Didn't think google would be interested in that sort of thing......Cheezy if you ask me
You didn't think that a huge corporation would be interested in making more money? Maybe you should call up Google and let them know that they should start making decisions based on what you think is "cheezy".
I mean, for all the people who rave and rant about how amazing Gmail is, the mailing list that my mom's quilt shop has accumulated is saturated with yahoo, hotmail, and aol addresses, with not a single gmail address to be found out of a few thousand names.
Thats because the GMail interface is too quick for the old quilting ladies. They're freaked out by AJAX and find it to be unnatural. Moreover, its been proven by numerous studies that little old quilting ladies don't like buzzwords.
The above would be valid XHTML, CSS, and Javascript. But that doesn't mean that there is a full separation of content, presentation, and behaviour. The would be accomplished by... roughly...
Content:
Snowed in during The Great Chicago Snowstorm of 1978, Ward Christensen began preliminary work on what would eventually become what he called "the first BBS" to exist.
Well, let me count backwards... 28 years! Well, it seems they have been around for a while. Longer than I've been alive anyhow. As for the the "legal challenges and precedents" I'll let one of our "not-a-lawyers" answer that.
Nah. You're wrong. I'm not sure where you get these ideas, but they aren't based in fact. Lets see...
.Net isn't that hot
Have you -tried- to get a programming job lately without having.Net experience? Okay, maybe thats not completely true, but in my chosen field of programming (web dev) it is becoming increasingly difficult to find a job that doesn't require.Net experience. I'm sure others in the field can vouch for that as well.
Nothing special is going on with Office
How much special stuff do you expect to go on with an office suite? They're obviously making a feeble attempt at it with this ribbonb nonsense and all, and their "open" xml format. But seriously, an office suite is an office suite is an office suite. I'd like to see you innovate on that.
SQL server doesn't seem like anything special compared to oracle or even MySQL
I use MySQL for a lot of projects, however, I'll be the first to point out that it doesn't have -nearly- the features that MS SQL does. MySQL has improved lately, but if you look back at version 4... Compare that to what was available from MS SQL at the time, and you'll see my point.
I have a hard time following this "they should do x before doing y". As a rather large company, Google has enough to people to work on both x and y at the same time. So this sentiment that "if they're doing x, they must not be doing y" is stupid.
And I don't want to hear, "oh but I don't see a solution, so they must not be working on y". Bullshit. The issue of ClickFraud is not an easy one to solve. And if you think you can solve it... Then open your own Ad company and put google's ad division out of business.
Huh... While I'm not a Microsoft fan-boy in any sense of the phrase, I have a hard time seeing how exactly they're failing.
They've sold millions of Xbox 360s. Their operating system dominates the home PCs and a large share of servers. Their office suite is the "standard" (in the real world). Their.NET languages are dominating the programming market (around here anyway... trying to find a programming job without.NET experience is hellish).
If by "failing" you mean that those with a technological background realize that many of their products are half-done turds, then I can agree. But thats hardly a realistic use of the word "failing".
The fact that I was on "independent study" for many classes all the way through high school, because the school was unwilling to hire more AP teachers seems like a pretty good indicator.
The funny thing about the school I went to (Dauphin County Technical School, dcts.org) is that the number of special education teachers is almost equal to the number of normal teachers. But the number of AP teachers has been at 2 for many many years.
The Bible itself says that we're "made in god's image". We're the grandest of his creation but we can't understand anything about the world we live in? I think not.
Personally, I believe very strongly in the existence of a creator. But that doesn't "prove" evolution false. In fact, to the contrary, it makes it more believable to me. Sure, creating everything we know in 7 days (as the "fundamentalists" believe) would be pretty impressive. But, more impressive is creating creatures that can adapt and evolve depending on the circumstances they live in, passing these changes down to make a more hardy species.
Thats odd... I don't know of a company that DOESN'T give employees admin access. Well... I don't know of a company that doesn't give their programmers admin access anyway. And frankly, if I were considering a position at a company that didn't, that would turn me away from them.
Have any of you actually tried -using- Windows in non-admin mode? How about trying to do actual programming work? Its absolute hell. Yeah, I'm sure that I'm going to call up the sys admins every time I need to install a patch to a piece of software.
This bullshit about software being designed poorly because of its being made in admin mode is just absurd. You create test users. Users that don't have admin access on your machine. And you test your software that way. Its not like its some big horrible thing, "Oh my god! They'll never be able to properly test their software because it was designed in admin mode!". Seriously... You're just being stupid and looking for another way to bash Microsoft. I'm all for bashing Microsoft, but lets do it in a way that makes -them- look stupid, as opposed to making -you- look stupid.
Tyler
Actually... Just my opinions. The fact that I'm a web developer has nothing to do with it, really. I do not like all of the whitespace in Michael Johnson's design. Its also just a little too... roundy... for me. Meh. Jason Porritt's is a bit better... Though I don't particularly think the font works well in the design. I also think the font sizing is a bit off on his.
However, I really like Peter Lada's. It's different... sexier... but still familiar. The font works well in the design... and the font sizes are spot on (though I could live with the left menu font being a pixel or two taller). Really... rather good. (Assuming you can make it work in IE. *poke* )
28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!"
Oh yeah... I can totally see how thats so arbitrary. Its something that is in the book that millions upon millions of people claim to respect and follow. But ya know... Totally arbitrary.
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Didn't think google would be interested in that sort of thing......Cheezy if you ask me
You didn't think that a huge corporation would be interested in making more money? Maybe you should call up Google and let them know that they should start making decisions based on what you think is "cheezy".
Hold on... Let me call my client and see if she minds if we alienate 87% of our users. ... ...
Just got fired. Oh well.
Mod the parent up. That last paragraph aptly describes the problem.
Heck yes. I'm trying to convince my fiancee of the same thing.
Content:Behaviour:Presentation:Obviously not a big deal in my horrid example, but when your project starts getting large... It matters.
Well, let me count backwards... 28 years! Well, it seems they have been around for a while. Longer than I've been alive anyhow. As for the the "legal challenges and precedents" I'll let one of our "not-a-lawyers" answer that.
Hi, I'm Tyler. Now you do.
Nah. You're wrong. I'm not sure where you get these ideas, but they aren't based in fact. Lets see...
.Net isn't that hot
.Net experience? Okay, maybe thats not completely true, but in my chosen field of programming (web dev) it is becoming increasingly difficult to find a job that doesn't require .Net experience. I'm sure others in the field can vouch for that as well.
Have you -tried- to get a programming job lately without having
Nothing special is going on with Office
How much special stuff do you expect to go on with an office suite? They're obviously making a feeble attempt at it with this ribbonb nonsense and all, and their "open" xml format. But seriously, an office suite is an office suite is an office suite. I'd like to see you innovate on that.
SQL server doesn't seem like anything special compared to oracle or even MySQL
I use MySQL for a lot of projects, however, I'll be the first to point out that it doesn't have -nearly- the features that MS SQL does. MySQL has improved lately, but if you look back at version 4... Compare that to what was available from MS SQL at the time, and you'll see my point.
Shoot myself in the face sixteen times for the betterment of society as a whole.
Seriously...
Thats all true. However, I'd bet that its an IE-only flaw, due to IE's over-willingness to run Javascript wherever it finds it.
Escaping things for IE sucks. It sucks hard.
Blast it's non-harsh colors and easy-on-the-eyes rounded corners. How could they do such a thing?!
So what?
Go make yourself a tinfoil hat.
I have a hard time following this "they should do x before doing y". As a rather large company, Google has enough to people to work on both x and y at the same time. So this sentiment that "if they're doing x, they must not be doing y" is stupid.
And I don't want to hear, "oh but I don't see a solution, so they must not be working on y". Bullshit. The issue of ClickFraud is not an easy one to solve. And if you think you can solve it... Then open your own Ad company and put google's ad division out of business.
Huh... While I'm not a Microsoft fan-boy in any sense of the phrase, I have a hard time seeing how exactly they're failing.
.NET languages are dominating the programming market (around here anyway... trying to find a programming job without .NET experience is hellish).
They've sold millions of Xbox 360s. Their operating system dominates the home PCs and a large share of servers. Their office suite is the "standard" (in the real world). Their
If by "failing" you mean that those with a technological background realize that many of their products are half-done turds, then I can agree. But thats hardly a realistic use of the word "failing".
Yeah, because only American kids think they can get away with anything and are selfish.
Thats just plain stupid.
The problem is that the "jocks" get to vote too. :P
Catholic priests are well-known for the saying: "Its a divine mystery". (Originally referring to the trinity, but its been applied elsewhere)
I'm having a hard time understanding where you're arguing with me... It seems like we're agreeing.
The fact that I was on "independent study" for many classes all the way through high school, because the school was unwilling to hire more AP teachers seems like a pretty good indicator.
The funny thing about the school I went to (Dauphin County Technical School, dcts.org) is that the number of special education teachers is almost equal to the number of normal teachers. But the number of AP teachers has been at 2 for many many years.
Let me guess... You're Catholic. :P
The Bible itself says that we're "made in god's image". We're the grandest of his creation but we can't understand anything about the world we live in? I think not.
Personally, I believe very strongly in the existence of a creator. But that doesn't "prove" evolution false. In fact, to the contrary, it makes it more believable to me. Sure, creating everything we know in 7 days (as the "fundamentalists" believe) would be pretty impressive. But, more impressive is creating creatures that can adapt and evolve depending on the circumstances they live in, passing these changes down to make a more hardy species.
Thats odd... I don't know of a company that DOESN'T give employees admin access. Well... I don't know of a company that doesn't give their programmers admin access anyway. And frankly, if I were considering a position at a company that didn't, that would turn me away from them. Have any of you actually tried -using- Windows in non-admin mode? How about trying to do actual programming work? Its absolute hell. Yeah, I'm sure that I'm going to call up the sys admins every time I need to install a patch to a piece of software. This bullshit about software being designed poorly because of its being made in admin mode is just absurd. You create test users. Users that don't have admin access on your machine. And you test your software that way. Its not like its some big horrible thing, "Oh my god! They'll never be able to properly test their software because it was designed in admin mode!". Seriously... You're just being stupid and looking for another way to bash Microsoft. I'm all for bashing Microsoft, but lets do it in a way that makes -them- look stupid, as opposed to making -you- look stupid. Tyler
Actually... Just my opinions. The fact that I'm a web developer has nothing to do with it, really. I do not like all of the whitespace in Michael Johnson's design. Its also just a little too... roundy... for me. Meh. Jason Porritt's is a bit better... Though I don't particularly think the font works well in the design. I also think the font sizing is a bit off on his.
However, I really like Peter Lada's. It's different... sexier... but still familiar. The font works well in the design... and the font sizes are spot on (though I could live with the left menu font being a pixel or two taller). Really... rather good. (Assuming you can make it work in IE. *poke* )
We've come so far since the 8087 Math Co-Processor. Who would have ever thought there'd be a PHYSICS Co-Processor, back then?
Well thats true... Except for the fact that we've known these things for years.
Acts 15:28,29
28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!"
Oh yeah... I can totally see how thats so arbitrary. Its something that is in the book that millions upon millions of people claim to respect and follow. But ya know... Totally arbitrary.