenLdap to log Windows usernames and a few other things here and there, for a perfectly transparent web proxy. None of the users have any idea they're being logged and the internet usage has dropped dramatically since it's being cached.
Been using softupdates on various versions of FreeBSD for years on production web caching servers hosting hundreds of users - I'm also not sure what he means by 'data gamble.'
Did you check ports?
I've been sticking with the 6.x branch (6.4 most recently) as it's given me extremely reliable uptime with my Squid proxy servers. FreeBSD 7.0 excited me with their SMP updates and ULE scheduler aiding in performance, however I wasn't convinced that the long standing FreeBSD stability was there after reading a number of newsgroup discussions, and due to its immaturity. Now that 7.1 has been released, I'm going to start taking it more seriously for production use.
That being said, regarding some of the comments here, FreeBSD (in my opinion) is more suited to uptime, stability, and reliability in servers than it is to offering a performance oriented desktop experience. Want a good starter project? Try to make a FreeBSD stateful firewall with transparent proxy server (pf / squid) for your home using some spare parts you have kicking around.
When was the last time a white anglo saxon christian tried to commandeer and/or blow up an airplane in America?
Even the greenest IT employee knows that mirroring is to protect against hard drive failure and not software corruption. Obviously someone felt they knew better than people that actually know better, or someone didn't consult the right people. This is the end result. Tape, USB keys, disc backup... there's so many debatable methods of backing up that there's no excuse for this one.
Funny or not, that's an excellent point.