Couldn't you manufacture cheaply in Vietnam, Bangladesh or Africa, or Latin America as well?
1. all these countries also violate intellectual properties leftandright. All developing countries, including the USA itself, violate intellectual propertiesen mass during the early days of its industrialization. (And they will all become patent trolls once they become developed.) 2. like the US, China has entered an era post low-end manufacturing and therefore boost its intellectual propertyprotection as a way to move up the economic food chain. This is the real reason the US is so afraid of China now: once China plays the same IP games, the US will lose its competitive advantages. 3. many of those other countries, including those "democratic" ones, are more corrupted than the "communist" China.
You don't hear much about IP violations, or corruption, or human rights violation in those other countries or the US itself simply because China is currently the main arch-rival of the US and the West world.
I believe you meant to say "Whattabout" the unrelated 30+ year old issue you're bringing up now to distract, right? Stick to the script, the handlers wrote it carefully.
Maybe you are the one having reading difficulty. The first sentence said:
German media reports suggest the country's spy agency BND collected data on European firms at the behest of the US National Security Agency.
And in NYT link of the Intercept report:
In each of these cases, American officials insist, when speaking off the record, that the United States was never acting on behalf of specific American companies. But the government does not deny it routinely spies to advance American economic advantage, which is part of its broad definition of how it protects American national security. In short, the officials say, while the N.S.A. cannot spy on Airbus and give the results to Boeing, it is free to spy on European or Asian trade negotiators and use the results to help American trade officials — and, by extension, the American industries and workers they are trying to bolster.
So the differences are 1. some Chinese companies may spy on American companies; some of them may be state-owned. All of above are according to some US agencies who also told us that Iraq had WMDs. (Also note: "state-owned" in China is no more relevant than the US Treasure holding huge amount of shares in GM.) 2. whereas the US agencies are spying on Chinese and European business as a government operation for advancing US economic advantages. And that's shown by leaked documents and sources.
If robots can take ALL jobs (in relatively short period of time,) then human race will be liberated from labor, products and services will cost next to nothing, and people can do whatever they like or just vacationing all year round. The problem is that robots take only incrementally more and more jobs but slowly. So on one hand, increasing number of people have no work and no income, yet at the same time, the demand for those other jobs such as healthcare or elder cares are not decreasing, but yet people are not willing to pay for those jobs still requiring human (because those other people needing the services have no jobs.)
the differences are that 1. accusations against China were propagated by the US cybersecurity and spying industry, whereas the accusations against US were proven by leaked documents. 2. the US is hypocritical whereas China or anyone else outside of American allies are not.
The report recommends “a multi-pronged, systematic effort to gather open source and proprietary information through overt means, clandestine penetration (through physical and cyber means), and counterintelligence” (emphasis added). In particular, the DNI’s report envisions “cyber operations” to penetrate “covert centers of innovation” such as R&D facilities.
The level of American hypocrisy makes me vomit every day.
So how do the Americans actually figure out the real names of the two hackers without either hacking and spying China? It is not that hackers like to leave their real name around.
Or maybe they should be charged with selling WMDs to Iraq instead. That would foll us to spend a couple trillion dollars last time.
That's purely opinions from you and your mainstream media, since there has been zero real proof that China hijacked westerners as a retaliation or for negotiation, as in the form of actual announcements or leaked documents. Whereas, in this case the POTUS openly calls for such a nasty tactic. Why don't you think that westerners violating Chinese laws unimaginable? People violate laws all the time, just like the US judicial system has also wrongful thrown thousands of innocents into jail.
you already know what China does every minute of every day. They are not trustworthy, do not play fair, and do not hold their word.
I don't know if China has trustworthy or not. I only know that Americans have been scammed of a trillion dollars by falsified and exaggerated claims of WMDs in Iraq. Why you likely to be deceived again and again by the cyber security + military industry complex is beyond me.
N-Korea likely is of higher class than this. They at least worked hard to developed nuclear bombs and missiles that prove its worthiness on the negotiation table. (They have jailed some Americans, one end up dead; but as far as we have been told by the press, there was zero proof that they used these prisoners as bargaining chip in any negotiation; we may insist that's the case, but that's purely opinion, whereas we have the POTUS openly calling for such tactic here.)
Why? The charges against her are as real as they have been.
Nobody told you that there is NO formal charge against her so far, only a provisional charge? And if the news reporting is right, this case was dated back to 2009-2014. Not to mention this whole Iran sanction thing is a falsified accusation without any backing from the UN.
Of course, now she's a hostage. Whether there will be a charge made up depending on how China responds.
It is apparent the real terrorist state is not Iran but the US.
1. Can't compete with Huawei 5G. 2. Can't get real advantage as claimed by Donald's tweets 3. Made up and exaggerated accusation as before the Iraq War. 4. Held the daughter of a VIP as hostage for negotiation.
Sounds like a plot from terrorist country like Iran.
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Couldn't you manufacture cheaply in Vietnam, Bangladesh or Africa, or Latin America as well?
1. all these countries also violate intellectual properties left and right. All developing countries, including the USA itself, violate intellectual propertiesen mass during the early days of its industrialization. (And they will all become patent trolls once they become developed.)
2. like the US, China has entered an era post low-end manufacturing and therefore boost its intellectual property protection as a way to move up the economic food chain. This is the real reason the US is so afraid of China now: once China plays the same IP games, the US will lose its competitive advantages.
3. many of those other countries, including those "democratic" ones, are more corrupted than the "communist" China.
You don't hear much about IP violations, or corruption, or human rights violation in those other countries or the US itself simply because China is currently the main arch-rival of the US and the West world.
Let's get help from a puppet state of ours.
So you're going to "Whattabout" in the open now, Ivan?
"Whattabout" Ivan.
Hey look it's Ivan-Hackingbear with more FUD
More FUD on WMDs? Absolutely!
I believe you meant to say "Whattabout" the unrelated 30+ year old issue you're bringing up now to distract, right? Stick to the script, the handlers wrote it carefully.
"Whattabout" hypocrisy.
Looks like someone can't get any succession from trade talks in Beijing.
In the other news, Iraq is suspected to possess large amount of Weapons of Mass Destruction.
Maybe you are the one having reading difficulty. The first sentence said:
German media reports suggest the country's spy agency BND collected data on European firms at the behest of the US National Security Agency.
And in NYT link of the Intercept report:
In each of these cases, American officials insist, when speaking off the record, that the United States was never acting on behalf of specific American companies. But the government does not deny it routinely spies to advance American economic advantage, which is part of its broad definition of how it protects American national security. In short, the officials say, while the N.S.A. cannot spy on Airbus and give the results to Boeing, it is free to spy on European or Asian trade negotiators and use the results to help American trade officials — and, by extension, the American industries and workers they are trying to bolster.
So the differences are
1. some Chinese companies may spy on American companies; some of them may be state-owned. All of above are according to some US agencies who also told us that Iraq had WMDs. (Also note: "state-owned" in China is no more relevant than the US Treasure holding huge amount of shares in GM.)
2. whereas the US agencies are spying on Chinese and European business as a government operation for advancing US economic advantages. And that's shown by leaked documents and sources.
Resorting to personal attack is a symptom of paranoia and hysteria.
Here's the evidence.
oh.. yeah, then they don't need to go the more obscure way.
If robots can take ALL jobs (in relatively short period of time,) then human race will be liberated from labor, products and services will cost next to nothing, and people can do whatever they like or just vacationing all year round. The problem is that robots take only incrementally more and more jobs but slowly. So on one hand, increasing number of people have no work and no income, yet at the same time, the demand for those other jobs such as healthcare or elder cares are not decreasing, but yet people are not willing to pay for those jobs still requiring human (because those other people needing the services have no jobs.)
LOL, is there a requirement that leaked documents must be published by press of the same country? Where did Ed Snowden fret to and holes up still? LOL
the differences are that
1. accusations against China were propagated by the US cybersecurity and spying industry, whereas the accusations against US were proven by leaked documents.
2. the US is hypocritical whereas China or anyone else outside of American allies are not.
The reason the US government doesn't steal foreign tech
Except the US government has done exactly that:
The report recommends “a multi-pronged, systematic effort to gather open source and proprietary information through overt means, clandestine penetration (through physical and cyber means), and counterintelligence” (emphasis added). In particular, the DNI’s report envisions “cyber operations” to penetrate “covert centers of innovation” such as R&D facilities.
The level of American hypocrisy makes me vomit every day.
We can continue to provide government subsidies, charge high import tariff on farm products to make sure the farm industry can replace workers with robots, while blaming China for the lost jobs.
So how do the Americans actually figure out the real names of the two hackers without either hacking and spying China? It is not that hackers like to leave their real name around.
Or maybe they should be charged with selling WMDs to Iraq instead. That would foll us to spend a couple trillion dollars last time.
Of course China is really big on enforcing Patent Infringement isn't it ?
Why not? Very soon, Americans will be complaining about Chinese patent trolls.
The United States used to violate other countries' intellectual properties left and right, after it developed its industry and economy, the U.S. developed into the patent trolling business.
China does this with some frequency to westerners
That's purely opinions from you and your mainstream media, since there has been zero real proof that China hijacked westerners as a retaliation or for negotiation, as in the form of actual announcements or leaked documents. Whereas, in this case the POTUS openly calls for such a nasty tactic. Why don't you think that westerners violating Chinese laws unimaginable? People violate laws all the time, just like the US judicial system has also wrongful thrown thousands of innocents into jail.
you already know what China does every minute of every day. They are not trustworthy, do not play fair, and do not hold their word.
I don't know if China has trustworthy or not. I only know that Americans have been scammed of a trillion dollars by falsified and exaggerated claims of WMDs in Iraq. Why you likely to be deceived again and again by the cyber security + military industry complex is beyond me.
this is straight out of the N-Korean playbook
N-Korea likely is of higher class than this. They at least worked hard to developed nuclear bombs and missiles that prove its worthiness on the negotiation table. (They have jailed some Americans, one end up dead; but as far as we have been told by the press, there was zero proof that they used these prisoners as bargaining chip in any negotiation; we may insist that's the case, but that's purely opinion, whereas we have the POTUS openly calling for such tactic here.)
There is precedent (loads of it) for exchange prisoners during a war, since the laws in play are completely different.
Except that China has not taken a hostage first.
Only a terrorist state would take the first hostage, outside of a battle field, on fake charge.
Why? The charges against her are as real as they have been.
Nobody told you that there is NO formal charge against her so far, only a provisional charge? And if the news reporting is right, this case was dated back to 2009-2014. Not to mention this whole Iran sanction thing is a falsified accusation without any backing from the UN.
Of course, now she's a hostage. Whether there will be a charge made up depending on how China responds.
It is apparent the real terrorist state is not Iran but the US.
Why would you believe a government that scammed you a trillion dollars by falsifying claims of Iraq WMDs, that was shown to spying on China, their own "friends", and you, and that hijacked a hostage for negotiation just last week?
typo: "Hostage"
1. Can't compete with Huawei 5G.
2. Can't get real advantage as claimed by Donald's tweets
3. Made up and exaggerated accusation as before the Iraq War.
4. Held the daughter of a VIP as hostage for negotiation.
Sounds like a plot from terrorist country like Iran.
Holding as a hostage for negotiation. I thought only terrorists think of this trick and a not a country that say "In God We Trust"?