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President Trump To Use Huawei CFO As a Bargaining Chip (politico.com)
hackingbear shares a report from Politico, adding: "This fuels the suspicion that the Chinese executive is held as a hostage for the ongoing trade negotiation with China." From the report: President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that he reserved the right to weigh in on the Justice Department's case against the CFO of Huawei, if it would help him close a trade deal with Beijing or would serve other American national security interests. "If I think it's good for what will be certainly the largest trade deal ever made -- which is a very important thing -- what's good for national security -- I would certainly intervene if I thought it was necessary," Trump told Reuters. Trump added that President Xi Jinping of China had not called him about the case, but that the White House had been in touch with both the Justice Department and Chinese officials. Huawei's CFO, Meng Wanzhou, was arrested in Canada earlier this month at the request of American authorities, who allege that she violated U.S. sanctions against Iran. Yesterday, a Vancouver judge ruled that Meng would be released on a $7.5 million bail if she remains in British Columbia.
That seems like a pretty unhealthy precedent to set.
Too funny. This news is so yesterday
This seems like a dangerous/crazy step to take. How does this type of negotiation tactic end? (ie - has someone thought out the likely reactions and steps the Other Side is likely to take?) What's to stop other countries from following suit?
Traditional diplomacy rested on a sort of 'gentleman's agreement'. While some of that diplomacy took forever and yielded less than we wished, at least (on the surface) it was civilized and seemed to prevent harm. Our current course could get unpleasant quickly.
Or am I just overthinking this?
they do not use people as bargaining chips, which is hilarious since Trump as chief Executive is the head of the Justice Dept (yeah, yeah, I know it's "non-partisan", tell me another one and say hi to the Attorney General he fired for not playing ball). The real damage Trump has done was to the rule of law in America.
Thing is, his poll numbers haven't budge an inch (according to 538, which is usually right). He's a true Demagogue. Nothing he does or says makes his base second guess him. The GOP is even trying to get him to go after Social Security and Medicare, with the assumption being that he could do it without taking any damage politically. And you know what? I think they're right. Fortunately he's said no (so far).
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Couldn't we all see this coming from..you know, space? Of course Trump will use this Exec as a bargining chip. My concern is that it'll just blow up in his face, but he won't be the one who feels the brunt of the pain from the events that unfold.
This is Slashdot, right?
I deny that I have not avoided attaining the opposite of that which I do not want.
The Chinese might think we'll treat her like they treat Western prisoners.
Let's take political hostages!! That's what MAGA is all about am I right?! Guys???
the united states of america doesn't negotiate with terrorists....
oh, wait. it would help if we didn't already have one in the fucking white house.
After US president said she will not have a fair trial, perhaps Meng Wanzhou's lawyers have a good point for arguing against extradition in Canadian courts.
...then you better promise to buy more of our shitty automobiles.
So the deal is that apparently the arrest of the executive was actually a Deep State action meant to *hurt* Trump as he negotiated with China, it was done without his knowledge and he was pissed.
What you are seeing now is recovery action by Trump to at least make use of the situation others have put him in.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
No Shit Sherlock, Trump is looking for leverage. He doesn't care how much damage he causes, as long as he gets what he wants and someone else has to pay for the damage.
Mandatory clarification.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
... I hope China takes hostages in retaliation. The new term this presidential cycle is, "Chickenshit Politics."
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Huawei should be prosecuted and they belatedly just steal technology. I used to work for Cisco. Our binary files for 2600 series switches would run fine on their devices! If thatâ(TM)s not outright theft, I donâ(TM)t know what is. Time for the chickens to come home to roost!
is their downfall. What a good scheme... until u mention it. ROFL.... post it in a tweet... lol
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Hmm . . . What about the Pacific Northwest & California's long-term house values? Maybe the wealth management funds should take a look at the future of major west coast home builders. With fickle leadership, what's in it for the rich Chinese expats/second home owners?
He's been mixing trade, military, law, and personal business ever since he got into office. And you wonder why the turnover is so high.
Table-ized A.I.
if you treat women like they are human you might not die a virgin.
Wow, how long before we have US executives traveling abroad being held in foreign prisons for similar ransom?
their poll numbers say otherwise. Can you just imagine the shit storm if Obama pulled this crap? Take everything Trump's done for the last 2 years, put it down on paper, CTL-R / Trump / Obama and run a poll and see what kind of numbers you get.
My point is his base has stopped thinking and they're just feeling. Trump feels _good_. He tells them what they want to hear. He gives them simple answers to complex problems. It's classic demagoguery just like Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Mussolini did. Trump's not violent like them, he just like attention. So he'll fade into the background when his time's up.
Trump's paving the way for a real dictator. We, and most definately Trump's base (who've been crying about FEMA death camps since Obama got elected) should be freaking the heck out about that. Trouble is they mostly get their media from propaganda outfits (Fox News, Alex Jones, and now even NRA TV, go watch it, it's creepy as hell). So they can't see the very thing they fear most creeping up on them...
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What he is doing is stepping off moral boxes while making targets of all Americans. W did this with his invasion of Iraq. Trump is really a total jackass.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
We're exchanging like for like and both sides are (debatably) in the wrong. What makes this screwed up is we're not longer exchanging like for like. We're trading a persons life for money. It's mob tactics. Which, well, isn't really a surprise. Trump's had mob ties forever.
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Consider this: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/1.... If he is using a high-level figurehead as a bargaining chip to force China to let those folks out, more power to him.
Canada should absolutely determine that the US extradition request was made in bad faith. Except... Now the Chinese have gone and disappeared a couple of Canadian citizens, which means we'll look like chumps if we give in to China. Thanks for involving us in your stupid pissing match, US and China.
To a Chinese colleague telling me a few days ago that this whole thing must of course be instructed/manipulated by US executive power, I answered I did not believe so because unlike China and other authoritarian regimes, the ground of our western democracies is that justice is not a tool of the executive power but independent.
As an example a meaningful symbolic action in the beginning of the French revolution was to free the prisoners from the King's prison La Bastille.
Apparently I was wrong. Is America going to let Trump undermine democracy until there is nothing left of it?
"President Trump To Use Huawei CFO As a Bargaining Chip"
What could possibly go wrong?
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
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Hillary has more tact but that was why she didn't win, people wanted these practices to be discussed out in the open rather than to be made to feel good on taking the moral high ground while she did the dirty work.
A fundamental underpinning of extradition proceedings is the âoedouble criminalityâ principle. If Canada is to extradite, there must be an offence charged in the U.S. that corresponds to one in Canadian law. While Canada has followed the UN with sanctions on Iran as regards nuclear and missile technology, I'm not aware that UN sanctions ever covered the trade in telecoms. Since in Canada sanctions like this emanate from the UN, I doubt there is a matching crime here. There is also the Foreign Extraterritorial Measures Act that spells out that American sanctions cannot operate in Canada -- otherwise 10,000s of Canadians who have visited Cuba could be rounded up.
When it was first announced, I immediately wondered if it was related to the trade war. You don't hear about these types of prosecutions often, so it seemed like there had to be some greater political machination going on.
That is a long time to keep someone on spec.
It should be something like 7 days. If there is not enough evidence to extradite then the arrest warrant should never have been issued.
Within civilized countries there are definite limits on how long Police can hold someone without charge, and they are nothing like 45 days!
THE PRESIDENT IS A DOTARD IN A PLAYPEN, FACT. Don't like it? Die in prison a traitor with him and his bitch beta traitor sons and bauble whore daughter.
The most embarrassingly stupid family in America, the Drumpfts.
He's playing right into China's talking points about it being a political arrest.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
You're a funny little Ivan aren't you.
This is SO much non-sense. First off, this investigation and the criminal charges brought against the CFO were run by the Justice department for MONTHS.
Second, This company has stated that it WILL COMMIT CRIMES. It STATED that it will commit crimes and pay the financial penalties as it is more profitable than abiding by the law.
People who limit their input to liberal media are truly fucking stupid and don't understand. If this were a company were incorporated in the free world, AKA the free world it would be out of business as NO free world country allows a company to operate against the laws of the world. But since this company is based in an atheist and amoral country that has no hope nor belief that their is a difference between good and evil they will do what ever they want so long as it is what they want.
USA can say they don't want chinese to sell to Iran, but that means fuck all. Simple enough anyone who isn't sucking drumpf mushroom cock would get it.
It is only the idea that your diplomats will be arrested that stop this, but since trump has shown he doesn't care and will happily arrest them anyway, why should they care?
Kidnap and chop up the new ambassador to the UN. After all, since Koshoggi, it's fair game to chop up "enemies of the people", uh, sorry, journalists.
MEanwhile CEOs HAVE been arrested for flyovers of the USA because they broke US laws while in Europe. they've arrested foreigners for "crimes" they made up. And have done for decades. But merkins won't hear that because the news dare not explain it like this because the fee fees of merkins will be hurt and they may decide to watch the more ego stroking fox.
But the USA is worse, the US government helps their companies steal and protect their criminals, while demanding that "criminals" from other countries be tried as with US law. USA far worse than China.
at least he's honest about it, sure we knew all along but that doesn't mean they will admit to it.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
He may be correct this time, but he is still a constant liar. Take anything he says with a grain of salt. If he provides a link, take two grains, it probably contradicts what he claims.
It's as valid as claiming that the USA is violating UK's ownership of the USA because it used to be part of the British Empire. Fucking moron.
That is a nasty slash to the throat of America's credibility, and the blood sprays onto Canada.
How long until Trump starts calling himself the Generalissimo and wearing ridiculous outfits?
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Based on the rational argument you have posted, it sounds like you have some critical evidence to the case.
Instead of ranting on the internet, have you considered contacting the US intelligence office and hading over your evidence?
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The trouble is that by saying things like this, Trump hands her defense team a legitimate argument that this extradition request is, at least in part, politically motivated. Judges do not like this kind of thing and it just increases the chances that she may not be extradited to the USA regardless of the case against her there.
In the bigger picture, countries that form treaties (like the one that Canada arrested this lady under on behalf of the USA), are generally like-minded. If one side starts abusing these treaties then they're apt to fall apart. This makes things harder for everyone.
Finally, this kind of shoot-from-the-hip, talk has real consequences in lives. In retaliation for this arrest Canada has already had two of its citizens detained in China for the thinly veiled purpose of putting pressure on the Canadian government. Regardless of the truth of Trumps statements, the simple fact that he's making them is making life difficult not just for Americans but for her allies as well.
And all they got was $10,000,00cdn & two houses worth $12,500,000. Fucking anateur-hour shit.. bitch is already in Hong Kong.
I recall YEARS of FUD about this, Obama and Julian whats-his-name. No proof, no connection to the US, but oh god, the sky was falling.
Let's do this right . . . Trump should go ahead and do it . . . then if it's bad it's Obama's fault.
Right wing nutjobs said the same damn thing about Obama.
Anyone paying attention knows full well you are driven by emotions and mouthing-off.
That's good, more power too him. What else can we do to show that the US is no different than the 3rd world shitholes they spend so much time criticising?
China should not negotiate with terrorists
What are you proposing?
SO PROVIDE THE WHOLE QUOTE! Show us that qualifying phrase, the missing fragment, that dangling participle that got whacked by CNN. DOOOOO IT! Show us the corruption.
You. Fucking. Can't.
For a Ferengi, that is.
BTW, I hope you understand that is not a compliment...
Let's invade Britain and arrest the Queen for driving on the wrong side of the road.
He didn't get him to stop making nukes though. But the bitching, omg at least there's no bitching about it. Suck that mushroom cock harder.
I'm not garbz and you know it cause he'd never proposed some shit like this:
A good Republican would propose that the rule of law is the rule of law so they need to be punished. Nothing should be done. China is a sovereign nation and those persons were in their country so they run by their rules. If only those foreign invaders would have learned the culture and acclimated like a good immigrant should, but they refused and brought all their crime and disease and religious hatred with them. If they and you don't like it, then STAY THE FUCK OUT.
You have no counter argument to this that doesn't make you sound like a bleeding heart liberal. Reality is liberal.
"The US warrant isn't political. And Trump uttering blather isn't going to make it political, ..."
I'm not sure if you are an arrogant American, or an arrogant Trumpista. One way or another you are arrogant and self-centered.
You don't get to unilaterally decide what is political! It's just not up to you. The Chinese have already decided that it is political and that makes it so. Trump piling on merely confirms what we already knew. We can "blather on" about the impartiality of the justice system all we want, it doesn't change reality.
Know what I heard the other day? The Chinese have noticed that America won't let it's own citizens be charged by the World Court, but meanwhile attempt to exert American justice systems out of American jurisdiction. Viewed this way, Chinese citizens are in jeopardy of legal action by both World Court and American jurisprudence.
Now do you get it? America has a double standard and other countries have noticed. As long as America was responsibly led and had noble goals, people were willing to let that go, for the most part. Now America is neither responsibly led nor does it have noble goals.