I am not quite getting how/what it is that they managed to screw up so their batteries keep catching fire. How did this make it through Q/A the first time, and how is it that the so-called replacements are still having issues.
Marketing Department "Shorter Battery Charge Times!", trumping the QA Department "This is dangerous".
I read somewhere (sorry I forget where) that the problem may be that the Samsung phones have a 3500mWH (or something like that) battery which is significantly larger than the iPhones which (I think) are less than 2000. Are the batteries the same physical size? That, and I heard that they charge in roughly the same amount of time.
So does that mean that they are pumping in almost twice as much current? Is it possible to damage the battery that way? Can a battery store more energy by just overloading it?
Maybe Samsung can fix this problem by changing the software(?) in the phones so that they charge slower. Am I missing something? (Or a lot of things, I'm not a battery expert).
Yes!
And I pointed this EXACT THING out a few days ago right here on Slashdot, when this story about the Southwest Airlines fire first broke.
By the way, Samsung HAS apparently already made it possible to defeat "Fast Charge mode"; so they KNOW what the problem is; they just don't want to admit that it takes TWICE as long to charge an S7 than it does an iPhone 6 or 7, for an advantage of only (maybe) 6% better battery-life, because the S7 is simply a POS battery-hog of a design.
With thin enough phones, having them in your pocket *could* bend them. I know lots of people that keep their phones in their back pockets then sit down on them. With tight enough pants, even having the phone in your front pocket could bend it. It wouldn't even really take much to bend the exterior, after all they are typically aluminum and thinner than your average spoon.
Yet, even during the "Bendgate" days of the iPhone 6; there weren't any reports of battery fires from "bent" phones.
As a user, I'd prefer replaceable battery. It's not a phone, but my older son has a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 tablet. After a year and a half, it began having battery issues. It wouldn't charge at all - showing a charging screen but recycling as if we kept pulling the plug and plugging it back in. We tested other cords and it didn't work. I finally bought a battery online and paid someone to open the case (after I failed to be able to) and replace the battery. This fixed it for about 8 months, but his tablet started this up again. Still, replacing the battery should be as easy as buying a replacement online, popping the case open, putting the new battery in, and snapping the case back on.
If you had two battery failures that quickly, there is something wrong with the charging-circuit. My iPad 2. which is almost 5 years old, is still on its original battery, still gets about the same battery life as it did when new, and gets used HEAVILY each and every day.
Samsung needs to stop baking their batteries to death with each charge cycle.
I understand how sensitive authorities will be to any battery issue on the Note 7 post-recall, but nearly every Li-Ion phone model has had these kinds of thermal runaway events, including the iPhone. It's premature to start talking about a second recall before the investigation on the Southwest Airlines event has even started in earnest.
To be sure, nearly everything with a Li-ion/Li-Po battery has had one instance of catastrophic battery failure; but is the close-clustering of battery events in one make and model that, like the same thing with the cheap hoverboards, has the authoriTIES (Cartman voice) (understandably) all up in arms.
I've made about $8.8 million USD off of my Android-only game over the last 5 years.
You're a moron.
Not a moron; but from what I have read here and other places, Android users really don't like paying for Apps. So if you're one of the "lucky" ones (not disparaging your talent!), then I honestly say "Good for You! Rock It!!!"
Good luck making any appreciable money on any other mobile platform.
Good luck making any appreciable money on the iOS mobile platform.
I assume you haven't watched any of the WWDC Keynotes. I think the 2016 one mentioned over 50 BILLION DOLLARS (!!!) so far paid to Developers from App Store "Royalties".
So SOMEBODY is making some money. And it's only your own damn fault if that's not you.
Yet no one in their right mind would dream of calling those "Not a Standard". So, since Apple will allow ANYONE who meets their criteria and pays their License Fee to design and sell Lightning-compatible products, claim MFi-Compliance, and be "guaranteed to work" with other Lightning-equipped products, how is that NOT a Standard?
Because nobody else can use it in their devices, you can only use it to make accessories for Apple products.
Prove it.
So why doesn't Apple just Open Source Lightning?
Because they can extract license fees from it and this would allow for companies to make accessories that easily work for both iDevices and non-iDevices. It's in their interest as a for-profit company to do exactly this.
Nice selective editing. You disingenuously left off the part where I noted that Apple doesn't seem to be interested in going after manufacturers nor vendors of "bootleg" non-MFi Lightning products.
But the same thing could be said of the abovementioned examples of "Standards" that are still "Licensed"; some after decades of widespread use.
No, it couldn't. Because anybody can make a DVD and a DVD drive and all they need to do is pay the license fees, you cannot do the same with lightning. HTC can't just come along and make a phone with a lightning port.
Prove it.
Apple licensed FireWire, too, yet there were FireWire ports on everything from competitors' computers to cameras to audio interfaces to mixing consoles to who-knows-what. And your assertion flies in the face of your reasoning that Apple wants to enrich themselves with Licensing fees. If that were the case, why WOULDN'T they want to extract a License for a Lightning interface on anything and everything, and ESPECIALLY on competitors' products like phones and laptops?!?
As an independent the Apple eco system is a minefield.
You can't base a business on an environment that is so perniciously hostile.
If they don't like what you're doing it's off with their head, if they really like what you're doing they just might steal it.
You also get to pay through the nose for the privilege of being treated like crap.
I knew to avoid them.
Good luck making any appreciable money on any other mobile platform.
LOL, I see if the discussion evolves into something you don't agree with there can be no point in further communication.
No, you didn't "evolve" anything; rather, you simply kept moving and expanding your list of "grievances" (and then blaming it on me), to the point that it was obvious that, if I addressed every single one of them, you would simply respond with "Yeah, but what about..." until we had exhausted every single thing you didn't like about Apple. Life's too short for that.
So, if you want to characterize my refusal to play your little game as "taking my toys and stomping off to my room", then so be it. I have played that particular game far too many times on this forum, with players far better than you.
Most of the people that criticise Apple have never actually owned any Apple products and so haven't a clue about their qualities.
As to Jobs, I believe it's exactly the same people that give Elon Musk a hard time too. There's something about a commercially successful visionary that really annoys them.
Sure Steve Jobs personally was an perfectionist to the point of being an asshole. But then so is Linus Torvalds, but most here give him a pass. Whilst it's an ugly characteristic, in both cases it may be a key ingredient of their success.
That's why I like to make it a point to watch "The Life of Brian" on Christmas. Helps keep me grounded in some sort of reality, and it is no more fictional than the Bible...
No way to post nor reply to someone else's Journal. Sigh.
So, until one of use lowers security enough to make our email addy viewable, there will be no PMing. And since I am a Luddite who doesn't believe in Social(ist) Media like FB, LinkedIn Google+, etc., I am at a loss as to how to proceed...
Not really convinced this is a "serious" platform for home automation - turning on Hue lights or playing music via voice command is hipster cool, but where is the deep support for real physical infrastructure:
- X10 and Zwave lighting
- Thermostats of all varieties, including the dumb kind
- Infrared, with support for both regular home theatre gear AND wall mounted air conditioners.
- Curtain / blind controllers and aircon zone controllers
- Relay contact outputs
- Energy monitoring and trending
Then, what about all of the rules that make Home Automation automated?
Well, I just did a Google search on "HomeKit and X10" and came up with this interesting article about a thing called "HomeBridge", which might answer the need for protocol "plugins".
I find it interesting that someone found it necessary to mod the parent Flamebait, considering that it's written by Apple cheerleader/apologist-in-chief on/. It's actually an interesting anecdote, and shows, if taken on its own merit, that our friend macs4all does have some capacity for objective judgment. Kudos to you, sir, and try to apply that objectivity to discussions of Apple's products; you'd come across as less of a foaming-at-the-mouth fanboy.
Thanks for the props, man! You seem to have alerted some mods to change that "Flamebait" to "+4 Interesting"!!! (watch now as the Haters mod it back...)
But as you can see from that Anecdote, I have been an Apple-follower and I would guess, fan (not "fanboi" as some assert), for quite a long time (actually, since 1976); and so have a different (I would say "deeper") perspective on what Apple is, and isn't, and what their underlying motives are likely to be. I don't know how to phrase that to sound less conceited; but that is the truth.
I would guess that most of the over-the-top attacks come from folks that simply don't have that depth of experience with Apple and its products, so I shouldn't let their words bother me; but I am human, so they do.
So, I guess some of my explanations come off sounding like "excuses", and after hours of reading post-after-post ascribing the most unbelievably vile and despicable motivations for literally anything Apple does (for example, the Slashdotters that actually found fault in Tim Cook's recent comments on Encryption, and in this Remembrance of Jobs), and after being "punish-modded" THREE separate times from "Excellent" to "Poor" Karma over the course of 24 hours by those same "judges", most of whom haven't gotten the message that "-1 Disagree" is not really supposed to be a thing, I do tend to get somewhat "strident" (i.e. "foaming at the mouth") in my rebuttal at times.
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I am not quite getting how/what it is that they managed to screw up so their batteries keep catching fire. How did this make it through Q/A the first time, and how is it that the so-called replacements are still having issues.
Marketing Department "Shorter Battery Charge Times!", trumping the QA Department "This is dangerous".
I read somewhere (sorry I forget where) that the problem may be that the Samsung phones have a 3500mWH (or something like that) battery which is significantly larger than the iPhones which (I think) are less than 2000. Are the batteries the same physical size? That, and I heard that they charge in roughly the same amount of time.
So does that mean that they are pumping in almost twice as much current? Is it possible to damage the battery that way? Can a battery store more energy by just overloading it?
Maybe Samsung can fix this problem by changing the software(?) in the phones so that they charge slower. Am I missing something? (Or a lot of things, I'm not a battery expert).
Yes!
And I pointed this EXACT THING out a few days ago right here on Slashdot, when this story about the Southwest Airlines fire first broke.
By the way, Samsung HAS apparently already made it possible to defeat "Fast Charge mode"; so they KNOW what the problem is; they just don't want to admit that it takes TWICE as long to charge an S7 than it does an iPhone 6 or 7, for an advantage of only (maybe) 6% better battery-life, because the S7 is simply a POS battery-hog of a design.
With thin enough phones, having them in your pocket *could* bend them. I know lots of people that keep their phones in their back pockets then sit down on them. With tight enough pants, even having the phone in your front pocket could bend it. It wouldn't even really take much to bend the exterior, after all they are typically aluminum and thinner than your average spoon.
Yet, even during the "Bendgate" days of the iPhone 6; there weren't any reports of battery fires from "bent" phones.
From what I heard the Note 7 had a failure rate of about 1/1000...
That's statistically REALLY high, actually. Think of how many GN7s there are! Didn't they say something like 2 MEELION phones were being recalled???
As a user, I'd prefer replaceable battery. It's not a phone, but my older son has a Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 tablet. After a year and a half, it began having battery issues. It wouldn't charge at all - showing a charging screen but recycling as if we kept pulling the plug and plugging it back in. We tested other cords and it didn't work. I finally bought a battery online and paid someone to open the case (after I failed to be able to) and replace the battery. This fixed it for about 8 months, but his tablet started this up again. Still, replacing the battery should be as easy as buying a replacement online, popping the case open, putting the new battery in, and snapping the case back on.
If you had two battery failures that quickly, there is something wrong with the charging-circuit. My iPad 2. which is almost 5 years old, is still on its original battery, still gets about the same battery life as it did when new, and gets used HEAVILY each and every day.
Samsung needs to stop baking their batteries to death with each charge cycle.
As a user, I'd much prefer the water proofing, smaller overall size / greater capacity, and other benefits that come from an integrated battery.
Stop believing the Apple sales pitches. None of those things is incompatible with a removable battery.
Must be the Samsung sales pitches, too. But you are wrong either way.
I understand how sensitive authorities will be to any battery issue on the Note 7 post-recall, but nearly every Li-Ion phone model has had these kinds of thermal runaway events, including the iPhone. It's premature to start talking about a second recall before the investigation on the Southwest Airlines event has even started in earnest.
To be sure, nearly everything with a Li-ion/Li-Po battery has had one instance of catastrophic battery failure; but is the close-clustering of battery events in one make and model that, like the same thing with the cheap hoverboards, has the authoriTIES (Cartman voice) (understandably) all up in arms.
Hi Apple fanboi!
Hello back, Anonymous COWARD!
How much you are making money?
Nothing from Apps; but that's my own damned fault!
I've made about $8.8 million USD off of my Android-only game over the last 5 years.
You're a moron.
Not a moron; but from what I have read here and other places, Android users really don't like paying for Apps. So if you're one of the "lucky" ones (not disparaging your talent!), then I honestly say "Good for You! Rock It!!!"
Good luck making any appreciable money on any other mobile platform.
Good luck making any appreciable money on the iOS mobile platform.
I assume you haven't watched any of the WWDC Keynotes. I think the 2016 one mentioned over 50 BILLION DOLLARS (!!!) so far paid to Developers from App Store "Royalties".
So SOMEBODY is making some money. And it's only your own damn fault if that's not you.
Yet no one in their right mind would dream of calling those "Not a Standard". So, since Apple will allow ANYONE who meets their criteria and pays their License Fee to design and sell Lightning-compatible products, claim MFi-Compliance, and be "guaranteed to work" with other Lightning-equipped products, how is that NOT a Standard?
Because nobody else can use it in their devices, you can only use it to make accessories for Apple products.
Prove it.
So why doesn't Apple just Open Source Lightning?
Because they can extract license fees from it and this would allow for companies to make accessories that easily work for both iDevices and non-iDevices. It's in their interest as a for-profit company to do exactly this.
Nice selective editing. You disingenuously left off the part where I noted that Apple doesn't seem to be interested in going after manufacturers nor vendors of "bootleg" non-MFi Lightning products.
But the same thing could be said of the abovementioned examples of "Standards" that are still "Licensed"; some after decades of widespread use.
No, it couldn't. Because anybody can make a DVD and a DVD drive and all they need to do is pay the license fees, you cannot do the same with lightning. HTC can't just come along and make a phone with a lightning port.
Prove it.
Apple licensed FireWire, too, yet there were FireWire ports on everything from competitors' computers to cameras to audio interfaces to mixing consoles to who-knows-what. And your assertion flies in the face of your reasoning that Apple wants to enrich themselves with Licensing fees. If that were the case, why WOULDN'T they want to extract a License for a Lightning interface on anything and everything, and ESPECIALLY on competitors' products like phones and laptops?!?
Live Bye the App Store Dye Bye the App Store Live and Be Learned
English as a Teritary language? Or just a drooling idiot?
As an independent the Apple eco system is a minefield. You can't base a business on an environment that is so perniciously hostile. If they don't like what you're doing it's off with their head, if they really like what you're doing they just might steal it. You also get to pay through the nose for the privilege of being treated like crap. I knew to avoid them.
Good luck making any appreciable money on any other mobile platform.
LOL, I see if the discussion evolves into something you don't agree with there can be no point in further communication.
No, you didn't "evolve" anything; rather, you simply kept moving and expanding your list of "grievances" (and then blaming it on me), to the point that it was obvious that, if I addressed every single one of them, you would simply respond with "Yeah, but what about..." until we had exhausted every single thing you didn't like about Apple. Life's too short for that.
So, if you want to characterize my refusal to play your little game as "taking my toys and stomping off to my room", then so be it. I have played that particular game far too many times on this forum, with players far better than you.
For those doubting, you can always google it.
For those too lazy for that, here's a link for you:
http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/23...
Funny. That's exactly the site I ended up looking at!
Most of the people that criticise Apple have never actually owned any Apple products and so haven't a clue about their qualities.
As to Jobs, I believe it's exactly the same people that give Elon Musk a hard time too. There's something about a commercially successful visionary that really annoys them.
Sure Steve Jobs personally was an perfectionist to the point of being an asshole. But then so is Linus Torvalds, but most here give him a pass. Whilst it's an ugly characteristic, in both cases it may be a key ingredient of their success.
I agree with everything you said, wholeheartedly.
For I am the God of HellFire - and I bring you - FIRE!
Oh, great! Now I will have the Incredible Arthur Brown in my head all afternoon1
A weird but remarkably timeless song for the 1960's
Yeah, but at least we got drummer Carl Palmer out of the deal; so it's all good!
Absolutely, it's a real quotation.
Wow! I looked it up while I was waiting...
"Blessed are the Cheesemakers!"
That's why I like to make it a point to watch "The Life of Brian" on Christmas. Helps keep me grounded in some sort of reality, and it is no more fictional than the Bible...
I prefer Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
Is that for real?!?
I should have paid more attention at Mass...
For I am the God of HellFire - and I bring you - FIRE!
Oh, great! Now I will have the Incredible Arthur Brown in my head all afternoon1
No way to post nor reply to someone else's Journal. Sigh.
So, until one of use lowers security enough to make our email addy viewable, there will be no PMing. And since I am a Luddite who doesn't believe in Social(ist) Media like FB, LinkedIn Google+, etc., I am at a loss as to how to proceed...
Ideas?
Not really convinced this is a "serious" platform for home automation - turning on Hue lights or playing music via voice command is hipster cool, but where is the deep support for real physical infrastructure:
- X10 and Zwave lighting - Thermostats of all varieties, including the dumb kind - Infrared, with support for both regular home theatre gear AND wall mounted air conditioners. - Curtain / blind controllers and aircon zone controllers - Relay contact outputs - Energy monitoring and trending
Then, what about all of the rules that make Home Automation automated?
Well, I just did a Google search on "HomeKit and X10" and came up with this interesting article about a thing called "HomeBridge", which might answer the need for protocol "plugins".
I find it interesting that someone found it necessary to mod the parent Flamebait, considering that it's written by Apple cheerleader/apologist-in-chief on /. It's actually an interesting anecdote, and shows, if taken on its own merit, that our friend macs4all does have some capacity for objective judgment. Kudos to you, sir, and try to apply that objectivity to discussions of Apple's products; you'd come across as less of a foaming-at-the-mouth fanboy.
Thanks for the props, man! You seem to have alerted some mods to change that "Flamebait" to "+4 Interesting"!!! (watch now as the Haters mod it back...)
But as you can see from that Anecdote, I have been an Apple-follower and I would guess, fan (not "fanboi" as some assert), for quite a long time (actually, since 1976); and so have a different (I would say "deeper") perspective on what Apple is, and isn't, and what their underlying motives are likely to be. I don't know how to phrase that to sound less conceited; but that is the truth.
I would guess that most of the over-the-top attacks come from folks that simply don't have that depth of experience with Apple and its products, so I shouldn't let their words bother me; but I am human, so they do.
So, I guess some of my explanations come off sounding like "excuses", and after hours of reading post-after-post ascribing the most unbelievably vile and despicable motivations for literally anything Apple does (for example, the Slashdotters that actually found fault in Tim Cook's recent comments on Encryption, and in this Remembrance of Jobs), and after being "punish-modded" THREE separate times from "Excellent" to "Poor" Karma over the course of 24 hours by those same "judges", most of whom haven't gotten the message that "-1 Disagree" is not really supposed to be a thing, I do tend to get somewhat "strident" (i.e. "foaming at the mouth") in my rebuttal at times.
They do burn twice as long, though.
So, you're saying Samsung should start rating their battery in BTU, rather than mAh? ;-)