You save money with the new system.
It will not cost you time, gas or auto maintenance taking the nightly trip from mamma's basement to the local XXX shop on the edge of town.
Is it a deficiency if the corporate world and by and large the commercial world are coding to IT6 (or sometimes IE7).
No matter what IE is, if people make their sites so they look good on IE, isn't that the goal?
I agree IE should stick closer to W3C, but honestly the end desire is for the users to see what the developers want them to see, in a way that is desireable.
I hate discussions about share value that ignore the fact that the share value is set by people somewhat arbitrarily. It has no direct link to the value of the company or its products/services.
I understand the interest in the numbers. It does surprise me that Apple is worth so much, but given the loopy attitude people have towards Apple products that seems independent of their actual product, it makes some sense.
Personally, I see stocks like baseball cards, minus the pictures and the sometimes interesting statistics.
Of course baseball cards are much more difficult to move, but in essense they are the same thing. They sell at market value. The market value is simply set by what someone is willing to pay for it, ot what it is worth to someone in terms of concrete savings or value. Building a business case on the purchase of baseball cards or stock is completely speculative. It is not like you can say, you will make money for sure.
My company works very hard to press software companies to license our software across our global organization. My company is VERY LARGE with a lot of clout. Suffice it to say we are the largest SAP user.
We have some leverage and we get most software companies to comply.
I think as more of the larger companies exert themselves this problem will clear up a little bit.
Until then this is simply an example of market forces at work.
Look at the gas prices in Europe. This is not an effect isolated to software development.
Besides most of these software companies have offices in those European countries. It is WAY MORE EXPENSIVE to staff an IT company in Europe than in the US too. They may be simply recouping local costs since they are likely split between legal entities, one in the US and one in Europe. They each have to turn their own profits OR move money between the companies, which is difficult. Just ask Enron executives how easy it is to move money between legal entities.
I recal reading somewhere that it would cost upwards of $80/barrel to produce the stuff so it was not economically feasible... that was when oil was below $60/barrel.
Seems to me that we have crossed the threashold of feasibility.
My company sells control systems to utilities for operating their power plants. The system is sold with the hardware and... there is not connection to the internet. It is a segregated system that stands on its own.
Why would you need to connect it to the internet or even a modem?
tape backups and/or DVDs of the operating data are moved from the control system to the back office, but it is a one way communication OUT of the control system.
Software upgrades happen rarely at best.
In order to support our customers we maintain copies of their systems down to the OS and patches. We have a mimic of their plant in our labs. Old operating systems and all. Why bother with security patches when your server and 4 PCs are not on a network?
The best I have seen was with the Arizona Department of Transportation (ADOT).
ADOT inherited a building in the easment next to the I-10/I-17 intersection near the AZ Fairgrounds that formerly contained some heavy cranes. These cranes were meant to lift heavy equipment onto trucks and were suspended on rails som 30 feet from the warehouse floor.
When the state inherited the building they decided to lease the downstairs to the Arizona Magazine for printing and assembling that fine pictoral magazine. The area in the rafters where the aforementioned crane resided was useless to them... so along comes the genius.
They used the heavy beams meant to support the crane as the basis for hanging a plywood floor. On this hanging / suspended plywood floor they would put in "Office Space" and lease that to ADOT for their IT development group.
It gets better.
Yes, all the electrisity and data wiring came into the building and was drapped across the gap between the wall and the suspended floor.
Yes the floor moved noticably, although it was too big for a single person to shift it on their own. After all there were 10 cubicles, 2 offices and a conference room on the floor.
Yes they put up pseudo walls separating areas of the room.
Yes, it was a warehouse so the ceiling and walls were just corregated steel... Yes it was in Phoenix Arizona... a dessert.
They did provide air conditioning so it was warm, but not unreasonably.
Another nice feature of the buiding was that it was partially beneath the I-17 N to I-10 E ramp that was about 60 feet off the ground. Every once in a while you would hear the clunk of someone Super Big Gulp hitting the metal roof, or the lite tap of a cigarette butt. At one point an ADOT truck in the parking lot was crushed by a truck tire that came off and went over the railing. Another truck was damaged by a water tank that came off another vehicle.
The best part about the IT solution was that they also put the servers up there. We had a separate room where all the servers were. It had extra air conditioning blowing on it, but it was not a contained room, it was firly open with walls that went part way to the cieling and a gap between the floor and the print shop below.
So the server room was in a metal building with no insulation in the dessert on a plywood floor suspended above a print shop under a highway were large things occassionally rain down. I shudder to think what would happen during a power outage.
The overall German grid is somewhat centrally hubbed from Hessen. Particularly around that Nuke Plant that no body aknowledges that exists just outside of Frankfurt.
I concure that the streets are often disrupted by being dug up, but I don't recall it taking as long go dig them up and get them fixed as my perception is here in the USA.
Germany achieves a higher degree of redundance. I expect this is afforded by the fact that the density of customers and junction points is smaller than in the USA and there are fewer utility companies in the mix. There once was a time not too long ago that the USA had many utilities per state. When you mix in so many different companies, the connection points suffer.
Germany has 1/3 the people of the USA crammed into a space 1/27th the space.
That might suggest that a single US utility consumer might be paying for a bit more infrastructure.
It is not the full 9x factor that the numbers imply since you can localize your sources, but it is a SIGNIFICANTLY larger distance that must be covered to convey the same service.
This is true of highways.
I find it absolutely amazing that our prices are even in the same ball park as those of Europe on goods and services that are impacted by population density. In most cases in the US it is cheaper even if you do not take government subsidies into consideration.
Ok, train travel is MUCH cheaper in Europe, but electricity, water, septic, garbage, postal, trucking, auto and air are all cheaper in the US.
As Glenn Beck would say: "Get the duct tape, my head is about to explode!"
UGH!
You counted local taxes when tallying the US side of the equation, but not the European side and claimed to show a reasonable comparison!
When I lived in Frankfurt I pulled in about 110k. I paid almost 50% in income tax and paid 16% in sales tax (yes, I know it is VAT, I am still waiting for someone to explain the real difference to the end consumer)
I now live in Florida. I pull in 70k. I paid a whopping $800 in income tax last year (all combined). I have no state income tax. I live in a county with 6% sales tax. I only pay 1k in property tax.
I Germany, I had 1 kid and no property. In Florida, I have 3 kids, property. My health insurance is more expensive in the US than in Germany by about 20%, but I have MUCH better access to health care. The quality is about the same, but the availability is WAY better in the US.
You guys that think Europe is the better system for the productive individual are LOOPY! Europe flattens everything out. There are more poor than rich in Europe so the middle picks up the difference. In the US, we just let the poor languish and we let the rich trickle it down through their own concious (or gluttony in the case of most sports figures).
Ultimately I don't think one system is better than the other. For me personally, I have a higher standard of living in the US because I am in the middle class. If I was a starving artist like my little brother, Europe would be the way to go.
Making 300k or even 900k / year for the rest of your life may mean that you do not have to make the daily commute to the office. I am in agreement with you on that.
It does, however mean that he would have to use the TP himself.
I think it would be tough to have a full time maid, cook, chauffer, buttler and general assistant on a million a year.
It gets worse if you assume that inflation will diminish the buying power of that money. You cannot just live off the interest, you have to reinject some of it into the base to increase the yield to keep up with inflation.
I'm with you though. I will take the 10 mill and retire from my day job.
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You save money with the new system. It will not cost you time, gas or auto maintenance taking the nightly trip from mamma's basement to the local XXX shop on the edge of town.
Try reading English from 300 years ago.
Genesis 1-3 would be Peter Gabriel in his whacky theatrical costumes.
Does everything I want except fit my budget.
IE is free, where is the profit?????
Is MS suing Firefox / Safari / Mozilla / anyone?
Am I missing something?
Is it a deficiency if the corporate world and by and large the commercial world are coding to IT6 (or sometimes IE7).
No matter what IE is, if people make their sites so they look good on IE, isn't that the goal?
I agree IE should stick closer to W3C, but honestly the end desire is for the users to see what the developers want them to see, in a way that is desireable.
I hate discussions about share value that ignore the fact that the share value is set by people somewhat arbitrarily. It has no direct link to the value of the company or its products/services.
I understand the interest in the numbers. It does surprise me that Apple is worth so much, but given the loopy attitude people have towards Apple products that seems independent of their actual product, it makes some sense.
Personally, I see stocks like baseball cards, minus the pictures and the sometimes interesting statistics.
Of course baseball cards are much more difficult to move, but in essense they are the same thing. They sell at market value. The market value is simply set by what someone is willing to pay for it, ot what it is worth to someone in terms of concrete savings or value. Building a business case on the purchase of baseball cards or stock is completely speculative. It is not like you can say, you will make money for sure.
So would that make the new testiment version 2.0
Perhaps the Book of Mormon is version 2.1
The Koran may be version 1.6
Are the dead sea scrolls a beta release?
My 8 year old son and 5 year old daughters CANNOT WAIT FOR THE MOVIE.
Lego would argue that Star Wars is still immensly relevant.
What is wrong with the traditional frat/sor houses?
My company works very hard to press software companies to license our software across our global organization. My company is VERY LARGE with a lot of clout. Suffice it to say we are the largest SAP user.
We have some leverage and we get most software companies to comply.
I think as more of the larger companies exert themselves this problem will clear up a little bit.
Until then this is simply an example of market forces at work.
Look at the gas prices in Europe. This is not an effect isolated to software development.
Besides most of these software companies have offices in those European countries. It is WAY MORE EXPENSIVE to staff an IT company in Europe than in the US too. They may be simply recouping local costs since they are likely split between legal entities, one in the US and one in Europe. They each have to turn their own profits OR move money between the companies, which is difficult. Just ask Enron executives how easy it is to move money between legal entities.
It is my understanding that all communication that crosses the chinese boarder, must NOT be encrypted.
I am not an internet expert, but it would seem to me that portions of the "full access to the entire internet" would be hampered by this law.
Can someone tell us what the Chinese laws say about encryption?
Can you mount 2 on a hammerhead shark?
If so, is it 28 years?
What are the negatives with gasified coal?
I recal reading somewhere that it would cost upwards of $80/barrel to produce the stuff so it was not economically feasible... that was when oil was below $60/barrel.
Seems to me that we have crossed the threashold of feasibility.
My company sells control systems to utilities for operating their power plants.
The system is sold with the hardware and... there is not connection to the internet.
It is a segregated system that stands on its own.
Why would you need to connect it to the internet or even a modem?
tape backups and/or DVDs of the operating data are moved from the control system to the back office, but it is a one way communication OUT of the control system.
Software upgrades happen rarely at best.
In order to support our customers we maintain copies of their systems down to the OS and patches. We have a mimic of their plant in our labs. Old operating systems and all. Why bother with security patches when your server and 4 PCs are not on a network?
Superhighway pot holes?
What are the Masses of each of the "Unique" star systems?
As measured in KG?
Are they the same?
I didn't think so.
The permanent jobs created are with USPS, UPS, DHL and FedEx.
Sort of like how my iPod Shuffle can only be loaded by that brilliant iTunes software.
The best I have seen was with the Arizona Department of Transportation (ADOT).
ADOT inherited a building in the easment next to the I-10/I-17 intersection near the AZ Fairgrounds that formerly contained some heavy cranes. These cranes were meant to lift heavy equipment onto trucks and were suspended on rails som 30 feet from the warehouse floor.
When the state inherited the building they decided to lease the downstairs to the Arizona Magazine for printing and assembling that fine pictoral magazine. The area in the rafters where the aforementioned crane resided was useless to them... so along comes the genius.
They used the heavy beams meant to support the crane as the basis for hanging a plywood floor. On this hanging / suspended plywood floor they would put in "Office Space" and lease that to ADOT for their IT development group.
It gets better.
Yes, all the electrisity and data wiring came into the building and was drapped across the gap between the wall and the suspended floor.
Yes the floor moved noticably, although it was too big for a single person to shift it on their own. After all there were 10 cubicles, 2 offices and a conference room on the floor.
Yes they put up pseudo walls separating areas of the room.
Yes, it was a warehouse so the ceiling and walls were just corregated steel... Yes it was in Phoenix Arizona... a dessert.
They did provide air conditioning so it was warm, but not unreasonably.
Another nice feature of the buiding was that it was partially beneath the I-17 N to I-10 E ramp that was about 60 feet off the ground. Every once in a while you would hear the clunk of someone Super Big Gulp hitting the metal roof, or the lite tap of a cigarette butt. At one point an ADOT truck in the parking lot was crushed by a truck tire that came off and went over the railing. Another truck was damaged by a water tank that came off another vehicle.
The best part about the IT solution was that they also put the servers up there. We had a separate room where all the servers were. It had extra air conditioning blowing on it, but it was not a contained room, it was firly open with walls that went part way to the cieling and a gap between the floor and the print shop below.
So the server room was in a metal building with no insulation in the dessert on a plywood floor suspended above a print shop under a highway were large things occassionally rain down. I shudder to think what would happen during a power outage.
...and most of us secede from our parants at some point...
I think these kind of things happen with a bit less civility when we talk about governments and their constituents.
I used to live in Frankfurt as well.
The overall German grid is somewhat centrally hubbed from Hessen. Particularly around that Nuke Plant that no body aknowledges that exists just outside of Frankfurt.
I concure that the streets are often disrupted by being dug up, but I don't recall it taking as long go dig them up and get them fixed as my perception is here in the USA.
Germany achieves a higher degree of redundance. I expect this is afforded by the fact that the density of customers and junction points is smaller than in the USA and there are fewer utility companies in the mix. There once was a time not too long ago that the USA had many utilities per state. When you mix in so many different companies, the connection points suffer.
Germany has 1/3 the people of the USA crammed into a space 1/27th the space.
That might suggest that a single US utility consumer might be paying for a bit more infrastructure.
It is not the full 9x factor that the numbers imply since you can localize your sources, but it is a SIGNIFICANTLY larger distance that must be covered to convey the same service.
This is true of highways.
I find it absolutely amazing that our prices are even in the same ball park as those of Europe on goods and services that are impacted by population density. In most cases in the US it is cheaper even if you do not take government subsidies into consideration.
Ok, train travel is MUCH cheaper in Europe, but electricity, water, septic, garbage, postal, trucking, auto and air are all cheaper in the US.
As Glenn Beck would say:
"Get the duct tape, my head is about to explode!"
UGH!
You counted local taxes when tallying the US side of the equation, but not the European side and claimed to show a reasonable comparison!
When I lived in Frankfurt I pulled in about 110k. I paid almost 50% in income tax and paid 16% in sales tax (yes, I know it is VAT, I am still waiting for someone to explain the real difference to the end consumer)
I now live in Florida. I pull in 70k. I paid a whopping $800 in income tax last year (all combined). I have no state income tax. I live in a county with 6% sales tax. I only pay 1k in property tax.
I Germany, I had 1 kid and no property. In Florida, I have 3 kids, property. My health insurance is more expensive in the US than in Germany by about 20%, but I have MUCH better access to health care. The quality is about the same, but the availability is WAY better in the US.
You guys that think Europe is the better system for the productive individual are LOOPY! Europe flattens everything out. There are more poor than rich in Europe so the middle picks up the difference. In the US, we just let the poor languish and we let the rich trickle it down through their own concious (or gluttony in the case of most sports figures).
Ultimately I don't think one system is better than the other. For me personally, I have a higher standard of living in the US because I am in the middle class. If I was a starving artist like my little brother, Europe would be the way to go.
define work.
Making 300k or even 900k / year for the rest of your life may mean that you do not have to make the daily commute to the office. I am in agreement with you on that.
It does, however mean that he would have to use the TP himself.
I think it would be tough to have a full time maid, cook, chauffer, buttler and general assistant on a million a year.
It gets worse if you assume that inflation will diminish the buying power of that money. You cannot just live off the interest, you have to reinject some of it into the base to increase the yield to keep up with inflation.
I'm with you though. I will take the 10 mill and retire from my day job.