In the PC world, since they were able to choose which mouse came with their computer. I have thrown away a handful of 1-button Mac mice, but when I get a PC I just get the mouse I want in the first place.
To each their own. I've replaced every mouse that has come with my PCs with a Logitech Trackman Marble FX (the old PS2 version) I hate stock PC mice. and use them almost exclusively as doorstops.
I don't understand why people won't accept multiple buttons as an optional feature. It's flexibility: you don't have to use it, but someone might want to.
Some people do, those people simply buy new mice.
Why aren't you people complaining when Apple introduces a 17" iMac? After all, who needs a 17" iMac? Just get a 15" iMac and stick a 17" monitor in front of it!
Because iMacs can't have their monitors switched out, perhaps? But you knew that, you just threw that in in the hopes someone would bite. You win.
Funny you should mention a term Microsoft is credited with inventing.
What Apple's doing is not Astroturfing. Astroturfing is when fake grassroots organizations (get it? grassroots...fake grass...Astroturf...?) start coming out in favor of a company. These organizations are bankrolled by that company.
As has been noted here and several other places, many of the people in these testimonials are NOT on Apple's payroll. The DJ chick and the guy that used to work for Wired are two prime examples.
Why should we feed the poor? In a matter of a couple hundred years America managed to transform the wilderness into a land with enough food to feed it's people (and then some).
Nevermind the fact that it was done with an abundance of arrable land and at the expense of the people that were on that land first...
But why should we sell food for less than it costs to make? We should we give it away to free?
Because we're not using it to begin with and we're paying farmers not to sell it. Why? because we have too much food in the US. Now, this is changing, as we're losing farmland to urbanization and the population of the US is growing as well. But, at present, we make too much and then sit on it. Do you really think it's better to let the food rot in silos across the US than give it away?
These starving societies have been around for hundreds, or thousands of years longer than us and yet still find themselves starving?!
Some of these people live in places where the soil has been tapped out from too much harvesting, others in places where planting is nearly impossible. A bunch of people in the US find themselves starving as well. Poverty knows no specific culture.
"Sound like a troll?" If it ain't, it sure as hell should be. No, we shouldn't just let them die...
Why has noone mentioned building/upgrading Mac systems? If Mac's are so much better, why can't I buy parts from multiple vendors?
Uh, I dunno, because you don't know where to look, perhaps?
Why do I have to use parts only from Apple?
Maybe because you're unaware that the only truly proprietary pieces of Mac hardware left are the cases and the Mobos?
Unfortunately, there was a time that this was supposed to be possible: Jobs was approached with an offer from Intel to start producing parts for the Mac:
So Intel was going to make hard drives, video cards, sound cards and RAM for macs too? Sure...
He turned them down, deciding that people could only use his parts. How's that for a monopoly?
Again, you have no idea what you're talking about. I've got a PowerMac G4 sitting across from me with three Maxtor hard drives in it, A GeForce 4 Ti, a Soundblaster card and RAM from about three different vendors. How's that a monopoly?
I'd also like to mention something people always seem to forget: Bill Gates stole the windows idea from Apple, but Apple stole the idea from Xerox, who had developed a fully functioning GUI back in the 70's
And I'd like to mention something you seem to have forgotten in that lovely story. Apple licensed the GUI technology from PARC with their full blessing, as it was languishing unused somewhere. Gates and Co. Decided to come up with 'doze after they saw someone else could make it viable. See the difference?
Paul Van Dyk: a lot of his stuff is solid. Pick up a copy of Perspective...
Sasha: Pick up the Wip3out soundtrack, (or just the PS1 game, as all the tracks are on it as redbook cd audio tracks anyway. Anything before and up to Xpander is good, after that, he just sort of devolves into a sort of electronic parody of bad 70s disco.
Digweed: Pretty much the same as Sasha, get his earlier stuff, as his later stuff blows. Anything up to Heaven Scent is pretty good.
Ken Ishii: Jellytones is a damn master work.
Those guys are at the top of my list, but there's lots of others. MKL, Future Sound of London, Propellerheads, Apollo 440, Fatboy Slim, Carl Cox, Junior Vasquez, BT, Laurent Garnier... Those are just a few you should sample.
Lack of Hardware Support: I have 3 Macs, 7600/132, a 9600/300, and a PowerBook 1400c/166. OSX doesn't support these, or -ANY- pre G3 macs.
Period.
Wasn't meant to, but that still doesn't mean it can't be done./. even ran a piece on people running OSX on older Macs
To contrast this, for my low end pc's I have an IBM Thinkpad 760XD (p166mmx), an IBM PC330 (p133), and an IBM PC365 (PPro 180). While they'll never run WinXP, they ARE fully capable of running Win2000 (odd, don't you think?). The pc330 has 128MB of ram on it now and Win2000 runs just fine.
Actually, I don't find it odd at all that 2k runs on machines where XP won't. There's a whole lot more overhead on XP than there is on 2K.
Lack of software support - OSX has next to nothing in the way of native professional audio packages (they're coming though). You need to boot into OS9.x to get anything to run properly.
This still has little impact on the "home user" Chasing Amy was referring to. And as you said yourself, you could always boot into 9 if you wanted to until the OSX versions are ready.
That's why, despite my love for the look and feel of MacOS (I first got started on Macs), I could never buy an Apple machine. I like hooking up new bits of hardware, and being able to use almost all PC games, and being 100% interoperable with the hardware and software used by 85-90% of my fellow home computer users.
Oh please, this argument is so old and so bogus. Seriously, how many PC-only games have you really played that were worth playing and didn't end up on either the Mac or some console? The only one in my catalog (and basically, the only reason I even turn on my PC anymore) is Evercrack. In the future, all I see coming down the pipe is SWG. As for everything else, feh. If owning a Mac means I don't get to play Odium or Mortyr, then hey, I win.
And on your first point, really, how the hell much hardware are you really gonna plug into your machine? Unless you've got money coming out the proverbial wazoo, that routine's not gonna last long.
OS X is a fine OS. But it doesn't have the hardware and software support many, and perhaps most, want.
Provide examples of lack of hardware support. Hell, provide examples of lack of software support that most of these "home users" you supposedly speak for truly need.
IMHO Apple must keep innovating in both hardware and software to stay afloat. If they stop, then the rest of the industry catches up with cheap knock-offs and they drown. The analysts don't understand this.
They can't understand it and probably never will, they've all been through too many year of Windows product rollouts to know any better. Apple's OS model isn't based on the same principles as Microsoft. It's not about milking the customer, they've already done that with the hardware. =D (beat the trolls to the punch.) It's about providing the best experience they possibly can and continually striving to improve that experience.
I think That's the real reason most of us Mac users are such fanatics, we don't feel like total cash cows. (Or at least, I don't.)
Servers, as you unfortunately think, are not just designed for one thing in particular.
Never said they were. Apparently however, you attributed that to me anyway. I'm quite aware of what servers do. Did you read the article at all? It focused on only a two things, file serving and output generation/print serving, nowhere did it mention web serving, ATM, appserving or rendering. If you re-read my post, I used rendering as an example. So your point about other purposes is essentially saying the same thing I was.
Courtesy of Apple... coming in second to dead last, with lots of machines beating your ass is not "outperform". Talk about "THINK DIFFERENT"
Considering those machines "beating Apple's ass" are machines with double the processors or more, how is this thinking different? Or were you just trolling?
Methinks the latter...
Still, Starship Trooper's got a point. Most of the tasks the Xserve was put through are things Macs have traditionally done well. I'd like to see how they handle when faced with other hardcore server duties such as heavy duty rendering and the like.
3) Apple has close ties to Disney (mostly via Pixar), and Disney brings with it all sorts of baggage (MPAA and such).
This isn't too true anymore, as Pixar's getting out of its deal with Disney, ostensibly because Disney's a bunch of double-dealing bastards. And Mike "I am a human ass" Eisner's "Create a theft" speech pretty much says how the powers that be at The Other Evil Empire feel about Lil' Stevie...
I've always liked Mossberg's even keel when it came to Mac/'doze comparisons. If it works, he'll say so, if it doesn't he's not gonna sugarcoat it. Back before the return of Jobs, he faily accurately sized up the trouble with Apple and called them on it. He's shown the same attitude toward Microsoft.
No ass kissing, just what he thinks works. A refreshing change from yesterday's Dvorak drivel.
My sentiments exactly, I do have a cellphone, and I get the same kinds of calls. Now, I can look at the caller id and see if I want to answer it. If I don't answer, I can always say the phone was turned off, or I simply left it at home. A phone in my teeth pretty much invalidates either of those excuses. No thanks, I'll keep my option of not answering.
While I do find that ad campaign highly annoying, it's pretty cool to know that those guys are out there. Pretty much everywhere I've been in the US (and parts of Canada, I've rarely lost signal. (Paid a lot of roaming fees, but that's my fault for not having a national plan, I guess)
then again, they need to get a few of them off the road and into my office building, reception's awful in there.
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That's all well and good, but what do you do with
the heavy water that results from cooling a nuclear
reactor like the P4? =D
TPS, you old troll...
In the PC world, since they were able to choose which mouse came with their computer. I have thrown away a handful of 1-button Mac mice, but when I get a PC I just get the mouse I want in the first place.
To each their own. I've replaced every mouse that
has come with my PCs with a Logitech Trackman
Marble FX (the old PS2 version) I hate stock PC
mice. and use them almost exclusively as doorstops.
I don't understand why people won't accept multiple buttons as an optional feature. It's flexibility: you don't have to use it, but someone might want to.
Some people do, those people simply buy new mice.
Why aren't you people complaining when Apple introduces a 17" iMac? After all, who needs a 17" iMac? Just get a 15" iMac and stick a 17" monitor in front of it!
Because iMacs can't have their monitors switched
out, perhaps? But you knew that, you just threw
that in in the hopes someone would bite. You win.
Cheezus, and I thought it gave you motion sickness
on a regular TV.
I hope the theater has barf bags...
A more appropriate comparison of user's outraged over and upgrade was Win98 to Win98 SE.
Beg to differ, more like 2k to XP.
It's called Astroturf.
Funny you should mention a term Microsoft is credited
with inventing.
What Apple's doing is not Astroturfing.
Astroturfing is when fake grassroots organizations
(get it? grassroots...fake grass...Astroturf...?)
start coming out in favor of a company. These
organizations are bankrolled by that company.
As has been noted here and several other places,
many of the people in these testimonials are NOT
on Apple's payroll. The DJ chick and the guy that
used to work for Wired are two prime examples.
Why should we feed the poor? In a matter of a couple hundred years America managed to transform the wilderness into a land with enough food to feed it's people (and then some).
Nevermind the fact that it was done with an
abundance of arrable land and at the expense of
the people that were on that land first...
But why should we sell food for less than it costs to make? We should we give it away to free?
Because we're not using it to begin with and we're
paying farmers not to sell it. Why? because
we have too much food in the US. Now, this
is changing, as we're losing farmland to urbanization
and the population of the US is growing as well.
But, at present, we make too much and then sit on
it. Do you really think it's better to let the
food rot in silos across the US than give it away?
These starving societies have been around for hundreds, or thousands of years longer than us and yet still find themselves starving?!
Some of these people live in places where the soil
has been tapped out from too much harvesting,
others in places where planting is nearly impossible.
A bunch of people in the US find themselves starving
as well. Poverty knows no specific culture.
"Sound like a troll?" If it ain't, it sure as hell
should be. No, we shouldn't just let them die...
Why has noone mentioned building/upgrading Mac systems? If Mac's are so much better, why can't I buy parts from multiple vendors?
Uh, I dunno, because you don't know where to look, perhaps?
Why do I have to use parts only from Apple?
Maybe because you're unaware that the only truly
proprietary pieces of Mac hardware left are the
cases and the Mobos?
Unfortunately, there was a time that this was supposed to be possible: Jobs was approached with an offer from Intel to start producing parts for the Mac:
So Intel was going to make hard drives, video
cards, sound cards and RAM for macs too? Sure...
He turned them down, deciding that people could only use his parts. How's that for a monopoly?
Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.
I've got a PowerMac G4 sitting across from me with
three Maxtor hard drives in it, A GeForce 4 Ti, a
Soundblaster card and RAM from about three
different vendors. How's that a monopoly?
I'd also like to mention something people always seem to forget: Bill Gates stole the windows idea from Apple, but Apple stole the idea from Xerox, who had developed a fully functioning GUI back in the 70's
And I'd like to mention something you seem to have
forgotten in that lovely story. Apple licensed
the GUI technology from PARC with their full
blessing, as it was languishing unused somewhere.
Gates and Co. Decided to come up with 'doze after
they saw someone else could make it viable. See
the difference?
And I would be totally remiss to not mention Fluke.
Everone should own Risotto.
Paul Van Dyk: a lot of his stuff is solid. Pick up a
copy of Perspective...
Sasha: Pick up the Wip3out soundtrack, (or just the
PS1 game, as all the tracks are on it as redbook
cd audio tracks anyway. Anything before and up to
Xpander is good, after that, he just sort of
devolves into a sort of electronic parody of bad 70s
disco.
Digweed: Pretty much the same as Sasha, get his
earlier stuff, as his later stuff blows. Anything
up to Heaven Scent is pretty good.
Ken Ishii: Jellytones is a damn master work.
Those guys are at the top of my list, but there's
lots of others. MKL, Future Sound of London,
Propellerheads, Apollo 440, Fatboy Slim, Carl Cox,
Junior Vasquez, BT, Laurent Garnier... Those are
just a few you should sample.
Lack of Hardware Support: I have 3 Macs, 7600/132, a 9600/300, and a PowerBook 1400c/166. OSX doesn't support these, or -ANY- pre G3 macs.
/. even ran a piece on people
Period.
Wasn't meant to, but that still doesn't mean it
can't be done.
running OSX on older Macs
To contrast this, for my low end pc's I have an IBM Thinkpad 760XD (p166mmx), an IBM PC330 (p133), and an IBM PC365 (PPro 180). While they'll never run WinXP, they ARE fully capable of running Win2000 (odd, don't you think?). The pc330 has 128MB of ram on it now and Win2000 runs just fine.
Actually, I don't find it odd at all that 2k runs
on machines where XP won't. There's a whole lot
more overhead on XP than there is on 2K.
Lack of software support - OSX has next to nothing in the way of native professional audio packages (they're coming though). You need to boot into OS9.x to get anything to run properly.
This still has little impact on the "home user"
Chasing Amy was referring to. And as you said
yourself, you could always boot into 9 if you
wanted to until the OSX versions are ready.
That's why, despite my love for the look and feel of MacOS (I first got started on Macs), I could never buy an Apple machine. I like hooking up new bits of hardware, and being able to use almost all PC games, and being 100% interoperable with the hardware and software used by 85-90% of my fellow home computer users.
Oh please, this argument is so old and so bogus.
Seriously, how many PC-only games have you really
played that were worth playing and didn't
end up on either the Mac or some console? The only
one in my catalog (and basically, the only reason
I even turn on my PC anymore) is Evercrack. In the
future, all I see coming down the pipe is SWG. As
for everything else, feh. If owning a Mac means I
don't get to play Odium or Mortyr,
then hey, I win.
And on your first point, really, how the hell much
hardware are you really gonna plug into your
machine? Unless you've got money coming out the
proverbial wazoo, that routine's not gonna last
long.
OS X is a fine OS. But it doesn't have the hardware and software support many, and perhaps most, want.
Provide examples of lack of hardware support. Hell,
provide examples of lack of software support that
most of these "home users" you supposedly speak
for truly need.
Cheques are not only accepted but frequently preferred. Is it different in the USA?
Yeah, in the US it's a crime if you write a check
for groceries...or at least it should be... =D
Indeed. Even Robert De Niro couldn't say
"I don't like the sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating--not like you. You're soft and smooth."
and not look and sound like an idiot.
Well, he could if he capped a bunch of random people
right after and then put the moves on Jodie Fo...uh,
Natalie Portman...
My parent's house has a woodstove and paper junk mail was a good means of lowering heating costs.
Lets see spam do that.
Easy, print it out! =)
IMHO Apple must keep innovating in both hardware and software to stay afloat. If they stop, then the rest of the industry catches up with cheap knock-offs and they drown. The analysts don't understand this.
They can't understand it and probably never will,
they've all been through too many year of Windows
product rollouts to know any better. Apple's
OS model isn't based on the same principles as
Microsoft. It's not about milking the customer,
they've already done that with the hardware. =D
(beat the trolls to the punch.) It's about providing
the best experience they possibly can and continually
striving to improve that experience.
I think That's the real reason most of us Mac
users are such fanatics, we don't feel like total
cash cows. (Or at least, I don't.)
Servers, as you unfortunately think, are not just designed for one thing in particular.
Never said they were. Apparently however, you
attributed that to me anyway. I'm quite aware of
what servers do. Did you read the article at all?
It focused on only a two things, file serving and
output generation/print serving, nowhere did it
mention web serving, ATM, appserving or rendering.
If you re-read my post, I used rendering as an
example. So your point about other purposes is
essentially saying the same thing I was.
...So you're getting your PhD in trolling?
3d porn?
Kinda gives a new meaning to "First Person Shooter" too...
Well, not really, now that I think about it...
Courtesy of Apple... coming in second to dead last, with lots of machines beating your ass is not "outperform". Talk about "THINK DIFFERENT"
Considering those machines "beating Apple's ass" are
machines with double the processors or more, how is
this thinking different? Or were you just trolling?
Methinks the latter...
Still, Starship Trooper's got a point. Most of the
tasks the Xserve was put through are things Macs
have traditionally done well. I'd like to see how
they handle when faced with other hardcore server
duties such as heavy duty rendering and the like.
3) Apple has close ties to Disney (mostly via Pixar), and Disney brings with it all sorts of baggage (MPAA and such).
This isn't too true anymore, as Pixar's getting out
of its deal with Disney, ostensibly because Disney's
a bunch of double-dealing bastards. And Mike "I am
a human ass" Eisner's "Create a theft"
speech pretty much says how the powers that be at
The Other Evil Empire feel about Lil' Stevie...
Don't raise your eye
It's only teenage wasteland
I've always liked Mossberg's even keel when it came
to Mac/'doze comparisons. If it works, he'll say so,
if it doesn't he's not gonna sugarcoat it. Back before
the return of Jobs, he faily accurately sized up the
trouble with Apple and called them on it. He's shown
the same attitude toward Microsoft.
No ass kissing, just what he thinks works. A refreshing
change from yesterday's Dvorak drivel.
My sentiments exactly, I do have a cellphone, and I
get the same kinds of calls. Now, I can look at
the caller id and see if I want to answer it. If I
don't answer, I can always say the phone was turned
off, or I simply left it at home. A phone in my teeth
pretty much invalidates either of those excuses. No
thanks, I'll keep my option of not answering.
I'm not completely certain, but I think there was
some sort of embargo by Motorola on the release
of G4s above 500 mhz to the upgrade manufacturers.
Again, this is based more on heresay than anything
else, but hey, stranger things have happened in the
world of Motorola's chip business...
And obviously you've not done a lot of research
yourself. Microsoft quietly dumped that stock a
while back. Your point's pretty much moot.
Check this out before posting more
stuff on MS owning Apple...
While I do find that ad campaign highly annoying, it's
pretty cool to know that those guys are out there.
Pretty much everywhere I've been in the US (and parts
of Canada, I've rarely lost signal. (Paid a lot of
roaming fees, but that's my fault for not having a
national plan, I guess)
then again, they need to get a few of them off the
road and into my office building, reception's awful
in there.