Besides the consistently enlightened comments already shared, perhaps someone would ask, what is the benefit of this feature?
When you send an email, do you cc it to all of your contacts? When you come across an off color joke do you email it to your brother AND your mom?
So what IS the benefit of this feature to the user? None. What IS the benefit of this feature to google? More ad revenues by being able to spam gmail users with feeds and claim more hits from gmail.
This isnt a mistake. Its a business decision to try and scrape more revenue from a somewhat disturbingly vapid business model.
Dont complain, buy more google stock and use something else. Google will always find sheep to willingly be hosed by these methods.
Is an idiot. This is a really great technological advance. Going to the mailbox. Blockbuster is garbage. Netflix is stupid.
I hope they both go down soon and hard. Because they both deserve the wrath of the evolutionary process. If you dont believe me, Ill send this post to you in the fucking mail. Then will you?
Why do people think Apple is so worried about an unlocked iphone coming back to the US?
Anyone who is so interested in an unlocked iphone is also interested turning a great device into a crippled half breed phone that wont have the voice mail features, and probably will either run up their data plan beyond what they can pay, or just not work that well in general
Plus they wont get updates from apple which are going to keep this device ahead of any challengers.
Really I dont get it. I think they should unlock it to sell it in France but only support activation and downloads through the preferred provider.
If these cell phone companies were so worth protecting, their would be need for an iphone in the first place.
OK if all of your funds are 100K. And thats not OK because thats MY money. When the FDIC pays you it comes out of tax dollars stolen from me by your corruption ridden bank.
100 million was lost by depositors in the netbank failure who had more than 100K in it.
So Im glad you have protected yourself you think, but the point isnt about YOU on a given day, its about 2.5 billion lost from the economy sucked up by fraudulent loans, greedy politicians, and lax regulation. Replaced by govt tax dollars so make that 5 billion.
So whether or not YOU lost is irrelevant. But thinking that way and not caring about the big picture is sure what got us into this mess.
Over 100 million dollars was lost by netbank depositors in this failure.
FDIC insurance exists to stop bank runs. every time it is claimed upon, represents a serious weakness in either individual banks or the financial system at large.
Why do you try to refute a mere opinion as to the meaning of all this by saying, jeez we have FDIC so nothing is wrong with the state of things?
I guess the 100 million that was lost by depositors wasnt part of your 100K. So what? The 100K you get back form the govt is nothing more than tax paid welfare for you and the corrupt bankers that lost it.
Since when did people in the US believe it was their god given right to buy something from a company and then litigiously demand that that company play by the rules of their "competitors" who factually, cant compete.
Open Office, otherwise known as the doc destroyer. Try using it in place of Word at your office someday. Im sure the rest of your company will enjoy reading your crapped up docs. (Oh but thats because its not all open office! doc format right?) Right, a group of people who have never sold or written a decent office productivity app in their lives want to change the doc format and make Microsoft their BITCH.
Open Office sucks. OOOOOOOOOOH IBM. Yeah Lotus Suite sucked too!
I guess we aren't all old enough or willing enough to remember the totally SHITTY office apps that all these losers want to trot out again brand new in the name of open source.
IBM, open source lotus. Or better yet ruin OpenOffice by contributing the crappiest office software ever written...to some other crappy software. Welcome to mediocrity.
What do you think mortgage lenders are? Banks. Or "retail shops" for banks. Same diff.
Over 80 of em have gone down in the US in about a year.
But this is the US. What me worry? We have all the economic statistics cooked to make sure that NOONE will see it coming, until after its all over. And it wont matter hell we have been eating shitty fast food for years, a few more years wont matter much.
At least the Northern Rock depositors had the good sense to cut and run. In the US it will probably be more like we dont cut and run and end up holding our fake worthless money until the bitter end.
The US news services, the govt and the market collude to deliver bad news on fridays when we citizens faithfully spend our evening at the pub and dont read the news.
I bet if you really wanted to find out whats really going on in the markets you could simply aggregate all of the Friday financial news.
Will anyone be talking about netbank on Monday. Unlikely. But here's the creep.
2.5 billion dollars is a small bank but not a community bank. If you had money to bet on it given how scared the bond market is over this, do you think theres a bank with oh say 100 billion thats going to fail in say the next year or so.
You can bet your bottom dollar on it. Oh wait you already did. You shouldve kept it under the mattress.
GPL has nothing to do with copyright violation. You either sue for GPL infringment (which no law supports) or you sue for copyright infringement.
But you have no legal standing to enforce GPL no matter how many lawyers you throw at it. Because noone gave the right to GPL licensers to restrict the usage of non-copyrighted material.
And copyrighted material is already covered clearly by existing law with no consideration for GPL.
Yes you can ALWAYS collect the trash when you know exactly how things are consumed and you have ALOT of time on your hands.
Thats called application or API specific garbage collection. The reason it doesnt work is that any decent OO program will not be concerned with tracking client usage because object lifetime is largely out of the scope of OO programming...in its ideal state.
So for A PARTICULAR application sure you can CLEAN UP the memory leaks. But once you use those objects again in a different context, the leaks will be different, so you will have to write DIFFERENT application specific garbage collection.
Thats why you are better off not doing it at all. In java for example, do you know what the biggest resource issues are? NATIVE CODE, database connections and the like.
Of course they can be cleaned up. But its native code forcing all that to happen because native code must concern itself with all these irrelevant things. Having an Object called a garbage collector that deals with it is the most OO thing you could think of.
Anything that doesnt use one is simply not OO. As evidence of what Im saying, point to any new or recent languages that DO NOT have some form of garbage collector. malloc and free are history man.
BUT...and yes I know, far be it for ME to question the legitimacy of the GPL.
If I was a supreme court justice I would ask this question. Under what right and legal clause do I have to take something which I do not claim to own - GPL cant claim copyright ownership or violation since there are no use laws besides actual copyright law and patent law, and tell someone else what they can do with it?
You are either suing for copyright infringement or you are suing to enforce the GPL they have nothing to do with each other. So what gives anyone the legal right in the US to forfeit ownership (which you have if your not claiming strict copyright infringement) of something with the right to distribute under certain terms? Do the GPL founders believe that a certain US law gave them the right to give something away and license how its used at the same time?
If I sell (or giveaway) potatoes at a store can I attach a license which says that the seeds can be distributed only in a certain way? Is that license legally viable? No, because possession is 9/10s of the law.
What the GPL people dont understand *yet* is that they without restricting or significantly claiming ownership of anything, have no legal right restrict any kind of use after its initial distribution.
What law or court has granted them that right? What law or court has upheld it? I believe that no US court will uphold the GPL license of any version. Its not a license.
Believe me if all it took was some lawyers in a room to write fair use doctrine as they saw fit and attach it to source code, we'd have a million versions of copyright and patent. We dont. And the enforcement of GPL provisions is a fantasy not based on fundamental law.
besides having your rep besmirched by having to go to court i fail to see how anyone could prove a GPL violation of any sort. license protection is based on ownership not the lack thereof.
I think a GPL case that went to court would probably look like a run of the mill copyright complaint except theres no real plaintiff so who cares?
I think the supreme court would have an interesting take on a license which supposedly required me to protect someone elses freedom but wasnt claiming ownership of the property in question. Contracts without signatures are really worthless
There is not a single object in a single OO program that can possibly have the correct responsibility for freeing its memory EXCEPT a garbage collector.
Its nonsense like this which is why any sizable C++ production app will take years to work out its "memory leaks". And thats the best C++ coders around writing those apps.
So you explain if you want to go off on such a tangent, exactly how an OBJECT or a CLASS knows when all its consumer objects are done with it? Reference counting at the app level? Almost all C++ apps have some feature like this. And they ALL have memory leaks.
You are up a computer science creek with no paddle my friend. You havent addressed long lived and short lived objects, Objects exposed by API which have no "open" and "cleanup" methods, transactions, statics, you are just a fool.
And any app you wrote or anyone else ever did in C++ has memory leaks.
Period end of story. Moderators, Please stop ranking C++ purists as insightful when they are spouting on about technological impossibilities. Large C++ apps ALL have memory leaks. Its a mathematical certainty not a statistic regarding bad coding practices. And there is no solution but an accurate garbage collector which is a technological wonder in and of itself. Java has one.
The only difference between Java programmers and C++ programmers in this issue is that java programmers have THE GOOD SENSE to know they cant and shouldnt bother to write garbage collection routines when they write an app. Especially since computer science has only come up with a few ways to do it by smarter people than them with alot more time on their hands.
Unfortunately, as talented as the team is, there are limits to the architecture.
There is no such thing as an accurate C++ garbage collector and anyone that says they can write a huge app in C++ and not have a memory leak is just an arrogant ass. Once you mix in Javascript forget it altogether.
Interestingly, this is not only due to the talent of the team in writing C++, but due to the desire to port this thing across platforms. As slow as it may be compared to C++, Java itself would be a sensible solution, given that the ugly hacks would at least have some portability and an accurate garbage collector to rely on.
Its called diminishing returns, and every line of code added to Firefox diminishes the returns even more. Has anyone remarked that these CPU and memory issues have been going on since Netscape?
Firefox was not always so rife this problem. Lately though it does seem to be getting worse.
First, lets talk about Java on the Mac when Apple stops sabotaging Java in general. Java runs like total crap in OSX because Apple doesnt want it there in the first place. They adopted a beta version of the JDK/JVM and its been total junk all along.
Secondly, well if Apple hadn't sabotaged Java on the Mac well maybe eclipse wouldn't suck so bad on that platform. But it does. In fact eclipse is stagnant on all existing platforms, and I wouldn't be surprised now that they have all but killed the paying tool market for Java, that the eclipse stagnation will resemble Java's overall stagnation as it moves into its rightful place as the more or less irrelevant cobol of OOP.
As an example of how lame eclipse is, it still doesnt have a SWING gui drag and drop canvas painter. Even Visual Age for Java had that.
So to the author I say, you know what screw you, screw apple, screw IBM and screw eclipse. Because Im sick of people trying to lower my expectations by getting me excited by a serial, fanatical, letdown.
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Besides the consistently enlightened comments already shared,
perhaps someone would ask, what is the benefit of this feature?
When you send an email, do you cc it to all of your contacts?
When you come across an off color joke do you email it to your brother AND your mom?
So what IS the benefit of this feature to the user? None.
What IS the benefit of this feature to google? More ad revenues by being able to
spam gmail users with feeds and claim more hits from gmail.
This isnt a mistake. Its a business decision to try and scrape more revenue
from a somewhat disturbingly vapid business model.
Dont complain, buy more google stock and use something else.
Google will always find sheep to willingly be hosed by these methods.
Is an idiot. This is a really great technological advance. Going to the mailbox.
Blockbuster is garbage. Netflix is stupid.
I hope they both go down soon and hard. Because they both deserve the wrath of the evolutionary process.
If you dont believe me, Ill send this post to you in the fucking mail. Then will you?
Spam ADS on my xrays and medical records. Plus now with sponsored search of my medical records!
Do you own "ow my back hurts give me back my privacy motherfuking ad spam bitch.com"?
and you fix typos? HAHAHAH
Every linux distro needs one.
Gmail is to be avoided.
Why do people think Apple is so worried about an unlocked iphone coming back to the US?
Anyone who is so interested in an unlocked iphone is also interested turning a great device
into a crippled half breed phone that wont have the voice mail features, and probably will
either run up their data plan beyond what they can pay, or just not work that well in general
Plus they wont get updates from apple which are going to keep this device ahead of any challengers.
Really I dont get it. I think they should unlock it to sell it in France but only support
activation and downloads through the preferred provider.
If these cell phone companies were so worth protecting, their would be need for an iphone
in the first place.
broken law
OK if all of your funds are 100K.
And thats not OK because thats MY money. When the FDIC pays you it comes
out of tax dollars stolen from me by your corruption ridden bank.
100 million was lost by depositors in the netbank failure who had more than 100K in it.
So Im glad you have protected yourself you think, but the point isnt about YOU on a given day,
its about 2.5 billion lost from the economy sucked up by fraudulent loans, greedy politicians,
and lax regulation. Replaced by govt tax dollars so make that 5 billion.
So whether or not YOU lost is irrelevant. But thinking that way and not caring about the big
picture is sure what got us into this mess.
Over 100 million dollars was lost by netbank depositors in this failure.
FDIC insurance exists to stop bank runs. every time it is claimed upon,
represents a serious weakness in either individual banks or the financial system at large.
Why do you try to refute a mere opinion as to the meaning of all this by saying,
jeez we have FDIC so nothing is wrong with the state of things?
I guess the 100 million that was lost by depositors wasnt part of your 100K.
So what? The 100K you get back form the govt is nothing more than tax paid welfare for
you and the corrupt bankers that lost it.
Oops whine.
Since when did people in the US believe it was their god given right to buy something from a company and then litigiously demand that that company play by the rules of their "competitors" who factually, cant compete.
Open Office, otherwise known as the doc destroyer. Try using it in place of Word at your office someday. Im sure the rest of your company will enjoy reading your crapped up docs. (Oh but thats because its not all open office! doc format right?) Right, a group of people who have never sold or written a decent office productivity app in their lives want to change the doc format and make Microsoft their BITCH.
Open Office sucks.
OOOOOOOOOOH IBM. Yeah Lotus Suite sucked too!
I guess we aren't all old enough or willing enough to remember the totally SHITTY office apps that all these losers want to trot out again brand new in the name of open source.
IBM, open source lotus. Or better yet ruin OpenOffice by contributing the crappiest office software ever written...to some other crappy software.
Welcome to mediocrity.
Good luck losers.
It aint world peace man, YOUR SOFTWARE BLOWS
What do you think mortgage lenders are? Banks.
Or "retail shops" for banks. Same diff.
Over 80 of em have gone down in the US in about a year.
But this is the US. What me worry?
We have all the economic statistics cooked to make sure
that NOONE will see it coming, until after its all over.
And it wont matter hell we have been eating shitty fast food for years,
a few more years wont matter much.
At least the Northern Rock depositors had the good sense to cut and run.
In the US it will probably be more like we dont cut and run and end up
holding our fake worthless money until the bitter end.
Wont that be fun?
The US news services, the govt and the market collude to deliver bad news on fridays
when we citizens faithfully spend our evening at the pub and dont read the news.
I bet if you really wanted to find out whats really going on in the markets you
could simply aggregate all of the Friday financial news.
Will anyone be talking about netbank on Monday. Unlikely.
But here's the creep.
2.5 billion dollars is a small bank but not a community bank.
If you had money to bet on it given how scared the bond market is over this,
do you think theres a bank with oh say 100 billion thats going to fail
in say the next year or so.
You can bet your bottom dollar on it. Oh wait you already did.
You shouldve kept it under the mattress.
right?
So that we can see the GPL and all open source licenses proven unenforceable in one fell swoop!
GPL has nothing to do with copyright violation.
You either sue for GPL infringment (which no law supports)
or you sue for copyright infringement.
But you have no legal standing to enforce GPL no matter how many lawyers you throw at it.
Because noone gave the right to GPL licensers to restrict the usage of non-copyrighted material.
And copyrighted material is already covered clearly by existing law with no consideration for GPL.
Cant have it both ways Im afraid!
Good luck!
OK so now to deal with the -1 flamebait which is a bit unfair since the previous moderator gave it an insightful rating.
My previous comment extracting the exactly true information which is insightful.
And eliminating my verbose possibly flameful commentary.
Apple uses a beta JDK/JRE to this day on OSX.
Eclipse does not include a GUI painter for SWING a critical development component for GUI apps
when many earlier and less advanced IDEs did years ago.
Java is a great language but is stagnant in some part due to the commercialization of eclipse and the lack of new
language support from eclipse.
Yes you can ALWAYS collect the trash when you know exactly how things are consumed and you have ALOT of time on your hands.
Thats called application or API specific garbage collection. The reason it doesnt work
is that any decent OO program will not be concerned with tracking client usage
because object lifetime is largely out of the scope of OO programming...in its ideal state.
So for A PARTICULAR application sure you can CLEAN UP the memory leaks.
But once you use those objects again in a different context, the leaks will be different,
so you will have to write DIFFERENT application specific garbage collection.
Thats why you are better off not doing it at all. In java for example, do you know what the biggest resource issues are?
NATIVE CODE, database connections and the like.
Of course they can be cleaned up. But its native code forcing all that to happen because native code must concern itself
with all these irrelevant things. Having an Object called a garbage collector that deals with it is the most OO thing
you could think of.
Anything that doesnt use one is simply not OO. As evidence of what Im saying, point to any new or recent languages
that DO NOT have some form of garbage collector. malloc and free are history man.
Everything you have said is true,
BUT...and yes I know, far be it for ME to question the legitimacy of the GPL.
If I was a supreme court justice I would ask this question. Under what right and legal clause do I have
to take something which I do not claim to own - GPL cant claim copyright ownership or violation since there are no use laws
besides actual copyright law and patent law, and tell someone else what they can do with it?
You are either suing for copyright infringement or you are suing to enforce the GPL they have nothing to do with each other.
So what gives anyone the legal right in the US to forfeit ownership (which you have if your not claiming strict copyright infringement) of something with the right to distribute under certain terms? Do the GPL founders believe that a certain US law gave them the right to give something away and license how its used at the same time?
If I sell (or giveaway) potatoes at a store can I attach a license which says that the seeds can be distributed only in a certain way?
Is that license legally viable? No, because possession is 9/10s of the law.
What the GPL people dont understand *yet* is that they without restricting or significantly claiming ownership of anything,
have no legal right restrict any kind of use after its initial distribution.
What law or court has granted them that right? What law or court has upheld it?
I believe that no US court will uphold the GPL license of any version. Its not a license.
Believe me if all it took was some lawyers in a room to write fair use doctrine as they saw fit and attach it to source code,
we'd have a million versions of copyright and patent. We dont. And the enforcement of GPL provisions is a fantasy not based on fundamental law.
besides having your rep besmirched by having to go to court i fail to see how anyone could prove a GPL violation of any sort.
license protection is based on ownership not the lack thereof.
I think a GPL case that went to court would probably look like a run of the mill copyright complaint
except theres no real plaintiff so who cares?
I think the supreme court would have an interesting take on a license which supposedly required me to
protect someone elses freedom but wasnt claiming ownership of the property in question. Contracts without signatures are really worthless
What C++ moderator gave that a 5?
There is not a single object in a single OO program that can possibly have the correct responsibility for freeing its memory
EXCEPT a garbage collector.
Its nonsense like this which is why any sizable C++ production app will take years to work out its "memory leaks".
And thats the best C++ coders around writing those apps.
So you explain if you want to go off on such a tangent, exactly how an OBJECT or a CLASS knows when all its consumer objects are done with it?
Reference counting at the app level? Almost all C++ apps have some feature like this. And they ALL have memory leaks.
You are up a computer science creek with no paddle my friend. You havent addressed long lived and short lived objects,
Objects exposed by API which have no "open" and "cleanup" methods, transactions, statics, you are just a fool.
And any app you wrote or anyone else ever did in C++ has memory leaks.
Period end of story. Moderators, Please stop ranking C++ purists as insightful when they are spouting on about technological impossibilities.
Large C++ apps ALL have memory leaks. Its a mathematical certainty not a statistic regarding bad coding practices. And there is no solution but an accurate garbage collector which is a technological wonder in and of itself. Java has one.
The only difference between Java programmers and C++ programmers in this issue is that java programmers have THE GOOD SENSE to know they cant and shouldnt bother to write garbage collection routines when they write an app. Especially since computer science has only come up with a few ways to do it by smarter people than them with alot more time on their hands.
Unfortunately, as talented as the team is, there are limits to the architecture.
There is no such thing as an accurate C++ garbage collector and anyone that says they can write a huge app in C++ and not have a memory leak is just an arrogant ass. Once you mix in Javascript forget it altogether.
Interestingly, this is not only due to the talent of the team in writing C++, but due to the desire to port this thing across platforms.
As slow as it may be compared to C++, Java itself would be a sensible solution, given that the ugly hacks would at least
have some portability and an accurate garbage collector to rely on.
Its called diminishing returns, and every line of code added to Firefox diminishes the returns even more.
Has anyone remarked that these CPU and memory issues have been going on since Netscape?
Firefox was not always so rife this problem. Lately though it does seem to be getting worse.
This is a confusing bit of junk.
First, lets talk about Java on the Mac when Apple stops sabotaging Java in general.
Java runs like total crap in OSX because Apple doesnt want it there in the first place.
They adopted a beta version of the JDK/JVM and its been total junk all along.
Secondly, well if Apple hadn't sabotaged Java on the Mac well maybe eclipse wouldn't suck so bad on that platform. But it does. In fact eclipse is stagnant on all existing platforms, and I wouldn't be surprised now that they have all but killed the paying tool market for Java, that the eclipse stagnation will resemble Java's overall stagnation as it moves into its rightful place as the more or less irrelevant cobol of OOP.
As an example of how lame eclipse is, it still doesnt have a SWING gui drag and drop canvas painter. Even Visual Age for Java had that.
So to the author I say, you know what screw you, screw apple, screw IBM and screw eclipse.
Because Im sick of people trying to lower my expectations by getting me excited by a
serial, fanatical, letdown.
And you are talking out of your ass.
Rock Paper Gun Ray Gun
Gun beats Ray Gun
goes over a half a mile huh. I think theres guns you can buy at walmart that with a sight can shoot that far