Ofcourse machines vary but ive been using on and off evolution from the first release and yeah it has had its hellish days but since 0.8 come out it has been a pleasure. It crashes few times every now and then but nothing major has happened like mbox corruption ( that has happened in earlier releases ) and i have a tendency to donload cvs snapshots via redcarpet allmost daily.
Plain words, Evolution is the best email client for those who feel confortable with outlook express. Im happy. --
Also, inetd.conf has no way of providing information like permitted/rejected IPs.
Really ? Ok, that is true but most programs that are really required to be invoked from inetd are either compiled to use tcpd libs (for example, ssh imho) OR use the tcpd binary which provides mechanism for hosts.allow and host.deny and clearly you know these provide the described functionality. Ok, that leaves out the part of providing information of the use. Lets see how that can be managed.
When daemon spawns, let it be ftp or telnet, and connection is established you can see that from your logs. So, that clears the "allowed ip" part. So, what about denied connections. I can say that i didnt really require such things since i use FIREWALL to block unwanted connections. BUT, if firewalling is out of the questions, we can still rely on the hosts.allow and hosts.deny. For example, line like this in my hosts.allow
ALL : ALL : spawn (/usr/sbin/safe_finger -l @%h |/bin/mail -s "Port Denial note
d %d-%h" root) & : DENY
And ofcourse, i have listed all IP's that i allow connections from (in hosts.allow AND in firewall) and so if somehow someone manages to get past the packet filtering, i still get info about the suspicious activity.
... And all this without xinetd... Evolving because of stupidity leads nowhere.
I have been a cable subscriber in biggest finnish cable isp called HTV now for like 2 years. And yes, many people do report that cable lines are fast and i totally agree with them. I can ftp into ftp.funet.fi and pull the latest linux iso's at speed of 600k/s. But the speed varies! The thing is that allmost every major website and software distribution site is in States and that is a killer. HTV's foreign connections are so so so so bad. I even remember downloading IE from microsoft at 8k/s while same download come at 100k/s to my office T1 line. So, speed comparisements are that accurate when comparing a technology itself. Best way imho is to compare ISP's and their services to the user eg. what kind of services they can provide to the end-user.
But to my real point. As i said, i have had this cable isp for over year now (closing on to 2) and while most of the time i get decent speed while downloading stuff, all pings are horrible. I have never and i do mean never seen steady ping under 100ms except to the next hop in my traceroute to the world. No matter if the site im pinging is in Finland, or Sweden or States, pings can vary from 80-2000ms. Thou most usually its around 130-300ms. And the frigin packet loss. 10-35%. Man, try writing code thu ssh with packet loss of 30% and ping around 500 and you see how things are with cable connections (atleast in Finland & with HTV) (And yes, there is nothing wrong in cabling, all have been tested with good equipment)
As a comparisement, all finnish isp that support DSL service have much better reputation (infact, im going to work in one) and people have made websites out of their own experience with they have turned down their cable and ordered dsl lines. Here's some "downtime" statistics pages of people who use HTV cable line. First, Second and third one
For a bit of amusement, i must say that people are starting to act like those "cable subscribers" in that Pasific Bell DSL commercial (check out adcritic for laughs, and sorry, no linux there, its in *quicktime*). Well, when i first saw it, it made me laugh too but now, its so so real.
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If you dont find any good solution, you might consider buying a device that allows serial devices connected into lan. One example would be ex-Chaser's (now Perle) IOLAN products. With this kind of device you can hook up your serial magnetic card readers to the normal wall outlets thats used for networks but ofcourse instead of hooking the stuff to the switch/hub you connect it to the iolan. Then the rest of the stuff is pretty much peanuts depending what kind of functionality you need but in anycase you will be doing the software implementation yourself for your own needs.
One more thing about iolan. Its pretty neat when you get it to work. All ports in the device are shown to the lan as socket ports. Say, i have (and i do have) bank of modems connected to the thingie and i want to use one of them from any machine to dial out. "telnet iolan 10001" does the trick and voilã, i have really dump terminal at my disposal. Ofcourse there's software to have these ports accessible as devices in unix fs but atleast on SCO environment that we have, it hasnt been working really well.
Again, i have to say that stuff we use at our lineup aint *that* expensive. We have Welch Allyn decoders set up in dump vt510 terminals and whole stuff (Magnetic card reader, barcode reader (pen AND "laserbox") and decoder to go with that costs around 500$ (last time i checked our prices) --
Im not going to argue about this thing but to best of my knowledge,its spelled "punanny". Atleast on like 1000 dancehall singles that i have are titled punanny this punanny that. And Also, there's even a whole riddim album called Punanny Riddim where title track is named Punanny Medley;)
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Im the bling dog! Bun down battyman! Fiyah pon Vatican!
And while dollar costs around 6 fims (it used to be 4 fims few years ago), big trend for enduser prices to have 0 at the end of the price compared to us retail prices.
And if i want to buy one of these beasts outside of finland, customs will tax me to death, allthou i dont really consider buying one.
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How on earth a certified doctor say something like that. Memory has nothing to do with stupidness.
I consider non-stupidness or wiseness (how ever you define it) as the ability to use references and search the correct data and use it in the best way possible. Ofcourse basic knowledge requires some memorising but still, true ability to use brain is to explore and use stored data internal or external of our brain capacity.
And yeah, i do have really bad memory but i still can get past mensa tests. But sometimes forget my cow-orkers names. Am i stupid ? I dont think so...
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Well, you probably wont ready this anymore but lets say that you do..
What i meant is that cable, the cable that actually comes from isp and connects to my ethernet is shared. I didnt mean that ethernet is shared.
Next you go on babling about ethernet speed. Yes, i know what you meant but you fail to mention that the actual protocol puts restrictions to it too. Lets say for example tcpip network. Every package has a header that is size of n. Then you send 1000 packages. Now you have 1000 packages size of n in your network and that is limiting the actual speed of bytes transfered from host to another. Throw this scenery to network with other machines doing transfers, bandwidth is shared/downsized (in this example im talking about the ether). --
Am i missing something here ? Is that theoretical speed your own limited speed or theoretical max speed for cable modem ?
Im cable subscriber to finnish cable co called HTV which is no doupt suckiest ever even compared to @home in us. (=)) but still ive seen download speeds like >600kb/s. Well most of the time im happy if i even get 30-50kb/s but for example, if i happen to download new linux iso from funet i expect to see that 600kb/s. The top score ive got was from Edome (finnish game server/community website) and speed was 760kb/s !!! Thats double of your theoretical speed.
And you know what. My isp has said that theoretical speed of our cable modems is 30MB/s. Thats like 3000kb/s (ofcourse its slower than that but lets stick in theory) but 10MB ethernet cards and the fact that line is shared with others in the same segment restricts that quite much..
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Personally i dont know absolutely anything about commercial firewalls except some cheap soho fw's that ive tested but i remember reading just few days ago from/. comments that Nokia's Firewall-1 solutions are based on linux os and some hardware... This was mentioned in Nokia's mediaterminal thread.
Btw, i dont know if it's really known outside finland but Nokia started it's "Empire" in finland by manufacturing RUBBER BOOTS. I think they still do but businesses have been seperated to different companies;) --
We are using Welch Allyn decoders. You can attach magnetic card reader or barcode reader to this decoder and it is attached to keyboard so it works on any platform. Not really sure if this kind of thing should work for you, if you want to have one at the door or somewhere that grants you access the fact that it attaches itself between keyboard and the computer.
Other than that, they work really fine. I think we have been using Welch Allyn's hardware for allmost decade now without any kind of major problems.
These beasts work in way that they first send a prefix character to notify the underlying program that data is incoming from reader not the keyboard (this can be disable ofcourse), then the actual data let it be barcode or magnetic card stripe and then suffix to let program know that transmission is over. The actual program doesnt have any special requirements because it still sees incoming sequence as human punched it except ofcourse, it should change to appropriate field (in our case) when it sees the prefix char in keyboard buffer so that rest of the buffer is entered into correct place.
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B) Linux's stability won't play much of a part in this. Win2K is very stable, to the point where the average user (meaning one that shuts down at least once a week) won't be able to tell the difference.
Main os might be stable but application base isnt. For example, my company bought 6 dell inspiron laptops few weeks ago that came with w2k and ie crashes them atleast once a day. (And no, im the only techie and others are more or less below average users) --
First, your firewall should always be initialized before initializing the network interface, not after... initializing it after your network comes up means that there is a period (however small) that your machine is vulnerable (or, more vulnerable than it could be:o)
In environment that uses dhcp this is not easily done if you dont know what you are doing. First, when the firewall script starts, how do you know what your ip address is and thus, how do you know what kind of rules you wish to set if you are using ip based blocking ( not really sure if one can block packets from certain eth-adapter not just the ip address ). In such case, user has two possibilities.
The "unsecure way": just start your script when you know the acquired ip address.
The "secury way": Deny all packets except dhcp from the server, start the ether-device and after you have acquired the ip address, start the real rules.
(btw, im using the unsecure way, im not *that* paranoid)
Also, the faq titled one of te windows ssh clients wrong. Its Tera Term not Terra Term;) Anyway, it is *superb* vt emulator for windows. Wouldnt want to live without it + its free and comes with the source. (ssh comes as a plugin and im not familiar if it comes with source too)
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Not the language itself but the way it is used. Or do you think that Dickens and Shakespeare where the masters of the plot and cunning ? I havent read either of these authors but i still belive that they are "force read" because of the written language itself not the storyline. --
All i can see is that people are complaining that there aint this and that author on the Amazon list. Well quess what. We (finns and many many nations too that matter too) dont read Dickens or Shakespeare or anything like that in school and you know why ? Main audience for those authors are english speaking people because of their fancy language and how they use it. Now, when you compare this to the author like Tolkien, his work is totally independent from the language itself where the actual story is more important.
While keeping this in mind its much more easier to understand why international userbase of amazon has voted Tolkien to the top10 list, agreed ? --
>Being able to have Java on your cell phone
>actually serves some purpose (as opposed to a
>few other things cell phone makers have come up
>with).
With release like this you can run java on cellphone ? Really ? I thought this has allready be done, atleast in nokia's cellphones. Or what do you think about first nokia waphones (7110) writing "strange" java.net exceptions to its screen in some error situations ? Sounds pretty obvious that Nokia is running java allready even it seems to be out of users reach.
Did some search on this topic and Motorola is releasing new cellphones next month that allow users to write java for them. Check out this url for more info. Would be nice but im getting that new communicator when its out;)
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I have 100MB switched lan at office and i use vnc to access windows machine. I also run some gui stuff from remote unix machines on same lan (mainly sco & linux maintenance apps) and comparing these too, x still kicks vnc's ass in performance. Thou most if the windows are not running in 256 color mode and that dropping the palette to that, would be a speed increase.
And ofcourse, vnc submits all mouse movements and other stuff while x just sends just the actual events and the client side does the care of the rest which might be the reason why x still functions faster.
I remember reading that vnc was meant to be ran on ATM networks (correct me if im wrong).
So, while vnc is truely a great piece of software, it wont prolly solve the speed problems.
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Finnish linux distributions called "Best Linux" by Suomen Ohjelmisto Työ is allready selling their stripped distribution in kiosk chain called R-Kioski (Rautakirja OY). This chain can be found in *every* town and village where you have more than 200 people and i do really mean that.
So selling stuff on big departmentstores like Wal-Mart is no news at all for us, real techies! =)
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Im not a user that does anything with excel or word. Well, i use excel to store my music cd catalogue but that's just because that was the only software available at the time. So, cant say if word &/ excel is good.
But surely microsoft has released good software too. I've been a windows user from day when 3.0 was released. I did my first linux tryouts with 0.99 kernel base, i even remember compiling lilo to boot the frigin machine and from that day, what i have been really missing is good and clean email client. One thing is sure: There is not comparision (at the moment, lets see how Evolution evolves =) ) to Outlook Express or plain vanilla Outlook in *nix world. Plainly, they all suck, big time. Either they look really awfull (tcl/tk/console & KDE! based) and work or they look nice and doesnt work (gnome). I really really really hope that Evolution will fill the gap. Honest! =)
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Unstable ?
Ofcourse machines vary but ive been using on and off evolution from the first release and yeah it has had its hellish days but since 0.8 come out it has been a pleasure. It crashes few times every now and then but nothing major has happened like mbox corruption ( that has happened in earlier releases ) and i have a tendency to donload cvs snapshots via redcarpet allmost daily.
Plain words, Evolution is the best email client for those who feel confortable with outlook express. Im happy.
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Really ? Ok, that is true but most programs that are really required to be invoked from inetd are either compiled to use tcpd libs (for example, ssh imho) OR use the tcpd binary which provides mechanism for hosts.allow and host.deny and clearly you know these provide the described functionality. Ok, that leaves out the part of providing information of the use. Lets see how that can be managed.
When daemon spawns, let it be ftp or telnet, and connection is established you can see that from your logs. So, that clears the "allowed ip" part. So, what about denied connections. I can say that i didnt really require such things since i use FIREWALL to block unwanted connections. BUT, if firewalling is out of the questions, we can still rely on the hosts.allow and hosts.deny. For example, line like this in my hosts.allow
And ofcourse, i have listed all IP's that i allow connections from (in hosts.allow AND in firewall) and so if somehow someone manages to get past the packet filtering, i still get info about the suspicious activity.
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But to my real point. As i said, i have had this cable isp for over year now (closing on to 2) and while most of the time i get decent speed while downloading stuff, all pings are horrible. I have never and i do mean never seen steady ping under 100ms except to the next hop in my traceroute to the world. No matter if the site im pinging is in Finland, or Sweden or States, pings can vary from 80-2000ms. Thou most usually its around 130-300ms. And the frigin packet loss. 10-35%. Man, try writing code thu ssh with packet loss of 30% and ping around 500 and you see how things are with cable connections (atleast in Finland & with HTV) (And yes, there is nothing wrong in cabling, all have been tested with good equipment)
As a comparisement, all finnish isp that support DSL service have much better reputation (infact, im going to work in one) and people have made websites out of their own experience with they have turned down their cable and ordered dsl lines. Here's some "downtime" statistics pages of people who use HTV cable line. First, Second and third one
For a bit of amusement, i must say that people are starting to act like those "cable subscribers" in that Pasific Bell DSL commercial (check out adcritic for laughs, and sorry, no linux there, its in *quicktime*). Well, when i first saw it, it made me laugh too but now, its so so real.
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One more thing about iolan. Its pretty neat when you get it to work. All ports in the device are shown to the lan as socket ports. Say, i have (and i do have) bank of modems connected to the thingie and i want to use one of them from any machine to dial out. "telnet iolan 10001" does the trick and voilã, i have really dump terminal at my disposal. Ofcourse there's software to have these ports accessible as devices in unix fs but atleast on SCO environment that we have, it hasnt been working really well.
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Again, i have to say that stuff we use at our lineup aint *that* expensive. We have Welch Allyn decoders set up in dump vt510 terminals and whole stuff (Magnetic card reader, barcode reader (pen AND "laserbox") and decoder to go with that costs around 500$ (last time i checked our prices)
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Im the bling dog! Bun down battyman! Fiyah pon Vatican!
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And if i want to buy one of these beasts outside of finland, customs will tax me to death, allthou i dont really consider buying one.
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I consider non-stupidness or wiseness (how ever you define it) as the ability to use references and search the correct data and use it in the best way possible. Ofcourse basic knowledge requires some memorising but still, true ability to use brain is to explore and use stored data internal or external of our brain capacity.
And yeah, i do have really bad memory but i still can get past mensa tests. But sometimes forget my cow-orkers names. Am i stupid ? I dont think so...
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Well, you probably wont ready this anymore but lets say that you do.. What i meant is that cable, the cable that actually comes from isp and connects to my ethernet is shared. I didnt mean that ethernet is shared. Next you go on babling about ethernet speed. Yes, i know what you meant but you fail to mention that the actual protocol puts restrictions to it too. Lets say for example tcpip network. Every package has a header that is size of n. Then you send 1000 packages. Now you have 1000 packages size of n in your network and that is limiting the actual speed of bytes transfered from host to another. Throw this scenery to network with other machines doing transfers, bandwidth is shared/downsized (in this example im talking about the ether).
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Im cable subscriber to finnish cable co called HTV which is no doupt suckiest ever even compared to @home in us. (=)) but still ive seen download speeds like >600kb/s. Well most of the time im happy if i even get 30-50kb/s but for example, if i happen to download new linux iso from funet i expect to see that 600kb/s. The top score ive got was from Edome (finnish game server/community website) and speed was 760kb/s !!! Thats double of your theoretical speed.
And you know what. My isp has said that theoretical speed of our cable modems is 30MB/s. Thats like 3000kb/s (ofcourse its slower than that but lets stick in theory) but 10MB ethernet cards and the fact that line is shared with others in the same segment restricts that quite much..
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Personally i dont know absolutely anything about commercial firewalls except some cheap soho fw's that ive tested but i remember reading just few days ago from /. comments that Nokia's Firewall-1 solutions are based on linux os and some hardware... This was mentioned in Nokia's mediaterminal thread.
Btw, i dont know if it's really known outside finland but Nokia started it's "Empire" in finland by manufacturing RUBBER BOOTS. I think they still do but businesses have been seperated to different companies ;)
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We are using Welch Allyn decoders. You can attach magnetic card reader or barcode reader to this decoder and it is attached to keyboard so it works on any platform. Not really sure if this kind of thing should work for you, if you want to have one at the door or somewhere that grants you access the fact that it attaches itself between keyboard and the computer. Other than that, they work really fine. I think we have been using Welch Allyn's hardware for allmost decade now without any kind of major problems. These beasts work in way that they first send a prefix character to notify the underlying program that data is incoming from reader not the keyboard (this can be disable ofcourse), then the actual data let it be barcode or magnetic card stripe and then suffix to let program know that transmission is over. The actual program doesnt have any special requirements because it still sees incoming sequence as human punched it except ofcourse, it should change to appropriate field (in our case) when it sees the prefix char in keyboard buffer so that rest of the buffer is entered into correct place.
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B) Linux's stability won't play much of a part in this. Win2K is very stable, to the point where the average user (meaning one that shuts down at least once a week) won't be able to tell the difference.
Main os might be stable but application base isnt. For example, my company bought 6 dell inspiron laptops few weeks ago that came with w2k and ie crashes them atleast once a day. (And no, im the only techie and others are more or less below average users)
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As a fellow finn, the answer is clear. Thats how most of us are. Selfmocking yet friendly and so cudly and loveable! ;)
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In environment that uses dhcp this is not easily done if you dont know what you are doing. First, when the firewall script starts, how do you know what your ip address is and thus, how do you know what kind of rules you wish to set if you are using ip based blocking ( not really sure if one can block packets from certain eth-adapter not just the ip address ). In such case, user has two possibilities.
(btw, im using the unsecure way, im not *that* paranoid)
Also, the faq titled one of te windows ssh clients wrong. Its Tera Term not Terra Term ;) Anyway, it is *superb* vt emulator for windows. Wouldnt want to live without it + its free and comes with the source. (ssh comes as a plugin and im not familiar if it comes with source too)
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Not the language itself but the way it is used. Or do you think that Dickens and Shakespeare where the masters of the plot and cunning ? I havent read either of these authors but i still belive that they are "force read" because of the written language itself not the storyline.
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While keeping this in mind its much more easier to understand why international userbase of amazon has voted Tolkien to the top10 list, agreed ?
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Topic says it, thou, i dont think the source is available but the program is there for you to exploit^H^Hre it ;)
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>actually serves some purpose (as opposed to a
>few other things cell phone makers have come up
>with).
With release like this you can run java on cellphone ? Really ? I thought this has allready be done, atleast in nokia's cellphones. Or what do you think about first nokia waphones (7110) writing "strange" java.net exceptions to its screen in some error situations ? Sounds pretty obvious that Nokia is running java allready even it seems to be out of users reach.
Did some search on this topic and Motorola is releasing new cellphones next month that allow users to write java for them. Check out this url for more info. Would be nice but im getting that new communicator when its out ;)
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And ofcourse, vnc submits all mouse movements and other stuff while x just sends just the actual events and the client side does the care of the rest which might be the reason why x still functions faster.
I remember reading that vnc was meant to be ran on ATM networks (correct me if im wrong).
So, while vnc is truely a great piece of software, it wont prolly solve the speed problems.
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Lynx? Hell no!! Check out W3M, far more better than lynx, it can even render slashdot correctly.
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Finnish linux distributions called "Best Linux" by Suomen Ohjelmisto Työ is allready selling their stripped distribution in kiosk chain called R-Kioski (Rautakirja OY). This chain can be found in *every* town and village where you have more than 200 people and i do really mean that.
So selling stuff on big departmentstores like Wal-Mart is no news at all for us, real techies! =)
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Im not a user that does anything with excel or word. Well, i use excel to store my music cd catalogue but that's just because that was the only software available at the time. So, cant say if word &/ excel is good.
But surely microsoft has released good software too. I've been a windows user from day when 3.0 was released. I did my first linux tryouts with 0.99 kernel base, i even remember compiling lilo to boot the frigin machine and from that day, what i have been really missing is good and clean email client. One thing is sure: There is not comparision (at the moment, lets see how Evolution evolves =) ) to Outlook Express or plain vanilla Outlook in *nix world. Plainly, they all suck, big time. Either they look really awfull (tcl/tk/console & KDE! based) and work or they look nice and doesnt work (gnome). I really really really hope that Evolution will fill the gap. Honest! =)
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_o/ hip!
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Been there done that. Today its allmost impossible to find a normal bank office because they are getting shut down and the service fees on those that are still left are raising the service fees to the roof just because they are trying to get people do their banking online.
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