Frankly I didnt think much of this tool till I had to convert a LOT of pages where there was going to be a ton of cleanup by hand. In some cases it was easier to go back and get word to spit out ugly html and then let tidy fix that (if you can belive it). Best of all it is FREE and easy to use!!!
Usabilty has little to do with security. Usability only becomes a factor when your users CANT understand what is required of them. For example if the user cant distinguish that their name goes in one box, their password in another, and their RSA token in a third you have done something wrong.
Experience has a LOT to do with security. If you make users change their password every month, and you require an equal mix of alpha and non-alpha chars, then what are they going to do? I would bet "post it" under the keyboard.
First off, I'm a HCI major, and I've worked on designing human factors related stuff.
Gee isnt that cute he is an HCI major
When
I go shopping, I just go shopping. I would not bother making a list, e-mailing it them and what not. They forget the human-factors part of it - people will not go to the lengths to do something like this (atleast I won't). These are the same people who find it hard to move their mice up 2 cms to click a button - they're actually going to go to this lengths to do this?
Geesh I have been working in UI/HCI for quite some time now, and if I ever USED I so many times in trying to make an agument I would be FIRED
Your point is valid... but there is NO law that says you have to have any ID to get on a plane, as few as 3 months ago I got on a plane with NO id of any kind.
When you get to the desk, just say "ill be flying selectee today" if they give you any grief just ask them to tell you the law that requires them to collect ID. If they make any thing up tell them if you dont get your boarding pass your going to call the FAA (and be ready to call the FAA). Youll get on the plane. No company in the air transport biusiness can deniy you a flight cause you dont have "id" it is impossible and illegal.
If any of you doubt me, show me the LAW that prevents it and ill show you the FAA code that allows it.
Look, you can think what you want but this is BUSINESS -- and you need to adapt or die, if you cant cut it, get out of the way there is someone else who can.
All joking aside about the above comment, it raises a question about "Semantics" in general that NO meta -data system no matter how good you make it is going to address...
If Jim has a friend, your talking about an expression FROM the perspective of Jim. This expression is is given CONTEXT by Jim, it can NOT be said that Paul has a friend named Jim... Paul might not know Jim (stalker). I could poke holes in this for days but I dont't rreally have the time.
Why cant the W3C come out with some standards that are USEFUL. How about some tags for address, phone umber, geocode, so I can search on what is "local". How about some working samples that are publicly available, so people can start putting them to use.
-- RANT FOLLOWS -- I'm beginning to view t.b. lee like I view jacob nelson and Steve balmier, just another talking head throwing anything and everything out there and hoping it sticks. (picture all 3 of them on stage, Steve screaming "developers" Jacob saying "usability" and Tim going "XML")
It seems that Tim has forgotten how he got into the position that he is in, by putting something out there that WORKED (html) and letting it evolve from there. We had to live it for a while, let others take it up before we could get to a better place. It is starting to look like the W3C has over stepped it posisiton as the shepard of the web to try to be an innovator, and I don't think that is the ROLE a standards body should be assuming. I would really LIKE to see them (the w3c) stop wasting money on crap that 90% of the world is NEVER going to use, and start trying to make things more accessible to Joe average user. Most of the "standards are good and you should use them" has come from small iconic developers (zeldman anyone), while we get OWL from the w3c? How about making some of those wonderfull standards clear and accessible, how about a solid explanation of semantics for Joe average developer, who could not read through the "doccumentation" to save his life....
After having read what you had to say I feel that I should address a few points. Word - is not some magic formula that is going to make you a writer, hard work is, and that hard work has NOTHING to do with the tools. Im impressed with the fact that you realize that it is hard work that is going to get you there, but just because you buy a hammer dosent mean your going to build a house.
I see all kind of people lulled into a false sense of security by the "tools" thinking that they (the tools) make them something that they arent. And here is the nail in the coffin...
1) Get out word (yes I know MS but that is what ever one who is posting is using) 2) Find a poem by e.e. cummings 3) Put poem by e.e. cummings into word 4) let word correct the poem
The product isnt going to be cummings. I would have to ask would cummings produce the work he did with "modern" tools? I would like to think (hope) so, but what are these tools doing to REAL creativity?
Buying a copy of word and sitting down and typing isnt going to make you a writer
Buying a copy of dreamweaver (or shudder front page) isnt going to make you a web designer. People do things on the web that they would never do in their front yard. How many of you have seen those garish sites that make you want to cry, or your eyes bleed? People have forgotten that the web is a PUBLIC space, it is one giant central park.
Just because you can do something dosen't mean you should, and people posting on the web need to remember this!
Can we just ban this man from ever getting posted on slashdot again? This has to be the most convoluted piece of drivile that I have seen linked from the front page of slashdot in a long time, it is so bad that I don't even know where to start to attack it.
Email is not IM
We can all ignore the phone, how is IM any different
If closing a door can benift programmer productivity (as suggested in the article) then turning off IM and email can do the same
If user cant filter mail/block unwanted IM's how is another interface (as he suggests) going to be of benift, we need to fix the UI issues in those applications
Look I get as much junk IM and email as any one else, but i filter and block religiously, it is the only way I can stay productive. When I really need to get things done I'm not afraid to turn those items off.
The best little gem from the article --
Our culture is hurting from information pollution everywhere we turn. The Internet is the most severely afflicted ecosystem, with countless content-free Web pages overflowing with either low-value stream-of-consciousness postings or bland "corporatese." The physical world is not much better. In the United States, for example, you can't buy a lawn mower without a label saying that you're not supposed to mow your feet. Most instruction manuals are littered with "important" warnings that caution against obvious stupidities, burying actual dangers amid a mass of irrelevancy.
This whole article shines as an example of that "irrelevancy"...
Just remember if jacob had his way we would all still be using blue links!!!
Frist off... Grant money can be a sticky situation, you might not be allowed to do any thing for profit with the equipment depending on the structure of the grant! Make sure that if you turn a profit that it is LEGAL!!!
Second... Grant mony abounds, and you can find more where that came from! Appily for every grant you can!
Third... Look for local resources. User groups, in the linxu and mac comunity abound, and they are always friendly and willing to lend a hand if they have it to give!
Fourth... Buy your hardware from a major vendor, the big name companies will cut you a discount because your a non profit (are you?)!!! Also uniform hard ware and setups are easier to maintain.
Fith... You should have some basic rules, and a time sceduele set up! Qualify your youth techs, and have them cross train each other... Kids learn from kids better than from adult! This will aslo create a more open atmosphere, and this is what you want. A comunity in and arround your lab will weed out any bad eggs!
Sixth... Dont forget those hidden costs... you might be tempted to spend the full 100k on computers, but you need spare parts, and some resereve if you run into any unexpected problems. Dont forget the little things like the electric bill... you could clobber your agency if you arent prepaerd for it!
Seventh... You need voluntiers... local buisness is the way to go. Tell them what you are looking for and they will go to their pool of employies and ask. They had this at my last job and I was out and about at schools doing consulting for free, and ended up teaching a lot of people a lot of things.
sorry for my spelling, feel free to email me if you want!
Well i have my little ibook, and I was wondering if i set up a point to point network on the plane would it have the same effect as a cell phone... Is the 802.11 going to have the same effect, what about blue tooth, even though it is limited range? Then what about the Irridum phones? Im sure some one can think of half a dozen other things that generate signals...
I though that I was the only one that didnt get it. I still dont see an "end result". Is there going to be something produced or is this just going to go on like this forever? If I missed it help me out.
Who has the faster car, who has the smaller phone (see bigger isnt always better), who has the best grahics card? Does it realy matter?
I have seen people complain about the Gforce and the whole T&L thing. No one is going to code for it unless XX% of the user base has access to it. Stay a generation behind, save your self 200$ and beta testing the drivers.
FUD, everyone seems to think M$ plays this game best, wrong. You have people haveing arguments over a product that havent even seen the light of day yet. That is unless your living under an NDA, and that dosent count for us out here in the real world.
At what point does fill rate become a non issue. Isnt good old film, 24 frames per second. Can any one out there honestly tell me that they can see the diffrence between the fill rates in any modern 3D cards? At what point does all this become a subjective matter? Or is it already and the matter is who makes the best drivers?
--- NO SIG YOU SAY ---
You know I own VRSN and as an investment this could be a good thing for the company... get that PE out of the 8k range (scary even for the new ecom)... As a user this scares the hell out of me. You want to talk about 500 pound gorrilas, this merger will make one. VRSN owns somthing like 90% (it could be less I could be wrong but it is still high) of the security certificates out there. I can only wonder what they are going to do with all that info(al la doubble click any one). Another post sugested a one stop shop for a secure domain name, and guess what it is alredy there. No more fuss muss and hassle... The thing that I find intersesting is that your site gets netsure protection, up to 250k of it. I wonder how or who is providing that insurance? I though that deploying and insuring a product was illegal, again I could be wrong. But the conditions (link follows) of this plan override any other terms and agreements that you may have... http://www.verisign.com/repo sitory/netsure/netsure2.html read it youll want to cry or laugh
Slashdot Mirror
What half do you realy want?
And it works pretty well... TIDY!!!
Frankly I didnt think much of this tool till I had to convert a LOT of pages where there was going to be a ton of cleanup by hand. In some cases it was easier to go back and get word to spit out ugly html and then let tidy fix that (if you can belive it). Best of all it is FREE and easy to use!!!
It is salt water fool....
Lemon and butter would be more usefull, think of all the poached crab and fish arround there... YUM
Full of drugs, and wants to "hang out" who am I to complain....
At least I wont have to share the goodstuff
You know there is a joke in here somewhere about penis size (smaller is smaller?)....
Oi -- not this again.
Usabilty has little to do with security. Usability only becomes a factor when your users CANT understand what is required of them. For example if the user cant distinguish that their name goes in one box, their password in another, and their RSA token in a third you have done something wrong.
Experience has a LOT to do with security. If you make users change their password every month, and you require an equal mix of alpha and non-alpha chars, then what are they going to do? I would bet "post it" under the keyboard.
In the US we say...
"a pig in a dress is still a pig"
Gee isnt that cute he is an HCI major
Geesh I have been working in UI/HCI for quite some time now, and if I ever USED I so many times in trying to make an agument I would be FIRED
Funny the faa has a different take on this
i d. html
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~daw/faa/
and here is a sample of the directive
http://permanenttourist.com/4paths/fly-without-
if you realy want to dig around the FAA site for the whole directive good luck
Your point is valid... but there is NO law that says you have to have any ID to get on a plane, as few as 3 months ago I got on a plane with NO id of any kind.
When you get to the desk, just say "ill be flying selectee today" if they give you any grief just ask them to tell you the law that requires them to collect ID. If they make any thing up tell them if you dont get your boarding pass your going to call the FAA (and be ready to call the FAA). Youll get on the plane. No company in the air transport biusiness can deniy you a flight cause you dont have "id" it is impossible and illegal.
If any of you doubt me, show me the LAW that prevents it and ill show you the FAA code that allows it.
Look, you can think what you want but this is BUSINESS -- and you need to adapt or die, if you cant cut it, get out of the way there is someone else who can.
All joking aside about the above comment, it raises a question about "Semantics" in general that NO meta -data system no matter how good you make it is going to address...
If Jim has a friend, your talking about an expression FROM the perspective of Jim. This expression is is given CONTEXT by Jim, it can NOT be said that Paul has a friend named Jim... Paul might not know Jim (stalker). I could poke holes in this for days but I dont't rreally have the time.
Why cant the W3C come out with some standards that are USEFUL. How about some tags for address, phone umber, geocode, so I can search on what is "local". How about some working samples that are publicly available, so people can start putting them to use.
-- RANT FOLLOWS --
I'm beginning to view t.b. lee like I view jacob nelson and Steve balmier, just another talking head throwing anything and everything out there and hoping it sticks. (picture all 3 of them on stage, Steve screaming "developers" Jacob saying "usability" and Tim going "XML")
It seems that Tim has forgotten how he got into the position that he is in, by putting something out there that WORKED (html) and letting it evolve from there. We had to live it for a while, let others take it up before we could get to a better place. It is starting to look like the W3C has over stepped it posisiton as the shepard of the web to try to be an innovator, and I don't think that is the ROLE a standards body should be assuming. I would really LIKE to see them (the w3c) stop wasting money on crap that 90% of the world is NEVER going to use, and start trying to make things more accessible to Joe average user. Most of the "standards are good and you should use them" has come from small iconic developers (zeldman anyone), while we get OWL from the w3c? How about making some of those wonderfull standards clear and accessible, how about a solid explanation of semantics for Joe average developer, who could not read through the "doccumentation" to save his life....
-- end rant ---
In my day we were happy to get a proton
After having read what you had to say I feel that I should address a few points. Word - is not some magic formula that is going to make you a writer, hard work is, and that hard work has NOTHING to do with the tools. Im impressed with the fact that you realize that it is hard work that is going to get you there, but just because you buy a hammer dosent mean your going to build a house.
I see all kind of people lulled into a false sense of security by the "tools" thinking that they (the tools) make them something that they arent. And here is the nail in the coffin...
1) Get out word (yes I know MS but that is what ever one who is posting is using)
2) Find a poem by e.e. cummings
3) Put poem by e.e. cummings into word
4) let word correct the poem
The product isnt going to be cummings. I would have to ask would cummings produce the work he did with "modern" tools? I would like to think (hope) so, but what are these tools doing to REAL creativity?
OK
Buying a copy of word and sitting down and typing isnt going to make you a writer
Buying a copy of dreamweaver (or shudder front page) isnt going to make you a web designer. People do things on the web that they would never do in their front yard. How many of you have seen those garish sites that make you want to cry, or your eyes bleed? People have forgotten that the web is a PUBLIC space, it is one giant central park.
Just because you can do something dosen't mean you should, and people posting on the web need to remember this!
Look I get as much junk IM and email as any one else, but i filter and block religiously, it is the only way I can stay productive. When I really need to get things done I'm not afraid to turn those items off.
The best little gem from the article --
This whole article shines as an example of that "irrelevancy"...
Just remember if jacob had his way we would all still be using blue links!!!
This is on the heels of wired article that sugested www.toaster.net for 802.11 in the SF bay area....
Frist off... Grant money can be a sticky situation, you might not be allowed to do any thing for profit with the equipment depending on the structure of the grant! Make sure that if you turn a profit that it is LEGAL!!!
Second... Grant mony abounds, and you can find more where that came from! Appily for every grant you can!
Third... Look for local resources. User groups, in the linxu and mac comunity abound, and they are always friendly and willing to lend a hand if they have it to give!
Fourth... Buy your hardware from a major vendor, the big name companies will cut you a discount because your a non profit (are you?)!!! Also uniform hard ware and setups are easier to maintain.
Fith... You should have some basic rules, and a time sceduele set up! Qualify your youth techs, and have them cross train each other... Kids learn from kids better than from adult! This will aslo create a more open atmosphere, and this is what you want. A comunity in and arround your lab will weed out any bad eggs!
Sixth... Dont forget those hidden costs... you might be tempted to spend the full 100k on computers, but you need spare parts, and some resereve if you run into any unexpected problems. Dont forget the little things like the electric bill... you could clobber your agency if you arent prepaerd for it!
Seventh... You need voluntiers... local buisness is the way to go. Tell them what you are looking for and they will go to their pool of employies and ask. They had this at my last job and I was out and about at schools doing consulting for free, and ended up teaching a lot of people a lot of things.
sorry for my spelling, feel free to email me if you want!
Well i have my little ibook, and I was wondering if i set up a point to point network on the plane would it have the same effect as a cell phone... Is the 802.11 going to have the same effect, what about blue tooth, even though it is limited range? Then what about the Irridum phones? Im sure some one can think of half a dozen other things that generate signals...
I though that I was the only one that didnt get it. I still dont see an "end result". Is there going to be something produced or is this just going to go on like this forever? If I missed it help me out.
Who has the faster car, who has the smaller phone (see bigger isnt always better), who has the best grahics card? Does it realy matter? I have seen people complain about the Gforce and the whole T&L thing. No one is going to code for it unless XX% of the user base has access to it. Stay a generation behind, save your self 200$ and beta testing the drivers. FUD, everyone seems to think M$ plays this game best, wrong. You have people haveing arguments over a product that havent even seen the light of day yet. That is unless your living under an NDA, and that dosent count for us out here in the real world. At what point does fill rate become a non issue. Isnt good old film, 24 frames per second. Can any one out there honestly tell me that they can see the diffrence between the fill rates in any modern 3D cards? At what point does all this become a subjective matter? Or is it already and the matter is who makes the best drivers? --- NO SIG YOU SAY ---
Cant wait to see this one in my next meeting... Ill take mine to the movies too http://www.cguard.com/English/latests/index.html
You know I own VRSN and as an investment this could be a good thing for the company... get that PE out of the 8k range (scary even for the new ecom)...
As a user this scares the hell out of me. You want to talk about 500 pound gorrilas, this merger will make one. VRSN owns somthing like 90% (it could be less I could be wrong but it is still high) of the security certificates out there. I can only wonder what they are going to do with all that info(al la doubble click any one). Another post sugested a one stop shop for a secure domain name, and guess what it is alredy there. No more fuss muss and hassle... The thing that I find intersesting is that your site gets netsure protection, up to 250k of it. I wonder how or who is providing that insurance? I though that deploying and insuring a product was illegal, again I could be wrong. But the conditions (link follows) of this plan override any other terms and agreements that you may have...
http://www.verisign.com/repo sitory/netsure/netsure2.html
read it youll want to cry or laugh