If the situation is such that in order to prevent destruction of evidence of a criminal enterprise they need to take them all down, they can do so.
If it were later determined that they obtained the warrants based on information they knew was false (misconduct) or should have known was false (incompetence) there may be a case for a suit.
1> What most posters are bitching about never happened. The Feeb's didn't raid an entire data center. Core IP Networks doesn't own a data center. They colo with Telx. The Feebs didn't seize all of the servers in Telx's data center - they seized those under the control of Core IP Networks.
2> Core IP Networks smells fishy to me. I don't know of a single tech company, no matter how esoteric their product, nor narrow their market, that doesn't have some significant web presence. Core IP Networks doesn't have any noticeable web presence.
No - it doesn't - it requires that the scope of the search not be excessively broad, and that it be clear. You can get a warrant for a closet, or the whole house, depending on what you want to search and the nature of your evidence.
I claim no special knowledge of the mormon religion, but my impression is that a lot of the churches financial strength comes from a steady predictable income stream through tithes.
To a mormon, this would be just and right and all.
To those of us on the outside, its a system by which an institution profits by exploiting the superstitions of its members.
That doesn't have to be a bad thing.
My employer and I engage in mutually beneficial exploitation in voluntary willing cooperation.
My objection to exploitation by a religious organization in general is that it isn't really voluntary if the power is completely one sided.
Further, I resent that churches enjoy exemption from paying their fair share for services supported by the general tax base. I object to this preferential treatment for corporation as well.
The reason I don't bear a great deal of ill will toward the mormon church is that the few mormons with whom I have worked or lived have been fine individuals who demonstrated honesty and integrity in their dealings with me.
That doesn't mean that I endorse, or even respect, their religion.
But I'm willing to cut em a bit of slack.
And that is half the success formula of the mormon church.
I'm sure there are true and valid anecdotal horror stories, but these are overshadowed by the tangible positives that they do provide their members.
There is also the fact that you don't see cheesy mormon evangelists on television.
Nor do I recall any mormon religious leaders blaming the evils of the world on blasphemers like me.
They may well do all these things privately, and be actively plotting my demise. Or they may not.
In the meantime, its nice to know that in the event of a national disaster, at least I won't have to worry about the mormons looting my food stores.
And they have really neat semi rough hewn furniture at the local Deseret Thrift Store.
There are many contributors to hokum getting a pass - including imprecision in language.
The general public in it's linguistic laziness omits the required modifier that makes some discrimination unpalatable.
If I were black, I would take exception to my realtor discriminating between races and refusing to do business with some races on that basis.
On the other hand, I would prefer that my physician exercise appropriate racial discrimination and screen me for health risks for which I would be at a higher risk.
Discrimination is simply differentiating between X and Not X.
Hopefully, this is a skill we all have.
I'm hostile to religion in general as sloppy thinking that drags society down.
But I do discriminate between religions which are more overtly malevolent, like scientology, and those which are more benign (but certainly not blameless.)
There is also the question of governmental and institutional tolerance, and individual tolerance.
I personally am under no obligation to be respectful of anyone's superstitions.
My experience has been that *nix livecd based rescue disks aren't worth spit.
The reason given by Kaspersky for discontinuing their linux based rescue cd was that in order to effectively access and safely make changes to the windows data structures.
In essence, they had to engineer a mini windows. And given the nature of how av works, it stands to reason that the extent of the emulation have to be very exact for the package to be effective.
That's why they switched to a PE based rescue disk.
I use ubuntu as one tool against malware. I require those using usb sticks to bring them by my desk periodically. Insert/mount/visually delete any file in the root that shouldn't be there - move on.
I also have a desktop that runs Ubuntu with xp in a vm used only for certain specific apps.
The xp vm has no internet or lan access, other than imap and smtp to a specific address, and with the snapshot function, I can reroll the xp vm in a moment should I find that I missed a hole and something got in anyway.
I like Ubuntu, but it does have one notable negative effect - it's lowered the bar to linux entry to the point now where every tool that can double click wubi now thinks that makes them an expert, and that their opinion is well informed, when it really isn't.
That's not a condemnation of linux or the efforts to bring *nix to the masses - it's just the nature of the beast.
Nope. You don't grok even the 15 minute Invisible Hand lecture from HS.
You mistakenly assume that No Sale=Incorrect Pricing.
If that were true, and everything were priced correctly, I would own everything, since I would have bought it all at the correct price./. people who attempt to provide an intellectual basis for copyright violation piss me off.
I simply justify mine by the fact that risk is minimal.
Sure, I have philosophical differences with the RIAA, but even absent those I'd still be a thief if I was sure I could get away with it.
I'd strip you bare in a heartbeat if I wanted your stuff and could do so with no risk.
Tomato based sauces usually aren't a good match for human flesh.
Prepare it as you would pork.
There's a reason they call it Long Pork.
Although it reminds me of fried mushrooms.
Yes.
I've tasted cooked human flesh. I imagine a lot of us have, though it rarely comes up in conversation.
Once when I was in high school, I was screwing around in the electronics lab. When I vaulted over a bench and put my hand down on a hot high wattage soldering iron with my full body weight on it, I seared my thumb pretty bad - and reflexively stuck it in my mouth.
That's probably fine for a Mom & Pop - but for the smb with a couple hundred employees and multiple locations, QB Enterprise is about the only game in town.
Unfortunately, it's also windows only. Sure, it has a linux option, but that's only for serving the database. The application itself has to reside either on a windows terminal server, or on each individual client.
So, not only do you have to have a windows box, it has to be a significant investment in either a fairly high end box with an expensive nos, or multiple windows workstations.
Once you've invested in either, there's little motivation to migrate out of the wintel world.
What I loved about the time I was fired is that I knew it was coming and couldn't wait. It was a corrupt VP that orchestrated my firing, and no one but me and her knew the reasons behind it.
The department head calls me into a conference room and starts apologizing and justifying, all the while I have this big shit-eating grin. He's having a hard time getting his head around the fact that he's firing the tech that our dev team went to for answers.
Finally, they get around to escorting me from the building, so we do the Walk of Shame to my cubicle to pack up my effects.
I pulled a big cardboard box from under my desk. I'd been packed up for over a week.
When we hit the lobby and I was able to exit into the clean fresh air, I whooped and hollered in sheer exuberance.
The bimbo VP had the audacity to try to dispute my UI claim. The hearing was conducted via phone and took about 90 seconds - with the state reviewer cutting her off and telling her flat out that her challenge was obviously fabricated.
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Depends.
If the situation is such that in order to prevent destruction of evidence of a criminal enterprise they need to take them all down, they can do so.
If it were later determined that they obtained the warrants based on information they knew was false (misconduct) or should have known was false (incompetence) there may be a case for a suit.
But just being wrong?
Nope.
That's not cause.
Coupla points here:
1> What most posters are bitching about never happened. The Feeb's didn't raid an entire data center. Core IP Networks doesn't own a data center. They colo with Telx. The Feebs didn't seize all of the servers in Telx's data center - they seized those under the control of Core IP Networks.
2> Core IP Networks smells fishy to me. I don't know of a single tech company, no matter how esoteric their product, nor narrow their market, that doesn't have some significant web presence. Core IP Networks doesn't have any noticeable web presence.
Rubbish.
It was a data center - which typically houses a wide variety of types of servers.
SAN's are not appropriate for most servers.
No - it doesn't - it requires that the scope of the search not be excessively broad, and that it be clear. You can get a warrant for a closet, or the whole house, depending on what you want to search and the nature of your evidence.
bullshit.
It's possible that the warrant was overbroad - but that's not been demonstated.
There are a number of possible scenarios in which it would be crucial to a criminal trial to gather all possible evidence.
If this is a more or less legit data center, there is every possibility that the systems were compromised by a third party - ie: dey waz hax0r3d.
Additionally, hacking someone else's server for profit is clearly a criminal act, however much one wishes to poo poo possible ip infringment.
I claim no special knowledge of the mormon religion, but my impression is that a lot of the churches financial strength comes from a steady predictable income stream through tithes.
To a mormon, this would be just and right and all.
To those of us on the outside, its a system by which an institution profits by exploiting the superstitions of its members.
That doesn't have to be a bad thing.
My employer and I engage in mutually beneficial exploitation in voluntary willing cooperation.
My objection to exploitation by a religious organization in general is that it isn't really voluntary if the power is completely one sided.
Further, I resent that churches enjoy exemption from paying their fair share for services supported by the general tax base. I object to this preferential treatment for corporation as well.
The reason I don't bear a great deal of ill will toward the mormon church is that the few mormons with whom I have worked or lived have been fine individuals who demonstrated honesty and integrity in their dealings with me.
That doesn't mean that I endorse, or even respect, their religion.
But I'm willing to cut em a bit of slack.
And that is half the success formula of the mormon church.
I'm sure there are true and valid anecdotal horror stories, but these are overshadowed by the tangible positives that they do provide their members.
There is also the fact that you don't see cheesy mormon evangelists on television.
Nor do I recall any mormon religious leaders blaming the evils of the world on blasphemers like me.
They may well do all these things privately, and be actively plotting my demise. Or they may not.
In the meantime, its nice to know that in the event of a national disaster, at least I won't have to worry about the mormons looting my food stores.
And they have really neat semi rough hewn furniture at the local Deseret Thrift Store.
Absolutely!
If I've destroyed my chances of employment with a mind control organization, I've done myself a favor.
I feel ya.
There are many contributors to hokum getting a pass - including imprecision in language.
The general public in it's linguistic laziness omits the required modifier that makes some discrimination unpalatable.
If I were black, I would take exception to my realtor discriminating between races and refusing to do business with some races on that basis.
On the other hand, I would prefer that my physician exercise appropriate racial discrimination and screen me for health risks for which I would be at a higher risk.
Discrimination is simply differentiating between X and Not X.
Hopefully, this is a skill we all have.
I'm hostile to religion in general as sloppy thinking that drags society down.
But I do discriminate between religions which are more overtly malevolent, like scientology, and those which are more benign (but certainly not blameless.)
There is also the question of governmental and institutional tolerance, and individual tolerance.
I personally am under no obligation to be respectful of anyone's superstitions.
My experience has been that *nix livecd based rescue disks aren't worth spit.
The reason given by Kaspersky for discontinuing their linux based rescue cd was that in order to effectively access and safely make changes to the windows data structures.
In essence, they had to engineer a mini windows.
And given the nature of how av works, it stands to reason that the extent of the emulation have to be very exact for the package to be effective.
That's why they switched to a PE based rescue disk.
I use ubuntu as one tool against malware.
I require those using usb sticks to bring them by my desk periodically. Insert/mount/visually delete any file in the root that shouldn't be there - move on.
I also have a desktop that runs Ubuntu with xp in a vm used only for certain specific apps.
The xp vm has no internet or lan access, other than imap and smtp to a specific address, and with the snapshot function, I can reroll the xp vm in a moment should I find that I missed a hole and something got in anyway.
I like Ubuntu, but it does have one notable negative effect - it's lowered the bar to linux entry to the point now where every tool that can double click wubi now thinks that makes them an expert, and that their opinion is well informed, when it really isn't.
That's not a condemnation of linux or the efforts to bring *nix to the masses - it's just the nature of the beast.
Yeah - well you have the Welsh
Philippe Jose Farmer would be proud.
So he can get massive public response on an issue, then ignore it?
Non compete clauses are generally unenforceable.
There are high profile exceptions to that, but for most of us, it's safe to ignore them.
They tend to be extremely one sided, and rarely go to court for that reason.
I have too many Billy Jack flashbacks.
Billy Jack: I'm gonna take this right foot, and I'm gonna whop you on that side of your face...
Isn't there a bounty on Scotsmen?
Nope. You don't grok even the 15 minute Invisible Hand lecture from HS.
You mistakenly assume that No Sale=Incorrect Pricing.
If that were true, and everything were priced correctly, I would own everything, since I would have bought it all at the correct price. /. people who attempt to provide an intellectual basis for copyright violation piss me off.
I simply justify mine by the fact that risk is minimal.
Sure, I have philosophical differences with the RIAA, but even absent those I'd still be a thief if I was sure I could get away with it.
I'd strip you bare in a heartbeat if I wanted your stuff and could do so with no risk.
That's a pant load.
Of course we get to decide - everyone does.
The vendor gets to decide what they think the product is worth.
If we disagree, we don't buy.
Whether or not we then illegally download a copy is an entirely different matter.
DROVES of people have already made the determination that the Itunes prices are excessive and aren't buying.
In most cases, it's the drm and not the music/cost that people object to.
It's ok though. Itunes isn't the only, or remotely the best, place to purchase digital music.
What about the domain squatting allegations in their letter?
If you were doing those things, I would take their side rather than yours.
neener
Tomato based sauces usually aren't a good match for human flesh.
Prepare it as you would pork.
There's a reason they call it Long Pork.
Although it reminds me of fried mushrooms.
Yes.
I've tasted cooked human flesh.
I imagine a lot of us have, though it rarely comes up in conversation.
Once when I was in high school, I was screwing around in the electronics lab.
When I vaulted over a bench and put my hand down on a hot high wattage soldering iron with my full body weight on it, I seared my thumb pretty bad - and reflexively stuck it in my mouth.
The taste was mild but distinct.
That's probably fine for a Mom & Pop - but for the smb with a couple hundred employees and multiple locations, QB Enterprise is about the only game in town.
Unfortunately, it's also windows only.
Sure, it has a linux option, but that's only for serving the database. The application itself has to reside either on a windows terminal server, or on each individual client.
So, not only do you have to have a windows box, it has to be a significant investment in either a fairly high end box with an expensive nos, or multiple windows workstations.
Once you've invested in either, there's little motivation to migrate out of the wintel world.
I'll be stuck on XP for the foreseeable future.
Quickbooks Enterprise is what keeps me stuck there.
There are NO non-windows SMB accounting packages that are comparable.
My notebook dual boots Ubuntu and XP.
We have a few mac's too.
Once in a while, I find myself booting to linux or windows specifically for things each does better.
I've never found myself reaching for a mac as my tool of choice for a particular task.
So, no - I don't see Mac as a significant threat to the MS products.
Linux isn't currently a big threat either.
Either one *could* be - if and only if certain required functionalities became available.
Mail/groupware is another area which is lacking on both platforms.
Just make it a requirement that only married people can become astronauts.
That way the lack of sex will be normal and expected.
or, you could stop pulling numbers from your anus and go rtfa - then follow the links to the published papers. Or read this synopsis: http://www.ucalgary.ca/~keith/Misc/AC%20talk%20MIT%20Sept%202008.pdf
What I loved about the time I was fired is that I knew it was coming and couldn't wait.
It was a corrupt VP that orchestrated my firing, and no one but me and her knew the reasons behind it.
The department head calls me into a conference room and starts apologizing and justifying, all the while I have this big shit-eating grin. He's having a hard time getting his head around the fact that he's firing the tech that our dev team went to for answers.
Finally, they get around to escorting me from the building, so we do the Walk of Shame to my cubicle to pack up my effects.
I pulled a big cardboard box from under my desk.
I'd been packed up for over a week.
When we hit the lobby and I was able to exit into the clean fresh air, I whooped and hollered in sheer exuberance.
The bimbo VP had the audacity to try to dispute my UI claim.
The hearing was conducted via phone and took about 90 seconds - with the state reviewer cutting her off and telling her flat out that her challenge was obviously fabricated.