Not sure if he's thinking of ELO, Boston had a lot of UFOs on their album covers, too.
Not as much as Yes' [alien landscapes*, UFO songs]. Even The Carpenters made a UFO song. Those were the days.
(*) Appropriated by the producers of Avatar without credits for Roger Dean. But I digress.
And let's not forget Klaatu. They had UFO/Alien-themed songs across at tleast two of their hard-to-find albums.
"Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft" and "Anus from Uranus" (a HILARIOUS song, with lyrics that were recorded BACKWARDS with words phonetically-chose to sound like the words they wanted when played FORWARD). WAY cool!
That's because rather than regulating the charge current inside the phone like they're supposed to, they rely on the external charger being sufficiently wimpy to have a voltage sag.
Do you know that for a fact? I wouldn't think that it would be good design practice to do that.
They do, but Apple blames third-party chargers.
Nevermind that all they do is provide 5V over a USB port and it is up to the USB device to actually monitor the cells and cut off current when the target voltage is reached.
You would think so; but my iPhone's (third-party) Car Charger gets my phone HOT during charging, but the phone's Apple "cube" charger does not. So obviously, the charger itself IS part of the equation.
Or, more likely, they do, but since they're an American company no one bothers reporting on it and the consumer safety agency just ignores it. Multiple iPhone 7s have already spontaneously caught fire, yet for some reason, no one seems to care.
Multiples? I have heard of ONE, and that one was obviously damaged in shipment. The other story appears to be about two iPhone 6ses, and I don't know about the details.
So, CitationS (plural), please, for iPhone 7s.
And you must be new around here; because Apple can no more than adjust the color of the iPhone before there's a news story on Slashdot. So, I guarantee there is absolutely zero "non-reporting" of something like an iPhone going alight.
To be fair (as an Apple user, occasional fanboy, and not any of the ACs above) I do respect Samsung doing this. It's really the correct way to go about things - any other option would hurt their reputation far worse and cost them more long-term sales and good will.
Just a few days ago I thought Samsung were likely building up to a full "You're holding it wrong" tantrum after the replaced phones started catching on fire. Now I have to hold all my Android quips in.
Any other option would have left them sued out of existence and permanently banned from all airlines.
I heard about the touch disease. But not the phones exploding when using approved devices. There were some issues a while back where people got some third party chargers that they were plugging there phone straight into the AC socket.
As for the Touch Disease it is a problem but it isn't affecting people's safety.
And if you do any Googling, you will find similar touch/display issues on EVERY BRAND of phone and laptop at one time or another. It's a RoHS thing. Blame the EU for removing lead from solder.
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For small pocket devices WE HAVE EXCEEDED PEAK LI-ON BATTERY AREA and especially LENGTH. Samsung should retool the G7 to contain two or three smaller 'proven' Lion battery packages with separate charging circuits. It is possible that a manufacturing variance ultimately related to area is fooling the charge circuit and making these more susceptible to overcharge. There is also physical stress, another trigger. Batteries should not straddle the middle of the device where the most butt-pocket deformation will occur.
Hmm. Wonder why the iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6s, 6s Plus, SE, 7 and 7 Plus don't have these issues, even though they are just as thin (implying just as "butt-bendy") and, as this picture clearly shows, don't "segment" their batteries. Oh, I know: They don't try to charge their battery to 2X recommended temperature just to claim a "Fast Charge": with a huge battery, in an attempt to compensate for their power-hog design.
Problems and solutions associated with removing lead are well studied and widely implemented.
Yes, and every single one of them is INFERIOR in one or more ways to Lead.
Look, I get it for water pipes. Making plumbing solder Lead-Free was generally a Good Thing. But for electronics, a "reclamation" system would have been a far better solution than making every single solder joint since around 2006 suck serious ass.
And if you think this is an "Apple" or "Contract Manufacturer" problem, it is FAR from that simple. There's real metallurgy going on in eutectic soldering, and some of that "black magic" is not easily substituted or "worked-around".
Maybe someone with some in-depth knowledge of the physics of soldering could chime in and either tell me why I'm wrong, or why I'm right...
Oh, and you say that "Consumers don't care about excuses, they care about results", you are exactly right. And the ONLY reason that Apple is getting sued and not Samsung, LG and HTC, that ALSO have these problems, is because they are a very lucrative,. and visible target.
As I said, when the ENTIRE Aerospace industry says "Nyet" to RoHS (and particularly to lead-free soldering), that oughta be a clue.
You are so correct, I am so happy apple pioneered the use of a excellent built in stylus and wireless charging.
They had a stylus with the Newton; so, yes, yes they did pioneer the stylus.
But actually NOT, I am informed by the interwebs that the first use of a Stylus was in 1957 with a device called, appropriately enough, "The Styalator". But it is interesting to note that, in the History of "Pen Computing" (which actually somewhat dates back to the 1880s!!!), Samsung is mentioned NOWHERE (but the Newton, ahem, IS)...
As for wireless charging, actually I "pioneered" it (but for laptops) almost 7 or 8 years before ANYONE else did it; but stupidly didn't act on it.
Apple continues to sell its iPhone 6 with touch-illness, without acknowledging it at all. Why do Samsung get so much flak and shit, when they are doing everything they can to fix this? If you want someone to call the worst and dishonest of the phone manufacturers, look to Apple instead.
1. This iPhone 6 isn't for sale anymore. You're thinking of the 6s. Do try to keep up, Hater.
2. The issue with the display controllers is a damned PRODUCTION issue, not a DESIGN flaw.
If you want someone to blame, blame the fucking EU with their damned RoHS directives. If electronic solder still had LEAD in it, like God intended, we wouldn't have BGA parts breaking-free from their PCBs at the slightest provocation. Metallurgy has developed over centuries, but with a stroke of a pen, the chemists were sent back to the drawing board to find a substitute for that which has no substitute.
There's a reason the Aerospace industry is EXEMPT from RoHs. They need their shit to WORK, regardless if it gets jiggled around, subjected to temperature changes, flexed a little, installed on a slightly warped PCB, etc.
And before you say "But no one else has this problem", do a little Googling. You'll find LOTS of similar problems with HTC, LG, Samsung, etc. It's a RoHS thing; but none of those other phones (unless they catch on fire a lot) make for Clickbait on Slashdot like the iPhone does. But the stories are there. But do your own research, Hater.
I am deriving lots of schadenfreude from this fracas. I just hope that Samsung, a rather despicable company, with their heavy-handedness, built-in obsolescence, arrogance, and useless customer service, will not recover from this.
Not to mention that they wouldn't even have a viable Smartphone business at this point if they hadn't copied the original iPhone (and in fact, every other iPhone thereafter) down to nearly the last pixel.
Apple is a company who only builds overpriced shit
Overpriced yes, shit no.
Considering the GN7 costs MORE than an equivalent memory iPhone 7 (and even 7 Plus!), I don't know where you're getting your "overpriced" meme, Jackson!
It is when you try to charge it in the same time that Apple charges the iPhone's 2000 mAh battery. My iPhone 6 Plus charges from 0 to 100% in 2 hours (maybe even less), and barely gets warm to the touch (I'd say about 40-42 deg. C outside case temp as a guess, based on skin temp).
And keep in mind that, according to Ars Technica's testing, the iPhone 7 with nearly 1/2 the battery size, gets about 96% of the battery-life under similar conditions as the GN7, (and the 7 plus gets better life than the GN7).
So that means that the GN7 uses almost twice the battery power at a given task than the iPhone 7, which no amount of software optimization will make up.
Sorry, the S7 line is a power-hungry pig of a design, and as Samsung has now discovered, this does not mean you can just "throw battery" at it; because "charge times matter".
When you rapid charge batteries it can do funny things to the chemistry, and plus you are expecting rapid temperature rise and high current flow that would be the normal danger signs when there is a battery fault like a short. I think it's likely that their batteries are the same quality as ever, it's just that they can't detect when they are about to explode any more because the conditions are too similar to a normal rapid charging session.
There you go!
As I have said repeatedly, their marketing droids said "What?!? We can't have a FOUR HOUR charge time when the iPhone charges in TWO HOURS! I don't care if the battery is twice the size. Make it happen!!!"
And so they went back to the battery data, and redesigned the charging profiles so that they used the "Maximum Limit" on temperature as the "Spec" instead of the "Recommended Limit".
Exploding batteries on the Galaxy Note 7 are a fictional problem made up by Apple fanbois. This problem doesn't exist at all, no matter how much you wish it did.
Of course. Apple fanbois caused TWO Samsung recalls AND a PRODUCTION HALT.
It's my real USERNAME. In fact, I have only posted as AC a few times (like less than 5) (and that because I was too lazy to login) since I have been a Slashdot User starting in 2003 or '04. I have NEVER used AC as a way to avoid Karmic "punishment", and I have the Karma scars to prove it!
If you're narrowly going to sell apps the traditional way, yes, iOS works great for that. But not on Android where users prefer you sell their information and give away the app.
Interesting that Android users are SO accustomed to being "Raped and Pillaged" (YOUR words!), that they don't give it a second thought; while on iOS, Apple just CLOSED-DOWN the "iAd" targeted-ads program a couple of months ago, because it was a dismal failure.
To be sure, there are PLENTY of "In-App Purchases" and "Freemium" Apps on iOS (and I just read that Apple itself is predicting that, and "subscriptions" as the next major growth area in terms of iOS App-revenue); but I am also QUITE sure that nearly all iOS users would be APPALLED if their User Info was being sold/used in that fashion.
Yes, at this point I think there's something else wrong with the tablet. Replacing the battery let me get my son's game data backed up. He's on the autism spectrum and playing video games is one of his coping mechanisms. When he first faced the prospect of losing all of his game data, he melted down badly. Now, I'm looking into the possibility of replacing his tablet with a Chromebook since I heard that some of them can run Android apps. This way, he can still have his Android-based games, but also use the Chromebook for schoolwork.
I'm sorry, both about your Son's unfortunate condition, but moreso that I cannot help you with recommendations regarding using a Chromebook for your dual-purpose use.
But, considering how poorly, generally, many of those with ASD deal with "change" and "frustration-tolerance", I would do MUCH research before dropping cash on that. Android Apps on ChromeBooks is a VERY new thing, and I believe that the emphasis was on "Some" Apps. So, Caveat Emptor, and GOOD LUCK!
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Not sure if he's thinking of ELO, Boston had a lot of UFOs on their album covers, too.
Not as much as Yes' [alien landscapes*, UFO songs]. Even The Carpenters made a UFO song. Those were the days.
(*) Appropriated by the producers of Avatar without credits for Roger Dean. But I digress.
And let's not forget Klaatu. They had UFO/Alien-themed songs across at tleast two of their hard-to-find albums.
"Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft" and "Anus from Uranus" (a HILARIOUS song, with lyrics that were recorded BACKWARDS with words phonetically-chose to sound like the words they wanted when played FORWARD). WAY cool!
That's because rather than regulating the charge current inside the phone like they're supposed to, they rely on the external charger being sufficiently wimpy to have a voltage sag.
Do you know that for a fact? I wouldn't think that it would be good design practice to do that.
They do, but Apple blames third-party chargers. Nevermind that all they do is provide 5V over a USB port and it is up to the USB device to actually monitor the cells and cut off current when the target voltage is reached.
You would think so; but my iPhone's (third-party) Car Charger gets my phone HOT during charging, but the phone's Apple "cube" charger does not. So obviously, the charger itself IS part of the equation.
Or, more likely, they do, but since they're an American company no one bothers reporting on it and the consumer safety agency just ignores it. Multiple iPhone 7s have already spontaneously caught fire, yet for some reason, no one seems to care.
Multiples? I have heard of ONE, and that one was obviously damaged in shipment. The other story appears to be about two iPhone 6ses, and I don't know about the details.
So, CitationS (plural), please, for iPhone 7s.
And you must be new around here; because Apple can no more than adjust the color of the iPhone before there's a news story on Slashdot. So, I guarantee there is absolutely zero "non-reporting" of something like an iPhone going alight.
To be fair (as an Apple user, occasional fanboy, and not any of the ACs above) I do respect Samsung doing this. It's really the correct way to go about things - any other option would hurt their reputation far worse and cost them more long-term sales and good will.
Just a few days ago I thought Samsung were likely building up to a full "You're holding it wrong" tantrum after the replaced phones started catching on fire. Now I have to hold all my Android quips in.
Any other option would have left them sued out of existence and permanently banned from all airlines.
Cite? I have yet to see one solid article on the nature of these failures. If it is a bad USB cable then why did Samsung do a recall on the device?
It isn't the USB cable. That is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.
I heard about the touch disease. But not the phones exploding when using approved devices. There were some issues a while back where people got some third party chargers that they were plugging there phone straight into the AC socket. As for the Touch Disease it is a problem but it isn't affecting people's safety.
And if you do any Googling, you will find similar touch/display issues on EVERY BRAND of phone and laptop at one time or another. It's a RoHS thing. Blame the EU for removing lead from solder.
Editor's note: Submitters and editors should note that it is best to open a private browsing window and manually remove session ID gobblegook from URL to test a link. Greetz BugMeNot, works sometimes.
For small pocket devices WE HAVE EXCEEDED PEAK LI-ON BATTERY AREA and especially LENGTH. Samsung should retool the G7 to contain two or three smaller 'proven' Lion battery packages with separate charging circuits. It is possible that a manufacturing variance ultimately related to area is fooling the charge circuit and making these more susceptible to overcharge. There is also physical stress, another trigger. Batteries should not straddle the middle of the device where the most butt-pocket deformation will occur.
Hmm. Wonder why the iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6s, 6s Plus, SE, 7 and 7 Plus don't have these issues, even though they are just as thin (implying just as "butt-bendy") and, as this picture clearly shows, don't "segment" their batteries. Oh, I know: They don't try to charge their battery to 2X recommended temperature just to claim a "Fast Charge": with a huge battery, in an attempt to compensate for their power-hog design.
Also, turn off your S7 if it's smoking, unless the smoking light is on or you're in the West.
In the event of a plane crash, you can use your S7 to light a signal flare.
No need. In the event of a crash, the S7 will BE the signal flare!
At least we know the HCF instruction is fully implemented.
LOL!
Problems and solutions associated with removing lead are well studied and widely implemented.
Yes, and every single one of them is INFERIOR in one or more ways to Lead.
Look, I get it for water pipes. Making plumbing solder Lead-Free was generally a Good Thing. But for electronics, a "reclamation" system would have been a far better solution than making every single solder joint since around 2006 suck serious ass.
And if you think this is an "Apple" or "Contract Manufacturer" problem, it is FAR from that simple. There's real metallurgy going on in eutectic soldering, and some of that "black magic" is not easily substituted or "worked-around".
Maybe someone with some in-depth knowledge of the physics of soldering could chime in and either tell me why I'm wrong, or why I'm right...
Oh, and you say that "Consumers don't care about excuses, they care about results", you are exactly right. And the ONLY reason that Apple is getting sued and not Samsung, LG and HTC, that ALSO have these problems, is because they are a very lucrative,. and visible target. As I said, when the ENTIRE Aerospace industry says "Nyet" to RoHS (and particularly to lead-free soldering), that oughta be a clue.
You are so correct, I am so happy apple pioneered the use of a excellent built in stylus and wireless charging.
They had a stylus with the Newton; so, yes, yes they did pioneer the stylus.
But actually NOT, I am informed by the interwebs that the first use of a Stylus was in 1957 with a device called, appropriately enough, "The Styalator". But it is interesting to note that, in the History of "Pen Computing" (which actually somewhat dates back to the 1880s!!!), Samsung is mentioned NOWHERE (but the Newton, ahem, IS)...
As for wireless charging, actually I "pioneered" it (but for laptops) almost 7 or 8 years before ANYONE else did it; but stupidly didn't act on it.
But, as you can see here, Samsung didn't invent Wireless charging, either (not by a LONG shot!); so, what's your point?
No, grow a thicker skin fanboi.
What does my dermal thickness have to do with your lack of language skills?
I just love the way ACs can dish it out all day long, but can't take even one little negative observation of themselves.
Apple continues to sell its iPhone 6 with touch-illness, without acknowledging it at all. Why do Samsung get so much flak and shit, when they are doing everything they can to fix this? If you want someone to call the worst and dishonest of the phone manufacturers, look to Apple instead.
1. This iPhone 6 isn't for sale anymore. You're thinking of the 6s. Do try to keep up, Hater.
2. The issue with the display controllers is a damned PRODUCTION issue, not a DESIGN flaw.
If you want someone to blame, blame the fucking EU with their damned RoHS directives. If electronic solder still had LEAD in it, like God intended, we wouldn't have BGA parts breaking-free from their PCBs at the slightest provocation. Metallurgy has developed over centuries, but with a stroke of a pen, the chemists were sent back to the drawing board to find a substitute for that which has no substitute.
There's a reason the Aerospace industry is EXEMPT from RoHs. They need their shit to WORK, regardless if it gets jiggled around, subjected to temperature changes, flexed a little, installed on a slightly warped PCB, etc.
And before you say "But no one else has this problem", do a little Googling. You'll find LOTS of similar problems with HTC, LG, Samsung, etc. It's a RoHS thing; but none of those other phones (unless they catch on fire a lot) make for Clickbait on Slashdot like the iPhone does. But the stories are there. But do your own research, Hater.
I am deriving lots of schadenfreude from this fracas. I just hope that Samsung, a rather despicable company, with their heavy-handedness, built-in obsolescence, arrogance, and useless customer service, will not recover from this.
Not to mention that they wouldn't even have a viable Smartphone business at this point if they hadn't copied the original iPhone (and in fact, every other iPhone thereafter) down to nearly the last pixel.
Your a fucking idiot
Ya know, calling another an "idiot" is ever-so-much more effective if you actually know how to use your/you're correctly.
Idiot.
Can we PLEASE just ban ACs now? Pretty please?!?
Apple is a company who only builds overpriced shit
Overpriced yes, shit no.
Considering the GN7 costs MORE than an equivalent memory iPhone 7 (and even 7 Plus!), I don't know where you're getting your "overpriced" meme, Jackson!
3500 mAh is a problem.
It is when you try to charge it in the same time that Apple charges the iPhone's 2000 mAh battery. My iPhone 6 Plus charges from 0 to 100% in 2 hours (maybe even less), and barely gets warm to the touch (I'd say about 40-42 deg. C outside case temp as a guess, based on skin temp).
And keep in mind that, according to Ars Technica's testing, the iPhone 7 with nearly 1/2 the battery size, gets about 96% of the battery-life under similar conditions as the GN7, (and the 7 plus gets better life than the GN7).
So that means that the GN7 uses almost twice the battery power at a given task than the iPhone 7, which no amount of software optimization will make up.
Sorry, the S7 line is a power-hungry pig of a design, and as Samsung has now discovered, this does not mean you can just "throw battery" at it; because "charge times matter".
and since it didn't manifest in Samsung's testing, they hoped it was purely a problem with the other batteries.
FTFY
When you rapid charge batteries it can do funny things to the chemistry, and plus you are expecting rapid temperature rise and high current flow that would be the normal danger signs when there is a battery fault like a short. I think it's likely that their batteries are the same quality as ever, it's just that they can't detect when they are about to explode any more because the conditions are too similar to a normal rapid charging session.
There you go!
As I have said repeatedly, their marketing droids said "What?!? We can't have a FOUR HOUR charge time when the iPhone charges in TWO HOURS! I don't care if the battery is twice the size. Make it happen!!!"
And so they went back to the battery data, and redesigned the charging profiles so that they used the "Maximum Limit" on temperature as the "Spec" instead of the "Recommended Limit".
And now, Witness the result.
Uh huh. And we didn't land on the moon either. Conspiracies, man! When will people wake up and realize their "facts" are lies, amirite?
There's a Seeker born every minute!
Exploding batteries on the Galaxy Note 7 are a fictional problem made up by Apple fanbois. This problem doesn't exist at all, no matter how much you wish it did.
Of course. Apple fanbois caused TWO Samsung recalls AND a PRODUCTION HALT.
Right.
Hello macs4all, if that is indeed your real name.
It's my real USERNAME. In fact, I have only posted as AC a few times (like less than 5) (and that because I was too lazy to login) since I have been a Slashdot User starting in 2003 or '04. I have NEVER used AC as a way to avoid Karmic "punishment", and I have the Karma scars to prove it!
If you're narrowly going to sell apps the traditional way, yes, iOS works great for that. But not on Android where users prefer you sell their information and give away the app.
Interesting that Android users are SO accustomed to being "Raped and Pillaged" (YOUR words!), that they don't give it a second thought; while on iOS, Apple just CLOSED-DOWN the "iAd" targeted-ads program a couple of months ago, because it was a dismal failure.
To be sure, there are PLENTY of "In-App Purchases" and "Freemium" Apps on iOS (and I just read that Apple itself is predicting that, and "subscriptions" as the next major growth area in terms of iOS App-revenue); but I am also QUITE sure that nearly all iOS users would be APPALLED if their User Info was being sold/used in that fashion.
Yes, at this point I think there's something else wrong with the tablet. Replacing the battery let me get my son's game data backed up. He's on the autism spectrum and playing video games is one of his coping mechanisms. When he first faced the prospect of losing all of his game data, he melted down badly. Now, I'm looking into the possibility of replacing his tablet with a Chromebook since I heard that some of them can run Android apps. This way, he can still have his Android-based games, but also use the Chromebook for schoolwork.
I'm sorry, both about your Son's unfortunate condition, but moreso that I cannot help you with recommendations regarding using a Chromebook for your dual-purpose use.
But, considering how poorly, generally, many of those with ASD deal with "change" and "frustration-tolerance", I would do MUCH research before dropping cash on that. Android Apps on ChromeBooks is a VERY new thing, and I believe that the emphasis was on "Some" Apps. So, Caveat Emptor, and GOOD LUCK!