It's my experience that the ego-fueled and selfish are quickly marginalized. I imagine that, in a real crisis, they're be quickly dealt with in one way or another. I really think it might be projection. They seem to inclined to think that others will be as selfish as they are. Another part may be ego. They seem inclined to think that they can make a go of it on their own and be successful. That might be true, in some cases. I suspect it's not true for any more than a rounding error's worth of the people who self-identify as preppers.
Me? I'll be fine. I'm prepared but I also have a great relationship with friends and family. My neighbors are all friends, as well. It's not so much that "I will be fine" but that "we will be fine." Combined we've enough skills and resources so that one need only marginal preparation efforts. We hunt, we grow, we preserve. We may be a little hungry, at first, but we've enough to survive and get through quite a bit - even in very hard situations. Hell, I have one neighbor who has no indoor plumbing and no mains electricity. They may not even notice for quite some time, unless we go check on them.
Then again, my living situation isn't really all that normal. So, there's that. We don't even have a town office. We don't even have a town. We're in an unincorporated township - there are six houses and an equal number of camps. Assuming we go a minute without losing internet (many of use have alternative power sources) we might not actually notice some events. I've solar and wind. If the power goes out, it's all automatic and I don't notice anything at all. It just means that I'm not pushing anything out to the mains - I now generate more than I use.
Pardon my assumptions based on your signature... "...by the letter 't'..."
It's amusing that this group of people, ones we'll call SJWs, are so quick to judge based on innate traits, something you're born with. At the same time, they oft decry such prejudices while, as you so eloquently stated, engaging in preemptive framing. You, by virtue of a trait you were born with (hence my assumption), would be lauded by certain members of this group, even if they did not know anything more about you. I wonder, how long could you remain within their enclave were they to see you calling them on their hypocrisy or publicly frown upon their antics?
There's a reason I've marked you as a 'friend.' It makes your posts easier to spot.
Actually, the mailing list is go-nuts. I have a sibling who is mentally ill. This is demeaning and minimizing the actual impact that mental illness has on the victims and their families.
*nods*
I should make a post. I suspect they'd just ban me instead of engaging in some introspection.
I'm pretty sure that everyone involved in this mix-up is paid quite well. Gone are the days of the major contributers wiling away time in their basement, coding for love and living on Ramen. The good, spare time hackers, are now employed and making good salaries.
That said, I never was one for ranting. I get quiet and speak softly but I tend to enunciate carefully and metered. My kids have a saying about it. "When Daddy gets quiet, you've done something wrong."
Do you have something (some source) that you know of where there's a good, in-depth, review and history of this? Now that we're wildly off-topic, it's piqued my interests quite a bit. I've done some searching but they'll all pretty much about current events/happenings. I'm hoping for something akin to an expose.
I honestly, well, I don't know how to feel about this. I can say that I empathize with the man but I don't - not fully. I can't possibly understand what it must be like in their head - especially if they were not sane at the time of the offense and full sanity has been had after the fact. That must be terrible. I'd string up or shoot myself. I did mention that I'm not a very good Buddhist. I simply couldn't handle the torment and my desire to be free would be too strong.
This is awesome! Seriously, thanks. I've never had a stalker before. It makes me feel all warm and cozy, like I've done something meaningful.
Anyhow, yes, yes I do have that and no, my mother's dead. If I were to purchase such a thing then I'd even make sure you were still allowed to participate. Even if, for no other reason, it was because of the warm gushy feeling of having a stalker. I don't know why people would complain about them. You're pretty powerless and just tell me that I've managed to do something so meaningful as to piss someone off enough to spend their life (portions of it, at least) on my behalf. Those minutes, hours, and emotions that you give me are mine to do with as I please. I'm not usually one to lord power over another but this is awesome!
I've been in a variety of natural disaster type things and even in a few countries with active wars taking place. This sort of movie script breakdown of society is, pretty much, the exact opposite of what I have personally witnessed. Maybe I'm missing something? Maybe they're just projecting what they'd do. Maybe I've never been in a situation bad enough for that to happen? I dunno...
I was stuck in an ice storm that took out power for over two weeks. I ate a lot of acid, drank some, and had a hell of a time. I had to risk using a hammer to get into my car and driving was absolutely hilarious. I couldn't get all the way to the airport to fly back home, I sure as hell wasn't going to try to drive, and I just hunkered down with the friends I was visiting and used it as an excuse to get wasted.
Up home, we regularly get power outages, extended ones, and floods and blizzards. I've seen people canoe down Main Street while I was eating in a diner that was surrounded by water - I had to hop over water to get inside. If we get a blizzard then we hop on a snowmobile and go to town that way or just hunker down. During the rest of the year, we'll take a four wheeler out and bring a chainsaw with us to clear the roads so traffic can get through. Hell, they'll let us clear the roads alongside the power company - they'll tell us when it's safe to cut.
I find disasters or a good crisis will being out the best in people. It's not like a bunch of marauders are going to take on a few people, who are likely carrying a sidearm, in hopes of acquiring a can of tuna that would otherwise be given happily. Hell, some of my neighbors have equipment that's still able to be drawn by a horse so they could still keep fields mowed, cows fed, and make booze.
I live out in the sticks. When SHTF, well, we have a plan. They can all come to my house, or me to their house, and enjoy each other's company. It kind of helps that I'm in an unincorporated township - some 24 miles from even a small village and hundreds of miles from a real city. I've got enough supplies stored away, including licensed fuel tanks and a couple of hand pumps, so that I'll be inconvenienced but not really at risk. My neighbors probably all have similar and we'll be just fine. Hell, I've got radio equipment and enough hardware to make our own small internet. Somewhere, in the basement, I have an inbound call router - we'll be okay.:D
I have no idea what, exactly, happened but I had a strike near my house back in the early 2000s (lived elsewhere then). I lost a ton of data - hard drives were erased, just blank. Even floppy disks were erased. Not all of them but quite a few of them. It lit the whole area up in a bright blue, took out a tree that was right next to the house, and that was okay but I was really pissed with the loss of data. I had some backed up at the office but not everything. It made me back up and verify my backups more and I ended up changing the backup process at work as well.
I can only assume it was EMF/EMP type of thing. That seems most likely to me. The power surged and that killed a few things (even melted one of the surge protectors) and almost all of the data was gone - even from devices not powered on, even idle media like the old floppy disks. I ended up sending two disks off to a data recovery house (that was costly) and got some of the data back. I lost work from the late 80s and an absurd amount of porn and music (for that day and age). I was kind of surprised that it took out disks that weren't powered on, spinning, or even in a computer.
Insurance did not cover the data nor did they cover the data recovery house's expense. I think they called it an "act of god" or some shit. I had coverage and it paid for the tree, the damage done by the tree, and would have covered fire but my data was my own damned responsibility. I guess the good thing is that I learned better backup processes and haven't had that happen since.
I had to pay for new line and a CO in order to get DSL. A neighbor paid a little so that they'd extend it to them. However, I'd have just covered it but I'm glad they did. As I'm almost the furthest one out, it covers almost all of the six houses in the area. The good thing is that we're allowed to use any ISP that will service our area - the phone company can not restrict access. Prior to this they had dial-up at speeds around 20-22k.
If you're curious as to why I'd have covered it? I'm "from away" and retired to an unincorporated township in NW Maine. I'm not bashful, I'll buy favor. However, it was mostly because, at that point, it would have been a trivial addition to the expense and the neighborly thing to do.
Look, the other option was to get cowsay installed early and then make it moo and do a barrel role. (Or sl - everyone likes trains, right?) What's funny is that people think it was a botnet. *sighs* Drama on top of drama. Screenshots of the IRC commands are up on 4chan every once in a while - still. Post and someone may deliver. Or not... It was for the lulz, not for the hacking. This was discussed in the last thread. This was the absolute certain outcome - they would deny lulz for they are the killers of lulz.
This was not some sort of black hat hacking group. Well, not really. Someone kindly pointed out that IRC is allowed. The rest took care of itself. See the prior thread. It was done for lulz, not for black hat type of things. There wasn't even really a botnet, that I know of. Just a few people with big ol' list of proxies and a refresher in IRC scripting.
What's funny is this is being claimed as a botnet. It wasn't. They're the dumbasses that allow an IRC connection. It just needs a few like-minded individuals and a handful of proxies. Botnet... *sighs* They'll make anything seem worse than it is.
I've never had a stalker before. It kinda makes me ego swell. This is awesome! You should post more angry, ranty, messages. When I get time, later, I'll type out a novella just for you.
As stated elsewhere in this thread - I don't have any problems with it. I'd like to. I'd love to fit in and have something to rant and rave about. No, it just works. I learned a few new commands (some of them are useful). That is it. It hasn't borked anything, here. I 'administer' a number of servers and desktops but they're all my own. I'm not a professional and I don't stray too far from fairly typical use patterns.
We can only go by what they thought at the time. Just as they also felt it was just. What is truth is, well, subjective when it comes to reality. Using India as an example, they had one rules (very early on) who regularly chucked people into a hole in the middle of the city. If you were honest, he'd just chuck you in the hole. If you denied your offense then you got tortured and then chucked into the hole. 'Tis subjective. Just as you said. Which was, kind of, my point. They're not always like Abraham. I'm a Buddhist. (Not a good Buddhist, nor a fucking monk - I like that last part, I feel obligated to make sure that it's obvious.)
As for your question... Who knows if they're sane now? That's just too damned painful and I don't really have an answer. I'd argue that no sane person could commit such an offense and, if they could, we need to work on the definition of sanity. Also, you can be tried twice? I've Canadian citizenship but don't actually get in any trouble there so I'm entirely unfamiliar with the legal system. Here, you're found not guilty by way of insanity and that includes a caveat - in some cases. In some you're declared not fit enough to stand trial - which means when you are fit that you can be tried. If you're truly not guilty by way of insanity - where the court concludes the case and determines it as so, you're free to go when you're sane again - if you're sane again.
This is one thing that engineering can not, currently, completely resolve. It is my opinion that we need more educated drivers. With educated drivers, for instance, we'd never need a single stop sign.
Actually, you *can* pay them to step-up their game... Companies pay all the time. Hell, they pay their own employees to work on the kernel. It's not even all that uncommon. I've had companies approach me to write custom plug-ins for a forum software that I use - and I'm quite happily retired. If you want something, pay for it indeed and you can pay for support for open source content. The best part is that it is open source - you can pay anyone you damned well please.
I've only seen PikeOS in the wild - that I know of. I may well have interfaced with others but not known it. Contrary to popular belief, I do not, in fact, dig into the guts of everything. It is possible that I have not noticed any encounters.
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I'm super seriously hoping these features make it in to the nouveau package! "David's breaking random shit again, watch now!"
It's my experience that the ego-fueled and selfish are quickly marginalized. I imagine that, in a real crisis, they're be quickly dealt with in one way or another. I really think it might be projection. They seem to inclined to think that others will be as selfish as they are. Another part may be ego. They seem inclined to think that they can make a go of it on their own and be successful. That might be true, in some cases. I suspect it's not true for any more than a rounding error's worth of the people who self-identify as preppers.
Me? I'll be fine. I'm prepared but I also have a great relationship with friends and family. My neighbors are all friends, as well. It's not so much that "I will be fine" but that "we will be fine." Combined we've enough skills and resources so that one need only marginal preparation efforts. We hunt, we grow, we preserve. We may be a little hungry, at first, but we've enough to survive and get through quite a bit - even in very hard situations. Hell, I have one neighbor who has no indoor plumbing and no mains electricity. They may not even notice for quite some time, unless we go check on them.
Then again, my living situation isn't really all that normal. So, there's that. We don't even have a town office. We don't even have a town. We're in an unincorporated township - there are six houses and an equal number of camps. Assuming we go a minute without losing internet (many of use have alternative power sources) we might not actually notice some events. I've solar and wind. If the power goes out, it's all automatic and I don't notice anything at all. It just means that I'm not pushing anything out to the mains - I now generate more than I use.
You can't wrestle with the pigs without getting dirty.
I had employees who called me an asshole, told me when I did stupid things, and rewrote my entire code as well as kicked me out of my own server room.
I'm eternally grateful.
Pardon my assumptions based on your signature... "...by the letter 't'..."
It's amusing that this group of people, ones we'll call SJWs, are so quick to judge based on innate traits, something you're born with. At the same time, they oft decry such prejudices while, as you so eloquently stated, engaging in preemptive framing. You, by virtue of a trait you were born with (hence my assumption), would be lauded by certain members of this group, even if they did not know anything more about you. I wonder, how long could you remain within their enclave were they to see you calling them on their hypocrisy or publicly frown upon their antics?
There's a reason I've marked you as a 'friend.' It makes your posts easier to spot.
Actually, the mailing list is go-nuts. I have a sibling who is mentally ill. This is demeaning and minimizing the actual impact that mental illness has on the victims and their families.
*nods*
I should make a post. I suspect they'd just ban me instead of engaging in some introspection.
I'm pretty sure that everyone involved in this mix-up is paid quite well. Gone are the days of the major contributers wiling away time in their basement, coding for love and living on Ramen. The good, spare time hackers, are now employed and making good salaries.
That said, I never was one for ranting. I get quiet and speak softly but I tend to enunciate carefully and metered. My kids have a saying about it. "When Daddy gets quiet, you've done something wrong."
Do you have something (some source) that you know of where there's a good, in-depth, review and history of this? Now that we're wildly off-topic, it's piqued my interests quite a bit. I've done some searching but they'll all pretty much about current events/happenings. I'm hoping for something akin to an expose.
I honestly, well, I don't know how to feel about this. I can say that I empathize with the man but I don't - not fully. I can't possibly understand what it must be like in their head - especially if they were not sane at the time of the offense and full sanity has been had after the fact. That must be terrible. I'd string up or shoot myself. I did mention that I'm not a very good Buddhist. I simply couldn't handle the torment and my desire to be free would be too strong.
This is awesome! Seriously, thanks. I've never had a stalker before. It makes me feel all warm and cozy, like I've done something meaningful.
Anyhow, yes, yes I do have that and no, my mother's dead. If I were to purchase such a thing then I'd even make sure you were still allowed to participate. Even if, for no other reason, it was because of the warm gushy feeling of having a stalker. I don't know why people would complain about them. You're pretty powerless and just tell me that I've managed to do something so meaningful as to piss someone off enough to spend their life (portions of it, at least) on my behalf. Those minutes, hours, and emotions that you give me are mine to do with as I please. I'm not usually one to lord power over another but this is awesome!
I've been in a variety of natural disaster type things and even in a few countries with active wars taking place. This sort of movie script breakdown of society is, pretty much, the exact opposite of what I have personally witnessed. Maybe I'm missing something? Maybe they're just projecting what they'd do. Maybe I've never been in a situation bad enough for that to happen? I dunno...
I was stuck in an ice storm that took out power for over two weeks. I ate a lot of acid, drank some, and had a hell of a time. I had to risk using a hammer to get into my car and driving was absolutely hilarious. I couldn't get all the way to the airport to fly back home, I sure as hell wasn't going to try to drive, and I just hunkered down with the friends I was visiting and used it as an excuse to get wasted.
Up home, we regularly get power outages, extended ones, and floods and blizzards. I've seen people canoe down Main Street while I was eating in a diner that was surrounded by water - I had to hop over water to get inside. If we get a blizzard then we hop on a snowmobile and go to town that way or just hunker down. During the rest of the year, we'll take a four wheeler out and bring a chainsaw with us to clear the roads so traffic can get through. Hell, they'll let us clear the roads alongside the power company - they'll tell us when it's safe to cut.
I find disasters or a good crisis will being out the best in people. It's not like a bunch of marauders are going to take on a few people, who are likely carrying a sidearm, in hopes of acquiring a can of tuna that would otherwise be given happily. Hell, some of my neighbors have equipment that's still able to be drawn by a horse so they could still keep fields mowed, cows fed, and make booze.
I live out in the sticks. When SHTF, well, we have a plan. They can all come to my house, or me to their house, and enjoy each other's company. It kind of helps that I'm in an unincorporated township - some 24 miles from even a small village and hundreds of miles from a real city. I've got enough supplies stored away, including licensed fuel tanks and a couple of hand pumps, so that I'll be inconvenienced but not really at risk. My neighbors probably all have similar and we'll be just fine. Hell, I've got radio equipment and enough hardware to make our own small internet. Somewhere, in the basement, I have an inbound call router - we'll be okay. :D
Electrons in a copper conductor travel a few cm per second (lets say a few inches).
Huh? You're saying that I can outrun electricity...
I have no idea what, exactly, happened but I had a strike near my house back in the early 2000s (lived elsewhere then). I lost a ton of data - hard drives were erased, just blank. Even floppy disks were erased. Not all of them but quite a few of them. It lit the whole area up in a bright blue, took out a tree that was right next to the house, and that was okay but I was really pissed with the loss of data. I had some backed up at the office but not everything. It made me back up and verify my backups more and I ended up changing the backup process at work as well.
I can only assume it was EMF/EMP type of thing. That seems most likely to me. The power surged and that killed a few things (even melted one of the surge protectors) and almost all of the data was gone - even from devices not powered on, even idle media like the old floppy disks. I ended up sending two disks off to a data recovery house (that was costly) and got some of the data back. I lost work from the late 80s and an absurd amount of porn and music (for that day and age). I was kind of surprised that it took out disks that weren't powered on, spinning, or even in a computer.
Insurance did not cover the data nor did they cover the data recovery house's expense. I think they called it an "act of god" or some shit. I had coverage and it paid for the tree, the damage done by the tree, and would have covered fire but my data was my own damned responsibility. I guess the good thing is that I learned better backup processes and haven't had that happen since.
I had to pay for new line and a CO in order to get DSL. A neighbor paid a little so that they'd extend it to them. However, I'd have just covered it but I'm glad they did. As I'm almost the furthest one out, it covers almost all of the six houses in the area. The good thing is that we're allowed to use any ISP that will service our area - the phone company can not restrict access. Prior to this they had dial-up at speeds around 20-22k.
If you're curious as to why I'd have covered it? I'm "from away" and retired to an unincorporated township in NW Maine. I'm not bashful, I'll buy favor. However, it was mostly because, at that point, it would have been a trivial addition to the expense and the neighborly thing to do.
Look, the other option was to get cowsay installed early and then make it moo and do a barrel role. (Or sl - everyone likes trains, right?) What's funny is that people think it was a botnet. *sighs* Drama on top of drama. Screenshots of the IRC commands are up on 4chan every once in a while - still. Post and someone may deliver. Or not... It was for the lulz, not for the hacking. This was discussed in the last thread. This was the absolute certain outcome - they would deny lulz for they are the killers of lulz.
y u no liek lulz?
This was not some sort of black hat hacking group. Well, not really. Someone kindly pointed out that IRC is allowed. The rest took care of itself. See the prior thread. It was done for lulz, not for black hat type of things. There wasn't even really a botnet, that I know of. Just a few people with big ol' list of proxies and a refresher in IRC scripting.
What's funny is this is being claimed as a botnet. It wasn't. They're the dumbasses that allow an IRC connection. It just needs a few like-minded individuals and a handful of proxies. Botnet... *sighs* They'll make anything seem worse than it is.
I've never had a stalker before. It kinda makes me ego swell. This is awesome! You should post more angry, ranty, messages. When I get time, later, I'll type out a novella just for you.
As stated elsewhere in this thread - I don't have any problems with it. I'd like to. I'd love to fit in and have something to rant and rave about. No, it just works. I learned a few new commands (some of them are useful). That is it. It hasn't borked anything, here. I 'administer' a number of servers and desktops but they're all my own. I'm not a professional and I don't stray too far from fairly typical use patterns.
We can only go by what they thought at the time. Just as they also felt it was just. What is truth is, well, subjective when it comes to reality. Using India as an example, they had one rules (very early on) who regularly chucked people into a hole in the middle of the city. If you were honest, he'd just chuck you in the hole. If you denied your offense then you got tortured and then chucked into the hole. 'Tis subjective. Just as you said. Which was, kind of, my point. They're not always like Abraham. I'm a Buddhist. (Not a good Buddhist, nor a fucking monk - I like that last part, I feel obligated to make sure that it's obvious.)
As for your question... Who knows if they're sane now? That's just too damned painful and I don't really have an answer. I'd argue that no sane person could commit such an offense and, if they could, we need to work on the definition of sanity. Also, you can be tried twice? I've Canadian citizenship but don't actually get in any trouble there so I'm entirely unfamiliar with the legal system. Here, you're found not guilty by way of insanity and that includes a caveat - in some cases. In some you're declared not fit enough to stand trial - which means when you are fit that you can be tried. If you're truly not guilty by way of insanity - where the court concludes the case and determines it as so, you're free to go when you're sane again - if you're sane again.
Interesting. I thought we could plot the movement of the stars back quite a ways? Can we not use that for a deterministic approach?
This is one thing that engineering can not, currently, completely resolve. It is my opinion that we need more educated drivers. With educated drivers, for instance, we'd never need a single stop sign.
And sure as hell not the good parts of Digital.
Actually, you *can* pay them to step-up their game... Companies pay all the time. Hell, they pay their own employees to work on the kernel. It's not even all that uncommon. I've had companies approach me to write custom plug-ins for a forum software that I use - and I'm quite happily retired. If you want something, pay for it indeed and you can pay for support for open source content. The best part is that it is open source - you can pay anyone you damned well please.
It looks like several have been 'verified' (assuming this is what you mean) since 2011.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I've only seen PikeOS in the wild - that I know of. I may well have interfaced with others but not known it. Contrary to popular belief, I do not, in fact, dig into the guts of everything. It is possible that I have not noticed any encounters.