I was going for a joke. I could make alot more serious criticisms of MS, but I'm sure you've heard most of them. I know performance is more complex than just uptime, and yes, I still use Windows occaisonally. Right now in fact. Because I can't get #@&* ndiswapper to work.
As I said in my original argument, suppose that he is, in fact, guilty, but some actual existing evidence that is needed to prove this cannot be acquired due to a legal technicality. Not that evidence needs to be fabricated.
different frameworks for ethical analysis, and it's also precisely why one must consider multiple frameworks in ethical analysis.
Exactly. So how can one objectively prove that one is, in fact, acting ethically? If under most of the common ethical frameworks used in, let's say the US, one is fine, but under some one is out of line, then what do you do? An array of independant evaluaters can't give each factor a numerical value and add them up to reach an conclusion consistently, even allowing for a margin of error.
What? I think car racing is boring and very dangerous as well as bad for the environment, I think that hockey and American football are to dangerous to be called sports, and I think that dancing is moronic because these days it is basically clothed sex without the fun of the real thing. But I don't think we should ban them. Maybe we should ban all movies with crime in them (like Ocean's 11).
The scary part is I'm pretty sure that would be legal in Japan, as long as it was rated appropriately and didn't have actual child pornstars modeling for it.
If you use ONLY a legal framework, then the cop is dead wrong, period, end of story.
Why? Isn't sexual assault on a minor a bigger crime then say, violating police procedures?
I think you are saying that the means are subjective, but not the ends. That sounds mostly reasonable, but which is ethically better in the end: not increasing the number of broken laws by not bending the rules (which allows the creep to get away) or addng another broken regulation to the pile but getting the creep off the streets (say that the rulebreaking is the only way to achieve this, and won't compromise the case). The subjectivity is picking the ethical system to use, since there isn't one codified into law the same way that many Judeo-Chrisitan morals are.
but I think the motion is awesome. There have been many complaints about one government undermining another. I say fuck the Chinese government. We all (even the former Communist Party propaganda minister) agree that China's censorship laws are way out of line. The government isn't democratic, and the only reason the US government should care about upsetting them is that it will weaken trade, which will slow China's economic and social progress. But why the fuck should individuals all around the world not help out the Chinese? What is their govt. gonna do? "Um... you guys are nice and all with these trade deals, but it seems your citizens are helping undermine us." "Oh, sorry about that. You know how it is, can't keep those damn hackers away from illegal activity. First it's stealing music, then movies, then software, then company secrets, and well, you just can't stop them. It's like moths to a flame. Besides, your guys keep stealing Windows from us." "..."
I don't know how well it works in China (it is Chinese, so it should work) because I haven't been to China in a long time, but my favorite proxy is https://beijing999.com/ . Just scroll down and hit the google link or put the url in the box.
Okay, what about the ethicality of prostitution? Isn't that subjective? Or how about a cop bending the rules to get the evidence he needs? If the guy really is guilty (let's say serial child rapist), but circmunstances or a technicality would prevent the cop from getting evidence needed to lock the guy up.
No. It is immoral for some people to eat pork, but not unethical. Same for many religious beliefs - homosexuality is another. Nudity may be immoral, but it is ethically fine for an adult to read (snicker) Playboy. What the people on the Kansas Board of Education were doing may have been moral (or they may have thought it was) but it was unethical. Ethics are determind by the consensus of society, and morals by religious values. In many cases they coincide. But they are not the same.
Morality is subjective too, yet we have laws for morality, like murder=bad, and leave the subjectivity of things like the moral implications of eating meat on Friday out of the lawbook. When is murder moral? In self defense for one. Knowing where the lines are is important, even if you act in without evil intent you need to know what to do and what not to. Ethics courses can be important, but most politicians that act unethically do so despite knowing full well that what they are doing is unethical or illegal, not because of gray areas.
Snow Crash, especially the pizza delivery part with Y.T. pooning the cars (reminds me of Jet Set/Grind Radio) would look fucking amazing, along with the rest of the book.
I love dreaming of a SC film, and think I could do a really badass one, but StarCraft would be a little hard to do storywise (the story is there but having the characters interact to convey the story would be hard), and although the game is amazingly cool even years after, WAAAAY to much CG would be needed. 10 actors, actual models for maybe a few Terran vehicles and parts of a few Zerg, but CG all else... At worst is might look like a bad Aliens knockoff. I want a suit of Marine armor! Ghosts are badasses too. And Kerrigan is really hot. Okay, fanboy venting complete for that game!
I really liked the atmosphere in Tiberian Sun, and with a little work I'd like to see many of the ideas incorporated into a movie (the apocalyptic, dark, alien, gritty, near-future feel; CABAL, mutants, the Scrin ship, Ion storms, the space station, the cyborgs, the cool armor, etc.) even if it isn't actually a movie of the game.
Revelation Space by Alastair Reynolds would own as a movie, but one movie wouldn't cut it. The entire series (four thick novels) would have to be done for any of it to make sense, and I am afraid of the size constraints like LOTR and (though I hate it I hear about it) Harry Potter.
It's not really SF, but the 1984 crossed with Lord of the Flies book Battle Royale by Koshun Takami is a really great read, and has already been made into a low-budget (i.e. bad) movie in Japan that is a cult favorite. Honestly, an Americanized version of this movie couldn't be worse, and could actually be really good, like the book (which doesn't feel weird for an American the way some Japanese films do).
Starfish by Peter Watts (available for until reprint here http://rifters.com/real/shorts.htm under CC license) could make a really interesting movie, but there is perhaps too much thought and too little dialogue to do without a little creativity or unconventionality. It also isn't really a book for everyone, especially kids. One reviewer called it "horrific porn". But hey, we're all into that kind of stuff. Right? Guys? Guys?
On a a couople of side notes: Hyperion and Dune are too awesome for film. I doubt that it can be done. I predict the Ender's Game movie will suck, and I dread its release. The Resident Evil games, all of them, could have been exactly the same but live action and with updated effects and fewer puzzles, and been awesome movies, and I suspect the Silent Hill series could be too. Valkyrie Profile could also be an awesome movie.
Neon Genesis Evangelion and End of Evangelion is the best anime of all time, and the one of the best SF of all time, and also one of if not the best film/tv series of any kind of all time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untitled_Evangelion_P roject is both insanely cool if done right (i.e. by the original director) because it will be great and everyone here in the US will finally know what I am talking about, but I also see that it has been floating around a while, and I have never seen that turn out well and the original director is working on something else right now, so I am VERY concerned.
Japanese media contains, very frequently compared to the West, things that may be considered lolita or even pedophilic. The line for them is that most anything is permissable in art (i.e. manga, anime, a game) as long as it stays there and did not have a real-life model (i.e. a child pornstar). Pure fantasy is fine, and I say it's better that a pedophile live out his fantasies in a fantasy than in real life. The same applies to simulated violence, like in a movie. The line is reality, on either side of production.
By that argument, human consciousness is just chemicals and therefore not real. That's stupid. ALL human life and emotions are chemical reactions, that doesn't make them less real. Is an operating system not "real" once you understand code and see the source? Some would say that things are even more impressive when you can understand and appreciate them. So then how would I scientifically define "true love"? I would say that two people that are not physically repulsed by each other, that can at least tolerate each other's personalities, habits, and tendancies; that trust and depend on each other (without betraying it), and that live together and overall function well together is as close to real love as anyone can get. Basically it is just two people who can stand each other and trust/support each other. What most people call love is mostly infatuation, I think, (which would explain the divorce rate of the USA) but it can lead to real love.
Most things human are like this - honor, courage, depravity, genius - it is something in realation to other people, with love and friendship being between people. Spirituality exists, it just exists only in the minds of people. So it's not mystically a part of reality, but it exists.
Really, kiddie porn and military information is the only stuff censored. On TV, certain swearwords and boobies (I think this is silly, but not the biggest of concerns). Of course the "think of the children" argument is used waaay to much, parents need to do their own damn parenting.
Watch this: BUSH SUCKS! THE DEMOCRATS SUCK! LIBERTARIANS SUCK! COMMUNISTS SUCK! DOWN WITH AMERICA! DIE SAND NIGGERS! I HATE YOU ALL! HAIL SATAN! HAIL CTHULHU!
See? I'm still here, typing merrily awa- Hey, what? No! I'm innocent! Where are you tak-
We censor pretty much only kiddie porn, which no one will object to, and they censor anything they want, especially anti-government propoganda. Why can't we criticize them for that? Kiddie porn is not free speech.
Here's the difference: BUSH SUCKS!
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See? I'm still here. If this were China, this post would dissapear and soon someone would come and- Oh shit no it was't me I swear I'm innoce-
No thanks, I can find pr0n on my own well enough. Having a computer pick some out for me is a little creepy: Search for [something really creey and borderline illegal] on eBay! Um... no thanks...
Peter Watts's Rifter trilogy will be of interest to anyone who finds this or toxoplasma or even just very well researched hard SF entertaining. Until his first two books resume printing, they are available on his website http://rifters.com/real/shorts.htm under the Creative Commons licencse. Enjoy!
I think it will sound too confusing to most people, but they don't really understand the system anyway. Other than that it sounds like a neat idea to experiment with.
We do have control, it is just inconveniently slow. 20 or 30 years to casuse massive social change is pretty quick compared to the centuries it took many nations of history, but it is a pain in the ass for an individual to wait that long. So it may not seem immediately like we are in control, but the majority will triumph over a court decision in the long run. This is just too long for some - 20-30 years is a big hunk of someone's lifespan.
Also, he US isn't a pure democracy. We vote on representative, who then vote for us (and don't have to vote the way they said that they would). There's the whole Electoral College thing, too. The original idea of this was to balance out the same thing you complained about - people tricking the stupid sheeple into voting for whatever.
I really don't know if we need a more direct democracy, which may have tipped the last election like the Democrats say and/or possibly have less just-as-stupid-people in the system, or a more layered system to stop the stupid people from mattering (though my gut tells me this will lead to corruption and not get rid of the stupids).
The difference between a driver's license and a nat'l ID car, to me, is that one will remain optional (yes I know the UK cards are only for passports now, but for how long?). I may have trouble doing some things without a DL, but I can choose to not get one or get an alternative identification if I choose. A credit card is really hard to live without in this day and age, but it is possible, and you get to pick the company and plan you want, and can terminate it at any time. What privelege would one have that would come with the reponsibility of a National ID? Being a citizen? Living?
is that there is a natural bias in people that when they are at fault, it's circumstance, and when someone else is, it's simply their fault. Just look at road rage.
Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, and should have been for several other things, including rejecting the Osama on a a silver platter from the Pakistanis.
Diebold probably srewed up the election, but remember that prisoners and dead people mysteriously wound up voting Democrat.
L.A. is just plain fucked up. As is California.
Cars are a much bigger (pun intended) part of our culture, primarily because our country is bigger, and having a car to freely travel on nice highways through several states without paperwork or checkpoints is a manifestation of freedom and individuality that has become a staple of our national identity and isn't likely to change soon. Also, we have this notion that we must be busy and doing something all the time, so having a car always available is important, and even essential when all members of a family must be in different places at nearly the same time.
Yes, auto deaths are accidental, but 10% of the defense budget put into auto, road, and driver safety would improve things alot. The Vietnam and WW2 deaths are for comparison. The war in Iaq is NOT a Vietnam quagmire.
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I was going for a joke. I could make alot more serious criticisms of MS, but I'm sure you've heard most of them. I know performance is more complex than just uptime, and yes, I still use Windows occaisonally. Right now in fact. Because I can't get #@&* ndiswapper to work.
the child-rapist is innocent until proven guilty
As I said in my original argument, suppose that he is, in fact, guilty, but some actual existing evidence that is needed to prove this cannot be acquired due to a legal technicality. Not that evidence needs to be fabricated.
different frameworks for ethical analysis, and it's also precisely why one must consider multiple frameworks in ethical analysis.
Exactly. So how can one objectively prove that one is, in fact, acting ethically? If under most of the common ethical frameworks used in, let's say the US, one is fine, but under some one is out of line, then what do you do? An array of independant evaluaters can't give each factor a numerical value and add them up to reach an conclusion consistently, even allowing for a margin of error.
Who wants to use any immature software where correct functioning is important?
I dunno. Why do people use Windows anyway?
performance is the only thing that counts.
Yeah, that's what I keep telling people Linux is all about. Look at that uptime baby!
What? I think car racing is boring and very dangerous as well as bad for the environment, I think that hockey and American football are to dangerous to be called sports, and I think that dancing is moronic because these days it is basically clothed sex without the fun of the real thing. But I don't think we should ban them. Maybe we should ban all movies with crime in them (like Ocean's 11).
a game about raping children
The scary part is I'm pretty sure that would be legal in Japan, as long as it was rated appropriately and didn't have actual child pornstars modeling for it.
If you use ONLY a legal framework, then the cop is dead wrong, period, end of story. Why? Isn't sexual assault on a minor a bigger crime then say, violating police procedures? I think you are saying that the means are subjective, but not the ends. That sounds mostly reasonable, but which is ethically better in the end: not increasing the number of broken laws by not bending the rules (which allows the creep to get away) or addng another broken regulation to the pile but getting the creep off the streets (say that the rulebreaking is the only way to achieve this, and won't compromise the case). The subjectivity is picking the ethical system to use, since there isn't one codified into law the same way that many Judeo-Chrisitan morals are.
Nope, just you. Sicko. I read it as "Chicks to double cluster fuck" and thougt: Yeah, so what? I already have that on my computer.
but I think the motion is awesome. There have been many complaints about one government undermining another. I say fuck the Chinese government. We all (even the former Communist Party propaganda minister) agree that China's censorship laws are way out of line. The government isn't democratic, and the only reason the US government should care about upsetting them is that it will weaken trade, which will slow China's economic and social progress. But why the fuck should individuals all around the world not help out the Chinese? What is their govt. gonna do? "Um... you guys are nice and all with these trade deals, but it seems your citizens are helping undermine us." "Oh, sorry about that. You know how it is, can't keep those damn hackers away from illegal activity. First it's stealing music, then movies, then software, then company secrets, and well, you just can't stop them. It's like moths to a flame. Besides, your guys keep stealing Windows from us." "..."
I don't know how well it works in China (it is Chinese, so it should work) because I haven't been to China in a long time, but my favorite proxy is https://beijing999.com/ . Just scroll down and hit the google link or put the url in the box.
Okay, what about the ethicality of prostitution? Isn't that subjective? Or how about a cop bending the rules to get the evidence he needs? If the guy really is guilty (let's say serial child rapist), but circmunstances or a technicality would prevent the cop from getting evidence needed to lock the guy up.
No. It is immoral for some people to eat pork, but not unethical. Same for many religious beliefs - homosexuality is another. Nudity may be immoral, but it is ethically fine for an adult to read (snicker) Playboy. What the people on the Kansas Board of Education were doing may have been moral (or they may have thought it was) but it was unethical. Ethics are determind by the consensus of society, and morals by religious values. In many cases they coincide. But they are not the same.
And if it breaks up and falls to the Earth in a deathshower, it will be hail!
Morality is subjective too, yet we have laws for morality, like murder=bad, and leave the subjectivity of things like the moral implications of eating meat on Friday out of the lawbook. When is murder moral? In self defense for one. Knowing where the lines are is important, even if you act in without evil intent you need to know what to do and what not to. Ethics courses can be important, but most politicians that act unethically do so despite knowing full well that what they are doing is unethical or illegal, not because of gray areas.
Or can't I "handle the truth"?
Snow Crash, especially the pizza delivery part with Y.T. pooning the cars (reminds me of Jet Set/Grind Radio) would look fucking amazing, along with the rest of the book.
P roject is both insanely cool if done right (i.e. by the original director) because it will be great and everyone here in the US will finally know what I am talking about, but I also see that it has been floating around a while, and I have never seen that turn out well and the original director is working on something else right now, so I am VERY concerned.
I love dreaming of a SC film, and think I could do a really badass one, but StarCraft would be a little hard to do storywise (the story is there but having the characters interact to convey the story would be hard), and although the game is amazingly cool even years after, WAAAAY to much CG would be needed. 10 actors, actual models for maybe a few Terran vehicles and parts of a few Zerg, but CG all else... At worst is might look like a bad Aliens knockoff. I want a suit of Marine armor! Ghosts are badasses too. And Kerrigan is really hot. Okay, fanboy venting complete for that game!
I really liked the atmosphere in Tiberian Sun, and with a little work I'd like to see many of the ideas incorporated into a movie (the apocalyptic, dark, alien, gritty, near-future feel; CABAL, mutants, the Scrin ship, Ion storms, the space station, the cyborgs, the cool armor, etc.) even if it isn't actually a movie of the game.
Revelation Space by Alastair Reynolds would own as a movie, but one movie wouldn't cut it. The entire series (four thick novels) would have to be done for any of it to make sense, and I am afraid of the size constraints like LOTR and (though I hate it I hear about it) Harry Potter.
It's not really SF, but the 1984 crossed with Lord of the Flies book Battle Royale by Koshun Takami is a really great read, and has already been made into a low-budget (i.e. bad) movie in Japan that is a cult favorite. Honestly, an Americanized version of this movie couldn't be worse, and could actually be really good, like the book (which doesn't feel weird for an American the way some Japanese films do).
Starfish by Peter Watts (available for until reprint here http://rifters.com/real/shorts.htm under CC license) could make a really interesting movie, but there is perhaps too much thought and too little dialogue to do without a little creativity or unconventionality. It also isn't really a book for everyone, especially kids. One reviewer called it "horrific porn". But hey, we're all into that kind of stuff. Right? Guys? Guys?
On a a couople of side notes: Hyperion and Dune are too awesome for film. I doubt that it can be done. I predict the Ender's Game movie will suck, and I dread its release. The Resident Evil games, all of them, could have been exactly the same but live action and with updated effects and fewer puzzles, and been awesome movies, and I suspect the Silent Hill series could be too. Valkyrie Profile could also be an awesome movie.
Neon Genesis Evangelion and End of Evangelion is the best anime of all time, and the one of the best SF of all time, and also one of if not the best film/tv series of any kind of all time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untitled_Evangelion_
I think I am forgetting something.
Japanese media contains, very frequently compared to the West, things that may be considered lolita or even pedophilic. The line for them is that most anything is permissable in art (i.e. manga, anime, a game) as long as it stays there and did not have a real-life model (i.e. a child pornstar). Pure fantasy is fine, and I say it's better that a pedophile live out his fantasies in a fantasy than in real life. The same applies to simulated violence, like in a movie. The line is reality, on either side of production.
By that argument, human consciousness is just chemicals and therefore not real. That's stupid. ALL human life and emotions are chemical reactions, that doesn't make them less real. Is an operating system not "real" once you understand code and see the source? Some would say that things are even more impressive when you can understand and appreciate them. So then how would I scientifically define "true love"? I would say that two people that are not physically repulsed by each other, that can at least tolerate each other's personalities, habits, and tendancies; that trust and depend on each other (without betraying it), and that live together and overall function well together is as close to real love as anyone can get. Basically it is just two people who can stand each other and trust/support each other. What most people call love is mostly infatuation, I think, (which would explain the divorce rate of the USA) but it can lead to real love.
Most things human are like this - honor, courage, depravity, genius - it is something in realation to other people, with love and friendship being between people. Spirituality exists, it just exists only in the minds of people. So it's not mystically a part of reality, but it exists.
Take off your tinfoil hat. CNN is less accurate than Wikipedia, it's just because they suck. Hanlon's razor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor
Really, kiddie porn and military information is the only stuff censored.
On TV, certain swearwords and boobies (I think this is silly, but not the biggest of concerns).
Of course the "think of the children" argument is used waaay to much, parents need to do their own damn parenting.
Watch this: BUSH SUCKS! THE DEMOCRATS SUCK! LIBERTARIANS SUCK! COMMUNISTS SUCK! DOWN WITH AMERICA! DIE SAND NIGGERS! I HATE YOU ALL! HAIL SATAN! HAIL CTHULHU!
See? I'm still here, typing merrily awa- Hey, what? No! I'm innocent! Where are you tak-
We censor pretty much only kiddie porn, which no one will object to, and they censor anything they want, especially anti-government propoganda. Why can't we criticize them for that? Kiddie porn is not free speech.
Here's the difference: BUSH SUCKS!
--
See? I'm still here. If this were China, this post would dissapear and soon someone would come and- Oh shit no it was't me I swear I'm innoce-
No thanks, I can find pr0n on my own well enough. Having a computer pick some out for me is a little creepy: Search for [something really creey and borderline illegal] on eBay! Um... no thanks...
Peter Watts's Rifter trilogy will be of interest to anyone who finds this or toxoplasma or even just very well researched hard SF entertaining. Until his first two books resume printing, they are available on his website http://rifters.com/real/shorts.htm under the Creative Commons licencse. Enjoy!
I think it will sound too confusing to most people, but they don't really understand the system anyway. Other than that it sounds like a neat idea to experiment with.
We do have control, it is just inconveniently slow. 20 or 30 years to casuse massive social change is pretty quick compared to the centuries it took many nations of history, but it is a pain in the ass for an individual to wait that long. So it may not seem immediately like we are in control, but the majority will triumph over a court decision in the long run. This is just too long for some - 20-30 years is a big hunk of someone's lifespan.
Also, he US isn't a pure democracy. We vote on representative, who then vote for us (and don't have to vote the way they said that they would). There's the whole Electoral College thing, too. The original idea of this was to balance out the same thing you complained about - people tricking the stupid sheeple into voting for whatever.
I really don't know if we need a more direct democracy, which may have tipped the last election like the Democrats say and/or possibly have less just-as-stupid-people in the system, or a more layered system to stop the stupid people from mattering (though my gut tells me this will lead to corruption and not get rid of the stupids).
The difference between a driver's license and a nat'l ID car, to me, is that one will remain optional (yes I know the UK cards are only for passports now, but for how long?). I may have trouble doing some things without a DL, but I can choose to not get one or get an alternative identification if I choose. A credit card is really hard to live without in this day and age, but it is possible, and you get to pick the company and plan you want, and can terminate it at any time. What privelege would one have that would come with the reponsibility of a National ID? Being a citizen? Living?
is that there is a natural bias in people that when they are at fault, it's circumstance, and when someone else is, it's simply their fault. Just look at road rage.
Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, and should have been for several other things, including rejecting the Osama on a a silver platter from the Pakistanis.
Diebold probably srewed up the election, but remember that prisoners and dead people mysteriously wound up voting Democrat.
L.A. is just plain fucked up. As is California.
Cars are a much bigger (pun intended) part of our culture, primarily because our country is bigger, and having a car to freely travel on nice highways through several states without paperwork or checkpoints is a manifestation of freedom and individuality that has become a staple of our national identity and isn't likely to change soon. Also, we have this notion that we must be busy and doing something all the time, so having a car always available is important, and even essential when all members of a family must be in different places at nearly the same time.
Yes, auto deaths are accidental, but 10% of the defense budget put into auto, road, and driver safety would improve things alot. The Vietnam and WW2 deaths are for comparison. The war in Iaq is NOT a Vietnam quagmire.
That post is a new standard for incoherency and bad grammar. Judging by that, you don't sound to well off either.