There were a bunch of people on Mars waiting for an elevator - apparently a very long wait. So this noob from Earth shows up - and he cuts in line! No tolerance for anti-social behavior on Mars, so immediatly someone complains, a jury is quickly convened, witnesses attest to having seen the guy break in line, and he is found guilty and summarily executed.
I think that was a twilight zone episode. Didn't they check the guy's pockets afterward, and it turned out he was the elevator repair man 'cutting' to the front of the line with an 'out of order' sign?
It's about the money, but it's also about practicality. The sea salt protests clogged the jails and courts with petty criminals that would get out of court and commit the same crime just to get arrested again.
Certainly the war on drugs has its profiteers and mercenaries, but jails take years to build. It's easy to make money on a sustained growth in the prisoner population; it's hard to make money on a sudden growth in what is essentially petty crime.
There is also the ability to force an unjust government to face uncomfortable political realities. Who wants to first on the boat back to mother England with the news the practitioners of violent uncivil disobedience aren't being prosecuted because judges have 100s of cases of 'possession of salt with intent to season'?
Likewise, how many politicians will run on the 'I let a serial rapist go free to make room for johnny pot-smoker' platform? Not many. You can clog up the courts with petty criminals and force politicians to choose between pot smokers and violent criminals. Witness the current debate in Chicago. I don't see legalization around the corner, but I do see more localities coming to the realization pot smokers are not public enemy # 1 and just cost too damn much to prosecute.
To many, the benefit of the war on drugs is money. But for those who have allowed this war to escalate, and have the power to stop it, the benefit is political clout. Force the hand of the police with what is essentially a DoS attack on the court system, and the politicians will have some 'splaining to do.
To get back on topic, as a presidential candidate, what is David Cobb's position on religous fundamentalism and its affect on the laws and culture of the USA?
My leaders? What are you talking about?
Who was this, and where? I don't believe
that any "leader" in the world of Christianity
has said anything of the sort to you.
Jimmy Swaggart may not be someone you personally follow, but he is certainly someone who has many followers.
"I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry," Swaggart said in the message. "And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died."
And before we get off on how it's a "figurative expression" or a joke, this is a man whose job is to speak to inspire people. He doesn't build anything, he doesn't produce any goods, he makes his living by speaking and through his words inspire listeners to action. He is good at what he does. For him to say, "it's a humorous statement that doesn't mean anything," is sort of like a professional race car driver getting pulled over for running a stop sign saying, "I'm not a good driver."
I'm not sure what your point is, if you have one. I wouldn't walk into a church or a mosque and say, "I spit upon your god," because that would be rude, and that's not how I feel. But if I did, why would the reaction in one house of worship be different than in another?
Maybe you've never met a Muslim or been to a Mosque, but they're not they're not crazied men riding through city streets on camels striking down women for showing some ankle. Yes, there is the fringe minority who think they are doing 'Allah's work.' But do not deny there is the same fringe in Christianity thinking murder is somehow 'God's work.'
Yes, logic oft seem to take flight when discussions turn to religion. But I simply pointing out your hypocrisy.
Religious fundamentalists are dangerous. It is illogical to point fingers from one side to the other when a bullet can kill you as quickly in Brentwood as it can in South Central. Many grave deeds are done in the name of Allah by people who by any reasonable standard are not following the teachings of Islam and the Koran.
But before you hold up Christian fundamentalists in contrast, we should apply a little logic to the observations. Then I think we will see more similarities than differences. I'd say someone who bombs a health clinic in America is as much a real Christian as someone who bombs a crowded market place in Israel is a real Muslim.
Unfortunately the similarities extend not only to the extremists, but to more main stream leaders as well. Yes, many Muslim leaders have spoken out against extremists, but they have not done enough to separate the billions of faithful Muslims around the world from the few who target innocents and children and cultivate death. Likewise, Christian leaders have not spoken out against those who target innocents in the name of God and have not done enough to marginalize those among themselves who deal in death.
To say my head is perfectly safe should I decide to visit a Christian church is highly illogical. Just the other day one of your leaders said, if I looked at him the wrong way, "I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died."
I am neither a Muslim nor a Christian, so I don't mean to throw stones, but if I had a son, I'd certainly feel his head, and other parts, would be safer in a mosque than in a church.
Oh, and by the way, Islamic fundamentalists cut off innocent people's heads. Your head is perfectly safe, should you decide to visit a fundamentalist Christian church.
Yeah, Christians will only shoot you walking in to the doctor's office.
And as to Bush being guided by faith as opposed to his whims, how do you explain his standing on embryonic stem cell research? The federal government won't support it...unless you're already doing it? WTF is that? If Bush was the first beat cop to Jeff Dahmer's house, he would have stopped him from killing anyone else, but let him finish eating the people he had already in the fridge.
For "over ruling scientific findings," one day the white house issues a report saying global warming is happening and people are contributing to the effect. The next day Bush says there is no evidence for global warming.
With all his flip-flops on the environment, the assault weapons legislation, the war on terror, campaign fiance reform...I don't doubt Bush is guided by faith. The question in, faith in what?
Deuterium is an isotope of hydrogen, not a molecule.
That's like saying the iMac is an Apple, not a computer. Yes, Deuterium is an isotope of hydrogen. That does not preclude Deuterium molecules. Actually, it predicts it. We get D2 just like we get H2. But if you want to get that FP (and first mod) you can't let the facts get in the way.
A deuterium nucleus has a proton and a neutron... only one of these has a positive charge.
How is that 'interesting'???? Again, while technically true, that statement shows a complete ignorance of the discussion at hand. A proton has a positive charge. A nucleus of one proton and one neutron also has an overall positive charge. When you have two such nuclei they are both positively charged.
Okay? Get it? There's nothing confusing about it; nothing weird. Two deuterium atoms come together to form a molecule. Each nucleus has a positive charge. They're breaking up a molecule, not an atom or nucleus.
What state do you live in that you don't vote for in the Presidential election?
Well, if the OP is in the US of A, it doesn't matter which state. None of the states have you voting for the President. You are voting for electors that represent your state and vote on the Monday following the second Wednesday of December.
It's like saying in American football, "Let them score so we can get the ball back."
Which happens, while not every game, more than once in a blue moon.
Situations calling for giving the other team a quick score include, time is running out and a score seems imminent. Coaches decide to maximize time left when they get they get ball back rather than letting the other team run out the game clock. A more common example is giving the other team an intentional touchback. Giving the other team 2 points when you're up by 3 is sometimes the best move.
Yes I thought I was joking. As, I'll wager, were all the folks making 'we'll invade Mars when we find oil there' jokes.
As an example of private industry's hunger for a Mars mission, Steve Streich, a veteran Halliburton scientific adviser, was among the authors of an article in Oil & Gas Journal in 2000 titled "Drilling Technology for Mars Research Useful for Oil, Gas Industries." The article called a Mars exploration program "an unprecedented opportunity for both investigating the possibility of life on Mars and for improving our abilities to support oil and gas demands on Earth," because technology developed for the mission could be used on this planet.
I knew the people running the country were evil...but come on!
"That's the crux of the matter. If the embryo is human, killing him to get cells is no different from the Chinese executing convicts to harvest their organs; if the embryo is not human, then it's no different from killing a dog or a cat for medical research."
So you oppose Bush's policy on embryonic stem cell research?
Didn't they learn from the Bring It On and the Mission Accomplished tough talk?
Yes. They learned jingoistic tripe works, and they're rich enough and old enough to keep the boogie men in the closet. They're running up a tab, and they don't care which generation gets stuck with the bill, as long as it's not theirs.
Oh yeah, and your quote "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" sounds great, but just shows how little you've actually CONSIDERED the issue.
Yeah! That Ben Franklin, always spouting off without thinking about the issues. What a dumb ass. [/sarcasm]
You sir, are an idiot. Do you really consider being able "to ravage that hot chick walking down the street," is an essential liberty?
As a US citizen, when I go into the voting booth, I'll be thinking of essential liberties such as going to see my president speak without having to sign a loyalty oath, wearing a t-shirt with a slogan supporting a currently-out-of-power political party without being hassled by the secret service, reporters recording a speech given by a supreme court justice without getting bullied by US marshals
Speed limits don't make me think I'm seeing an empire in the decline. I get that from an administration that feels free to go around the world putting people into secret prisons, torturing prisoners, killing prisoners, calling the Geneva convention "quaint."
The people who aren't pissed off (whether on the right or the left) just aren't paying attention.
Clicked on the link in the summary, went to the Nature page, cliced on the link to the "interactive feature" and just ended up at a bunch of links to editorials and analysis.
Your point about equivalence does stand, but I can still tell acceleration from old fashioned gravity. You're really talking about two different things.
If I'm in a closed room with no outside stimuli other than some gravity-like force, there are experiments I can perform to learn something about the nature of that force.
However if I'm in a closed room with no detectable gravity...well, you know, there are still things I can do to determine if I am in free fall or out in the middle of no where with no gravity-producing mass around.
I take my two balls and place them in the air. If I'm free from all gravity, or in an area where opposing fields cancel out, the balls will remain stationary.
If I am in free fall, then the balls are falling. Even through I am falling at the same rate, they will follow paths according the center of gravity and gradually get closer together. Their paths will intersect at the center of gravity. (Yes, the balls would have to be placed perfectly still and in any realistic situation it would be extremely difficult to measure by what amount the balls' paths deviate from parallel, but hey, its a thought experiment.)
I'm not arguing the relationship between gravity and acceleration. There's a reason g is expressed in units of acceleration. But I can still distinguish the effects of free fall from the advanced effect of a machine generating a gravity field opposing earth's.
Acceleration is not scalar. It has direction. If I'm on the Earth, two objects get closer together as they fall, moving towards the center of the Earth. If I'm in a rotating space station, two objects move apart as they fall, moving radially away from the center of rotation. (Well, that's not quite right because the acceleration is tangential to the rotation, not towards the center of rotation in sense that Earth gravity is acceleration away from the center of gravity. The point is, I can figure out I'm on a rotating space station and not on the Earth.)
If I'm moved by straight-line acceleration with no gravitational effects, falling objects follow parallel paths. These effects still exist even if I am in free fall and stationary relative to the falling objects.
And yes, I do have issues. Thank you for noticing. =)
I'm in a plane with no windows. Some force is keeping my feet on the floor and giving me the sensation of weight. I take two balls out of my pockets. I drop them.
If the balls fall straight down in parallel paths, I am undergoing constant acceleration.
If the balls do not fall in parallel paths, but rather land closer together, I am feeling the effects of gravity and the two paths intersect at the center of gravity for the system.
Yes, some theoretical gravity field with a center of gravity at an infinite distance will cause objects to fall in parallel paths. The real gravity field affecting the plane, the balls, and me is not such a field, and can be distinguished from constant acceleration.
Actually, methods of determining an un-seen source of 'gravity' (under influence of planet, rotating space station, constant acceleration in a straight line) was in the first problem set on the first of class in freshman physics. See what you would of learned if you had gone to class?
Everyday they don't never come correct You can ask my man right here with the broken neck He's a witness to the job never bein' done He would've been in full in 8 9-11 Was a joke 'cause they always jokin' They the token to your life when it's croakin' They need to be in a pawn shop on a 911 is a joke we don't want 'em I call a cab 'cause a cab will come quicker The doctors huddle up and call a flea flicker The reason that I say that 'cause they Flick you off like fleas They be laughin' at ya while you're crawlin' on your knees And to the strength so go the length Thinkin' you are first when you really are tenth You better wake up and smell the real flavor Cause 911 is a fake life saver
So get up, get, get get down 911 is a joke in yo town Get up, get, get, get down Late 911 wears the late crown
Let's consider the *undisputed* facts. Bush was supposed to show for duty with the Alabama national guard. There's no record he ever reported for duty. No remembers him showing up for duty. In fact, several people have gone on record as saying they remember him not being there. Bush was never penalized for failing to complete his duty or compelled into active service.
Now, if you don't sense something very fishy, something is seriously wrong with your judgment.
After three purple hearts he went home. A little fishy, no?
What's fishy about it? Wasn't that the policy for everyone, 3 purple hearts and go home? Are you saying Kerry got some sort of special dispensation?
While we're on the subject of event 30+ years ago, don't you think it's more than a little fishy that while 200+ peers and superiors are speaking out on Kerry's service (even contradicting their own previous statements and service records), you cant PAY someone to remember Bush's service with the Alabama national guard?
It's not a major stretch to think no body remembers seeing Bush--and a few remember not seeing him--because he never fulfilled his commitment to his country. Maybe he got some special treatment.
VINCENT Yeah, it's legal, but is ain't a hundred percent legal. I mean you can't walk into a restaurant, roll a joint, and start puffin' away. You're only supposed to smoke in your home or certain designated places.
JULES Those are hash bars?
VINCENT Yeah, it breaks down like this: it's legal to buy it, it's legal to own it and, if you're the proprietor of a hash bar, it's legal to sell it. It's legal to carry it, which doesn't really matter 'cause -- get a load of this -- if the cops stop you, it's illegal for this to search you. Searching you is a right that the cops in Amsterdam don't have.
JULES That did it, man -- I'm fuckin' goin', that's all there is to it.
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Certainly the war on drugs has its profiteers and mercenaries, but jails take years to build. It's easy to make money on a sustained growth in the prisoner population; it's hard to make money on a sudden growth in what is essentially petty crime.
There is also the ability to force an unjust government to face uncomfortable political realities. Who wants to first on the boat back to mother England with the news the practitioners of violent uncivil disobedience aren't being prosecuted because judges have 100s of cases of 'possession of salt with intent to season'?
Likewise, how many politicians will run on the 'I let a serial rapist go free to make room for johnny pot-smoker' platform? Not many. You can clog up the courts with petty criminals and force politicians to choose between pot smokers and violent criminals. Witness the current debate in Chicago. I don't see legalization around the corner, but I do see more localities coming to the realization pot smokers are not public enemy # 1 and just cost too damn much to prosecute.
To many, the benefit of the war on drugs is money. But for those who have allowed this war to escalate, and have the power to stop it, the benefit is political clout. Force the hand of the police with what is essentially a DoS attack on the court system, and the politicians will have some 'splaining to do.
Well, yes, this thread is off topic.
To get back on topic, as a presidential candidate, what is David Cobb's position on religous fundamentalism and its affect on the laws and culture of the USA?
Jimmy Swaggart may not be someone you personally follow, but he is certainly someone who has many followers.
And before we get off on how it's a "figurative expression" or a joke, this is a man whose job is to speak to inspire people. He doesn't build anything, he doesn't produce any goods, he makes his living by speaking and through his words inspire listeners to action. He is good at what he does. For him to say, "it's a humorous statement that doesn't mean anything," is sort of like a professional race car driver getting pulled over for running a stop sign saying, "I'm not a good driver."
I'm not sure what your point is, if you have one. I wouldn't walk into a church or a mosque and say, "I spit upon your god," because that would be rude, and that's not how I feel. But if I did, why would the reaction in one house of worship be different than in another?
Maybe you've never met a Muslim or been to a Mosque, but they're not they're not crazied men riding through city streets on camels striking down women for showing some ankle. Yes, there is the fringe minority who think they are doing 'Allah's work.' But do not deny there is the same fringe in Christianity thinking murder is somehow 'God's work.'
Yes, logic oft seem to take flight when discussions turn to religion. But I simply pointing out your hypocrisy.
Religious fundamentalists are dangerous. It is illogical to point fingers from one side to the other when a bullet can kill you as quickly in Brentwood as it can in South Central. Many grave deeds are done in the name of Allah by people who by any reasonable standard are not following the teachings of Islam and the Koran.
But before you hold up Christian fundamentalists in contrast, we should apply a little logic to the observations. Then I think we will see more similarities than differences. I'd say someone who bombs a health clinic in America is as much a real Christian as someone who bombs a crowded market place in Israel is a real Muslim.
Unfortunately the similarities extend not only to the extremists, but to more main stream leaders as well. Yes, many Muslim leaders have spoken out against extremists, but they have not done enough to separate the billions of faithful Muslims around the world from the few who target innocents and children and cultivate death. Likewise, Christian leaders have not spoken out against those who target innocents in the name of God and have not done enough to marginalize those among themselves who deal in death.
To say my head is perfectly safe should I decide to visit a Christian church is highly illogical. Just the other day one of your leaders said, if I looked at him the wrong way, "I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died."
I am neither a Muslim nor a Christian, so I don't mean to throw stones, but if I had a son, I'd certainly feel his head, and other parts, would be safer in a mosque than in a church.
Yeah, Christians will only shoot you walking in to the doctor's office.
And as to Bush being guided by faith as opposed to his whims, how do you explain his standing on embryonic stem cell research? The federal government won't support it...unless you're already doing it? WTF is that? If Bush was the first beat cop to Jeff Dahmer's house, he would have stopped him from killing anyone else, but let him finish eating the people he had already in the fridge.
For "over ruling scientific findings," one day the white house issues a report saying global warming is happening and people are contributing to the effect. The next day Bush says there is no evidence for global warming.
With all his flip-flops on the environment, the assault weapons legislation, the war on terror, campaign fiance reform...I don't doubt Bush is guided by faith. The question in, faith in what?
What does any of that have to do with Cobb? Can you tell us what the Green party is for?
Why do you think this has the worst writeup ever?
/. standards.
A photon is used to break apart a molecule. Measurments are made; stuff might be learnt.
It's actually a pretty good summary, especally by
Okay? Get it? There's nothing confusing about it; nothing weird. Two deuterium atoms come together to form a molecule. Each nucleus has a positive charge. They're breaking up a molecule, not an atom or nucleus.
Well, if the OP is in the US of A, it doesn't matter which state. None of the states have you voting for the President. You are voting for electors that represent your state and vote on the Monday following the second Wednesday of December.
Which happens, while not every game, more than once in a blue moon.
Situations calling for giving the other team a quick score include, time is running out and a score seems imminent. Coaches decide to maximize time left when they get they get ball back rather than letting the other team run out the game clock. A more common example is giving the other team an intentional touchback. Giving the other team 2 points when you're up by 3 is sometimes the best move.
Yeah, but how does Halliburton make money off of us sending people to Mars?
"That's the crux of the matter. If the embryo is human, killing him to get cells is no different from the Chinese executing convicts to harvest their organs; if the embryo is not human, then it's no different from killing a dog or a cat for medical research."
So you oppose Bush's policy on embryonic stem cell research?
Yes. They learned jingoistic tripe works, and they're rich enough and old enough to keep the boogie men in the closet. They're running up a tab, and they don't care which generation gets stuck with the bill, as long as it's not theirs.
Yeah! That Ben Franklin, always spouting off without thinking about the issues. What a dumb ass. [/sarcasm]
You sir, are an idiot. Do you really consider being able "to ravage that hot chick walking down the street," is an essential liberty?
As a US citizen, when I go into the voting booth, I'll be thinking of essential liberties such as going to see my president speak without having to sign a loyalty oath, wearing a t-shirt with a slogan supporting a currently-out-of-power political party without being hassled by the secret service, reporters recording a speech given by a supreme court justice without getting bullied by US marshals
Speed limits don't make me think I'm seeing an empire in the decline. I get that from an administration that feels free to go around the world putting people into secret prisons, torturing prisoners, killing prisoners, calling the Geneva convention "quaint."
The people who aren't pissed off (whether on the right or the left) just aren't paying attention.
Clicked on the link in the summary, went to the Nature page, cliced on the link to the "interactive feature" and just ended up at a bunch of links to editorials and analysis.
Where are the actual questions and answers?
Your point about equivalence does stand, but I can still tell acceleration from old fashioned gravity. You're really talking about two different things.
If I'm in a closed room with no outside stimuli other than some gravity-like force, there are experiments I can perform to learn something about the nature of that force.
However if I'm in a closed room with no detectable gravity...well, you know, there are still things I can do to determine if I am in free fall or out in the middle of no where with no gravity-producing mass around.
I take my two balls and place them in the air. If I'm free from all gravity, or in an area where opposing fields cancel out, the balls will remain stationary.
If I am in free fall, then the balls are falling. Even through I am falling at the same rate, they will follow paths according the center of gravity and gradually get closer together. Their paths will intersect at the center of gravity. (Yes, the balls would have to be placed perfectly still and in any realistic situation it would be extremely difficult to measure by what amount the balls' paths deviate from parallel, but hey, its a thought experiment.)
I'm not arguing the relationship between gravity and acceleration. There's a reason g is expressed in units of acceleration. But I can still distinguish the effects of free fall from the advanced effect of a machine generating a gravity field opposing earth's.
Acceleration is not scalar. It has direction. If I'm on the Earth, two objects get closer together as they fall, moving towards the center of the Earth. If I'm in a rotating space station, two objects move apart as they fall, moving radially away from the center of rotation. (Well, that's not quite right because the acceleration is tangential to the rotation, not towards the center of rotation in sense that Earth gravity is acceleration away from the center of gravity. The point is, I can figure out I'm on a rotating space station and not on the Earth.)
If I'm moved by straight-line acceleration with no gravitational effects, falling objects follow parallel paths. These effects still exist even if I am in free fall and stationary relative to the falling objects.
And yes, I do have issues. Thank you for noticing. =)
Listen shrub,
I'm in a plane with no windows. Some force is keeping my feet on the floor and giving me the sensation of weight. I take two balls out of my pockets. I drop them.
If the balls fall straight down in parallel paths, I am undergoing constant acceleration.
If the balls do not fall in parallel paths, but rather land closer together, I am feeling the effects of gravity and the two paths intersect at the center of gravity for the system.
Yes, some theoretical gravity field with a center of gravity at an infinite distance will cause objects to fall in parallel paths. The real gravity field affecting the plane, the balls, and me is not such a field, and can be distinguished from constant acceleration.
Actually, methods of determining an un-seen source of 'gravity' (under influence of planet, rotating space station, constant acceleration in a straight line) was in the first problem set on the first of class in freshman physics. See what you would of learned if you had gone to class?
Everyday they don't never come correct
You can ask my man right here with the broken neck
He's a witness to the job never bein' done
He would've been in full in 8 9-11
Was a joke 'cause they always jokin'
They the token to your life when it's croakin'
They need to be in a pawn shop on a
911 is a joke we don't want 'em
I call a cab 'cause a cab will come quicker
The doctors huddle up and call a flea flicker
The reason that I say that 'cause they
Flick you off like fleas
They be laughin' at ya while you're crawlin' on your knees
And to the strength so go the length
Thinkin' you are first when you really are tenth
You better wake up and smell the real flavor
Cause 911 is a fake life saver
So get up, get, get get down
911 is a joke in yo town
Get up, get, get, get down
Late 911 wears the late crown
- Public Enemy
Let's consider the *undisputed* facts. Bush was supposed to show for duty with the Alabama national guard. There's no record he ever reported for duty. No remembers him showing up for duty. In fact, several people have gone on record as saying they remember him not being there. Bush was never penalized for failing to complete his duty or compelled into active service.
Now, if you don't sense something very fishy, something is seriously wrong with your judgment.
What's fishy about it? Wasn't that the policy for everyone, 3 purple hearts and go home? Are you saying Kerry got some sort of special dispensation?
While we're on the subject of event 30+ years ago, don't you think it's more than a little fishy that while 200+ peers and superiors are speaking out on Kerry's service (even contradicting their own previous statements and service records), you cant PAY someone to remember Bush's service with the Alabama national guard?
It's not a major stretch to think no body remembers seeing Bush--and a few remember not seeing him--because he never fulfilled his commitment to his country. Maybe he got some special treatment.
I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me - Hunter S. Thompson
VINCENT
Yeah, it's legal, but is ain't a
hundred percent legal. I mean you
can't walk into a restaurant, roll
a joint, and start puffin' away.
You're only supposed to smoke in
your home or certain designated
places.
JULES
Those are hash bars?
VINCENT
Yeah, it breaks down like this:
it's legal to buy it, it's legal to
own it and, if you're the
proprietor of a hash bar, it's
legal to sell it. It's legal to
carry it, which doesn't really
matter 'cause -- get a load of this
-- if the cops stop you, it's
illegal for this to search you.
Searching you is a right that the
cops in Amsterdam don't have.
JULES
That did it, man -- I'm fuckin'
goin', that's all there is to it.
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