You WILL NOT learn hacking, even in the context that they're teaching (subverting the security of computer systems), in a class. You may learn about all kinds of tools; and about steps and techniques to attempt to break into computers, but the real work is not in a classroom. I still believe this after taking SANS Track 4; which was excellent training, but did not drop me back on the street with the ability to be pen tester extraordinaire.
It's like the commercial says: you get good with practice. I think that's part of the reasoning behind SANS's practical papers for their certifications - so you research, and PRACTICE, and learn things by doing.
Now, let me add yet another disclaimer to my posts - practicing does not mean going out and writing malicious code and breaking into sites. Practice means taking your own little air-gapped network and exploring every aspect of the art that you have time and aptitude to learn.
Real hacking, the essence, and I'm not trying to start a definition war here; is trying everything you can and learning everything you can - for good or for evil now; but you get the point.
... that is, stopping you from continuing the show. I have at least a half dozen games I've put down because of the complexity, regardless of the 'feel'. Then I've had some otherwise cheeseball games - like the "Journeyman Project" games, "Project Nomads" (wait there's a common element there - 'project' in the name!) and several different java/flash games that were appealing not so much for the gameplay or innovative concepts (at the time I played them); but for their environments - the background world you were playing in; the scenery and story that evolved and prompts people to write fan fiction and draw their own fan art - like in "Halo" (I beat the PC game on it's default setting, not Legendary yet I don't have time to try!) where people who know and love 'Ringworld' finally *SAW* one and they're building upon the game with halfway decent paperbacks and a supposedly kick-ass sequel.
I just skimmed through the site and looked at a couple of the images; and it brought to mind the imagery I've seen from the graphic presentation piece you can use with their box.
http://www.sourcefire.com
My slight disclaimer - we use several brands of network sensor including SourceFire and have a couple RNA boxes to play with right now.
I'd mod this up if I had points - very good advice SC. I have a wife and THREE kids; and while this considerably cut into my gaming time; I'm allowed the free time - sometimes early in the morning, maybe Saturday night with my friends - in order to play. In return, she gets Bingo and scrapbook nights - maybe less frequently than me but we don't keep score.
I have another pair of friends that are married and they play together - Everquest, Lineage, and go walking and martial arts together. So it can be done regardless of your spouse or SO's view on things.
I've started a weight training plan and not gone on a diet; but shifted my diet to cut out some of the crap I was eating and replace with healthier foods - travel, and 'box' dinners, can do that to you. This seems like a good way to motivate kids who otherwise wouldn't get active with a fun way to exercise; and isn't that what it's all about? I have 3 kids and the things they do to keep active are all fun. The things I'm doing to get in better shape (I wasn't overweight but 30 was starting to really show on me) are fun or I wouldn't be doing them...
This isn't *exactly* the same; because you can't modify Windows code; but don't you buy some support when you buy enterprise MS software? And you can get any of a legion of MCSEs to support it; just the same as you can buy yourself a Linux engineer - not exactly the same but similar sales models.
and everyone seems to have their own way of generating them. I know one person that uses license plate numbers he memorizes while on the highway. I use Cloak on my Palm to keep the 40 or so that I have to use to get my job done - yes, I said 40.
I'm of the firm belief that none of these practices are secure at all. If it's a password; it will be broken eventually. Where I can use passphrases; I do. Even those can be broken given time.
When they come up with reliable, inexpensive biometrics; and combine them with digital certificates or encryption keys (pick your flavor) - I think we'll be far more secure. I know that privacy can be an issue with biometrics but what if you encrypt the biometric data itself and don't make any of it personally identifiable except to its owner?
Wait a minute I thought they were introducing a new primary character in General Grievous?
Wait he's not; just like Darth Maul and the Fetts, I guess; even though they've seemed to me to be more popular than the persistent ones across the series.
I buy a lot more overseas and independent labels now than I ever did; and it's more due to internet radio and maturity than anything else...
OMG OMG OMG they'll be going after streaming radio next... and making me take pills that turn me back into a kid??
You write it and I'll be one of the first to buy three pairs of them. and the underwear and hair barettes and anything else with a signaler/RFID type device that lets me track my younger children. I don't have a problem with this at all for 13-14 and younger kids.
I recall that being a very popular 'paper' game back in the day - and we used to use micro machines to portray our vehicles. A MMO with that background might go over very well.
Could this trend also tie in to the discussions that family and home life have degraded in recent decades? That is, the further from home you are; the less likely you have a stable family? I noticed that when I worked at home; even though I may work pretty much 7a to 7p; I became much closer to my wife and young child because when they were home I was home and I could be ready for them to arrive home themselves and got to spend much more time with them; rather than winding down after I got home.
Now, this was a very small business and unfortunately went under but was a great experience when I did get to telecommute; but most recently I get the feeling that "telecommute", to employers, means "extra work you can do for me at night and on weekends".
I think he was grilled about Linux-based DVD players, not fair use in the context I would expect - copying media I purchased versus rented; violating that FBI warning, etc.
The reason why we see no licensed Linux players is because it will cost to license the player; and the player would then cost to have a copy. That doesn't work in an environment where the OS users expect to not have to pay.
probably offtopic, but I wish I'd known more about Graffiti 1 versus Graffiti 2. I'm not a big fan of Graffiti 2; perhaps because I was so used to the first version and had imprinted upon it so well I still try and use it on my newer device.
That's funny; I get a lot of serious work done on mine - writing procedures and planning assignments for my team; scheduling work and personal meetings, using a variety of work-related tools such as IP calculators to check my work; and I keep some reference materials (like IDS signature definitions and the event codes for Cisco devices like firewalls) - right next to a few e-books so I can get some reading done in bed and/or waiting for my wife if I don't have a paper book handy. I am much more organized and keep all of my family's appointments - especially since I do a lot of the domestic work and take my son to the doctor, etc.
I have a keyboard that snaps into the device and get a lot of 'wow' value out of my little m130 when I'm taking notes in a meeting or writing a quick poem or blurb for myself or a friend.
I think with the right software, a keyboard and learning graffiti, a lot of people could get by without a laptop. How often do you print in a situation like that? I've recommended to one small business that they get PDAs with memory cards and use one computer with multiple accounts for syncing/uploading and printing documents for a very mobile crew they have.
I've made a few friends when I pull out my keyboard and say there was a fire sale at SD-6.
You know that's kind of weird because my first job lasted seven years and after that one (I left for a better opportunity) I just got into the habit of not having things like family pictures or other personal items on my desk. Granted, my most recent position I actually share the station with three other people and we try to be respectful of each other. (It's a 24/7 operation). In recent years it has just seemed unprofessional or not acceptable to personalize your space; because it is work, not home.
Now thankfully I have had a job (the one I was laid off from! wheee!) that I worked from home at; and my home office is very personalized. I also make sure to have a few of my toys that my child doesn't realize are there for him [expendable, so to speak] so he is given the special treat of getting to play with some of my things.
My daily (for my 12 hour shift) ration of food and Cherry Skoal [after several crises where none of us could leave our desk for long I no longer smoke] comes with me in my backpack; and leaves. The one coffee cup of my very personal 20+ cup collection isn't exactly irreplacable but if something should happen [and you know what, despite some post-bubble anxiety and a little worry over my stupidity with my credit when i was younger, I don't think anything will], I could ask someone to get it for me.
You know how they stress 'soft skills' to technical people, especially customer support? Yeah, I do my best.
I have been laid off - February 2002, imagine that - and I'm not telling that whole story because I liked the company and though it was difficult; it was a good experience and I got much from them. Unemployed except for some very brief temp jobs installing printers, I worked a 3-month contract in October that was extended one month but I chose to take a more permanent job, much much closer to home, that December.
I've been promoted twice since then and it's not a startup. Remember what I said about soft skills? Make sure you have the technical skills too and exercise them without arrogance.
Work on that open source project?? What about work on finding a jobso you can actually get paid for something you do... or write something you can actually sell. I know a few programmers that work on a variety of platforms and use partnerships with larger business - not necessarily big businesses like Xerox but their are some - in order to make a living. Consider working with someone who has the soft skills you might not have.
There's a reason collaboration tools and intranet sites abound in the workplace - the information is not personal to a person anymore; but the unit.
I think we can also name several places where carrying your own data with you; with no centralized control; will be a no-no: think places where GMP rules are in place and in organizations where data is considered sensitive or people require a clearance to work there.
when they're busy playing music or trying to 'become Jedi' in SW Galaxies. I'd like to see a chart of the massive drop in other MMORPG subscriptions when that particular game came out.
[I've quit playing DAoC and Earth and Beyond - I was considering going back to EnB once they went to war in the storyline - but I won their screenshot contest BACK IN MAY and despite getting two emails asking for my address and fax number to sign a release; I have not gotten my prize - so I'm not going to waste money on a game with that kind of 'community support'.]
A 'vulnerability' has been found. When they say 'no exploits', that means that no one has written code/an automated tool/etc. for 'exploit code' to be dropped into and launched to actually cause the damage. 'Exploit code', of course, being a hypothetical or actual module that will break the system. [Sometimes people write a few lines of 'example code' that they have not actually used to exploit the vulnerability, thus I use hypothetical.]
I am not an expert, but I've got a little experience with this stuff now.
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You WILL NOT learn hacking, even in the context that they're teaching (subverting the security of computer systems), in a class. You may learn about all kinds of tools; and about steps and techniques to attempt to break into computers, but the real work is not in a classroom. I still believe this after taking SANS Track 4; which was excellent training, but did not drop me back on the street with the ability to be pen tester extraordinaire. It's like the commercial says: you get good with practice. I think that's part of the reasoning behind SANS's practical papers for their certifications - so you research, and PRACTICE, and learn things by doing. Now, let me add yet another disclaimer to my posts - practicing does not mean going out and writing malicious code and breaking into sites. Practice means taking your own little air-gapped network and exploring every aspect of the art that you have time and aptitude to learn. Real hacking, the essence, and I'm not trying to start a definition war here; is trying everything you can and learning everything you can - for good or for evil now; but you get the point.
... that is, stopping you from continuing the show. I have at least a half dozen games I've put down because of the complexity, regardless of the 'feel'. Then I've had some otherwise cheeseball games - like the "Journeyman Project" games, "Project Nomads" (wait there's a common element there - 'project' in the name!) and several different java/flash games that were appealing not so much for the gameplay or innovative concepts (at the time I played them); but for their environments - the background world you were playing in; the scenery and story that evolved and prompts people to write fan fiction and draw their own fan art - like in "Halo" (I beat the PC game on it's default setting, not Legendary yet I don't have time to try!) where people who know and love 'Ringworld' finally *SAW* one and they're building upon the game with halfway decent paperbacks and a supposedly kick-ass sequel.
I just skimmed through the site and looked at a couple of the images; and it brought to mind the imagery I've seen from the graphic presentation piece you can use with their box. http://www.sourcefire.com My slight disclaimer - we use several brands of network sensor including SourceFire and have a couple RNA boxes to play with right now.
I'd mod this up if I had points - very good advice SC. I have a wife and THREE kids; and while this considerably cut into my gaming time; I'm allowed the free time - sometimes early in the morning, maybe Saturday night with my friends - in order to play. In return, she gets Bingo and scrapbook nights - maybe less frequently than me but we don't keep score. I have another pair of friends that are married and they play together - Everquest, Lineage, and go walking and martial arts together. So it can be done regardless of your spouse or SO's view on things.
Before 'office this' and 'office that'; there were typewriters. I think we had far fewer spelling mistakes back then.
I've started a weight training plan and not gone on a diet; but shifted my diet to cut out some of the crap I was eating and replace with healthier foods - travel, and 'box' dinners, can do that to you. This seems like a good way to motivate kids who otherwise wouldn't get active with a fun way to exercise; and isn't that what it's all about? I have 3 kids and the things they do to keep active are all fun. The things I'm doing to get in better shape (I wasn't overweight but 30 was starting to really show on me) are fun or I wouldn't be doing them...
This isn't *exactly* the same; because you can't modify Windows code; but don't you buy some support when you buy enterprise MS software? And you can get any of a legion of MCSEs to support it; just the same as you can buy yourself a Linux engineer - not exactly the same but similar sales models.
and everyone seems to have their own way of generating them. I know one person that uses license plate numbers he memorizes while on the highway. I use Cloak on my Palm to keep the 40 or so that I have to use to get my job done - yes, I said 40. I'm of the firm belief that none of these practices are secure at all. If it's a password; it will be broken eventually. Where I can use passphrases; I do. Even those can be broken given time. When they come up with reliable, inexpensive biometrics; and combine them with digital certificates or encryption keys (pick your flavor) - I think we'll be far more secure. I know that privacy can be an issue with biometrics but what if you encrypt the biometric data itself and don't make any of it personally identifiable except to its owner?
Wait a minute I thought they were introducing a new primary character in General Grievous? Wait he's not; just like Darth Maul and the Fetts, I guess; even though they've seemed to me to be more popular than the persistent ones across the series.
I buy a lot more overseas and independent labels now than I ever did; and it's more due to internet radio and maturity than anything else... OMG OMG OMG they'll be going after streaming radio next... and making me take pills that turn me back into a kid??
You write it and I'll be one of the first to buy three pairs of them. and the underwear and hair barettes and anything else with a signaler/RFID type device that lets me track my younger children. I don't have a problem with this at all for 13-14 and younger kids.
I recall that being a very popular 'paper' game back in the day - and we used to use micro machines to portray our vehicles. A MMO with that background might go over very well.
Could this trend also tie in to the discussions that family and home life have degraded in recent decades? That is, the further from home you are; the less likely you have a stable family? I noticed that when I worked at home; even though I may work pretty much 7a to 7p; I became much closer to my wife and young child because when they were home I was home and I could be ready for them to arrive home themselves and got to spend much more time with them; rather than winding down after I got home. Now, this was a very small business and unfortunately went under but was a great experience when I did get to telecommute; but most recently I get the feeling that "telecommute", to employers, means "extra work you can do for me at night and on weekends".
I think he was grilled about Linux-based DVD players, not fair use in the context I would expect - copying media I purchased versus rented; violating that FBI warning, etc. The reason why we see no licensed Linux players is because it will cost to license the player; and the player would then cost to have a copy. That doesn't work in an environment where the OS users expect to not have to pay.
yeah and I liked the shift character for some reason it's like typing or something :) thanks for the breakdown, however.
probably offtopic, but I wish I'd known more about Graffiti 1 versus Graffiti 2. I'm not a big fan of Graffiti 2; perhaps because I was so used to the first version and had imprinted upon it so well I still try and use it on my newer device.
That's funny; I get a lot of serious work done on mine - writing procedures and planning assignments for my team; scheduling work and personal meetings, using a variety of work-related tools such as IP calculators to check my work; and I keep some reference materials (like IDS signature definitions and the event codes for Cisco devices like firewalls) - right next to a few e-books so I can get some reading done in bed and/or waiting for my wife if I don't have a paper book handy. I am much more organized and keep all of my family's appointments - especially since I do a lot of the domestic work and take my son to the doctor, etc. I have a keyboard that snaps into the device and get a lot of 'wow' value out of my little m130 when I'm taking notes in a meeting or writing a quick poem or blurb for myself or a friend. I think with the right software, a keyboard and learning graffiti, a lot of people could get by without a laptop. How often do you print in a situation like that? I've recommended to one small business that they get PDAs with memory cards and use one computer with multiple accounts for syncing/uploading and printing documents for a very mobile crew they have. I've made a few friends when I pull out my keyboard and say there was a fire sale at SD-6.
You know that's kind of weird because my first job lasted seven years and after that one (I left for a better opportunity) I just got into the habit of not having things like family pictures or other personal items on my desk. Granted, my most recent position I actually share the station with three other people and we try to be respectful of each other. (It's a 24/7 operation). In recent years it has just seemed unprofessional or not acceptable to personalize your space; because it is work, not home. Now thankfully I have had a job (the one I was laid off from! wheee!) that I worked from home at; and my home office is very personalized. I also make sure to have a few of my toys that my child doesn't realize are there for him [expendable, so to speak] so he is given the special treat of getting to play with some of my things. My daily (for my 12 hour shift) ration of food and Cherry Skoal [after several crises where none of us could leave our desk for long I no longer smoke] comes with me in my backpack; and leaves. The one coffee cup of my very personal 20+ cup collection isn't exactly irreplacable but if something should happen [and you know what, despite some post-bubble anxiety and a little worry over my stupidity with my credit when i was younger, I don't think anything will], I could ask someone to get it for me.
You know how they stress 'soft skills' to technical people, especially customer support? Yeah, I do my best. I have been laid off - February 2002, imagine that - and I'm not telling that whole story because I liked the company and though it was difficult; it was a good experience and I got much from them. Unemployed except for some very brief temp jobs installing printers, I worked a 3-month contract in October that was extended one month but I chose to take a more permanent job, much much closer to home, that December. I've been promoted twice since then and it's not a startup. Remember what I said about soft skills? Make sure you have the technical skills too and exercise them without arrogance.
Moonlight - work in a computer shop somewhere in town... if you work for the City you should know enough about the community to get some side work.
Work on that open source project?? What about work on finding a jobso you can actually get paid for something you do... or write something you can actually sell. I know a few programmers that work on a variety of platforms and use partnerships with larger business - not necessarily big businesses like Xerox but their are some - in order to make a living. Consider working with someone who has the soft skills you might not have.
There's a reason collaboration tools and intranet sites abound in the workplace - the information is not personal to a person anymore; but the unit. I think we can also name several places where carrying your own data with you; with no centralized control; will be a no-no: think places where GMP rules are in place and in organizations where data is considered sensitive or people require a clearance to work there.
when they're busy playing music or trying to 'become Jedi' in SW Galaxies. I'd like to see a chart of the massive drop in other MMORPG subscriptions when that particular game came out. [I've quit playing DAoC and Earth and Beyond - I was considering going back to EnB once they went to war in the storyline - but I won their screenshot contest BACK IN MAY and despite getting two emails asking for my address and fax number to sign a release; I have not gotten my prize - so I'm not going to waste money on a game with that kind of 'community support'.]
those two million jobs are grossly underpaid Indians and Russians, from the sound of it.
A 'vulnerability' has been found. When they say 'no exploits', that means that no one has written code/an automated tool/etc. for 'exploit code' to be dropped into and launched to actually cause the damage. 'Exploit code', of course, being a hypothetical or actual module that will break the system. [Sometimes people write a few lines of 'example code' that they have not actually used to exploit the vulnerability, thus I use hypothetical.] I am not an expert, but I've got a little experience with this stuff now.