The FAA's position is that unless proven otherwise, it is assumed that electrical devices should be assumed to be dangerous. The original posts comment of "those devices haven't been proven to be dangerous" is ass-backwards. Do you really want to fly with things that *might* be dangerous, but haven't yet been *proven* dangerous? The problem is that the FAA is following the laws as now written. Each airline is responsible to "prove" that EACH model of device is SAFE before it is allowed to be used. Clearly that's a complexity and cost that isn't going to happen.
Given all that, I think we all know that most devices aren't going to be a problem. It seems that a change in the regulations is in order. Perhaps during certification of the aircraft, there should be some test of electronic shielding between the avionics and a wide variety of common passenger electronics located in passenger areas. But the FAA is pretty much powerless to change their stand unless the underlying regulations are modified.
Well, we had a browser that was "part of the OS" that they removed from the OS; we had a start button that didn't start anything, their Plays for Sure music doesn't play any more, and now Windows doesn't have any windows. I say they're a bunch of liars!
It started with their stupid proprietary memory chips, like the memory stick that became immediately obsolete after I bought a Sony camera.
Then there was the CD I bought that installed a rootkit on my PC. I had to jump through hoops to get rid of that.
And now another dick move. Frankly, Sony used to be a good an innovative company. The Walkman. The Trinitron TV. They were known for high quality products. Now they are scum. I've had enough of their attempts to lock me into proprietary formats.I have deliberately avoided anything from Sony for at least five years. They won't get ANY of my business any more.They aren't the company they once were.
Wouldn't a stronger pull require less fuel to get there since the Jovian gravity is pulling you there?
That's correct, if your goal is to impact Jupiter.
If your goal is to enter Jupiter's ORBIT however, the strong gravity pull means you have to spend a lot of fuel and increase your speed to match Jupiter's obital velocity, which is quite high.
I don't think this is correct.
You need a lot of fuel to SLOW DOWN to enter Jovian orbit. You're traveling outbound in the Solar System, and you need to slow to go into orbit. And earth orbits way faster, as the orbital speed around the sun increases as you get closer. Just like satellites in earth orbit are faster at lower altitudes.
NASA's existence and funding is practically guaranteed because the US government and military will never allow other countries to exceed the US space capabilities without a fight. Space is the ultimate high ground. The original moon landings were directly related to the US - USSR competition for space and technological advancements. Budgets can always be enlarged if necessary. As it is most countries in the world are still trying to develop tech the US had in the 60's.NASA is still a going concern although some people will never give them any credit unless they produce a warp drive.
Uhhh....no way.
What countries, TODAY, can launch men into space? Answer: China and Russia.
Does NASA have a clear path forward to manned spaceflight? Answer: No - it's many years down the line, if ever.
OK, how about commercial space. Isn't NASA funding commercial space programs? Answer: Yes, but the funding has been dropping rapidly, as powerful lobbying interests (re: Boeing, other established Aerospace players) want to preserve their big cash cows. So wildly innovative companies like SpaceX are in danger of losing funding, all in the name of crony capitalism.
It's all pretty damn depressing if you ask me. I wish you were correct, but you're not.
....would opt out. I'm not an easily paranoid type, but I resent getting x-rayed for non-medical reasons. It's apparent that the correct research has not been done on the safety, and even if the chances of risk are slim, why take the chance? It's reactive security anyway. Opting out is my own little method of civil disobedience. If everybody went for the pat-down the whole system would collapse and they would have to abandon those damn xray scanners.
We DO NOT have to endure them. I regularly opt-out as my own little act of civil protest. I take the patdown. The TSA is not real happy about it, but it's my right. If everybody did this we wouldn't have the scanners in the first place.
Actually from what I've read, the PARC interface was substantially more primitive than the initial Mac interface. For example, it didn't have scrollbars on the windows, or file folders. It was Steve Jobs, personally, who grasped what that "type" of an interface could do, and Steve substantially reengineered it. Today, whether you are using Ubuntu, Windows, or Mac, you are personally using parts of an interface that Steve himself developed in the 1980's.
Sony entertainment had no problems a few years ago fubaring up my XP system by installing a rootkit after I inserted one of their music CD's. Seems they can care less about us, but don't reveal their precious encryption keys.
Between all that and their proprietary memory in digital cameras, I avoid ALL thinks Sony. They aren't worth the time. So sad a former leader of technology has descended so low.
Among the steps needed is for hardware makers to create ARM-compatible drivers, a time-consuming effort that explains in part why Microsoft is talking about the initiative well ahead of any products being ready
Isn't Microsoft always talking about initiatives well ahead of products being ready?
A VERY interesting article with a lot of detail from (I know) Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/26/secret-agent-crippled-irans-nuclear-ambitions/
A bit more detail that I'd read elsewhere. I strongly encourage everybody to read this. Quite an admirable job. But then you think that of course this could happen to control systems in the US as well. We all know countries and organizations that might be happy to attack. I'm sure this sort of thing will only grow in the years ahead.
Given how much of our internet access is being spied on by the government, how could ANYBODY want to trust their critical data to a cloud service? Sounds like Microsoft has Cumulonimbus clouds.
Sony has had isolationism built into their DNA for a long time. The Betamax - proprietary. And I'll tell you that even though I like some of Sony's cameras - they all use Sony's own proprietary Memory Stick formats! I have an older Sony camera and it uses the Memory Stick Duo - a discontinued proprietary format. So I've sworn off Sony forever, and I suggest you all do the same. I also got rootkitted from their copy protected CD. Such a shame from the company that invented the original Walkman. They've ceased to be innovative and are now the worst of the DRM and proprietary crap out there. Screw the customers!
...the country that has cameras on every corner is now sending accounts/passwords to everybody!!?? WTF? Sounds like the ISP has some major process issues; just like putting software into production, you need to have a couple of approval points to prevent this sort of thing.
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Given all that, I think we all know that most devices aren't going to be a problem. It seems that a change in the regulations is in order. Perhaps during certification of the aircraft, there should be some test of electronic shielding between the avionics and a wide variety of common passenger electronics located in passenger areas. But the FAA is pretty much powerless to change their stand unless the underlying regulations are modified.
We went to the moon BEFORE we invented the friggin microprocessor!!! Now that's scary.
Well, we had a browser that was "part of the OS" that they removed from the OS; we had a start button that didn't start anything, their Plays for Sure music doesn't play any more, and now Windows doesn't have any windows. I say they're a bunch of liars!
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
Then there was the CD I bought that installed a rootkit on my PC. I had to jump through hoops to get rid of that.
And now another dick move. Frankly, Sony used to be a good an innovative company. The Walkman. The Trinitron TV. They were known for high quality products. Now they are scum. I've had enough of their attempts to lock me into proprietary formats.I have deliberately avoided anything from Sony for at least five years. They won't get ANY of my business any more.They aren't the company they once were.
Wouldn't a stronger pull require less fuel to get there since the Jovian gravity is pulling you there?
That's correct, if your goal is to impact Jupiter.
If your goal is to enter Jupiter's ORBIT however, the strong gravity pull means you have to spend a lot of fuel and increase your speed to match Jupiter's obital velocity, which is quite high.
I don't think this is correct. You need a lot of fuel to SLOW DOWN to enter Jovian orbit. You're traveling outbound in the Solar System, and you need to slow to go into orbit. And earth orbits way faster, as the orbital speed around the sun increases as you get closer. Just like satellites in earth orbit are faster at lower altitudes.
NASA's existence and funding is practically guaranteed because the US government and military will never allow other countries to exceed the US space capabilities without a fight. Space is the ultimate high ground. The original moon landings were directly related to the US - USSR competition for space and technological advancements. Budgets can always be enlarged if necessary. As it is most countries in the world are still trying to develop tech the US had in the 60's.NASA is still a going concern although some people will never give them any credit unless they produce a warp drive.
Uhhh....no way.
What countries, TODAY, can launch men into space? Answer: China and Russia.
Does NASA have a clear path forward to manned spaceflight? Answer: No - it's many years down the line, if ever.
OK, how about commercial space. Isn't NASA funding commercial space programs? Answer: Yes, but the funding has been dropping rapidly, as powerful lobbying interests (re: Boeing, other established Aerospace players) want to preserve their big cash cows. So wildly innovative companies like SpaceX are in danger of losing funding, all in the name of crony capitalism.
It's all pretty damn depressing if you ask me. I wish you were correct, but you're not.
HOH HOH HOH!
...the camera you're looking for. Move along....
...that we landed on the MOON before the invention of microprocessors! Now that's scary.
....would opt out. I'm not an easily paranoid type, but I resent getting x-rayed for non-medical reasons. It's apparent that the correct research has not been done on the safety, and even if the chances of risk are slim, why take the chance? It's reactive security anyway. Opting out is my own little method of civil disobedience. If everybody went for the pat-down the whole system would collapse and they would have to abandon those damn xray scanners.
We DO NOT have to endure them. I regularly opt-out as my own little act of civil protest. I take the patdown. The TSA is not real happy about it, but it's my right. If everybody did this we wouldn't have the scanners in the first place.
Actually from what I've read, the PARC interface was substantially more primitive than the initial Mac interface. For example, it didn't have scrollbars on the windows, or file folders. It was Steve Jobs, personally, who grasped what that "type" of an interface could do, and Steve substantially reengineered it. Today, whether you are using Ubuntu, Windows, or Mac, you are personally using parts of an interface that Steve himself developed in the 1980's.
...it's not about the children after all.
But you aren't the mainstream. There will always be nerds. But for the average Joe or Jane, Apple's approach is better.
Mod this guy up! Totally agree!
...not Big Brother slowly creeping upon us like in the novel "1984"? I guess if you institute it slowly enough, people just bend over and take it.
...? Because these things are the same? Are you high?
It's Saturday night! What do you think?!!!
Sony entertainment had no problems a few years ago fubaring up my XP system by installing a rootkit after I inserted one of their music CD's. Seems they can care less about us, but don't reveal their precious encryption keys.
Between all that and their proprietary memory in digital cameras, I avoid ALL thinks Sony. They aren't worth the time. So sad a former leader of technology has descended so low.
...for the articles.
Isn't Microsoft always talking about initiatives well ahead of products being ready?
A VERY interesting article with a lot of detail from (I know) Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/26/secret-agent-crippled-irans-nuclear-ambitions/ A bit more detail that I'd read elsewhere. I strongly encourage everybody to read this. Quite an admirable job. But then you think that of course this could happen to control systems in the US as well. We all know countries and organizations that might be happy to attack. I'm sure this sort of thing will only grow in the years ahead.
Given how much of our internet access is being spied on by the government, how could ANYBODY want to trust their critical data to a cloud service? Sounds like Microsoft has Cumulonimbus clouds.
Sony has had isolationism built into their DNA for a long time. The Betamax - proprietary. And I'll tell you that even though I like some of Sony's cameras - they all use Sony's own proprietary Memory Stick formats! I have an older Sony camera and it uses the Memory Stick Duo - a discontinued proprietary format. So I've sworn off Sony forever, and I suggest you all do the same. I also got rootkitted from their copy protected CD. Such a shame from the company that invented the original Walkman. They've ceased to be innovative and are now the worst of the DRM and proprietary crap out there. Screw the customers!
...the country that has cameras on every corner is now sending accounts/passwords to everybody!!?? WTF? Sounds like the ISP has some major process issues; just like putting software into production, you need to have a couple of approval points to prevent this sort of thing.