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Re:Any other Motherboard Suggestions
If you're an overclocker, the Asus P5B's new BIOS revision supports multiplier unlocking for non Extreme Core 2 processors, as http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2822 points out.
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Re:Any other Motherboard Suggestions
Wait for the motherboards based on the NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI chipset. According to this article, their release is only about a week or so away. As far as price goes, I would expect them to be somewhere between $200 and $250, like their AM2 counterparts. As soon as these boards hit the street, I'm gonna pick me up one and a E6600 and build my first Intel-based system since my Celeron 300 (overclocked to 450, remember those?).
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Re:Any other Motherboard Suggestions
Wait for the motherboards based on the NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI chipset. According to this article, their release is only about a week or so away. As far as price goes, I would expect them to be somewhere between $200 and $250, like their AM2 counterparts. As soon as these boards hit the street, I'm gonna pick me up one and a E6600 and build my first Intel-based system since my Celeron 300 (overclocked to 450, remember those?).
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Re:Dontcha just love...
LOL, thanks for proving my point with numbers for me. Yes, NOW the chips are $99 and last month they were $200.
Yes, and before that they had probably dropping really, really slowly down to $200 for quite some time as processor prices has been stagnant for the last 1-2 years. People who bought these processors just when prices stagnated have had them almost "for free" until a few weeks ago. People who bought them a few weeks ago have already seen the price of their new processor cut to half.
Which of those two groups do you think are most satisfied with the timing of their purchase?
Please understand that when price reduction tend to follow a stepped curve rather than a linear curve, some times are better than other times for buying.
I just googled (ha, take that, Google) to find some evidence on the net to back up may claim that processor has been stagnant for 1-2 years before the recent price drop. I did not find any curves showing 2 years, but I did find one showing 6 months for one particular processor: http://anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2782&p= 4. That curve is completely flat - or perhaps even rising a bit - for 3½ months until prices recently dropped 50% in one day. -
For those that missed it, and need speed
Here is Anandtech's last year USB Flash Drive Roundup: http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2549&p=3
It seems to be still relevant almost a year later. No faster models have come out from any of the major brands that I am aware of. -
Re:HD is overrated
I think it's one of those things you see quite a difference with when comparing DVD/HD movies on a store as you walk up close. But I have to wonder how much difference, even on a sizable screen, you see when sitting and watching it from a sofa. Here's a DVD/HD quality comparison at AnandTech by the way (click for larger pictures). I see a difference in color clarity and sharpness especially in the first one, and the photos are admittedly not really doing the displays justice. But I think they do give at least a hint of the quality difference.
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Re:dust + settle
How exactly will the new processor affect the performance of the machine again? Oh yea, that's right, except on paper, probably not at all.
While this may be paper for you, Anandech found Core 2 Duos to perform 10 to 15% better than Core Duos on average with exactly the same power draw (and therefore autonomy)
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It is a performance increase too!
It's not just a 64 bit upgrade, it's a performance upgrade as well. This article was pretty good imo:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx? i=2808
Basically the final words of the article say if you already have a yonah core laptop, you won't be missing too much (that is assuming 64 bit computing doesn't take off soon, which it prolly won't). But if you're buying a new core duo laptop, you should get a merom core, as it does perform better than the yonah and has 64 bit functionality.
Personally I advised anyone who was interested in purchasing a yonah core laptop to wait for merom. -
Re:Huh?
The latency from your computer to your router is practically non-existent, but the router doesn't have unlimited memory. If your network card bombarded the router with packets, the router would have to drop any packets that didn't fit into it's buffer. To prevent lost packets, the network card throttles outgoing packets and keeps a buffer of it's own where it queues packets to be sent. Instead of a simple FIFO, this network card most likely prioritizes gaming packets over other non-gaming packets within it's own buffer.
I've seen demonstrations of a similar technology (NVIDIA's First Packet) and it does actually make a difference - but only if you have some other program (such as Bittorrent) saturating the link. Anandtech ( http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx? i=2764&p=3 ) saw ping times improve between 15% to 40% with NVIDIA's stuff. -
It's really a decellerator
Compared to existing NICs their card actually seems to slow down performance.
If you read their white paper http://www.killernic.com/KillerNic/PDFs/KillerNic_ LLR_White_Paper.pdf/ you can see that their card can generate 20.15 MegaBytes/s of throughput. From the results in their whitepaper they come out far on top, beating NVIDIA's nForce system by almost 3x the performance.
Anandtech has an interesting comparison of ethernet performance in one of their mainboard reviews http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2696&p=11/ . Anandtech's benchmark paints a totally different story. All the chipsets featured in the whitepaper are included in this review, and as you can see, they perform significantly better than Bigfoot leads you to believe. They are all able to sustain upwards of 118 MB/s of performance (divide the benchmark results by 8 for MegaBytes). While I know it's hard to directly compare benchmarks their results are so far off that I find them very suspect.
This new item is nothing more than Quantum Speaker Cables for PC Gamers. -
Re:Only works as an administrator but...
Yes, it WILL change if microsoft stops assuming that everyone can act as a full administrator, which they're going to do based on the latest beta.
http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=27 80&p=7
The above article details a new "User Account Control" system. From TFA: "The basic premise behind UAC is that the previous way of running everything as an Administrator was wrong, and by doing so it not only allowed applications to make system-wide changes when they shouldn't, but it also meant that compromised applications could be used as a vector to attack the system. As a result, even an administrator isn't really an administrator under Vista." -
Re:Hmmmm
No, this is a real story. I actually wrote it based off of a forum post by someone else as a quasi-humorous way to see how the Slashdot readership would handle it.
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amicold?
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Re:Bluetooth AND infrared
So, concisely:
The infrared signal from the "Sensor Bar" is used by the Wiimote for locational purposes. All actual two-way communication with the console occurs via Bluetooth.
If the Bluetooth interface is not obfuscated and it is easy to reverse engineer the sucker, all that's needed are a couple of infrared LEDs seperated exactly the same distance as the bar's.
And I'm one of the ones who was toying around with getting that section just right. Anandtech reported it that way, though I don't know if it's properly cited in the article. (We had some semi-conflicting information from IGN who actually called the LEDs "sensors", without going into more depth. They also went to say that the Wiimote has an optical sensor and described the bit about it being confused by bright lights, which kind of contradicted the "sensor" thing. IGN just screws things up.) -
without HyperTransport, AMD would be dead
Intel dead? Have you people been living in a cave for the past few months?
Look at some benchmarks. The new 5100 series Xeons with the Woodcrest core have been out since June, and a dual Woodcrests crush dual Opterons in almost every test. AMD's only hope at the moment is HyperTransport, with which they rule the market for 4-socket servers (Intel's old-fashioned FSB doesn't really scale to 4 sockets). But thanks to Core2 (Conroe and Woodcrest), Intel has taken over the 1-socket and 2-socket market. Prepare to see AMD's market share take a nosedive.
I am generally an AMD fanboy, but my next system will use Intel chips. Now that Core2 is here, I am simply not interested in an antiquated AMD chip which can only complete an SSE2 operation once every two cycles. Until the K8L comes out, it's Intel Inside for me. -
without HyperTransport, AMD would be dead
Intel dead? Have you people been living in a cave for the past few months?
Look at some benchmarks. The new 5100 series Xeons with the Woodcrest core have been out since June, and a dual Woodcrests crush dual Opterons in almost every test. AMD's only hope at the moment is HyperTransport, with which they rule the market for 4-socket servers (Intel's old-fashioned FSB doesn't really scale to 4 sockets). But thanks to Core2 (Conroe and Woodcrest), Intel has taken over the 1-socket and 2-socket market. Prepare to see AMD's market share take a nosedive.
I am generally an AMD fanboy, but my next system will use Intel chips. Now that Core2 is here, I am simply not interested in an antiquated AMD chip which can only complete an SSE2 operation once every two cycles. Until the K8L comes out, it's Intel Inside for me. -
Re:disc capacity and codecs
AFAIK, the current HDDVD authoring software supports MPEG-2 and VC-1, and the initial discs have been using VC-1.
To add to your knowledge, the Japanese version of The Chronicles of Riddick HD DVD uses H.264 encoding.I have already seen 50 GB BD-ROM blanks at Frys (albeit for $39) so I know the dual layer BluRay discs are already possible. I've also heard that many HDDVD movies are shipping on 30 GB (dual layer) discs.
When all movies are encoded in high-quality and high-efficiency H.264 format, will the extra capacity above 25/30 GB really matter? I can see Blu Ray (with its theoretical higher capacity) eventually being the better format for PC storage, but I think home video will probably decide who wins this format war.We won't be able to see a true Apples to Apple comparison until we can compare two discs that used the exact same codec at the exact same bitrate, or even the exact same H.264 / VC-1 data.
Well, I think this is an Apples to Apples comparison of what is available now. Of course, 99% of people who are interested in these formats should not be buying these 1st generation players and movies. -
Apple hardware does some of thisApple hardware does some of this. Add in cards have to provide basic functions to the Apple OS that's one reason Apple's hardware works so well together, the boards have to match what the OS expects to see. That's the real reason Apple add-in cards cost more. They usually have 2x or more bios memory built into the hardware. A while ago there were write ups on the cross platform ATI9600 http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2502&p=9 (anandtech) that could handle the 30" displays. All the reviews were commenting on how cool it was to finally have cross platform cards so they commented on how ATI did it. Basically, the only reason more cards aren't like that is that it costs a dollar or two more for the extra ram and coding time, when they can make cards that work just fine in windows only and expect you to download resource hogging drivers later. All OSes would work better if the drivers were on hardware... for a matter of fact, that's actually part of the PCI spec to have object level card bios... for all the platforms EXECPT x86 where they allow and exception for binary only. The specs require a neutral language like Forth or something that's simple for any platform to quickly decode and run.
The Poster is correct, think of all the time and energy wasted, not to mention monopolies locked in, just because people cut corners. When modem manufactures stopped putting firmware and controllers onboard modems we had a great resource hogging fiasco on our hands. If graphics card vendors would put the open gl routines right on the card, we wouldn't need to skirt around the GPL to get drivers that were "legal". IF wireless cards put the firmware on the cards, then they wouldn't have to "hide" the code to maintaing FCC compliance.
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Re:Since when does "need" matter?
The problem here is that when you try and speed up your chip by adding more cores, there's no guarentee the system will fully utilize all of those cores. Code has to be parallelized to take advantage of multiple processors/cores. Either that, or you've got to launch a new application that will spawn its own threads and chew up processor time on the unused cores. Take this informal benchmark as an example of how utilizing multiple cores can be difficult, even when using multithreaded apps. Unless you're a massive multitasker type, running multiple CPU-intensive apps simultaneously, it's difficult to harness the power of even 4 cores, much less 8.
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high-yield savings account
why not take a look at some high yield savings accounts? they can earn as much interest as a CD, but you have the convenience of instant access to money
right now, HSBC direct is at 5.05% APY
another popular one is ING Direct at 4.35% APY
i believe even citibank offers one
my suggestion is to sign up with several and transfer money between them depending on who has the highest rate. right now, i've put some cash into hsbc. you even get an atm card for immediate access to cash (note: this is not a debit/check card). transferring money is easy, too. once all the requisite materials have arrived via snail mail, you can link you existing online banking accounts.
i can transfer from my local bank to hsbc in about 3 minutes. the funds take a few days to transfer, but it's "instant" enough for me. i usually find the better deals crop up in the anandtech hot deals forum, but a google search may work as well -
Re:Inquirer
The story that you are citing is from May 2005 based upon initial speculation about these CPUs back at that time. I would suggest the following would be more appropriate starting points for information. There are many more articles available, of course, but these are current, relevant, and informative.
From Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx? i=2795 Intel's Core 2 Extreme & Core 2 Duo: The Empire Strikes Back
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=280 0 Conroe vs. AM2: Memory & Performance
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797 Conroe Buying Guide
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2793 Intel Woodcrest: the Birth of a New King
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2772 Intel Woodcrest, AMD's Opteron and Sun's UltraSparc T1: Server CPU Shoot-out
From XBit Labs:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-preview.html Getting Ready to Meet Intel Core 2 Duo: Core Microarchitecture Unleashed
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-e6300.html Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 + ASUS P5W DH Deluxe: Ideal Mainstream Platform?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-shootout.html Contemporary Dual-Core
Desktop Processors Shootout
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-64bit.html Conroe and EM64T: Is There a
Problem?
From The Inquirer:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32 842US government unit throws Intel out over RAID problems
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32 818Conroe shows dodgy RAID performance anomalies
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33 102Intel Merom to launch early
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33 229Intel 965GM is considerably hotter than its predecessor -
Re:Inquirer
The story that you are citing is from May 2005 based upon initial speculation about these CPUs back at that time. I would suggest the following would be more appropriate starting points for information. There are many more articles available, of course, but these are current, relevant, and informative.
From Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx? i=2795 Intel's Core 2 Extreme & Core 2 Duo: The Empire Strikes Back
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=280 0 Conroe vs. AM2: Memory & Performance
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797 Conroe Buying Guide
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2793 Intel Woodcrest: the Birth of a New King
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2772 Intel Woodcrest, AMD's Opteron and Sun's UltraSparc T1: Server CPU Shoot-out
From XBit Labs:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-preview.html Getting Ready to Meet Intel Core 2 Duo: Core Microarchitecture Unleashed
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-e6300.html Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 + ASUS P5W DH Deluxe: Ideal Mainstream Platform?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-shootout.html Contemporary Dual-Core
Desktop Processors Shootout
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-64bit.html Conroe and EM64T: Is There a
Problem?
From The Inquirer:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32 842US government unit throws Intel out over RAID problems
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32 818Conroe shows dodgy RAID performance anomalies
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33 102Intel Merom to launch early
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33 229Intel 965GM is considerably hotter than its predecessor -
Re:Inquirer
The story that you are citing is from May 2005 based upon initial speculation about these CPUs back at that time. I would suggest the following would be more appropriate starting points for information. There are many more articles available, of course, but these are current, relevant, and informative.
From Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx? i=2795 Intel's Core 2 Extreme & Core 2 Duo: The Empire Strikes Back
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=280 0 Conroe vs. AM2: Memory & Performance
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797 Conroe Buying Guide
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2793 Intel Woodcrest: the Birth of a New King
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2772 Intel Woodcrest, AMD's Opteron and Sun's UltraSparc T1: Server CPU Shoot-out
From XBit Labs:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-preview.html Getting Ready to Meet Intel Core 2 Duo: Core Microarchitecture Unleashed
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-e6300.html Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 + ASUS P5W DH Deluxe: Ideal Mainstream Platform?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-shootout.html Contemporary Dual-Core
Desktop Processors Shootout
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-64bit.html Conroe and EM64T: Is There a
Problem?
From The Inquirer:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32 842US government unit throws Intel out over RAID problems
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32 818Conroe shows dodgy RAID performance anomalies
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33 102Intel Merom to launch early
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33 229Intel 965GM is considerably hotter than its predecessor -
Re:Inquirer
The story that you are citing is from May 2005 based upon initial speculation about these CPUs back at that time. I would suggest the following would be more appropriate starting points for information. There are many more articles available, of course, but these are current, relevant, and informative.
From Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx? i=2795 Intel's Core 2 Extreme & Core 2 Duo: The Empire Strikes Back
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=280 0 Conroe vs. AM2: Memory & Performance
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797 Conroe Buying Guide
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2793 Intel Woodcrest: the Birth of a New King
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2772 Intel Woodcrest, AMD's Opteron and Sun's UltraSparc T1: Server CPU Shoot-out
From XBit Labs:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-preview.html Getting Ready to Meet Intel Core 2 Duo: Core Microarchitecture Unleashed
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-e6300.html Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 + ASUS P5W DH Deluxe: Ideal Mainstream Platform?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-shootout.html Contemporary Dual-Core
Desktop Processors Shootout
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-64bit.html Conroe and EM64T: Is There a
Problem?
From The Inquirer:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32 842US government unit throws Intel out over RAID problems
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32 818Conroe shows dodgy RAID performance anomalies
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33 102Intel Merom to launch early
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33 229Intel 965GM is considerably hotter than its predecessor -
Re:Inquirer
The story that you are citing is from May 2005 based upon initial speculation about these CPUs back at that time. I would suggest the following would be more appropriate starting points for information. There are many more articles available, of course, but these are current, relevant, and informative.
From Anandtech:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx? i=2795 Intel's Core 2 Extreme & Core 2 Duo: The Empire Strikes Back
http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=280 0 Conroe vs. AM2: Memory & Performance
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797 Conroe Buying Guide
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2793 Intel Woodcrest: the Birth of a New King
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2772 Intel Woodcrest, AMD's Opteron and Sun's UltraSparc T1: Server CPU Shoot-out
From XBit Labs:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-preview.html Getting Ready to Meet Intel Core 2 Duo: Core Microarchitecture Unleashed
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-e6300.html Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 + ASUS P5W DH Deluxe: Ideal Mainstream Platform?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-shootout.html Contemporary Dual-Core
Desktop Processors Shootout
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2 duo-64bit.html Conroe and EM64T: Is There a
Problem?
From The Inquirer:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32 842US government unit throws Intel out over RAID problems
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32 818Conroe shows dodgy RAID performance anomalies
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33 102Intel Merom to launch early
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33 229Intel 965GM is considerably hotter than its predecessor -
Re:AMD CPU prices are not the whole story
The competitive Core 2 boards aren't even available yet...
Check this: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2797&p= 19
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Re:not the issue for many of us --I agree, but...
anantech's price engine lists mwave and monarch as reflecting the price drop already. Newegg has not. Mwave is very close to the listings ive seen from AMD, but monarch has cheaper shipping and seems to have a higher reputation.
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some amusing calculations
well the article is so short its not possible to comment on their implementation. so here are some calculations i did to amuse myself.
number of neurons in the brain: 100 billion
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/AniciaNdabahal iye2.shtml
transistor count per CPU: ~300 million
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx? i=2795
average synaptic connections per neuron: 7000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuron
total number of synapses: 100 to 500 trillion
since a 'calculation' for one artificial neuron mostly involves a summation of weights, we can view one total step as 2 X the number of synapses we wish to analyze. or 200 - 1000 trillion calculations for one step. by step i mean summing all inputs and pushing the result to an output for each neuron.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_neuron
fastest computer in the world FLOPs: 280 trillion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Gene
pentium 4 FLOPs: 40 GFLOP
using the fastest computer in the world 1 step would only take around 1 - 5 seconds, not counting storing all of that information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Gene
so how fast do we think? well i couldn't find anything on this so lets get a quick estimate. the average neuron is .1m in length .1 / c = 3.3x10^-10 or 333 picoseconds. now lets add in some delay for the chemicals in the neurons to do their thing, this is probably much slower than the electrical impulse, so lets say 3.3 nanoseconds.
so assuming our computers could network instantly, and store the data used instantly, we would need 3-15 trillion Blue Gene supercomputers to simulate the human brain in real time. or if we are using pentium 4s we would only need 21-105 trillion pentium 4s.
man thats a lot of cpus.
number of computers in the world: ~300 million
http://www.aneki.com/computers.html
guess at average FLOPs per computer: 40 GFLOPs
total FLOPs of worlds personal computers: 1.2 PFLOPs
time to calculate one brain step if all computers in the world were networked: .2 - .8 seconds
using moores law, when will a single computer be fast enough to simulate the human brain in real time?
200-1000 trillion calculations per step = ~600 trillion every 3.3ns = 181x10^18 or 181exeFLOPs
181exaFLOPS / 40GFLOPS = 2^n, n=32
32*18mo = 48 years based on personal computer technology
or 28 years based on supercomputer technology
of course a real neural network will contain highly parallel processing and using a specific chip design we will probably be able to simulate a brain much sooner, perhaps in the order of 10-20 years. -
No - Re:A' la Lenovo?
OS X w/Quartz isn't as efficient as a 'basic' Linux or *BSD kernel.
Check http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/archives/2006/05/16 /36/#comment-805m and
http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436&p =8 for details
The Anandtech article isn't apples-to-apples [sorry, bad pun].)
SGI's better option is to partner with a firm like DRC Computer Corp, and link lots of
high-speed Opterons with FPGAs and GPUs, all on a high-speed interconnect.
SGI systems have to beat the Cell processor (with better software) to stay relevant.
SGI could focus software on providing gaming dev. platforms that allow you to
develop for multiple platforms. Would that require another processor change? Probably.
Whatever that turns into, it's not the "Unix engineering/visualization market", anymore.
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Re:Xeon are for the XServe!
Woodcrest Xeons are the chips being talked about - the Xeon 5100 series, which has been released in the last couple of weeks (and suprisingly seems to have been overlooked by everyone drooling over Conroe).
http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2793 has an Anandtech benchmark/review of this chip, which might give you an insight into their speculation. -
Re:Opteron
A Woodcrest system should have very similar power consumption to a 4x4 system. For example, check out AnandTech's comparison.
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Do they really need the ad rev from 19 page views?
Here's a one-pager link for Anand:
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Re:Erroneous price/performance in headline
AnandTech has benchmarks that do feature the E6300 versus the FX-62. The FX-62 wins.
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Re:64-bit benchmarks?
These are woodcrest benchmarks, which is at least similar. Also using 64 bit windows...
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Re:first PC's?
The question asked when the first PCs will come out with Core 2 desktop processors. You gave an answer based on an unconfirmed and very uncertain Mac rumor (linking to Apple's conference/lovefest), then got modded up.so when will the first PC's come out with these?
WWDC is August 7th.Unbelievable.
Here's the answer the GP was probably looking for (from Anandtech's conclusion):
According to Intel:
Intel Core 2 Extreme processor based systems and boxed product are expected to be available on the day of launch, 27 July. Intel Core 2 Duo processor based systems and boxed product [through places such as Newegg] are expected to be available from 7 August. Each OEM has their own product introduction / transition cycles based upon their target market segment and current product offerings. We expect some to offer product in August with more introductions extending through September. Check with the OEMs of your choice to get their specific message on system availability.
From what Intel is telling us, you shouldn't be able to so much as purchase Core 2 processors until after the first week in August, although you'll be able to get complete systems before then. At the same time, we're hearing that distributors already have some Core 2 parts in stock and will begin shipping very soon. While we tend to believe Intel's assessment of availability, we're hoping it's conservative.
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Re:What about the more reasonable processors?Personally, I don't care about processors costing USD 400 or gaming performance, where CPU doesn't matter too much anyway. Are there any comparisons of the cheapest Core 2 processors with similarly priced AMDs?
As Anand Lal Shimpi at Anandtech writes, "In many cases, the $183 Core 2 Duo E6300 actually outperformed Intel's previous champ: the Pentium Extreme Edition 965. In one day, Intel has made its entire Pentium D lineup of processors obsolete. Intel's Core 2 processors offer the sort of next-generation micro-architecture performance leap that we honestly haven't seen from Intel since the introduction of the P6."
And later, "... even the slower E6300 is quite competitive with AMD's X2 4200+ and X2 3800+."
With the caveat that I have not seen ANY 64-bit Intel Core 2 benchmarks, this architecture is competitive with AMD on performance and price.
The problem is that even "by the end of this year, only 25% of Intel's Performance Mainstream desktop processor shipments will be based on Conroe." While Intel has made its entire Pentium D lineup of processors obsolete they're still going to be manufacturing three times as many of them at the end of this year!
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Re:Noticable Difference?
According to the figures at http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx
? i=2795&p=2, Intel has won the price/performance ratio war. The Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 outperforms the AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ in all benchmarks and is likely to sell for $86 less ($316 compared to $403).
It's irrelevant that in many games there won't be an significant difference in fps between these two CPUs. The Conroe E6600 is faster than the Athlon X2 5000 in all CPU bound benchmarks. So the only reason to buy AMD now is if you're tied to the AMD platform and only stress your CPU out in games. -
Re:Hmm
Maybe this is what you're looking for.
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Re:Bo knows gaming
Don't tell me there are still people around who believe the Playstation 2 is a powerful console? It's significantly slower than the Gamecube and XBox. It came out a year earlier, after all. (look at Anandtech, or just go and play RE4 on PS2 and GCN - there's a reason why the PS2 has to resort to FMV for the cutscenes, while the GCN renders them in-engine)
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Re:Where is the latest & greatest in OS develo
Everyone always talks about how great OS X is. Run it in a performance-critical environment and see what kind of numbers you get.
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Re:more then 2 cpus
Check these 64-bit Linux benchmarks and see. They don't have duel cores though, only two dual cores (total of two sockets, four cores). Looks like Woodcrest does pretty good (scaling better than two Opteron 275s in a number of cases).
The coprocessor stuff AMD is doing is a lot of hot air. Different companies talk about "coprocessors" every few years and nothing has *ever* come of it for the consumer and very few things for the typical IT department. The PhysX coprocessor is the first thing that's come close. In many cases, it's usually better to plop down another dual core CPU beside it instead of a specialized coprocessor unless you do the specialized stuff a whole freakin lot. -
Re:Still feature limited
Which is why these 64-bit Linux benchmarks show that Woodcrest scales as good as (and sometimes better than) Opterons at 4p. The vast majority of x86 servers are in the 4p range. Even Opterons have a worse-than-expected scaling issue past 4p, anyway, if you bother to look around to find the benchmarks.
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And if you want 64-bit Linux server benchmarks...
AnandTech had a preview of the Woodcrest (the new Xeon) processor running 64-bit Linux server type workloads a while back. It compares Woodcrest, Opteron, and the Sun T1. Woodcrest looks quite impressive.
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Re:Certainly could be done in a desktopBecause 2 10K Raptors in Raid 0 isnt worth the speed increase. Last time I checked you may get a 20% increase, and reduced data integrity. I did some research into this a while ago, check out this article, very informative
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Re:Dupe
Bit-Tech did this over a week ago.
...and Anandtech was there nearly three years ago. -
Re:2.5" drives?
There are a few almost viable solid state solutions right now. If your requirements are modest, maybe you want a quiet game machine, or you could run a postfix spam filter, the i-Ram is a neat solution.
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How about a PC?
A top-end PC uses about 155W idle and 320W max.
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Re:The $710 dollar one was not the overclocked one
Heard of Oblivian?
Look at this:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2746 &p=6
and this:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx? i=2747&p=3
"Thus far, it's laughed at every game I've thrown at it." - I think this will come to an end. You may not like this game, but be sure there will be other games with similar requirements soon enough.
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Re:The $710 dollar one was not the overclocked one
Heard of Oblivian?
Look at this:
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2746 &p=6
and this:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx? i=2747&p=3
"Thus far, it's laughed at every game I've thrown at it." - I think this will come to an end. You may not like this game, but be sure there will be other games with similar requirements soon enough.
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Re:I would like to know...Take a look at this:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?cati
d =50&threadid=1867448&STARTPAGE=1I remembered seeing it a few days ago.