most of us don't want it. We like our mail client doing just mail... However; I have heard rumors about Penelope (the new Eudora based on the same codebase as Thunderbird) having calendaring support similar to outlook for people that would like to have it.
yes, but the time to rip things out without adding things in isn't that significant, and if it gets ubuntu's criticizers off of attacking them for not being free, as well as attracts them to the distro, it can only help, and it doesn't hinder the vanilla ubuntu users any.
Sam
Lighten Up! It's a prank, and it's not even a malicious prank, it's a stupid digital profile on a stupid site that only 13 yr olds go to... The principle does not have the "right" to hunt down the people that put up a fake profile, and especially not with tax payers money. If it bothers him, he's more than welcome to contact the site and request his profile be removed, and create his own profile with the information he wants in it. But good grief, you make it sound like the kids took baseball bats and broke his legs. It's not that serious...
Everyone always says the current generation is horrid (oh lets remember the 50's and that EVIL rock and roll that was going to ruin society, and lets not get the 60's with all of the hippy's, and my very own, Generation X) and we have to do something about it, but the truth is our society continues to learn and improve, and these "horrid" kids don't all end up as druggies and bank robbers.
So Don't worry, Relax, and if it's your thing, have a homebrew, but please don't encourage this idiot taking a personal attack from students a valid reason to waste taxpayer money and cut programs that could lead to these kids actually learning something.
Sam
I'm sorry, but shouldn't you be working and interacting with coworkers rather than listening to music? I personally find it really annoying when I want to ask someone a question and I either have to tap their shoulder to get their attention or yell really loud because they always have their headphones in their ears. I'm not saying people shouldn't listen to extensive amounts of music, but the work place is probably one of the worst places to wear headphones, and behind the wheel probably ranks up there with it.
Sam
hmmm... someone needs some linux install education;-)
New machine setup actual time: maybe a couple hours
me watching new machine setup: 5 min tops
create a bash script that installs everything you use (apt-get), While we're at it, have the bash script extract your backed up home dir tarball, your etc tarball (not all of etc, just the things you configure, like cups/client.conf, pam ldap auth stuff, etc...), and usr/local tarball (any apps you self compile). Reboot (your script did install a new kernel, right?) and login.
What about people that don't take drugs? What about healthy people that go to the doctor every few years for a physical and never have a health problem in their life? What about people that choose to use natural remedies over buying prescriptions? Those people will be subsidizing the people that take 50 pills a day for an assortment of different things. Is it fair for someone that never/seldomly ever takes any medication to have to pay taxes to subsidize the cost of drugs?
Centralization of government sounds like a great idea until you look at the majority of the population that never uses any of the services of the centralized government that they still pay for in their taxes. Just look at how many mid to upper middle class people pay into social security their entire life and are told they can't touch it when they hit 65 because they made too much money to be able to claim social security.
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regular GTK doesn't count; you can run that on KDE without installing gnome
You're missing the point of the relationship between GTK and Gnome. Yes, a while back a lot of the important parts of the toolkit were gnome only (printers/druids/etc...), and at that time, gnucash was dependent on Gnome, but now a lot of that essential stuff is being moved into GTK2. This is a good thing (tm). Applications should be built around a toolkit, and not a window manager/desktop. The point of the window manager/desktop is to do just that, manage windows, and if you're weird and like having icons on your desktop, manage those to. The Toolkits are development interfaces. No sane person would learn all the ins and outs of their desktop's API to write a program. That's the problem we non-KDE users have with KDE. Every useful app built around KDE requires KDE (rather than just using a qt toolkit). You can't blame gnome for the 100's of programmers that write good software by not using desktops API's. The greatest advantage about GTK apps is if someone doesn't like the gnome desktop, they can ditch it for fluxbox or xfce which are also gtk based and run the same apps without any of the overhead of the desktop.
But for the rest, KDE owns. KDE has amarok, k3b, and konqueror, all three of which are outstanding in their respective fields. And they're always talking about how KOffice 2 is going to replace OO.O and gimp.
I personally only like k3b out of that list. Amarok and Konqueror drive me nuts every time I have to use them. K3B is a great solid app from a functional point of view. It's just a shame they didn't write it using GTK.
To treat the problem through exercise would probably involve hours of running around, which just seems unreasonable.
Are you insane? Since when is running hours around unreasonable? There is nothing unreasonable about sending your kids outside to run around playing tag/riding bikes/playing kickball/etc... for 3 - 5 hours a day. I live with two friends that are both divorced and have kids. When the kids are over for the weekend I run them around outside doing all sorts of active things for easily 3 - 5 hours, and they enjoy it. Usually they show up wanting to get outside because when they stay with their mom's they aren't allowed to go outside and run around. If all parents let their children, or even better, encouraged their children to go play tag with friends, or took their kids on bike rides for a couple hours a day, children would be a lot less overweight. The problem is most parents view their responsibility as keeping an eye on their children all the time, and because the parent is overweight and inactive, they don't want to entertain their children in the great outdoors.
As one of those "Jesus-Freaks" you speak of, I disagree. I for the most part, don't speak up in debates about evolution, because, yes I am biased, and I have no way of knowing what really happened without a time machine. We are all just looking at clues and trying to come up with a hypothesis as to how things happened, but this article is about climate changes, which unless you can point out the exact scripture that states global warming doesn't exist, there is no reason I can't approach the subject with a scientific and logical mind. And as for dinosaurs, any person that argues the existence of dinosaurs is incompetent. From your perspective, we have fossils that prove they existed at one time, and from my perspective we have scripture that perfectly defines some of the dinosaur fossils we have found (the great behemoth in Job). With stem cell research, we have made huge scientific gains in Adult stem cell research, but you are right, there is a slight bias in my opinion in that situation as well. Censorship is not the answer. The answer is an open debate where both sides backup their opinions. If there is a disagreement and no solid answer is agreed upon, there is no reason we can't both continue our research and still be respected scientists, our beliefs completely aside.
Granted, I am a computer scientist, and neither of these fields are my specialty, but I see no reason why we can't just all get along (to the extent of respecting each others opinions, and not resorting to banning someone from research because of their hypotheses). A similar example is a friend of my is in Mechanical Engineering, and he thinks cars need to be less dependent on computers; however, in my field I believe if we could integrate the computer better into the car with open standards, we could make vehicles better. There is no reason both of us can't respect each others opinions and further our working efforts, even if we do disagree. Why is this any different in climatology or biological science?
Now in respect to financial interests, as a scientist, if Corp. X wants to offer me money to further my research, there is no reason my research should be cast aside; however, at the same time if I am found to tell lies to get more money from company X something must be done about the situation (legal action, similar to perjury comes to mind). But as long as I'm searching for answers and not accepting bribes to say this or that, there is no reason I should be silenced.
makes perfect sense to me... vierzhen (fourteen) and eins und zwanzig (twenty one) follow the same pattern for dates. Completely logical why Europeans would use the 14th of march and Americans would use March 14th, now whats confusing is the Brits, because to my knowledge they don't use four ten or one and twenty...
Who says you need to view the images to verify they are child porn? Just write a program that analyzes the image and gives a score for certain characteristics, then return that score. Sure it sounds complicated, but I'm sure any script kiddie capable of taking control of a windows computer must be a computer genius and would be able to pump out an image recognition scoring program in no time...
Sam
the problem is that the cost of the car and the gas doesn't truly reflect the fact that pollution is fucking up our environment
I won't argue the other point, since you said gasoline and not diesel, but the pollution is a non-issue to the environment. Modern cars (post 1997) are air filters when they are running. The burn is monitored so closely that the stoichiometry in the cylinder yields water and CO2 as by-products, which both are clean for the environment. Now if we don't have enough plants to convert the CO2, well that's another issue, but maybe we shouldn't be tearing down all the trees.
no, the real problem is a bunch of slashdotters just missed the joke in the analogy. Yes, they are analagous. A governor prevents you from using a vehicle the way you want to, and if someone claimed it deterred theft they would be full of shit... Windows DRM prevents a user from using the computer they want to and calls it secure. Bull shit if you ask me. Of course I have a very dry sense of humor and cracked up laughing when I read that line:-P
I don't know about the average person, but before I got a computer, I would borrow a friends cd, press play, pipe it into the casette deck and press record, and probably collected 100's of cassette tapes for my walkman like this. They can't claim the Internet is what started all this, it just made it more public to them (they can crawl the file sharing sites, but they weren't spying on the friend at my house bringing his cd collection over).
I've noticed ever since I started brewing my own beer, I haven't been sick since, and when I wake up in the morning, I actually feel energized. It's probably just coincidence, but until I find otherwise, homebrew makes me healthier;-)
I'm curious how hard it is to get a hold of decent bacteria for making yogurt... It sounds like another interesting project to try to make from scratch.
This is why untrusted apps requiring root access should be installed using fakeroot, or inside a chroot environment. No operating system can guarantee an app won't break permissions somewhere, and it's best to let anything run as a superuser to do anything, even if that means breaking things. Your first instinct when trying something shouldn't be lets try this is as root and see if it runs...
hey now, everyone needs one chick flick in the assortment of movies in case a girl does come over and doesn't want to watch star trek... Ironically, Moulin Rouge is the same one in my collection.
I can't believe I just heard someone claim to be a techie and use KDE... What has this world come to, is every desktop whore now considered a techie? Real techies use command line config files, and possibly on occasion very lightweight wm (fluxbox/ratpoison/wmaker)... Oh, and we don't use transparency, that's another stupid frill. On that note, I think gnome is more everyone friendly. Almost everyone of those quirky options only techies would touch can be found in a config file somewhere on your system, as for me I'll stick with fluxbox. As other people have mentioned the thing managing your windows whether it be a full blown desktop or a nice window manager should be a tool that doesn't get in the way. Fancy 3D animations and sounds to go with every click of a mouse doesn't make a usable interface, and having the knowledge to enable these frills doesn't make you a techie. And, if the wm requires a mouse to navigate around efficiently, there has to be something wrong. That device is supposed to be buried behind the desk because it keeps getting knocked off from not using it. So I would appreciate it if you stop calling yourself a techie. You make the rest of us true techies look like desktop whores, which is what you are.
Let the flamewar continue...
The Fine Print: The above post is satire and not meant to be taken seriously. Sorry if you didn't laugh, I have a very dry sense of humor only other REAL techies could detect (and since when did we start referring to ourselves as techies? I always thought it was chief geek or the generic term, linux user)
I know the article doesn't mention public vacations, but wouldn't it be awesome if this led to being able to have a honeymoon on the moon? Imagine, going to the moon for a few weeks after getting married...
You covered Western Civ in high school? We had World History, which was made up of a semester of learning about the bush people in ancient africa, a quarter of ancient asia, and a quarter of bearing straight theory - "discovery" of Americas. Some world history, got out of High School without knowing anything about the greeks, romans, macedonians, mesopatamians, egyptians, germanic tribes, viking, middle ages, etc... and it was called "world history". Thank God for history channel, otherwise I would have gone into my college Western Civ class dumb-founded.
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most of us don't want it. We like our mail client doing just mail... However; I have heard rumors about Penelope (the new Eudora based on the same codebase as Thunderbird) having calendaring support similar to outlook for people that would like to have it.
Sam
Wait... Thunderbird is the sister of Firefox ;-)
Sam
yes, but the time to rip things out without adding things in isn't that significant, and if it gets ubuntu's criticizers off of attacking them for not being free, as well as attracts them to the distro, it can only help, and it doesn't hinder the vanilla ubuntu users any. Sam
Lighten Up! It's a prank, and it's not even a malicious prank, it's a stupid digital profile on a stupid site that only 13 yr olds go to... The principle does not have the "right" to hunt down the people that put up a fake profile, and especially not with tax payers money. If it bothers him, he's more than welcome to contact the site and request his profile be removed, and create his own profile with the information he wants in it. But good grief, you make it sound like the kids took baseball bats and broke his legs. It's not that serious... Everyone always says the current generation is horrid (oh lets remember the 50's and that EVIL rock and roll that was going to ruin society, and lets not get the 60's with all of the hippy's, and my very own, Generation X) and we have to do something about it, but the truth is our society continues to learn and improve, and these "horrid" kids don't all end up as druggies and bank robbers. So Don't worry, Relax, and if it's your thing, have a homebrew, but please don't encourage this idiot taking a personal attack from students a valid reason to waste taxpayer money and cut programs that could lead to these kids actually learning something. Sam
I'm sorry, but shouldn't you be working and interacting with coworkers rather than listening to music? I personally find it really annoying when I want to ask someone a question and I either have to tap their shoulder to get their attention or yell really loud because they always have their headphones in their ears. I'm not saying people shouldn't listen to extensive amounts of music, but the work place is probably one of the worst places to wear headphones, and behind the wheel probably ranks up there with it. Sam
hmmm... someone needs some linux install education ;-)
New machine setup actual time: maybe a couple hours
me watching new machine setup: 5 min tops
create a bash script that installs everything you use (apt-get), While we're at it, have the bash script extract your backed up home dir tarball, your etc tarball (not all of etc, just the things you configure, like cups/client.conf, pam ldap auth stuff, etc...), and usr/local tarball (any apps you self compile). Reboot (your script did install a new kernel, right?) and login.
What about people that don't take drugs? What about healthy people that go to the doctor every few years for a physical and never have a health problem in their life? What about people that choose to use natural remedies over buying prescriptions? Those people will be subsidizing the people that take 50 pills a day for an assortment of different things. Is it fair for someone that never/seldomly ever takes any medication to have to pay taxes to subsidize the cost of drugs?
Centralization of government sounds like a great idea until you look at the majority of the population that never uses any of the services of the centralized government that they still pay for in their taxes. Just look at how many mid to upper middle class people pay into social security their entire life and are told they can't touch it when they hit 65 because they made too much money to be able to claim social security.
Sam
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You're missing the point of the relationship between GTK and Gnome. Yes, a while back a lot of the important parts of the toolkit were gnome only (printers/druids/etc...), and at that time, gnucash was dependent on Gnome, but now a lot of that essential stuff is being moved into GTK2. This is a good thing (tm). Applications should be built around a toolkit, and not a window manager/desktop. The point of the window manager/desktop is to do just that, manage windows, and if you're weird and like having icons on your desktop, manage those to. The Toolkits are development interfaces. No sane person would learn all the ins and outs of their desktop's API to write a program. That's the problem we non-KDE users have with KDE. Every useful app built around KDE requires KDE (rather than just using a qt toolkit). You can't blame gnome for the 100's of programmers that write good software by not using desktops API's. The greatest advantage about GTK apps is if someone doesn't like the gnome desktop, they can ditch it for fluxbox or xfce which are also gtk based and run the same apps without any of the overhead of the desktop.
But for the rest, KDE owns. KDE has amarok, k3b, and konqueror, all three of which are outstanding in their respective fields. And they're always talking about how KOffice 2 is going to replace OO.O and gimp.I personally only like k3b out of that list. Amarok and Konqueror drive me nuts every time I have to use them. K3B is a great solid app from a functional point of view. It's just a shame they didn't write it using GTK.
Are you insane? Since when is running hours around unreasonable? There is nothing unreasonable about sending your kids outside to run around playing tag/riding bikes/playing kickball/etc... for 3 - 5 hours a day. I live with two friends that are both divorced and have kids. When the kids are over for the weekend I run them around outside doing all sorts of active things for easily 3 - 5 hours, and they enjoy it. Usually they show up wanting to get outside because when they stay with their mom's they aren't allowed to go outside and run around. If all parents let their children, or even better, encouraged their children to go play tag with friends, or took their kids on bike rides for a couple hours a day, children would be a lot less overweight. The problem is most parents view their responsibility as keeping an eye on their children all the time, and because the parent is overweight and inactive, they don't want to entertain their children in the great outdoors.
As one of those "Jesus-Freaks" you speak of, I disagree. I for the most part, don't speak up in debates about evolution, because, yes I am biased, and I have no way of knowing what really happened without a time machine. We are all just looking at clues and trying to come up with a hypothesis as to how things happened, but this article is about climate changes, which unless you can point out the exact scripture that states global warming doesn't exist, there is no reason I can't approach the subject with a scientific and logical mind. And as for dinosaurs, any person that argues the existence of dinosaurs is incompetent. From your perspective, we have fossils that prove they existed at one time, and from my perspective we have scripture that perfectly defines some of the dinosaur fossils we have found (the great behemoth in Job). With stem cell research, we have made huge scientific gains in Adult stem cell research, but you are right, there is a slight bias in my opinion in that situation as well. Censorship is not the answer. The answer is an open debate where both sides backup their opinions. If there is a disagreement and no solid answer is agreed upon, there is no reason we can't both continue our research and still be respected scientists, our beliefs completely aside.
Granted, I am a computer scientist, and neither of these fields are my specialty, but I see no reason why we can't just all get along (to the extent of respecting each others opinions, and not resorting to banning someone from research because of their hypotheses). A similar example is a friend of my is in Mechanical Engineering, and he thinks cars need to be less dependent on computers; however, in my field I believe if we could integrate the computer better into the car with open standards, we could make vehicles better. There is no reason both of us can't respect each others opinions and further our working efforts, even if we do disagree. Why is this any different in climatology or biological science?
Now in respect to financial interests, as a scientist, if Corp. X wants to offer me money to further my research, there is no reason my research should be cast aside; however, at the same time if I am found to tell lies to get more money from company X something must be done about the situation (legal action, similar to perjury comes to mind). But as long as I'm searching for answers and not accepting bribes to say this or that, there is no reason I should be silenced.
Sam
makes perfect sense to me... vierzhen (fourteen) and eins und zwanzig (twenty one) follow the same pattern for dates. Completely logical why Europeans would use the 14th of march and Americans would use March 14th, now whats confusing is the Brits, because to my knowledge they don't use four ten or one and twenty...
Sam
Who says you need to view the images to verify they are child porn? Just write a program that analyzes the image and gives a score for certain characteristics, then return that score. Sure it sounds complicated, but I'm sure any script kiddie capable of taking control of a windows computer must be a computer genius and would be able to pump out an image recognition scoring program in no time... Sam
I for one welcome our GMT/metric overlords.
863 users have contributed to 918 threads and 957 posts.
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Wow, that's a really happening place
Sam
I won't argue the other point, since you said gasoline and not diesel, but the pollution is a non-issue to the environment. Modern cars (post 1997) are air filters when they are running. The burn is monitored so closely that the stoichiometry in the cylinder yields water and CO2 as by-products, which both are clean for the environment. Now if we don't have enough plants to convert the CO2, well that's another issue, but maybe we shouldn't be tearing down all the trees.
SamVegetables? That's what food eats right? Sam
no, the real problem is a bunch of slashdotters just missed the joke in the analogy. Yes, they are analagous. A governor prevents you from using a vehicle the way you want to, and if someone claimed it deterred theft they would be full of shit... Windows DRM prevents a user from using the computer they want to and calls it secure. Bull shit if you ask me. Of course I have a very dry sense of humor and cracked up laughing when I read that line :-P
Sam
I don't know about the average person, but before I got a computer, I would borrow a friends cd, press play, pipe it into the casette deck and press record, and probably collected 100's of cassette tapes for my walkman like this. They can't claim the Internet is what started all this, it just made it more public to them (they can crawl the file sharing sites, but they weren't spying on the friend at my house bringing his cd collection over).
Sam
I've noticed ever since I started brewing my own beer, I haven't been sick since, and when I wake up in the morning, I actually feel energized. It's probably just coincidence, but until I find otherwise, homebrew makes me healthier ;-)
I'm curious how hard it is to get a hold of decent bacteria for making yogurt... It sounds like another interesting project to try to make from scratch.
Sam
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Long live Weizenstein!
This is why untrusted apps requiring root access should be installed using fakeroot, or inside a chroot environment. No operating system can guarantee an app won't break permissions somewhere, and it's best to let anything run as a superuser to do anything, even if that means breaking things. Your first instinct when trying something shouldn't be lets try this is as root and see if it runs...
Sam
hey now, everyone needs one chick flick in the assortment of movies in case a girl does come over and doesn't want to watch star trek... Ironically, Moulin Rouge is the same one in my collection.
I can't believe I just heard someone claim to be a techie and use KDE... What has this world come to, is every desktop whore now considered a techie? Real techies use command line config files, and possibly on occasion very lightweight wm (fluxbox/ratpoison/wmaker)... Oh, and we don't use transparency, that's another stupid frill. On that note, I think gnome is more everyone friendly. Almost everyone of those quirky options only techies would touch can be found in a config file somewhere on your system, as for me I'll stick with fluxbox. As other people have mentioned the thing managing your windows whether it be a full blown desktop or a nice window manager should be a tool that doesn't get in the way. Fancy 3D animations and sounds to go with every click of a mouse doesn't make a usable interface, and having the knowledge to enable these frills doesn't make you a techie. And, if the wm requires a mouse to navigate around efficiently, there has to be something wrong. That device is supposed to be buried behind the desk because it keeps getting knocked off from not using it. So I would appreciate it if you stop calling yourself a techie. You make the rest of us true techies look like desktop whores, which is what you are.
Let the flamewar continue...
The Fine Print: The above post is satire and not meant to be taken seriously. Sorry if you didn't laugh, I have a very dry sense of humor only other REAL techies could detect (and since when did we start referring to ourselves as techies? I always thought it was chief geek or the generic term, linux user)
I know the article doesn't mention public vacations, but wouldn't it be awesome if this led to being able to have a honeymoon on the moon? Imagine, going to the moon for a few weeks after getting married...
SamYou covered Western Civ in high school? We had World History, which was made up of a semester of learning about the bush people in ancient africa, a quarter of ancient asia, and a quarter of bearing straight theory - "discovery" of Americas. Some world history, got out of High School without knowing anything about the greeks, romans, macedonians, mesopatamians, egyptians, germanic tribes, viking, middle ages, etc... and it was called "world history". Thank God for history channel, otherwise I would have gone into my college Western Civ class dumb-founded.
Sam