There are other ways to use force feedback in the console. Sony could have licenced from the company that sued them, or created their own. Instead, it was dropped.
If that were the truth, the industry wouldn't have backlashed like it did.
The truth is that, when Sony saw what Nintendo was doing, the completely redesigned their controller, and DROPPED a feature, to put in accelerometers. Further, the company that you had demo the "new" technology for you didn't find out about the motion sensing features until a week before the biggest event in videogame history.
There is simply no way that Sony has been working on this for any extended period of time. Having to drop a feature to work it in, and then the technology not even work correctly (given the awful Warhawk demo) is a huge sign over Sony's head saying "WE ARE LYING."
What if both the PS3 and 360 markets take this whole "Wii is a secondary console" thing to heart? Lets say that 25% of all 360 owners, and 25% of all PS3 owners decide to opt for the Wii as well as their console of choice?
Thats a pretty decent strategy. I dont know which console people own, but from my own experience it has been just one. Usually someone owns only an Xbox, PS2, or Gamecube, or if they own two it is the Xbox and the PS2.
Now if Nintendo has all of its fanboys buy the Wii, AND manage to get many more 360/PS3 adopters to buy it as well...
I dont have any links myself, but I myself have seen one or two "post E3 reports" that revealed that Japanese gamers arnt all that concerned over the price of the PS3, or atleast unconcerned because the PS3 will be the system that their games will be on.
I really should get some links, but its nice to see such positive reflection on the Wii in Famitsu.
Thief itself isnt a bad game, but the way my friends hyped it really ruined it for me when I actually got a copy.
I was pretty much told that the game took a back seat to typical FPS gameplay, and that I had to kill in stealth and hide in the shadows. Totally killer, and whatever game inthe series that I played... the first level was IT. Killed guards, hid the bodies, and delved deeper into the castle.
Then I jumped in a sewer and started taking out zombies.
Ive never played a single System Shock game. Isnt the same studio behind those behind the Thief series as well? I didnt care for Thief either.
Thing is, also being a huge Nintendo fanboy, Im somewhat biased against other consoles by nature. While I do plan on getting a 360 for Oblivion, until I saw Bioshock, Oblivion was the only game that I simply had to play for the system.
Bioshock just looks ravishing and deep, and a hugely fresh and original take on a genre that, for better or worse, started to take the familiar path down the road.
That the Saturn wasnt a total failure? It had some great games, and some small market penetration, and it definitely went well with the arcade fanbase.
... situation is that Sony is in nearly the EXACT same position Nintendo was in when they "fell from grace".
Nintendo simply didn't have enough games to push the N64, where as the competition (mainly Sony) did. Now Sony is on the losing stick of console exclusives and with the loss of GTA4 exclusivity, I can only see more titles making the leap as developers realize the 360 cant be taken for granted.
Nintendo used a format that was not in the best interest of the market (cartridges). Blu Ray simply isnt going to be what its made out to be, and with the cheaper PS3 not able to utilize high definition content like the more expensive model, then whats the point in having Blu Ray? Its simply forcing us to pay for something that many wont get to use, or use properly.
Nintendo felt that their name alone would sell games. Sony fits this perfectly.
I wont go as far as to say "SONY IS TEH DOOMED", but it doesnt look good for them in the slightest.
It's great to hear Nintendo acknowledge the fact that they need third party support.
One of the more dastardly aspects of it is that given the markets current moving towards non exclusive content and the fact that AAA titles on the Revolution will practically demand use of the Revmote, this means there is a chance for even more Revolution exclusive, console selling, titles.
Big if, but this could bring N back into the market.
While Takahashi is free to have any opinion he wants, its slightly suspicious that a man who has been quoted as saying that, the drive behind the Katamari games was to "create a quirky and fun game", eschews Nintendo for trying the same thing.
Slashdot posters do not represent "gamers". Analysts do not represent "the industry".
Which is why I said "gamers" and "industry".
Past these complications? This does not accurately describe the XBox 360's current market position at all. The XBox 360 has been out for five or six months and the launch complications are still in full swing. Shortages are still common; games are still not forthcoming, except for some PC simulreleases...
This is how launches usually go. This is how the PS2 launch went. Momentum has to build. My point is that Xbox is already out, already has a following, is cheaper, and is getting the games now.
Making assumptions about other people is never an adequate substitute for actually having something to say.
Exactly my point. Just because the fella doesn't like Sony does not mean he has an agenda against them, regardless of what you think.
"Everybody does it" is generally a poor justification for ugly behavior.
I'm glad you understand that, use this knowledge next time.
The PS2's price tag was pretty fair when it debuted. The original Playstation debuted at 299$, 100$ less than the Sega Saturn. The CDi, 3DO, and SNK machines cost much more than the 200 - 300 dollar range.
This isn't the same case now. Microsoft set the price point with their 399$ system. A 200 dollar price jump could mean bad things for the PS3.
Because, of course, Microsoft are such anti-DRM pro-consumer crusaders and all.
In relation to Sony? Yes.
I'm also not sure why you think Sony's "lateness to the game" is a problem, in the same post you state your preference for the Nintendo Revolution? The Revolution will probably be coming out at about the same time as the PS3, probably novemberish of this year. That's not a bad thing-- I think november of this year will be a time many people will feel ready to buy a new game console. It just seems to me that either coming out "late to the game" in November 2006 is going to be a problem for both Sony and Nintendo, or it will be a problem for neither of them.
You should keep in mind that a large number of gamers, and a majority of the industry, do not expect Sony to launch the PS3 in November.
You should also keep in mind that a prompt launch on Sony's part is integral when considering competition with Microsoft. It's not a matter for Nintendo because they simply don't care, but for Sony who is attempting to be THE number 1 company next generation, timeliness is an incredibly important factor.
absolve the other consolemakers of
No one is discrediting Sony, it's just a matter of importance. The situation is the same for all three companies. Microsoft's voice is already out and past these complications, Nintendo doesn't care, and Sony depends on it. Sony is the most at risk.
What about the four or five franchises that are already exclusive to the Playstation console, a couple of which have already seen early versions demoed running on PS3 hardware, and more of which we are likely to see at E3?
What exclusives are you talking about? Killzone and Warhawk? Nice games, but Killzone didn't live up to the hype the first time around, and neither have as sufficient market penetration that Halo has. Are you also including Metal Gear Solid 4? That series is multi console and has been for the past five years.
I hope in future you can try to be more objective on these subjects, because your vendetta against Sony is seriously distracting from the meat of your posts and may turn people away from what good points you do make.
He is being objective. Objectiveness and fairness are not measured equally. Just because someone doesn't like Sony doesn't mean they have an agenda. I imagine the same complaints you have about the posters bias can be applied to your own as well. I couldn't think of you replying like this if Sony was not being attacked, or if the tables were turned any other way.
Play Perfect Dark 0. Physics are still far from being perfect.
I do think its a bit silly to be planning so far ahead into the future. Who can say what this generation is and is not capable of? Sony themselves threatened that the PS3 will be around for atleast the next ten years, completely skipping another launch in five years.
What about the 360? Gears of War looks beautiful, so what next? Completely destructable, more free form levels, thats what!
If playing a game is what someone wants, then Final Fantasy, and RPGs in general, are the wrong place to go especially since that cinematic crapfest FFX.
Microsoft did it simply to get a foothold in this gens "war". Sony is going to attempt it because they screwed up their Japanese launch. Note I said attempt. The fact that they are still showing fish and duck demos and there is sitll no finalized hardware or controller.
Nintendo, on the other hand, dont need to do it. They arnt worried about hype, they arnt worried about media recognition, and they arnt worried about the MTV generation. Ill be upset if I dont see the system this year, but thats just how things go.
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There are other ways to use force feedback in the console. Sony could have licenced from the company that sued them, or created their own. Instead, it was dropped.
If that were the truth, the industry wouldn't have backlashed like it did.
The truth is that, when Sony saw what Nintendo was doing, the completely redesigned their controller, and DROPPED a feature, to put in accelerometers. Further, the company that you had demo the "new" technology for you didn't find out about the motion sensing features until a week before the biggest event in videogame history.
There is simply no way that Sony has been working on this for any extended period of time. Having to drop a feature to work it in, and then the technology not even work correctly (given the awful Warhawk demo) is a huge sign over Sony's head saying "WE ARE LYING."
What if both the PS3 and 360 markets take this whole "Wii is a secondary console" thing to heart? Lets say that 25% of all 360 owners, and 25% of all PS3 owners decide to opt for the Wii as well as their console of choice?
Thats a pretty decent strategy. I dont know which console people own, but from my own experience it has been just one. Usually someone owns only an Xbox, PS2, or Gamecube, or if they own two it is the Xbox and the PS2.
Now if Nintendo has all of its fanboys buy the Wii, AND manage to get many more 360/PS3 adopters to buy it as well...
Looks pretty good to me.
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I dont have any links myself, but I myself have seen one or two "post E3 reports" that revealed that Japanese gamers arnt all that concerned over the price of the PS3, or atleast unconcerned because the PS3 will be the system that their games will be on.
I really should get some links, but its nice to see such positive reflection on the Wii in Famitsu.
Thief itself isnt a bad game, but the way my friends hyped it really ruined it for me when I actually got a copy.
I was pretty much told that the game took a back seat to typical FPS gameplay, and that I had to kill in stealth and hide in the shadows. Totally killer, and whatever game inthe series that I played... the first level was IT. Killed guards, hid the bodies, and delved deeper into the castle.
Then I jumped in a sewer and started taking out zombies.
Wonk wonk woooooonk.
Ive never played a single System Shock game. Isnt the same studio behind those behind the Thief series as well? I didnt care for Thief either.
Thing is, also being a huge Nintendo fanboy, Im somewhat biased against other consoles by nature. While I do plan on getting a 360 for Oblivion, until I saw Bioshock, Oblivion was the only game that I simply had to play for the system.
Bioshock just looks ravishing and deep, and a hugely fresh and original take on a genre that, for better or worse, started to take the familiar path down the road.
Accusation: Nintendo is still running games off of modified Gamecube hardware.
:-)
Fact: While this was true for most of last year, and some of this year, E3 2006 saw Wii technology housed in black Gamecube casing.
Dunno how they would be screwing themselves with the Revolution. It uses standard sized DVD esque discs instead of the 3cm size they used last gen.
Anyone remember Dragon Quest VII jumping ship from the N64 to the PSX? I do.
That the Saturn wasnt a total failure? It had some great games, and some small market penetration, and it definitely went well with the arcade fanbase.
... situation is that Sony is in nearly the EXACT same position Nintendo was in when they "fell from grace".
Nintendo simply didn't have enough games to push the N64, where as the competition (mainly Sony) did. Now Sony is on the losing stick of console exclusives and with the loss of GTA4 exclusivity, I can only see more titles making the leap as developers realize the 360 cant be taken for granted.
Nintendo used a format that was not in the best interest of the market (cartridges). Blu Ray simply isnt going to be what its made out to be, and with the cheaper PS3 not able to utilize high definition content like the more expensive model, then whats the point in having Blu Ray? Its simply forcing us to pay for something that many wont get to use, or use properly.
Nintendo felt that their name alone would sell games. Sony fits this perfectly.
I wont go as far as to say "SONY IS TEH DOOMED", but it doesnt look good for them in the slightest.
Sony IS losing money. Just do a Google for "Sony Profit" and look at the troubled times they have had these past few years.
Mainly in that there were no confirmed dates or prices, but I can wait for that.
Pilotwings, Excite Truck, Zelda, Disaster. They look pretty good. Red Steel was very nice, and I saw some 360 quality graphics.
Of course some people are going to be angry. When you present skewed information and lies as fact you are going to upset someone.
Excellent! Excellent!
It's great to hear Nintendo acknowledge the fact that they need third party support.
One of the more dastardly aspects of it is that given the markets current moving towards non exclusive content and the fact that AAA titles on the Revolution will practically demand use of the Revmote, this means there is a chance for even more Revolution exclusive, console selling, titles.
Big if, but this could bring N back into the market.
Something to think about.
Other than the fact that I think its interesting? Nothing, really, except for whats been released.
No, I dont see the difference. Using the revmote isnt even a requirement for the Revolution.
While Takahashi is free to have any opinion he wants, its slightly suspicious that a man who has been quoted as saying that, the drive behind the Katamari games was to "create a quirky and fun game", eschews Nintendo for trying the same thing.
I dun get it.
Slashdot posters do not represent "gamers". Analysts do not represent "the industry".
Which is why I said "gamers" and "industry".
Past these complications? This does not accurately describe the XBox 360's current market position at all. The XBox 360 has been out for five or six months and the launch complications are still in full swing. Shortages are still common; games are still not forthcoming, except for some PC simulreleases...
This is how launches usually go. This is how the PS2 launch went. Momentum has to build. My point is that Xbox is already out, already has a following, is cheaper, and is getting the games now.
Making assumptions about other people is never an adequate substitute for actually having something to say.
Exactly my point. Just because the fella doesn't like Sony does not mean he has an agenda against them, regardless of what you think.
"Everybody does it" is generally a poor justification for ugly behavior. I'm glad you understand that, use this knowledge next time.
The PS2's price tag was pretty fair when it debuted. The original Playstation debuted at 299$, 100$ less than the Sega Saturn. The CDi, 3DO, and SNK machines cost much more than the 200 - 300 dollar range.
This isn't the same case now. Microsoft set the price point with their 399$ system. A 200 dollar price jump could mean bad things for the PS3.
Because, of course, Microsoft are such anti-DRM pro-consumer crusaders and all.
In relation to Sony? Yes.
I'm also not sure why you think Sony's "lateness to the game" is a problem, in the same post you state your preference for the Nintendo Revolution? The Revolution will probably be coming out at about the same time as the PS3, probably novemberish of this year. That's not a bad thing-- I think november of this year will be a time many people will feel ready to buy a new game console. It just seems to me that either coming out "late to the game" in November 2006 is going to be a problem for both Sony and Nintendo, or it will be a problem for neither of them.
You should keep in mind that a large number of gamers, and a majority of the industry, do not expect Sony to launch the PS3 in November.
You should also keep in mind that a prompt launch on Sony's part is integral when considering competition with Microsoft. It's not a matter for Nintendo because they simply don't care, but for Sony who is attempting to be THE number 1 company next generation, timeliness is an incredibly important factor.
absolve the other consolemakers of
No one is discrediting Sony, it's just a matter of importance. The situation is the same for all three companies. Microsoft's voice is already out and past these complications, Nintendo doesn't care, and Sony depends on it. Sony is the most at risk.
What about the four or five franchises that are already exclusive to the Playstation console, a couple of which have already seen early versions demoed running on PS3 hardware, and more of which we are likely to see at E3?
What exclusives are you talking about? Killzone and Warhawk? Nice games, but Killzone didn't live up to the hype the first time around, and neither have as sufficient market penetration that Halo has. Are you also including Metal Gear Solid 4? That series is multi console and has been for the past five years.
I hope in future you can try to be more objective on these subjects, because your vendetta against Sony is seriously distracting from the meat of your posts and may turn people away from what good points you do make.
He is being objective. Objectiveness and fairness are not measured equally. Just because someone doesn't like Sony doesn't mean they have an agenda. I imagine the same complaints you have about the posters bias can be applied to your own as well. I couldn't think of you replying like this if Sony was not being attacked, or if the tables were turned any other way.
Killer app?
At the moment they arn't.
Play Perfect Dark 0. Physics are still far from being perfect. I do think its a bit silly to be planning so far ahead into the future. Who can say what this generation is and is not capable of? Sony themselves threatened that the PS3 will be around for atleast the next ten years, completely skipping another launch in five years. What about the 360? Gears of War looks beautiful, so what next? Completely destructable, more free form levels, thats what!
If playing a game is what someone wants, then Final Fantasy, and RPGs in general, are the wrong place to go especially since that cinematic crapfest FFX.
Microsoft did it simply to get a foothold in this gens "war". Sony is going to attempt it because they screwed up their Japanese launch. Note I said attempt. The fact that they are still showing fish and duck demos and there is sitll no finalized hardware or controller. Nintendo, on the other hand, dont need to do it. They arnt worried about hype, they arnt worried about media recognition, and they arnt worried about the MTV generation. Ill be upset if I dont see the system this year, but thats just how things go.