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...For best product enabling some semblance of competition in an office workplace environment, and for all their efforts going up against a very well funded vendor lock-in conspiracy. A great example of real software technology competition on it's own merits w/o the heavy reliance on marketing and legal manouvering.
In particular, scientists involved in the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) project like the prospects of a lunar listening post. A major nuisance they face as they eavesdrop on the universe is the constant interference of radio emissions from Earth.
I'm sure it's a major nuisance to the Aliens too: "How can we continue with our search for intelligent life with all this crap coming from those idiots on Earth!?!?"
Yes, make war, not love. It's simple population control: violence kills people off and makes for less of a problem for the rulers - but sex tends to breed more people who need day care, schooling, unskilled labor employment, welfare, etc.
Ray Harryhausen, perhaps the greatest stop-motion special effects artist ever.
You betcha - I had to get a cheap tape of "Seventh Voyage of Sinbad" just to enjoy some of his work - I also have a super-8 film of his flying saucers in "Earth vs the Flying Saucers" (the original "Independance Day" heheh.)
Am I the only one whose first BBS was on CPM or what?:)
Maybe in this group but surely not the only;) I remember, in 1985, after moving to Newport News VA and looking for the local bbs scene there was one called OX Gate that was STILL running on CP/M, and I think claimed to have gone online in 1979.
Like Apple was forced to change the internal code name for project "Sagan", maybe Lindows can change their name to "Buttheaded, Gigalomaniac Software Archictect System", or BGSAS for short.
I'm just daydreaming of rewriting the lyrics to a couple of old songs in light of this, namely the PeterPaulMary tune that ends each verse with "When will they every learn" and Bob Dylan's "Blowin' in the wind"....
How many times must the hackers break in
Before they buy something secure?
How many times must an email infect,
before they just dump their Outlook?
How many times must they reinstall Win,
before they realize it's just crap?
The answer my frind, is blowin in the win,
the answer is blowing in the win.
[ or something like that, that's just off the cuff but you get the idea ]
The big boss of the heavy equip. comp I work for is already grumbling about the spirialing cost of software, it was his son (my boss) who got the office updated, computerized and committed to Msft. Yesterday a new girl with MSOffice Small Biz edition asks for PowerPoint - imagine my suprise to see the cost of the full version!
For some reason, nobody with the authority to do anything is concerned about monopoly price gouging. If the QuickE mart tries to charge $2.5 / gal of gas we can laugh and go to a competitor. But once the evil Msft get's you business by the testicles you just have to pay, pay, and pay all you can afford and then some - no choices allowed.
You can share a calendar w/o Exchange server - just did it. All that the Outlook clients need to do is to be able to send email to each other. Granted it may take up to 20 minutes to update but it can work w/o the server. It can share folders with the Msft mail 3 'postoffice' too (bunch of passive directories on a server).
Ok, if they're not going to be broken up to restore a competitive market (i.e., the OS company competing against other OS's on it's own merit w/o applications like Office automatically dragging it in; or v-v, Office competing for other OS share w/o the 90% OS market dragging IT in) then, sure, like other natural monopolies (in this instance a monopoly for integration purposes) regulate them, just like the electric, gas, cable, phone, etc companies. For chrissake, bring the cost of software down - Staroffice costs $50 for a boxed version, MSOffice is $500 and isn't all that much better. I don't mind them making a profit, I just don't want to send several hundred Msfties on an all expense paid carribean cruise evertime we add a couple of wrkstations. Look at how competition in the hardware arena benefits consumers with companies forced for be effecient to stay alive, giving us better and better products at affordable prices, then look at how utterly different the history of software prices is, going up & up with 'features' you may or may not want, and you either pay it or do without or resort to piracy (and I don't mean the olde million dollar mainframe software market).
Say you're a small biz still happily making $$$ with some old Access 2.0 databases and want to add 10 wrkstations - Now you have to pay upwards of $300 each for Access 2002. It just as if the electric utility keeps coming up with new improved electricity and your bill keeps going up and you have no choice, you can't switch to another power company, and the open source alternative of building a generator in your back yard doesn't appeal to all users - w/o a consumer advocate/regulator we're just screwed, and Msft gets their billions and billions.
1979. Programmer Warren Robinett inserts the first Easter Egg (a hidden feature embedded in the game code, in this case, his name) into Adventure. His subterfuge is motivated by Atari's policy of not crediting game designers
The ion engine is just another Newton's-third-law technology, with the big nuance being that rather than relying on the expansion of hot gases from the burning of fuel to provide the counter-force, the spacecraft uses an electified grid to propel tiny charged ions out the back
Some mail order electronics/science catalogs used to sell little Van Der Graff static generators (you know, the shiny metal ball on a column with a rubber band running up and down) as "Atom Smasher! Demonstrate Ion Space Propulsion!!" (this was about early 1970's, Lafayette catalog) and the ion drive was the ancient static electricity "whirygig" trick, put an 'S' shaped wire with pointed ends on top balanced on a bearing, fire up the generator and it spins from the corona discharge streaming off the pointed ends. However, scaled up to industrial military space size it could be what gets people up to near warp speed some time in the not so distant future.
And you have to admit that/. (it's authors and much of the readership) is a bit biased when it comes to MS:-)
It's a perfectly natural and normal "mirror image" response to Msft's freakin' bias about itself - kinda like the rich, homely girl who thinks she's the beauty of the party that just invites sniggers, chuckles, cynicism and sarcasm from others.
I think they said it can create a 'profile' based on remote control usage, so it the remote is doing a lot of channel surfing and stops at a particular show and some ad, it can record that "user 1 likes such-and-such", then another user may only change channels between shows or whatever and records what on during that useage pattern. Kinda like analyzing how different people type to distinguish who's at the keyboard, a hunt-and-pecker or a speed typist - then they can record what content is being typed for two different users even tho they don't id by logging in, retina scan or whatever.
But there is a fatel flaw in this argument. These are NOT lost sales. Students simply do not have the money to go out and buy a ton of high priced server software, though they may enjoy playing with it.
Nope, it's not at all a 'fatel flaw' (after 25 year, I've heard it ALL before;) - the fact that you can't afford something doesn't in the least give you the right to steal it. If you can't afford a Mercedes, you don't get a Mercedes. One copy per customer, please. The law is funny that way, but that's how the legal system and business look at it - someone using a product w/o paying for it is a 'lost sale', lost $$$, not lost # of users, market penetration, circulation, etc. The law equates intangibles with physical units, just as if someone took a Mercedes from a car dealer w/o paying for it is a $$$ 'loss' to the car dealer. Deal.
Nope - I have to agree w/ Michael myself, Msft gets away with leveraging one monopoly position to extend their business into everything they possibly can, incl. in this case, coming from behind with a backward web browser and via OS "integration" force it upon the 90% of the OS customers who clearly, freely, chose another company's browser before Msft caught onto this Internet thing. If some part of that "all potential 3rd party software is now a part of the OS" leveraging strategy backfires, it's a fitting comeuppance, IMHO. Sure, bashing Msft only ends up bashing yourself, they're pretty teflon coated by now, but some of us still like to tell it the way it really happened.
Look at all the 3rd party companies that are now threatened by all that's bundeled in XP, media players, remote control, IM, cd-writers, ISP's, - a lot of them have perfectly good quality products that are going to be displaced by this so called "Operating System" - it's perfectly natural for any one of them to cackle with glee anytime one of Msft's crappy imitations screws up where their's doesn't, given that the market wasn't fairly won.
Kids who grew up on a farm knew all about sticking pigs and chopping off chicken heads for dinner, as well as procreation. They shouldn't so be isolated from 'reality', it just creates people who are so darned squimish they donate money to PETA and worry about rabbits getting a rash from testing cosmetics on them.
Ok, I RTFA but I can *still* do the same thing fairly easily if some building owner would permit it. Another issue, at least in the states, are laws banning annoying advertising as a distraction to motorists. ("Hey look! They're playing pong on that build...").
it would seem to me, is getting permission from the bldg owners/occupants - otherwise you just wire a big relay panel by the breakers and drive them with an output port, nothing extremely new or anything, just takes some effort, time, and of course, euro's. Getting past the liability lawyers and insurance agents...
that the inventors and purveyors of some new technology (fire, bronze, the printing press, radio, TV, uP's, etc) envision it as some sort of gateway to an Utopian existance, ushering in an age of peace, harmony, understanding, an end to wars and hunger, blah blah blah - only to have it end up being used for some individual's or group's advantage in gaining wealth, status and power over others?
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...For best product enabling some semblance of competition in an office workplace environment, and for all their efforts going up against a very well funded vendor lock-in conspiracy. A great example of real software technology competition on it's own merits w/o the heavy reliance on marketing and legal manouvering.
including many new galaxies with extremely high red shifts, according to Takahashi.
;)
Indeed - I'll Takahashi any day
In particular, scientists involved in the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) project like the prospects of a lunar listening post. A major nuisance they face as they eavesdrop on the universe is the constant interference of radio emissions from Earth.
I'm sure it's a major nuisance to the Aliens too: "How can we continue with our search for intelligent life with all this crap coming from those idiots on Earth!?!?"
Yes, make war, not love. It's simple population control: violence kills people off and makes for less of a problem for the rulers - but sex tends to breed more people who need day care, schooling, unskilled labor employment, welfare, etc.
Ray Harryhausen, perhaps the greatest stop-motion special effects artist ever.
You betcha - I had to get a cheap tape of "Seventh Voyage of Sinbad" just to enjoy some of his work - I also have a super-8 film of his flying saucers in "Earth vs the Flying Saucers" (the original "Independance Day" heheh.)
Am I the only one whose first BBS was on CPM or what? :)
;) I remember, in 1985, after moving to Newport News VA and looking for the local bbs scene there was one called OX Gate that was STILL running on CP/M, and I think claimed to have gone online in 1979.
Maybe in this group but surely not the only
like this
Like Apple was forced to change the internal code name for project "Sagan", maybe Lindows can change their name to "Buttheaded, Gigalomaniac Software Archictect System", or BGSAS for short.
I'm just daydreaming of rewriting the lyrics to a couple of old songs in light of this, namely the PeterPaulMary tune that ends each verse with "When will they every learn" and Bob Dylan's "Blowin' in the wind"....
How many times must the hackers break in
Before they buy something secure?
How many times must an email infect,
before they just dump their Outlook?
How many times must they reinstall Win,
before they realize it's just crap?
The answer my frind, is blowin in the win,
the answer is blowing in the win.
[ or something like that, that's just off the cuff but you get the idea ]
Give me an NT server w/ 3D pinball in the backoffice anyday. That's the reason they put video drivers in kernel space you know.
The big boss of the heavy equip. comp I work for is already grumbling about the spirialing cost of software, it was his son (my boss) who got the office updated, computerized and committed to Msft. Yesterday a new girl with MSOffice Small Biz edition asks for PowerPoint - imagine my suprise to see the cost of the full version!
For some reason, nobody with the authority to do anything is concerned about monopoly price gouging. If the QuickE mart tries to charge $2.5 / gal of gas we can laugh and go to a competitor. But once the evil Msft get's you business by the testicles you just have to pay, pay, and pay all you can afford and then some - no choices allowed.
You can share a calendar w/o Exchange server - just did it. All that the Outlook clients need to do is to be able to send email to each other. Granted it may take up to 20 minutes to update but it can work w/o the server. It can share folders with the Msft mail 3 'postoffice' too (bunch of passive directories on a server).
Ok, if they're not going to be broken up to restore a competitive market (i.e., the OS company competing against other OS's on it's own merit w/o applications like Office automatically dragging it in; or v-v, Office competing for other OS share w/o the 90% OS market dragging IT in) then, sure, like other natural monopolies (in this instance a monopoly for integration purposes) regulate them, just like the electric, gas, cable, phone, etc companies. For chrissake, bring the cost of software down - Staroffice costs $50 for a boxed version, MSOffice is $500 and isn't all that much better. I don't mind them making a profit, I just don't want to send several hundred Msfties on an all expense paid carribean cruise evertime we add a couple of wrkstations. Look at how competition in the hardware arena benefits consumers with companies forced for be effecient to stay alive, giving us better and better products at affordable prices, then look at how utterly different the history of software prices is, going up & up with 'features' you may or may not want, and you either pay it or do without or resort to piracy (and I don't mean the olde million dollar mainframe software market).
Say you're a small biz still happily making $$$ with some old Access 2.0 databases and want to add 10 wrkstations - Now you have to pay upwards of $300 each for Access 2002. It just as if the electric utility keeps coming up with new improved electricity and your bill keeps going up and you have no choice, you can't switch to another power company, and the open source alternative of building a generator in your back yard doesn't appeal to all users - w/o a consumer advocate/regulator we're just screwed, and Msft gets their billions and billions.
According to this :
1979. Programmer Warren Robinett inserts the first Easter Egg (a hidden feature embedded in the game code, in this case, his name) into Adventure. His subterfuge is motivated by Atari's policy of not crediting game designers
The ion engine is just another Newton's-third-law technology, with the big nuance being that rather than relying on the expansion of hot gases from the burning of fuel to provide the counter-force, the spacecraft uses an electified grid to propel tiny charged ions out the back
Some mail order electronics/science catalogs used to sell little Van Der Graff static generators (you know, the shiny metal ball on a column with a rubber band running up and down) as "Atom Smasher! Demonstrate Ion Space Propulsion!!" (this was about early 1970's, Lafayette catalog) and the ion drive was the ancient static electricity "whirygig" trick, put an 'S' shaped wire with pointed ends on top balanced on a bearing, fire up the generator and it spins from the corona discharge streaming off the pointed ends. However, scaled up to industrial military space size it could be what gets people up to near warp speed some time in the not so distant future.
And you have to admit that /. (it's authors and much of the readership) is a bit biased when it comes to MS :-)
It's a perfectly natural and normal "mirror image" response to Msft's freakin' bias about itself - kinda like the rich, homely girl who thinks she's the beauty of the party that just invites sniggers, chuckles, cynicism and sarcasm from others.
I think they said it can create a 'profile' based on remote control usage, so it the remote is doing a lot of channel surfing and stops at a particular show and some ad, it can record that "user 1 likes such-and-such", then another user may only change channels between shows or whatever and records what on during that useage pattern. Kinda like analyzing how different people type to distinguish who's at the keyboard, a hunt-and-pecker or a speed typist - then they can record what content is being typed for two different users even tho they don't id by logging in, retina scan or whatever.
But there is a fatel flaw in this argument. These are NOT lost sales. Students simply do not have the money to go out and buy a ton of high priced server software, though they may enjoy playing with it.
;) - the fact that you can't afford something doesn't in the least give you the right to steal it. If you can't afford a Mercedes, you don't get a Mercedes. One copy per customer, please. The law is funny that way, but that's how the legal system and business look at it - someone using a product w/o paying for it is a 'lost sale', lost $$$, not lost # of users, market penetration, circulation, etc. The law equates intangibles with physical units, just as if someone took a Mercedes from a car dealer w/o paying for it is a $$$ 'loss' to the car dealer. Deal.
Nope, it's not at all a 'fatel flaw' (after 25 year, I've heard it ALL before
Nope - I have to agree w/ Michael myself, Msft gets away with leveraging one monopoly position to extend their business into everything they possibly can, incl. in this case, coming from behind with a backward web browser and via OS "integration" force it upon the 90% of the OS customers who clearly, freely, chose another company's browser before Msft caught onto this Internet thing. If some part of that "all potential 3rd party software is now a part of the OS" leveraging strategy backfires, it's a fitting comeuppance, IMHO. Sure, bashing Msft only ends up bashing yourself, they're pretty teflon coated by now, but some of us still like to tell it the way it really happened.
Look at all the 3rd party companies that are now threatened by all that's bundeled in XP, media players, remote control, IM, cd-writers, ISP's, - a lot of them have perfectly good quality products that are going to be displaced by this so called "Operating System" - it's perfectly natural for any one of them to cackle with glee anytime one of Msft's crappy imitations screws up where their's doesn't, given that the market wasn't fairly won.
Then you should have one of these
Kids who grew up on a farm knew all about sticking pigs and chopping off chicken heads for dinner, as well as procreation. They shouldn't so be isolated from 'reality', it just creates people who are so darned squimish they donate money to PETA and worry about rabbits getting a rash from testing cosmetics on them.
Ok, I RTFA but I can *still* do the same thing fairly easily if some building owner would permit it. Another issue, at least in the states, are laws banning annoying advertising as a distraction to motorists. ("Hey look! They're playing pong on that build...").
Whatever - it's a great display.
it would seem to me, is getting permission from the bldg owners/occupants - otherwise you just wire a big relay panel by the breakers and drive them with an output port, nothing extremely new or anything, just takes some effort, time, and of course, euro's. Getting past the liability lawyers and insurance agents...
You want to WHAT?? WHY????
that you ask permission before sending email to my inbox - or I'll sue!
that the inventors and purveyors of some new technology (fire, bronze, the printing press, radio, TV, uP's, etc) envision it as some sort of gateway to an Utopian existance, ushering in an age of peace, harmony, understanding, an end to wars and hunger, blah blah blah - only to have it end up being used for some individual's or group's advantage in gaining wealth, status and power over others?