I dont use graphics professionally, I used the word "productivity" in order to have my point understood by people who are not like me, but my point seems to have slipped by/because/ of the word. I do not enjoy using OSS GUIs because they tend to be annoying, tedius, peices of shit. Non-Free software likes to be able to sell, so they try to make their programs non-tedius, and try to make it easy for a user to access the feature that they want. The feature/I/ want is to not have to search through menus to get at a frequently used tool, to not have to go searching for misplaced windows since the programmer has decided that lots of windows you would never want to use by themselves should not be placed in some kind of other window or somehow be grouped by the/program/ [not window manager] so they are all raised when you raise one, not that it matters, since the option you need to get at isnt actually on any of those windows, but can only be accessed by a right-click context menu of all things [WTF?!] on a certain area of a certain window. So "Productivity" is a stupid argument, yes, but maybe the argument "This is a peice of shit" isnt. The "the GUI Sucks" argument can't possibly be a bad one, because I'm talking about Desktop use, not Server use. When you're talking about desktop use, the GUI-suckage issue has to come into play.
Yes, many people swear by it, but I am definatly not one of them. I have Photoshop, which I dislike, but The Gimp is an exercise in awesome horrible. "The Gimp Sucks" is not the only thing which keeps me on windows, rather it is an example which shows the User Interface problems with many linux programs: They are great programs which have the ability to do powerful things, but for the most part they have a horrible user interface which slows down productivity considerably. The interfaces I have seen (I have said this before) remind me a lot of when I used to draw pictures in, well probably before pre-school age.. I gave everyone arms and legs and a head and a belly button, but I could never remember if a mustache went above or below the nose. Linux UIs remind me a lot of the resulting pictures. Doing their best to/immitate/ what a good user interface should be, but unsure if the mustache goes above or below the nose. The Gimp is an example of the result, eeyes, x-chat, they're things which do well, but make it hard to do it, or certain things hard to do. So what keeps me in windows is the user-interface. Some things which I consider to be important just dont seem to be priorities in OSS projects. I tend to stay in debian, but when I want to edit an image or something, I always go back to windows.
The point of UIForge as opposed to regular forums would be organization. "Sorting through thousands of suggestions" would be replaced with a few dozen or hundred suggestions grouped together by what they say. If you can get perl to do your sorting for you, it's not nearly as bad.
What we really need is a large forum for communicating User Interface ideas to programmers. The problem with OSS is that it tends to expect/everybody/ to be able to pick up the code and remove the horrible from apps. This just isnt the case. It's true, we can't afford consultants and experts to tell us what 70% of potential customers would like to see, but we do have this whole internet out there, and something should be done to harvest the feedback. Not saying that no options are out there right now, only that the current options arent working, and there needs to be better ways for/normal/ users, not programmers, not even just people who prefer OSS, just users of programs to, basically, complain. Until the OSS Community has a real and good forum for complaining, we arent going to see programmers taking notice and fixing things like UI problems.
That seems to be what's going on here, but here people file patents, then travel into the future where thousands of people have discovered the technology on their own and have been using it for years without knowing about a patent, then sue those guys.
So finally we know what MS had in mind when they allowed any application to take control of any window and do anything they want to it. Well thanks MS after all! A local root exploit is just a minor feature if we get to do this with it too!
Can I do this Pay-Per-View style? I'd love to buy per-channel, but can I, in the middle of the month, see something I want to watch//maybe forgot about, and buy that channel for the rest of the month? What about only buying a peice of a channel? I only watch Comedy Central for The Daily Show. If people could buy "season tickets" from their cable provider, instead of from a TiVo, how would that effect the way TV is made?
The SD slot on my Zaurus is about that size, and I've been refusing to pay 200$ for 256mb of memory, when I can see that technology be put to use to give me a 200$ 20GB drive for my Zaurus? What's that? Never? Fuck you.
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Every time anybody says "Micro$oft" or the like, god shoots a baby in the head.
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"I think this speaks also to the fact that WE should not be anti-Microsoft, but be pro-OSS."
That does well for people who are actually Pro-OSS, but what about people who are just Anti-Microsoft and Nuetral on OSS? Counter-statement: "Most people on/. are Pro-OSS, though" Counter-Counter-statement: Well then they're already pro-OSS, no need for your post.
Okay, is this little bit of information non-obvious to anyone? Seriously, I take it for granted that people just know things like "Firing stray electrons at your face for hours at a time every day for years is not the most healthy thing you can do to yourself" But then people go and do studies- perfectly reasonable, you need to do such things in order to understand the exact effects. But then people go and act/surprised/ when the obvious answers come out. Get over it, people. Anyone with any sense already knew that CRTs werent quite as good for you as a delicious chocolate protein shake, and we've already started switching in large-part to LCDs and soon other technologies as well (OLEDs, Digital Ink, some other one that was mentioned last week too..) So it's been known, It doesnt really matter, and Most people are already going for alternatives for other reasons.
I dont see it that way. Rather, I see it a short step from them tracking people who check out books on civil disobedience to such records being deemed worthy to be presented as evidence in court. You have a right to read it, sure, but can you feel safe afterwards? How long until someone, lacking better evidence, stumbles accross your name in both a witness list and a 20 year old record of a book you checked out?
I wrote a really long and, I thought, really good post in responce to this, but Opera just crashed. I guess 6.1 doesnt fix everything, eh? Just trust me, it was good. I'm going to go shoot myself in the head now. Fucking Segfaults..
The trailer that's/been out/ for a month? There's no reason to mention the release of a new movie trailer. I mean, a star wars or matrix trailer is one thing, but a movie about talking fish just because it's animated using a computer, much like many movies today are? Hey, there's a trailer out for "3, 2, 1 Penguins!" too.
When it doesnt play, that's a hint it's a higher version than what you have;) I dont think that a specific version is given in the file information, Xine output says that a file is using DivX 5.0 and then err, fails to load:) I guess it doesnt get more specific than that.
But then if people dont follow whatever standards you're talking about, it doesnt matter. Anyone else unnable to play many recent movies encoded in 5.02 because the latest linux release is still 5.01?
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I dont use graphics professionally, I used the word "productivity" in order to have my point understood by people who are not like me, but my point seems to have slipped by /because/ of the word. /I/ want is to not have to search through menus to get at a frequently used tool, to not have to go searching for misplaced windows since the programmer has decided that lots of windows you would never want to use by themselves should not be placed in some kind of other window or somehow be grouped by the /program/ [not window manager] so they are all raised when you raise one, not that it matters, since the option you need to get at isnt actually on any of those windows, but can only be accessed by a right-click context menu of all things [WTF?!] on a certain area of a certain window.
I do not enjoy using OSS GUIs because they tend to be annoying, tedius, peices of shit. Non-Free software likes to be able to sell, so they try to make their programs non-tedius, and try to make it easy for a user to access the feature that they want. The feature
So "Productivity" is a stupid argument, yes, but maybe the argument "This is a peice of shit" isnt. The "the GUI Sucks" argument can't possibly be a bad one, because I'm talking about Desktop use, not Server use. When you're talking about desktop use, the GUI-suckage issue has to come into play.
Yes, many people swear by it, but I am definatly not one of them. I have Photoshop, which I dislike, but The Gimp is an exercise in awesome horrible. "The Gimp Sucks" is not the only thing which keeps me on windows, rather it is an example which shows the User Interface problems with many linux programs: They are great programs which have the ability to do powerful things, but for the most part they have a horrible user interface which slows down productivity considerably. The interfaces I have seen (I have said this before) remind me a lot of when I used to draw pictures in, well probably before pre-school age.. I gave everyone arms and legs and a head and a belly button, but I could never remember if a mustache went above or below the nose. Linux UIs remind me a lot of the resulting pictures. Doing their best to /immitate/ what a good user interface should be, but unsure if the mustache goes above or below the nose. The Gimp is an example of the result, eeyes, x-chat, they're things which do well, but make it hard to do it, or certain things hard to do. So what keeps me in windows is the user-interface. Some things which I consider to be important just dont seem to be priorities in OSS projects.
I tend to stay in debian, but when I want to edit an image or something, I always go back to windows.
I knew I was in trouble when the new Zaurus SL-5600 specs came out and were higher than my webserver..
God doesnt want us to develope technology so we can't find him on his secret moon-base. Dont you know anything?
Anybody? Please? :)
The point of UIForge as opposed to regular forums would be organization. "Sorting through thousands of suggestions" would be replaced with a few dozen or hundred suggestions grouped together by what they say.
If you can get perl to do your sorting for you, it's not nearly as bad.
What we really need is a large forum for communicating User Interface ideas to programmers. The problem with OSS is that it tends to expect /everybody/ to be able to pick up the code and remove the horrible from apps. This just isnt the case. /normal/ users, not programmers, not even just people who prefer OSS, just users of programs to, basically, complain. Until the OSS Community has a real and good forum for complaining, we arent going to see programmers taking notice and fixing things like UI problems.
It's true, we can't afford consultants and experts to tell us what 70% of potential customers would like to see, but we do have this whole internet out there, and something should be done to harvest the feedback.
Not saying that no options are out there right now, only that the current options arent working, and there needs to be better ways for
Okay, the actual text of that message was in the topic, and slashdot has decided to ignore my topic... so just ignore the above
Post ignored.
Fucking moron.
That seems to be what's going on here, but here people file patents, then travel into the future where thousands of people have discovered the technology on their own and have been using it for years without knowing about a patent, then sue those guys.
So finally we know what MS had in mind when they allowed any application to take control of any window and do anything they want to it. Well thanks MS after all! A local root exploit is just a minor feature if we get to do this with it too!
Can I do this Pay-Per-View style? I'd love to buy per-channel, but can I, in the middle of the month, see something I want to watch//maybe forgot about, and buy that channel for the rest of the month? What about only buying a peice of a channel? I only watch Comedy Central for The Daily Show. If people could buy "season tickets" from their cable provider, instead of from a TiVo, how would that effect the way TV is made?
The SD slot on my Zaurus is about that size, and I've been refusing to pay 200$ for 256mb of memory, when I can see that technology be put to use to give me a 200$ 20GB drive for my Zaurus? What's that? Never? Fuck you.
Every time anybody says "Micro$oft" or the like, god shoots a baby in the head.
"I think this speaks also to the fact that WE should not be anti-Microsoft, but be pro-OSS."
/. are Pro-OSS, though"
That does well for people who are actually Pro-OSS, but what about people who are just Anti-Microsoft and Nuetral on OSS?
Counter-statement: "Most people on
Counter-Counter-statement: Well then they're already pro-OSS, no need for your post.
Okay, is this little bit of information non-obvious to anyone? Seriously, I take it for granted that people just know things like "Firing stray electrons at your face for hours at a time every day for years is not the most healthy thing you can do to yourself" /surprised/ when the obvious answers come out. Get over it, people. Anyone with any sense already knew that CRTs werent quite as good for you as a delicious chocolate protein shake, and we've already started switching in large-part to LCDs and soon other technologies as well (OLEDs, Digital Ink, some other one that was mentioned last week too..)
But then people go and do studies- perfectly reasonable, you need to do such things in order to understand the exact effects. But then people go and act
So it's been known, It doesnt really matter, and Most people are already going for alternatives for other reasons.
I dont see it that way. Rather, I see it a short step from them tracking people who check out books on civil disobedience to such records being deemed worthy to be presented as evidence in court. You have a right to read it, sure, but can you feel safe afterwards? How long until someone, lacking better evidence, stumbles accross your name in both a witness list and a 20 year old record of a book you checked out?
Didnt do too good a job of that, did he? :)
I wrote a really long and, I thought, really good post in responce to this, but Opera just crashed. I guess 6.1 doesnt fix everything, eh?
Just trust me, it was good. I'm going to go shoot myself in the head now. Fucking Segfaults..
People keep stealing ideas from stories I write, should I sue?
Problem with that is it would be a fucking stupid idea.
Mmmm.. Anal Beastiality Celebrity Grit porn..
Posting something like that as anonymous coward just shows that you're a fucking idiot.
Posting something like ^that probably says a few things too.
The trailer that's /been out/ for a month? There's no reason to mention the release of a new movie trailer. I mean, a star wars or matrix trailer is one thing, but a movie about talking fish just because it's animated using a computer, much like many movies today are? Hey, there's a trailer out for "3, 2, 1 Penguins!" too.
When it doesnt play, that's a hint it's a higher version than what you have ;) :) I guess it doesnt get more specific than that.
I dont think that a specific version is given in the file information, Xine output says that a file is using DivX 5.0 and then err, fails to load
But then if people dont follow whatever standards you're talking about, it doesnt matter. Anyone else unnable to play many recent movies encoded in 5.02 because the latest linux release is still 5.01?