"Oh, so you are telling us we have to play fair in your city?"
"That's right."
"Oh, ok. Then we are leaving. We will be waiting here when you... want us to come back."
"If they took the time to understand how our government actually works, they probably would be outraged at the regulatory power wielded by unelected agencies -- most attorneys I know are!"
You mean the demons are mad that the devil is having all the fun? [/Lawyer joke]
Isn't it kind of hard to do that when Mecca isn't a magnetic pole? It could be one way or another depending on where you are... I guess they would have to have asian and westen ones...
I much perfer "some-moron-is-buying-stuff-with-my-money-and-i-am -going-to-get-blamed-all-because-some-stupid-compa ny-can't-use-blowfish-i-hate-this".
As in the "some" that is made by Apple and the rare ones that work by chance.
Just like Windows only works on some hardware.
I can install windows (XP) on just about any x86 computer from the last 6 years with no issues at all. Longer then that if you can put up with some slow speeds. How many computers can you install Mac OS on?
You're not going to be able to install XP on a 286.
A 16 bit CPU? Next you are going to want Windows to install on a toaster, I guess.
There's no DRM to prevent you from doing this - which is the topic of discussion.
Really? So you are telling me, over less then 4 revs of hardware, the Mac OS STOPS RUNNING COMPLEATLY due to technical reasons? If so, then you have a whole different and worse issue!
What does this have to do with DRM? This is common to many OSes, not just Apple. Some applications take advantage of different OS features.
100% of other OSes I have used were built so that applications would keep working over one or two OS updates. Vista is just now removing 16-bit application support, and Linux can support damn near anything you throw at it if you know what you are doing. I haven't exactly used Solaris or such, but that's beside the issue.
But most applications I have are available in versions for many different MacOS versions.
That's easy when most of them are MADE by Apple. I don't exactly use Macs much, but I can tell you are at least going to be buying new software with each update. I guess this is why Photoshop comes out with new versions that add very little...
Theres' no DRM preventing people from wiriting their apps for older or newer versions.
Perhaps not in this case, per say, but it is trickiness alla Microsoft.
But only Intel and AMD do. Not much of an improvement.
I wasn't talking about CPUs or even motherboards (that there are tons of people who make). I was talking about COMPUTERS. Can you get a Mac (as in, runs OSX without any hacking) that ISN'T made by Apple? No? See my point?
But MacOS also runs on x86 systems made by others.
Maybe slightly, but I have yet to see any non-Apple computer run it without a fight, normally based on overcoming the Apple hardware lock-ins (ie, DRM). If it's so easy, care to show me the masses of people who have done it? An os as good as people say OSX is would be taken up very fast, IF it really worked out of the box on common hardware...
Windows doesn't run on PowerPC hardware made by anybody.
Back to the toaster? Windows and OSX both don't run on SPARC. There isn't any masses of people calling for PPC Windows, and as such there isn't any.
And what does any of this have to do with DRM?
That there is very little technical difference between a Mac running X Intel CPU and a PC running X Intel CPU, yet somehow it fails to work on it. DRM or defective by design, doesn't really change much, I still can't run OSX on most of my powerful windows/linux PCs.
You do get many points for being able to read my awfully formated post, though.
Gee you don't ask much. Just that game developers abandon their existing code base and totally retrain their programmers, just to sell a few games to people who represent a tiny portion of the market.
You mean like they are doing with DX10 and vista?
Again, there's no incentive to do that as long as those platforms represent a tiny percentage of the market
Not so much as you may think. How large a percent of the windows market will buy a given game, seeing as there are so many windows games? Now think that the linux/bsd markets have near zero competition for anyone who sells to them. Big difference between people who use an OS and people who will buy games for that OS.
Except 220 V / 50 Hz AC would take a ton of new hardware. Building a website right takes one competent programmer who will probably cost the same as one incompetent programmer.
"OK, let's assume this was true - how is Apple worse with DRM? Microsoft applies DRM to more products, and the DRM is more restrictive than Apple's."
Itunes is small then Windows? And I can install OSX on any compatible (see x86) computer without any type of restructions? Where do I sign up for this magical deal??
"Yes, it can. It has happened to many people. As has the "Windows Genuine Advantage" problem of the DRM system falsely identifying your system as a pirated copy. MacOS does none of this."
Yes, they just have where you are forced to buy a new OS to run new(er) apps and that older OSes refuse to run on newer hardware. Microsoft learned this from Apple (DX10) but Apple still gets the points for coming up with it.
"How is it any worse than Windows tying you exclusively to x86 processors? At least Apple supports the PowerPC platform as well. Also, as said earlier, many people have run MacOS X on non-Apple boxes."
Simple. Anyone is free to make x86(_64) hardware. Only Apple can make a mac. You are comparing boxes and pop cans.
Yet I am sure you jump at every chance you get to flame Microsoft (not that I don't) and Linux. Heck you just DID! How mighty white of you to show that it's OK to flame one group of users while defending another.
Kind of reminds me of the jews that ran to the USSR in WWII... why can't they just be told to use Mandrake or Ubuntu? Better then getting them locked into someone else, who is actualy worse as far as DRM goes then MS. At least MS doens't have hardware control.
Save an iso image and mount it. Or reburn it... I think you can change the region in the ISO. There may also be a way to hack the hardware into being all regions (ie DVD-rom BIOS flash).
Uranium-238 generates no alpha-radiation, it generates BETA radiation. You know, same stuff that the Potassium in you generates. U-238 is about as unsafe as lead for the same reasons (being a heavy metal), but radiation is not one.
Sounds like you feel for the old trick of asking for the universe and settling for the solar system. If we say "oh, no it's not that unconstitutional" then it's saying "sure, load us up".
"This almost pisses me off as much as calling copyright infringement 'piracy'."
I am as anti-copyright as can be, but I love the term piracy. It sounds so... h4x0r. I mean, look at even the RIAA; the term has CLEARLY backfired, since I rarely see them call it "piracy" anymore but rather "theft". Nether is descriptive, but many people think of "piracy" as cool guys with eye patches sailing around shooting cannons at people and I have no problem with people connecting that image with violating copyrights.
It could have a great subliminal effect in time. You just need to better understand propaganda and see that the RIAA has taken notice the term failed by avoiding it's use.
"I have no love for the music industry, but I don't think we should ignore certain forms of illegal activity simply because we don't agree with the enforcement approach taken by it's sponsors."
So you propose we all help enforce unjust laws passed by the rich and corrupt politicians just because they happen to be laws? No, that's not going to happen. It's your duty as a good citizen to stand up against this, not to give in and help them do it. Sadly there are few good citizens in the world today willing to put their livelihood on the line for what right. The technical community has a good position to do this with little direct response. I say we use it for all it's worth.
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Mod parent up! I wish I had mod points left...
Just see how that idea works out.
"Oh, so you are telling us we have to play fair in your city?"
"That's right."
"Oh, ok. Then we are leaving. We will be waiting here when you... want us to come back."
"If they took the time to understand how our government actually works, they probably would be outraged at the regulatory power wielded by unelected agencies -- most attorneys I know are!"
You mean the demons are mad that the devil is having all the fun? [/Lawyer joke]
3d rendering (blender/3ds): 100% CPU on both cores.
Most games: 100% video card.
Only thing I don't make full use of is ram.
Better luck next time.
Isn't it kind of hard to do that when Mecca isn't a magnetic pole? It could be one way or another depending on where you are... I guess they would have to have asian and westen ones...
"A better term would be 'credit fraud'."
m -going-to-get-blamed-all-because-some-stupid-compa ny-can't-use-blowfish-i-hate-this".
I much perfer "some-moron-is-buying-stuff-with-my-money-and-i-a
Not so much as you may think. How large a percent of the windows market will buy a given game, seeing as there are so many windows games? Now think that the linux/bsd markets have near zero competition for anyone who sells to them. Big difference between people who use an OS and people who will buy games for that OS.
YOU forgot
6.5) ?????
You can't profit without the unknown!!1!11!!1111!!11!!
Except 220 V / 50 Hz AC would take a ton of new hardware. Building a website right takes one competent programmer who will probably cost the same as one incompetent programmer.
"OK, let's assume this was true - how is Apple worse with DRM? Microsoft applies DRM to more products, and the DRM is more restrictive than Apple's." Itunes is small then Windows? And I can install OSX on any compatible (see x86) computer without any type of restructions? Where do I sign up for this magical deal?? "Yes, it can. It has happened to many people. As has the "Windows Genuine Advantage" problem of the DRM system falsely identifying your system as a pirated copy. MacOS does none of this." Yes, they just have where you are forced to buy a new OS to run new(er) apps and that older OSes refuse to run on newer hardware. Microsoft learned this from Apple (DX10) but Apple still gets the points for coming up with it. "How is it any worse than Windows tying you exclusively to x86 processors? At least Apple supports the PowerPC platform as well. Also, as said earlier, many people have run MacOS X on non-Apple boxes." Simple. Anyone is free to make x86(_64) hardware. Only Apple can make a mac. You are comparing boxes and pop cans.
Thank you, I try.
Yet I am sure you jump at every chance you get to flame Microsoft (not that I don't) and Linux. Heck you just DID! How mighty white of you to show that it's OK to flame one group of users while defending another.
Kind of reminds me of the jews that ran to the USSR in WWII... why can't they just be told to use Mandrake or Ubuntu? Better then getting them locked into someone else, who is actualy worse as far as DRM goes then MS. At least MS doens't have hardware control.
Save an iso image and mount it. Or reburn it... I think you can change the region in the ISO. There may also be a way to hack the hardware into being all regions (ie DVD-rom BIOS flash).
Uranium-238 generates no alpha-radiation, it generates BETA radiation. You know, same stuff that the Potassium in you generates. U-238 is about as unsafe as lead for the same reasons (being a heavy metal), but radiation is not one.
Someone needs to remind this guy that drinking water is not needed to make Hydrogen. We have a whole sea of suitable materials.
Sounds like you feel for the old trick of asking for the universe and settling for the solar system. If we say "oh, no it's not that unconstitutional" then it's saying "sure, load us up".
"This almost pisses me off as much as calling copyright infringement 'piracy'."
I am as anti-copyright as can be, but I love the term piracy. It sounds so... h4x0r. I mean, look at even the RIAA; the term has CLEARLY backfired, since I rarely see them call it "piracy" anymore but rather "theft". Nether is descriptive, but many people think of "piracy" as cool guys with eye patches sailing around shooting cannons at people and I have no problem with people connecting that image with violating copyrights.
It could have a great subliminal effect in time. You just need to better understand propaganda and see that the RIAA has taken notice the term failed by avoiding it's use.
Argh. Way to ruin the joke, slashdotswebsite. That odd space is suposed to be the symbol for Pi...
I just had a breakthrough myself! I found the full value of Pi: . It's been right here the whole time! Who knew?
"I have no love for the music industry, but I don't think we should ignore certain forms of illegal activity simply because we don't agree with the enforcement approach taken by it's sponsors."
So you propose we all help enforce unjust laws passed by the rich and corrupt politicians just because they happen to be laws? No, that's not going to happen. It's your duty as a good citizen to stand up against this, not to give in and help them do it. Sadly there are few good citizens in the world today willing to put their livelihood on the line for what right. The technical community has a good position to do this with little direct response. I say we use it for all it's worth.
1. Make your weak, long ranged laws strong but short ranged.
2. Back stab people and extend them with the DMCA 2.0.
3. The RIAA profits (you don't).
Your point being? ;)
But seriously, this sounds like a violation of SOME trade agreement. Not everything people in your country use can be taxed all the time.
I don't know really... it could work I guess. A new type of civil disobedience for a new age?