By that logic apple should say goodbye to you tube, gmail, google maps, google reader and all of their services
for the iphone....unless apple plan to roll iMail, iMaps,iReader,iTube....
Something has to give. Unlimited unchecked business expansionism will be a threat to all business
You know it makes kinda of sense if we take Col. Santiago's admonition to heart:
"Information, the first principle of warfare, must form the foundation of all your efforts. Know, of course, thine enemy. But in knowing him do not forget above all to know thyself. The commander who embraces this totality of battle shall win even with inferior force. "
Col. Corazon Santiago
Spartan Battle Manual
Only thing is that under this precept, denying information to your own citizens could be...you know...waging war upon them
That's called growing up. In the beggining users are just learning to use their devices, fine, but as they master them, there comes the question Apple wants to quash:...."I wonder if I can do xyz with my phone" where xyz can be anything you can think of. At that point they can be said to loose their innocence and start questioning and becoming more savy.
They don't have to be part of Nerdom to feel that something is amiss and that it should be corrected by any means necessary (jailbraking, changing brands, do a more through test run of devices next time they purchase, etc)
an appliance which has a processor, memory, accepts instructions in a computer language, accepts user interaction, creates outputs from inputs and has a display???...guess what a computer by that definition is an appliance, and hell will freeze first before I abdicate my powers as a developer to some corporation whith delusions of grandeur.
Saying that iDevices are "appliances" is an euphemism and apple-paganda just designed for apple and co to have their own cake and eat it too.
just my 2 cents..
sorry to repost as I tought I was already logged in.
i read in their web site about the porting to OS X and windows but can you explain this:
"The good news is, you can run KDE on OS X and Windows already, though not as your main Windowing environment."
How?
Same Old Europe....When it's others is arrogance, when it them it's reaffirming their cultural 'values' and way of doing things, in other words European arrogance
Have you all forgotten that Microsoft is an American corporation, and an embargo against MS is an embargo against the USA?.....I don't know why but the word "retaliation" comes to mind....
The how about the civil war in the incan empire before Pizarro arrived? Are they the product of an inocent culture?
And who did the Aztecs sacrificed? Their own citizens? Nooooo!!!! captured soldiers and civilians.
technology may differ , but the human heart has remained constant.
Degrading the art and science of programing will have an adverse effect on the developer community,for after all if all i have to do in order to make an app is do a little copy, cut and paste ms word style.....
Of course if this idea came from the management field, we could do the opposite....like this:
"see we have developed a new algorithm for managerial decisions which will cut prices and increase profits for the company, their hardware requirements are not high and can work 7/24 without a corporate VISA..." and let's see them after that...
So now it's freedom for the sake of....freedom?
isn't it obvious that the goal getting more freedom should be achieved in order for everybody to move on to a higher goal instead of riding the wave of popularity or to enforce a particular view?
I think it's already too late...the open source movement IS already balkanized. Not in a matter of licences, but in a matter of opinion, by the same people who should be their stewards.
another dream gone down in flames....
pity
Does Microsoft tie their OS to an expensive and (for some) unafordable computer?
What I'm talking about is a media perception. Creative vs Non Creative persons.
are you more creative or Cool or Hip because you use all incarnations of Apple products?
Don't mix market and strategic activities with the perception a corporation wants everybody to have to their products. Now if we were about to talk of ethics that would be another thing. Nobody forces you to use IE or Word or any other MS product BUT if the industry uses it then you simply have to.
Where I live the de facto OS and platform for publishing and that stuff is mac. Now by the common logic of MS force use to use XYZ product, Apple is forcing the industry here to use it. Why? It is a good product? Maybe maybe not but good or bad it fullfills a certain necesity. Why does the same logic apply to MS products?
It is after all a piece of software and not our modus vivendi.
But by the ads of apple in tv....
Although I own an iPod , I'm FED UP with apple's arrogance and elitism towards 'non creative, non original, PC' people!!!! (not that microsoft is the best example of corporate humility, but compared to apple....) I would want this to be a sucess, at least to put the pressure on apple.
Also we tend to loose focus and forget about the alternative....
a perpetual lock and chain with:
a. A company tha's strangling the market with a stiff licencing system - Microsoft
OR
b. A company that has a low marketshare (but growing) , that is SUPPOSED to look hip and cool but that is as stiff or worst than microsoft and the only reason why they haven't became stiffer is that they lack market share . -Apple
That there are stuff to be fixed of course there is but at least the people have SOMETHING.
Compared to Linux a glorified MP3 player is a triffle
(and by the way I own an iPod AND have managed to make it work with Ubuntu and it rocks)
I agree with this. Ubuntu (at least for me) is the closest the Linux world has for "Just Works", true, in order to install all of those codecs and apps to see my media I have to fool around with apt but it was worth it, my Laptop boots more quickly now, I can use all my media (DVD, USB pen drives, mouse, you name it) plus having to hunt around forums and reading material makes for a good experience and practice (by the way this configuring of the codecs took me just a few hours in Ubuntu (reading stuff and that), contrary to Fedora Core )
And besides...if I have something I can't manage with Ubuntu, in a dark corner of my Laptop's hard drive, in a prtition that shall remain nameless, lurks my Windows XP, so....
I know I may be hacked to pieces for asking this but here I go....
since I don't have a broadband connection to upgrade my previous version of Ubuntu (dial up is OUT of the question), is other way to upgrade to the new Ubuntu?
By the way I installed it on a HP Pavillion ZE4300 and it worked like a charm!!!! If this keeps going I'm seriously thinking of dumping Windows and give it a good "vista" of the recycle bin:)
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By that logic apple should say goodbye to you tube, gmail, google maps, google reader and all of their services for the iphone....unless apple plan to roll iMail, iMaps,iReader,iTube.... Something has to give. Unlimited unchecked business expansionism will be a threat to all business
Only thing is that under this precept, denying information to your own citizens could be ...you know...waging war upon them
That's called growing up. In the beggining users are just learning to use their devices, fine, but as they master them, there comes the question Apple wants to quash: ...."I wonder if I can do xyz with my phone" where xyz can be anything you can think of. At that point they can be said to loose their innocence and start questioning and becoming more savy.
They don't have to be part of Nerdom to feel that something is amiss and that it should be corrected by any means necessary (jailbraking, changing brands, do a more through test run of devices next time they purchase, etc)
an appliance which has a processor, memory, accepts instructions in a computer language, accepts user interaction, creates outputs from inputs and has a display??? ...guess what a computer by that definition is an appliance, and hell will freeze first before I abdicate my powers as a developer to some corporation whith delusions of grandeur.
Saying that iDevices are "appliances" is an euphemism and apple-paganda just designed for apple and co to have their own cake and eat it too.
just my 2 cents..
sorry to repost as I tought I was already logged in.
i read in their web site about the porting to OS X and windows but can you explain this: "The good news is, you can run KDE on OS X and Windows already, though not as your main Windowing environment." How?
Same Old Europe....When it's others is arrogance, when it them it's reaffirming their cultural 'values' and way of doing things, in other words European arrogance
"MS hasn't got a global off switch" ...Not that we know of....(click)
Have you all forgotten that Microsoft is an American corporation, and an embargo against MS is an embargo against the USA?.....I don't know why but the word "retaliation" comes to mind....
The how about the civil war in the incan empire before Pizarro arrived? Are they the product of an inocent culture? And who did the Aztecs sacrificed? Their own citizens? Nooooo!!!! captured soldiers and civilians. technology may differ , but the human heart has remained constant.
give them time......
Degrading the art and science of programing will have an adverse effect on the developer community,for after all if all i have to do in order to make an app is do a little copy, cut and paste ms word style..... Of course if this idea came from the management field, we could do the opposite....like this: "see we have developed a new algorithm for managerial decisions which will cut prices and increase profits for the company, their hardware requirements are not high and can work 7/24 without a corporate VISA..." and let's see them after that...
So now it's freedom for the sake of....freedom? isn't it obvious that the goal getting more freedom should be achieved in order for everybody to move on to a higher goal instead of riding the wave of popularity or to enforce a particular view? I think it's already too late...the open source movement IS already balkanized. Not in a matter of licences, but in a matter of opinion, by the same people who should be their stewards. another dream gone down in flames.... pity
Does Microsoft tie their OS to an expensive and (for some) unafordable computer? What I'm talking about is a media perception. Creative vs Non Creative persons. are you more creative or Cool or Hip because you use all incarnations of Apple products? Don't mix market and strategic activities with the perception a corporation wants everybody to have to their products. Now if we were about to talk of ethics that would be another thing. Nobody forces you to use IE or Word or any other MS product BUT if the industry uses it then you simply have to. Where I live the de facto OS and platform for publishing and that stuff is mac. Now by the common logic of MS force use to use XYZ product, Apple is forcing the industry here to use it. Why? It is a good product? Maybe maybe not but good or bad it fullfills a certain necesity. Why does the same logic apply to MS products? It is after all a piece of software and not our modus vivendi. But by the ads of apple in tv....
Amen!!!
Although I own an iPod , I'm FED UP with apple's arrogance and elitism towards 'non creative, non original, PC' people!!!! (not that microsoft is the best example of corporate humility, but compared to apple....)
I would want this to be a sucess, at least to put the pressure on apple.
Also we tend to loose focus and forget about the alternative.... a perpetual lock and chain with: a. A company tha's strangling the market with a stiff licencing system - Microsoft OR b. A company that has a low marketshare (but growing) , that is SUPPOSED to look hip and cool but that is as stiff or worst than microsoft and the only reason why they haven't became stiffer is that they lack market share . -Apple That there are stuff to be fixed of course there is but at least the people have SOMETHING. Compared to Linux a glorified MP3 player is a triffle (and by the way I own an iPod AND have managed to make it work with Ubuntu and it rocks)
So its FreedroidRPG all over again.... Check it out, http://freedroid.sourceforge.net/
I agree with this. Ubuntu (at least for me) is the closest the Linux world has for "Just Works", true, in order to install all of those codecs and apps to see my media I have to fool around with apt but it was worth it, my Laptop boots more quickly now, I can use all my media (DVD, USB pen drives, mouse, you name it) plus having to hunt around forums and reading material makes for a good experience and practice (by the way this configuring of the codecs took me just a few hours in Ubuntu (reading stuff and that), contrary to Fedora Core ) And besides...if I have something I can't manage with Ubuntu, in a dark corner of my Laptop's hard drive, in a prtition that shall remain nameless, lurks my Windows XP, so....
Or even make an improved UI.... With Ubuntu it's posible, and any way, Apple eye candy IS a little bit overrrated...
Thank you very much!!!! It worked like a charm!!!! so this is it, Windows WILL get a "Vista" to the recycle bin :)
Cheers!!
I know I may be hacked to pieces for asking this but here I go.... since I don't have a broadband connection to upgrade my previous version of Ubuntu (dial up is OUT of the question), is other way to upgrade to the new Ubuntu? By the way I installed it on a HP Pavillion ZE4300 and it worked like a charm!!!! If this keeps going I'm seriously thinking of dumping Windows and give it a good "vista" of the recycle bin :)