I thought eBay used Java, no? Technorati uses Java and is pretty big [1]. Simpy [2] uses Java. Indeed [3] uses Java. All 3 use Lucene [4] (Java search engine)
I think this is just another proof that Google is not that much different from Microsoft. They are playing a similar game, and they have to, because how else can they survive? Remember Google's claims they're a search company? Yeah, they said that. Now they have email, Usenet, news, shopping, a personalized page that smells like a mini-portal, etc.
These are just the market forces. The same ones that created brain drain in other countries when the young, able, and smart left their homes to accept scholarships in U.S. colleges and universities, work on their PhDs in MITs, Caltechs, and Stanfords. This is the natural course of events and should be left alone. In the end the universe will remain in the balance. If you don't trust me, ask Yoda.
Who's going to enter URLs + bookmark names by hand? They should just let me import my bookmarks from elsewhere. For example, from Simpy, using its REST API: http://www.simpy.com/simpy/service/api/rest/
I recently read a blog post by a VC who took a different approach to predicting the future employment rates in the U.S. As a VC, he looked at VC investment in the past N months in the U.S., looked at how "early" those investments were, and basically concluded that since there was a lot of investing, these companies will be growing and hiring people. I don't know how big of a drop in the sea of employment this is, but I thought it was an interesting way of analyzing the situation.
Uh, I wouldn't be so quick to say that. I don't even own an Apple computer at this time, but just because somebody has a small market share _now_, it doesn't mean that will always remain this way. Linux once had a small market share, for example. Microsoft itself was born because of IBM's mistake - maybe they, too, ignored Billy & the Boys because they had zero market share.
With things like Skype, and Gizmo Project [1], I really don't see the need to use land lines. I haven't had a land line for almost a year now, and never missed it. I pay $0/month in fees, and pay low rates only when I call (I use Merit Call for VOIP).
Nature has perfected keeping things in long-term balance. The more we mess with our environment, and that includes our atmosphere and even the universe, the more damage and disequilibrium we will create.
That is a very interesting, because the _main_ eBay search guy, Louis Monier (also the guy behind AltaVista technology), just announced he is leaving eBay and going to Google:
Microsoft's #1 flaw is that they want to be better than everyone in everything under the Sun. They need to learn to let go (Luke) and let the world be.
Sunbird is, as far as I understand, going to be abandoned.
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Shortcuts and symlinks are difficult because they need extra management - what happens to the symlink once you remove the target file? You get a dangling symlink.:(
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Meta data is pretty cheap, actually. It's provided by authors of documents, web pages, blogs, etc., augmented by consumers of these resources, can be automatically extracted with software tools, etc.
The problem with the above example is that we are talking about a handful of files, while the limitations of folders show most when dealing with a large number of files and folders. Even you used the word "resume-ish" - clearly, things get fuzzy, and it becomes increasingly harder to find a perfect folder for your files.... and, you got me curious about that RDBMS now, care to share?
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There is one thing that's a little tough with folders. You have a resume Word document, and you need to save it somewhere. Where do you save it? Which folder? Job? Personal? Career? Job Hunt? What if it fits in all of them, somewhat, as it does in this case? Oh, shortcuts/symlinks? A little hacky and hard to maintain. This is one of the problems solved by tagging systems (see below for an example). With tagging I don't need to know which folder my resume document is in, I'll just tag it with all relevant labels, and I'll find it later on in no time.
http://simpy.com/ is built around this concept, and so far its been working great and people are loving it, so I think tagging is an improvement over folders.
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How often do you use Yahoo's Directory or ODP? Do they still exist?;)
There are lots of ways to organize data without folders. Think meta-data, think automatic classification and clustering, thing labelling/tagging, etc. All of this can be done at "save time"! [1] -- link with an example at the bottom.
Also, you don't need your files to be in certain places, really. You only really need to be able to get to it quickly. When you don't need a file, who cares where it is, as long as it is somewhere, and as long as I can open it in less time and with less effort.
For instance, you may have your CV/resume saved somewhere on your computer. How often do you look at that file? Every few months or years? So who cares which folder it's in, as long as when you want to apply for a job you can type in "resume" and pull up your file in less than a few seconds.
I've been saying this for a loooong time, so I'm happy to see that Apple has integrated this into the OS, and that people finally dig search. Simpy [1], a social bookmarking site with tagging and full-text search (and NO folders/categories!:)) is built on this premise, and so far people are very happy with it.
Oh, I think you don't really need order there. Maybe in the real, physical world, but in the world of information things are, I believe, a bit different: as long as you can formulate, expand and contract your query, you will be able to find that needle in the haystack, or at least get very close to it.
For instance, I was setting up Postfix a few weeks ago, and saved a few links to useful resources in Simpy [1]. I now wanted look it up, and found it with a single search. Had I not found it with a single search, I could use the '- ~ +' options to prohibit, add, or require additional search terms (tags in Simpy's case). Eventually I'd nail it. But luckily, when you have a searchable index, you can just enter all relevant terms at once, as opposed to getting to the target only a small step (open folder) at a time.
[1] demo/demo account for Simpy to see some of this stuff in action.
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I thought eBay used Java, no?
? q=&url=technorati.com? q=&url=indeed.com
Technorati uses Java and is pretty big [1].
Simpy [2] uses Java.
Indeed [3] uses Java.
All 3 use Lucene [4] (Java search engine)
[1] http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details
[2] http://simpy.com/
[3] http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details
[4] http://lucene.apache.org/
I think this is just another proof that Google is not that much different from Microsoft. They are playing a similar game, and they have to, because how else can they survive? Remember Google's claims they're a search company? Yeah, they said that. Now they have email, Usenet, news, shopping, a personalized page that smells like a mini-portal, etc.
These are just the market forces. The same ones that created brain drain in other countries when the young, able, and smart left their homes to accept scholarships in U.S. colleges and universities, work on their PhDs in MITs, Caltechs, and Stanfords. This is the natural course of events and should be left alone. In the end the universe will remain in the balance. If you don't trust me, ask Yoda.
Who's going to enter URLs + bookmark names by hand?
They should just let me import my bookmarks from elsewhere. For example, from Simpy, using its REST API:
http://www.simpy.com/simpy/service/api/rest/
He must have filled up somebody's Inbox pretty badly.
Who hires these people!???
No, but those are early adopters, and after early adopters come.... late _adopters_. :)
I recently read a blog post by a VC who took a different approach to predicting the future employment rates in the U.S. As a VC, he looked at VC investment in the past N months in the U.S., looked at how "early" those investments were, and basically concluded that since there was a lot of investing, these companies will be growing and hiring people. I don't know how big of a drop in the sea of employment this is, but I thought it was an interesting way of analyzing the situation.
Not according to my web stats (see the sig below).
Uh, I wouldn't be so quick to say that. I don't even own an Apple computer at this time, but just because somebody has a small market share _now_, it doesn't mean that will always remain this way. Linux once had a small market share, for example. Microsoft itself was born because of IBM's mistake - maybe they, too, ignored Billy & the Boys because they had zero market share.
Think outside the U.S. borders. Maybe you can get arrested for that in the U.S., but the world is much larger than the U.S. of A.
Funny, he didn't mention Apple?
With things like Skype, and Gizmo Project [1], I really don't see the need to use land lines. I haven't had a land line for almost a year now, and never missed it. I pay $0/month in fees, and pay low rates only when I call (I use Merit Call for VOIP).
[1] http://www.gizmoproject.com/
review: http://www.techcrunch.com/?cat=45
http://www.google.com/search?q=pi
Nature has perfected keeping things in long-term balance.
The more we mess with our environment, and that includes our atmosphere and even the universe, the more damage and disequilibrium we will create.
That is a very interesting, because the _main_ eBay search guy, Louis Monier (also the guy behind AltaVista technology), just announced he is leaving eBay and going to Google:
http://battellemedia.com/archives/001653.php
If all it takes is $4M, I'd donate $50 to a team who has the knowledge and drive to give this another try soon, and I don't think I'm alone.
Microsoft's #1 flaw is that they want to be better than everyone in everything under the Sun. They need to learn to let go (Luke) and let the world be.
Mozilla Lightning is the future Calendar app from Mozilla:
http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:Lightning
Sunbird is, as far as I understand, going to be abandoned.
Shortcuts and symlinks are difficult because they need extra management - what happens to the symlink once you remove the target file? You get a dangling symlink. :(
This is a good site to read up about tagging vs. categorization: http://www.tagsonomy.com/
Meta data is pretty cheap, actually. It's provided by authors of documents, web pages, blogs, etc., augmented by consumers of these resources, can be automatically extracted with software tools, etc.
... and, you got me curious about that RDBMS now, care to share?
The problem with the above example is that we are talking about a handful of files, while the limitations of folders show most when dealing with a large number of files and folders. Even you used the word "resume-ish" - clearly, things get fuzzy, and it becomes increasingly harder to find a perfect folder for your files.
There is one thing that's a little tough with folders. You have a resume Word document, and you need to save it somewhere. Where do you save it? Which folder? Job? Personal? Career? Job Hunt?
What if it fits in all of them, somewhat, as it does in this case?
Oh, shortcuts/symlinks? A little hacky and hard to maintain. This is one of the problems solved by tagging systems (see below for an example). With tagging I don't need to know which folder my resume document is in, I'll just tag it with all relevant labels, and I'll find it later on in no time.
http://simpy.com/ is built around this concept, and so far its been working great and people are loving it, so I think tagging is an improvement over folders.
How often do you use Yahoo's Directory or ODP? ;)
t +directories and found.... nothing ;)g +hierarchy
Do they still exist?
Interestingly enough, I tried using Google to look for http://www.google.com/search?q=file+system+withou
Well, not true, there are some things here:
http://www.google.com/search?q=file+system+taggin
There are lots of ways to organize data without folders. Think meta-data, think automatic classification and clustering, thing labelling/tagging, etc. All of this can be done at "save time"! [1] -- link with an example at the bottom.
:)) is built on this premise, and so far people are very happy with it.
Also, you don't need your files to be in certain places, really. You only really need to be able to get to it quickly. When you don't need a file, who cares where it is, as long as it is somewhere, and as long as I can open it in less time and with less effort.
For instance, you may have your CV/resume saved somewhere on your computer. How often do you look at that file? Every few months or years? So who cares which folder it's in, as long as when you want to apply for a job you can type in "resume" and pull up your file in less than a few seconds.
I've been saying this for a loooong time, so I'm happy to see that Apple has integrated this into the OS, and that people finally dig search. Simpy [1], a social bookmarking site with tagging and full-text search (and NO folders/categories!
[1] demo/demo account for playing
Oh, I think you don't really need order there. Maybe in the real, physical world, but in the world of information things are, I believe, a bit different: as long as you can formulate, expand and contract your query, you will be able to find that needle in the haystack, or at least get very close to it.
For instance, I was setting up Postfix a few weeks ago, and saved a few links to useful resources in Simpy [1]. I now wanted look it up, and found it with a single search. Had I not found it with a single search, I could use the '- ~ +' options to prohibit, add, or require additional search terms (tags in Simpy's case). Eventually I'd nail it.
But luckily, when you have a searchable index, you can just enter all relevant terms at once, as opposed to getting to the target only a small step (open folder) at a time.
[1] demo/demo account for Simpy to see some of this stuff in action.