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Almost 2 year old news
Way old news. See http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070530-apple-hides-account-info-in-drm-free-music-too.html from 2007
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Re:I HAVE to buy it
How to install a new motherboard without reinstalling Windows. It's not complicated.
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Re:should IBM buy SCO?
The whole basis of their lawsuits against IBM is from the fact that SCO claims to own the UNIX IP.
Yes SCO claims it but they do not own it. Judge Dale Kimball even ruled Novell owned Unix IP. That was an old link, from 10 August 2007. So here's one from 16 July 2008, Ruling: SCO owes Novell $2.54 million from SCO-Sun SVRX deal.
Falcon
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Nintendo does it, yes
Nintendo has always played the legal card to the maximum extent possible, going all the way back to the days of draconian contracts that forbade you from making a game for anyone else if Nintendo published one of your games. They tried to control even how much you can advertise. It got ruled invalid eventually, but in the meantime, yes, they did try to put anyone out of business who no loner toes the Nintendo line.
Or here in Europe they tried to strong-arm the retailers into what they can and can't sell, and basically used the European market as an experiment in whether they can make more money with only a handful of games and restricting access to anything else. They actually got slapped with an anti-trust for that, and were found guilty. Worse yet, it turned out that they knew they're in violation of the law, and had planned to violate it, thinking they can make more money than the fine can possibly be. (Wrong guess.)
To get back to patents and to more recent times, they also patented or filed for patent:
- emulation of its own consoles, again, to try to keep other people from doing it (and, yes, they tried to bully emulator developpers before)
- weird stuff, like comparing each other's avatars online, never mind that people have been holding costume contests in COH since the fucking launch in 2004
- something as broad as making a stage magician kinda game/sim
- a "wearable" controller to digitize body motions, never mind that motion capture has been done before like that for ages
- a rechargeable game controller never mind that chargers like that existed for mice, headsets, and everything for freaking ages before that
- just about anything you can put a motion detector into, from bikes to teddy bears
- horror games, or at least stuff like hallucinations or hearing voices in games, never mind that neither is new, and an insanity sim had even been made to train police in how to deal with dementia people
Etc.
Some of those seem to even exist just to keep others from doing it. E.g., they filed for a patent for console online gaming, at a time where they were publicly bashing it and saying they have no intention to do that.
Frankly, I don't get the hardon some people seem to get about Nintendo. While they do have a couple of talented designers, the management has an uninterrupted history of being evil fucks that make MS look good by comparison. They tried every possible way to lock competitors out, and developers in, some of which MS so far never even dreamed about. E.g., I don't remember MS suing anyone for developing for the Mac too. They too broke anti-trust laws. Etc.
And at least the previous management had no problem with even insulting its customers, especially if, god forbid, they're asking for a genre Nintendo isn't currently selling. Yamauchi publicly called RPG gamers "depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games", for example.
The only thing that changed that was the GameCube being the second dud in a row, which prompted a mellowing out of attitude. If they ever get back in a positio
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Re:How many iPhone killers is that?
Oops -- potential huge fail!
From Ars (emphasis mine):
It's apparent that this radical shift in platform will mean that all existing Palm applications will be rendered obsolete. During the presentation this morning, it was said, "There are a few hundred-thousand Palm developers and a few million web developers." If there was a dark spot during the launch it would be this, but it's definitely not going to extinguish the excitement felt on the floor for this handset.
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More detailed links
From Ars: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090108-palm-launches-new-handset-pre-operating-system-at-ces.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090108-resurrection-on-video-hands-on-with-the-palm-pre.html
More details and analysis than the PCPro story. -
More detailed links
From Ars: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090108-palm-launches-new-handset-pre-operating-system-at-ces.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090108-resurrection-on-video-hands-on-with-the-palm-pre.html
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FCC Analog Nightlight Rules (Arstechnica)
Well, they sort of are doing something like that.
Ars ran a story last week, FCC okays DTV "analog nightlight" rules. Unfortunately, it's only for 30 days - seems like it should be 90 or 180 days. Also, apparently, this doesn't apply to all markets, so I think the FCC is kind of messing up there.
Partly, though, I'm confused about how anyone could possibly not know about the digital TV transition and not be prepared for it at this point? Every time I try to watch OTA broadcasts using my digital converter box, I'm constantly being annoyed by text overlays obscuring the programming I'm watching, with messages about the digital transition. I've seen one possible explanation.
Still, I do agree with the parent - why not *permanently* leave one analog channel for information about the fact that TV has switched to digital transmissions, and also use it for emergency programming (like evacuation and health-related notices, severe weather coverage, disaster-related instructions and info, etc)?
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legality?
with the passage of laws that prohibit send or reading text messages while driving in California, is this even legal? I can just see an ambulance chaser drooling at the liability possibilities (especially when good samaritans get sued as well as dead people).
either way...it's funny....how automakers are wondering why their business is in the tank....
well..here's a thought (among many reasons)....try not pissing off your customers! -
Soon ?
I got ipv6.google.com the night the IETF turned off IPv4, and that was
over 9 months ago. -
Re:#ifndef MOD_FUNNY
Bingo. Additionally Obama is out to get the voices of everyone represented. The dumb asses who think DRM and the like are good ideas are still technically considered 'people' so they need to be in there too. Personally I am waiting to see who his tech pick is. THAT is the one I'll be pissed about if it's not very good.
P.S. DRM is not cool any more anyway. According to the Apple keynote yesterday iTunes is going DRM free. http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090106-apple-mwsf-announcements-new-macbook-pro.html -
Labels forcing the upgrade "fee"
If you recall, when Harmonix allowed users to import songs from Rock Band 1 to Rock Band 2, they charged $5 to compensate the labels for "expanded use".
While it's not mentioned, somehow I think it's more their role in this deal than Apple's. The other thing they want (and get) from this, is a way to measure to how many customers who previously bought DRMed music find this important (enough to pay $.30 for anyway)
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Re:So....what about TV?
If you look at Ars Technica's live blog of the event, you'll see it mentioned that existing purchases can be upgraded to the DRM-free high bitrate format. No mention of any involved costs, though.
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How to disconnect any Kiwi's Internet Connection
More proof that politicians pass laws to please their political donors and lobbyists, without understanding their implications. These infringement notices have been shown to be unreliable and easily spoofed.
http://dmca.cs.washington.edu/
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080605-study-paints-grim-picture-of-automated-dmca-notice-accuracy.html
http://torrentfreak.com/study-reveals-reckless-anti-piracy-antics-080605/
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/the-inexact-science-behind-dmca-takedown-notices/
So now any New Zealander can have their internet connection cut if anyone knows their IP address: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/95089
So today's Political Enemy of the Internet Award goes to New Zealand's Judith Tizard, who joins Australia's Stephen Conroy and Britains Andy Burnham. I could handle it when all politicians did was rort the system, but this is getting really annoying. I don't recall voting for any of this stuff, and I'll put them last on the ballot next time. -
Re:Hurm.
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Summary wording lifted from Ars article?The wording in this summary post looks like it was taken straight from this Ars Technica article.
Ars:The git repository incorporates historic snapshot releases and patch sets, which is frankly both cool and historically pleasing. Some of the patch sets were apparently recovered from old hard drives, notching up the geek satisfaction factor even more.
look familiar?
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Not quiteYou forgot:
- Haha, Apple iz teh SUPAR CLOSED. All ur mac bitchz r sheep!! You will bend over for da Steve Jobz cock!!
- OMFG, if teh STEVEs iz so stoopid, why iz da iPhonez teh numbar 1?!!?!!oneone
- iPhonez iz nots numbar teh numbar 1, it haz 0.3% market shares uz lame fscktardz ding dong!!one
- Yeah, and number 1 iPhone app iz iFart. Mega-lame
- Duz iFart wurk on unlokked iPhone?
Clearly, your two option portrayal doesn't cover the actual depth of intellectual
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Re:Makes sense
Some information for you to look at. The Microsoft blurb from the article states:
It should be no surprise that we do not plan on releasing IE7 for Windows 2000. One reason is where we are in the Windows 2000 lifecycle. Another is that some of the security work in IE7 relies on operating system functionality in XPSP2 that is non-trivial to port back to Windows 2000.
So it seems that the enhancements are not merely XP-specific but XPSP2-specific. You can complain all you want about them not caring enough to backport but the fact remains that as far as they're concerned doing so is non-trivial and it's not in their best interests to bother with an aging platform. You can hazard guesses all you want but that doesn't make anything so. There is a lot of software, not merely Microsoft software, which won't work on pre-SP2 systems. They don't have as much interest in pushing the newer stuff over the older stuff aside from consolidating their own development effort working around the shortcomings of old and more insecure designs.
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Xenon/Cell SPU design conicidence.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/xbox360-2.ars/4
Read down and yes i am not the only person to notice - the author of this article notices the coincidences about the VMX and the Cell SPU's.
Anyone who programmes the Xenon's VMX128 will be plesantly supprised with the Cell SPU's similarity. It's like having 7 or 8 decoupled super VMX128 units instead of just one locally coupled one. ! -
Re:It's not really useful yet...
But will analogue cable still be around for a long time? (for a TV tuner card)
It will be around, for at least local channels over cable, until at least 2012 per FCC mandate. That might be a "long" time for certain definitions of "long."
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Compressed Air Energy Storage to Store Wind Energy
Compressed air is another means of storing wind energy that is getting looked at again. The CAES schemes need large geological structures such as salt mines or depleted gas fields, but there are quite a lot of viable structures in places like Texas and Ontario where there is also interest in wind energy. It is not economical on a small scale since a large part of the compression cost is independent of the reservoir size.
According to the US Department of Energy "nearly two-thirds of the natural gas in a conventional power plant is consumed by a typical natural gas turbine because the gas is used to drive the machine's compressor. In contrast, a compressed-air storage plant uses low-cost heated compressed air to power the turbines and create off-peak electricity, conserving some natural gas."
In the last 20 years only two facilities have ever been built - a 110-megawatt plant in Alabama and a 290-megawatt plant in Germany. Iowa is building a new plant "expected to cost $200 million and operate by 2011 with the capacity to store 200 megawatts of power, enough for several days. Both the Iowa and Alabama installations can draw air to make power within 15 minutes and make a gas turbine roughly 40 percent more efficient. "
http://www.eere.energy.gov/de/compressed_air.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081224-full-of-powerful-wind-bury-it-in-the-ground-for-later.html
http://www.thestar.com/business/article/553702
http://www.isepa.com/index.asp Iowa Stored Energy Park
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Re:patent troll patent
Not only that... check out the screen mockup from the patent! Those are obviously representations of the MS Paint and Excel UIs, as well as shitty MS clipart... can't they sue them for copyright infringement in their patent claim??
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Re:Is this really "stuff that matters"?
This isn't even a "bug" in as much as they decided they would ignore the issue on the Mac platform in hopes that they could just point at the (*still* unfinished) Mac product and say "there's your patch buddy, $60 please".
I'm assuming you're referring to the "still unfinished" successor to Quicken 2007 as a "patch." To be fair to Intuit, the next version is a a rewrite "from the ground up" in Cocoa, so it's hardly a patch.
The OS X product sucks that bad.
That's for sure (the 2007 version). Also, a Cocoa rewrite doesn't guarantee the next version won't suck.
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Re:Unlikely
Quite right, I agree fully with the selective buying of music that we actually enjoy, although Theaetetus has a point. You're quite right that I don't create a second tangible copy of a CD. However, as the law stands right now in the UK it is still technically (and technicalities are the soul of UK law) illegal to format shift. However, there are changes coming which will hopefully rectify this amazingly stupid situation and I haven't heard of a single prosecution of someone buying a CD to rip. Indeed, the police advise people to make backups of their CDs for use in the car as they are seen by thieves as less valuable.
What you actually get when you buy a CD is a licence to reproduce the audio. The polycarbonate frizbee is simply a device that allows you to exercise the privilege the licence bestows upon you. Hopefully, UK lawmakers will soon remove the disparity between the advice of the police, the format-shifting necessity given the proliferation of personal media players and current UK copyright law. It is probably the first sensible review that the current UK legislators have undertaken in their entire time in office.
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Re:For several reasons no
1) The iPhone is the biggest selling single phone on the market, hell they've a 1/3 of the whole market with one device
The OP misspoke slightly, but sometimes stuff can get confusing. The iPhone is the biggest selling phone in the United States, yes, even more than the freebie RAZR (cite). They had 28% back in February of 2008 and now have 30% as of December 2, 2008 -- although the later figure seems more suspect (cite, cite). The supply drop of iPhone-2Gs in the 1Q diminished their numbers quite a bit. Also, the market is smart phones, not just touch screen ones. The largest player in smart phones in the US is Blackberry -- which, well, has been having a less than stellar time with the attempt at the touch screen Storm.
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The sad story about Fugly
Ok, but what about this octopus (about 2/3 down the page)?
(anecdote is not proof yadda yadda, but still) -
Re:Most of "their" Statistics have no source
P.S.
Read more about these unsourced numbers (no origination point) here: http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/dodgy-digits-behind-the-war-on-piracy.ars
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Re:Even worse.
Focusing on the ISPs is potentially much more sinister. ISP user agreements, for anything other than expensive business accounts, typically have pretty broad service agreements, so they almost definitely won't even need to involve the courts to cut you off
It's worse than that. We just found out that violating TOS is the same as unauthorized access, making it a federal crime.
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Re:Foundations
That's the problem with linux distros and has always been a problem. Too much choice and not very much consistency with apps installed by default and their GUIs.
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/microsoft-learn-from-apple-II.media/vista.png
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the real problem is ..
"The real problem is people visiting Web sites through email links, and replying to unsolicited email (from companies they recognize or not)"
No, the real problem is the ISPs not blocking spam from open or unauthorized email relays. And the gazillion compromised desktop PCs out there being used in botnets .. -
Re:ion.simon.c have you been drinking?
*chuckles*
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/51009562/m/3680937305
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/12009443/m/757093113/p/2
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/6/ubb.x?q=Y&a=tpc&s=50009562&f=12009443&m=1810993821
(Especially:
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/12009443/m/1810993821?r=2310969821#2310969821
)I had hoped that you would have been informative at some point in our conversation. It's a pity that you were not.
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Re:ion.simon.c have you been drinking?
*chuckles*
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/51009562/m/3680937305
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/12009443/m/757093113/p/2
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/6/ubb.x?q=Y&a=tpc&s=50009562&f=12009443&m=1810993821
(Especially:
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/12009443/m/1810993821?r=2310969821#2310969821
)I had hoped that you would have been informative at some point in our conversation. It's a pity that you were not.
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Re:ion.simon.c have you been drinking?
*chuckles*
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/51009562/m/3680937305
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/12009443/m/757093113/p/2
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/6/ubb.x?q=Y&a=tpc&s=50009562&f=12009443&m=1810993821
(Especially:
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/12009443/m/1810993821?r=2310969821#2310969821
)I had hoped that you would have been informative at some point in our conversation. It's a pity that you were not.
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Re:ion.simon.c have you been drinking?
*chuckles*
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/51009562/m/3680937305
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/12009443/m/757093113/p/2
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/6/ubb.x?q=Y&a=tpc&s=50009562&f=12009443&m=1810993821
(Especially:
http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/12009443/m/1810993821?r=2310969821#2310969821
)I had hoped that you would have been informative at some point in our conversation. It's a pity that you were not.
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Understand your performance requirements
How many gigabytes are "multiple" gigabytes? Seriously, moving around five GB is much easier than 50 GB and enormously easier than 500 GB.
Another thing to consider: how many consumers are there? A "consumer" is any process that requests the data. If this post is a disguised version of "how do I serve all my DVD rips to all the computers in my house" then you probably won't ever have too many consumers to worry about. On the other hand, I work for an algorithmic trading company; we store enormous data sets (real-time market data) that range anywhere from a few hundred MB to upwards of 20 GB per day. The problem is that the traders are constantly doing analysis, so they may kick off hundreds of programs that each read several files at a time (in parallel via threads).
From what I've gathered, when such a high volume of data is requested from a network store, the problem isn't the network, it's the disks themselves. I.e., with a single sequential transfer, it's quite easy to max out your network connection: disk I/O will almost always be faster. But with multiple concurrent reads, the disks can't keep up. And note that this problem is compounded when using something like RAID5 or RAID6, because not only does your data have to be read, but the parity info as well.
So the object is to actually get many smaller disks, as opposed to fewer huge disks. The idea is to get the highest number of spindles as possible.
If, however, your needs are more modest (e.g. serving DVD rips to your household), then it's pretty easy (and IMO fun) to build your own NAS. Just get:
- a case that can hold a lot of disks
- a fairly recent motherboard
- the cheapest CPU supported by the motherboard (your load is virtually all I/O; very little CPU is needed with modern I/O chipsets)
- some RAM
- a high quality, high capacity power supply
- the disks themselves
- and your favorite free operating system of choice
You might also want to purse the Ars Technica Forums. I've seen a number of informative NAS-related threads there.
One more note: lots of people jump immediately to the high performance, and high cost RAID controllers. I personally prefer Linux software RAID. I've had no problems with the software itself; my only problem is getting enough SATA ports. It's hard to find a non-server grade (i.e. cheap commodity) motherboard with more than six or eight SATA ports. It's even harder to find non-PCI SATA add-on cards. You don't want SATA on your PCI bus; maybe one disk is fine, but that bus is simply too slow for multiple modern SATA drives. It's not too hard to find two port PCI express SATA cards; but if you want to run a lot of disks, two ports/card isn't useful. I've only seen a couple of four-port non-RAID PCIe SATA cards. There's one eight port gem, but it requires PCI-X, which, again, is hard to find on non-server grade boards.
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Re:Oh Noes!
If Microsoft can be sued over this, who's to say that they couldn't go after every other stationary tray-loading spinning-disc-player manufacturer?
The fact that most other tray-loading drives don't scratch your discs when you move them around would probably take care of that for the other manufacturers. Along with holding the disc tightly between a spindle and a bearing, tray loading drives employ bumpers that Microsoft left out on their drives to save $0.50/console. Since the other drive makers include said bumpers, and don't scratch discs, I don't think they need to worry too much if Microsoft is held liable for what their product does.
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Could have been prevented for minimal cost
Apparently a $0.50 component would have sorted out all these problems... I'm aware that after a lot of sales this translates into profit, but seriously... this is a very short-sighted corner to cut.
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No - Google "statutory damages"
The judge has since figured out that something was fishy about certain legal arguments RIAA used, however. RIAA hasn't appealed yet, AFAIK.
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Re:Still not safe to use Suse of any sortYeah, we will keep coming back to that. From the article I recognized, of course, Banshee, Beagle and F-Spot, but Tasque and Monsoon were new to me. A quick search confirmed both are written in Mono. A bit further down:
OpenSUSE ships a modified version of OpenOffice.org that bundles Novell's patchset, which includes some nice improvements that Sun has declined to accept upstream for various technical and licensing reasons.
And another Ars article says:
Many of these patches maintained by Novell provide important features that are valuable to Linux users, including support for embedded multimedia via GStreamer, (...) and support for Mono-based automation and scripting.
Mono does not seem to be just means to an end, but an end in itself.
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Re:Linux as an actual alternative?
In all seriousness, I thought the "Linux on the desktop" model was dead several years ago. I can see how Enderle's point applies to Apple, but it seems an enormous stretch to predict that consumers will generally examine the desktop market as it exists today and opt for Linux over Vista, XP, or OS X. I realize Linux has gained ground in the netbook market and done well when debuted on systems that used customized distros. What's the larger picture?
In all seriousness, Linux on the desktop spanks any version of Windows silly.
The new version of the KDE desktop, KDE 4.1.3 or later, has worked out its initial teething troubles and now represent the only GPU-accelerated desktop for Linux, and as such is easily the fastest desktop available today, bar none. Because they use software rendering, not even "lightweight" Linux desktops such as LXDE or Fluxbox are as fast. KDE4 runs all of the compiz-style bling (including the desktop cube and 4 desktops), it is scriptable, it runs KDE3 or GTK applications easily and pretty well integrated, and it has innovative new desktop facets such as strigi, nepomuk et al, and it can run Google widgets, OSX widgets or Plasmoids at the same time (KDE 4.2+).
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081202-hands-on-kde-4-2-beta-1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4#KDE_4.2If you desperately need to run the odd legacy Windows application, you can very likely run it under Wine with more compatibility than Vista offers, and faster than Vista can. If it fails to run under Wine, then you can still run a version of Windows virtually using your choice of two free and open-source Virtual Machine Managers:
VirtualBox OSE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VirtualboxKernel-based Virtual Machine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine
http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-kvm-on-ubuntu-8.10Wine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)#64-bit_applicationsSignificantly, just this last year or so some larger OEMs have begun to offer desktop Linux pre-installed:
http://linux.dell.com/desktops.shtml
http://blogs.computerworld.com/with_hp_in_all_oems_now_ship_desktop_linux
http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/desktop/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=212400561&subSection=News
http://www.workswithu.com/2008/12/12/system76-launches-biometric-ubuntu-linux-laptops/Finally, desktop Linux has (according to some measurements anyway) finally started to gain a measurable adoption rate, just 1.5% behind that of Mac OSX:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
Vendors such as Canonical are actually finally putting some effort into promoting Linux as a usable, practical desktop OS:
http://www.workswithu.com/No-one told Linux that it was "dead on the desktop". Linux is dominant in every other area of computing, from supercomputers to clusters to servers to infrastructure machines (such as routers) to embedded devices in general (such as cellphones),
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You guys remember the 256Gb sheet of paper?
You guys remember this?
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061126-8288.html
See also:
"Can you get 256Gb on an A4 sheet of paper? No way!"
http://www.techworld.com/storage/news/index.cfm?newsid=7432
Overall, it was a scam. But the idea of somehow using a durable physical medium seems pretyy good, no?
PS: OK, this doesn't solve the OPs original question.
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Re:Pretty unlikely
Are you sure about the whole costs thing?
Let's assume you won't be pirating your games (which is widespread on the PC, and a big cost saver to the unwashed masses, but that's a whole other debate). Assuming you buy games rather than renting them, you'll still save $10 a game by not getting them on the console. Also, I don't know about Wii games, they might be cheaper.
For a PC, I've got to spend a maximum of around $1000 (in reality, less than that. That gets me everything I need to run Crysis at highest settings. Speakers, monitor, keyboard, everything. You can spend a whole lot less if you're just going to upgrade your existing box, too.
For a console, you've got the initial investment of the console, plus all those weird controllers that $random_game requires. Then, you've got to buy a new TV (the majority of people do not yet have HD, though this is changing. Games on the 360/PS3 look terrible without HD. If you say graphics don't matter, why are you upgrading your PC every two years?).
It's pretty variable how much you'll drop on a console vs. a PC, but unless you already have a HD TV and surround sound system, you can expect to spend at least three times as much. All for the privilege of paying $50 a year to use Xbox live?
Also, remember that you have to own a PC anyway, and most people upgrade that every about as often as they buy a new console. A bottom-line Dell is just a video card away from being a great gaming machine.
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Re:Nope
AT&T offers the same for DSL, though they don't really advertise it:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071231-att-offers-20-naked-dsl-if-you-know-where-to-look.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070618-att-launches-10-dsl-it-hopes-no-one-signs-up-for.html
From the linked article:
Customers must also order phone service to get the budget-priced DSL service; those looking for cheap, naked DSL should look elsewhere.
The first of the two linked articles describes AT&T's "naked" DSL offering. I'm not sure why the GP included that second article (which you quoted). Maybe because it's another deal that AT&T makes "hard to find," but it seems unrelated to the topic.
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Re:Nope
AT&T offers the same for DSL, though they don't really advertise it:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071231-att-offers-20-naked-dsl-if-you-know-where-to-look.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070618-att-launches-10-dsl-it-hopes-no-one-signs-up-for.html
From the linked article:
Customers must also order phone service to get the budget-priced DSL service; those looking for cheap, naked DSL should look elsewhere.
The first of the two linked articles describes AT&T's "naked" DSL offering. I'm not sure why the GP included that second article (which you quoted). Maybe because it's another deal that AT&T makes "hard to find," but it seems unrelated to the topic.
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Re:Nope
AT&T offers the same for DSL, though they don't really advertise it:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071231-att-offers-20-naked-dsl-if-you-know-where-to-look.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070618-att-launches-10-dsl-it-hopes-no-one-signs-up-for.html
From the linked article:
Customers must also order phone service to get the budget-priced DSL service; those looking for cheap, naked DSL should look elsewhere.
The first of the two linked articles describes AT&T's "naked" DSL offering. I'm not sure why the GP included that second article (which you quoted). Maybe because it's another deal that AT&T makes "hard to find," but it seems unrelated to the topic.
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Nope
AT&T offers the same for DSL, though they don't really advertise it:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071231-att-offers-20-naked-dsl-if-you-know-where-to-look.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070618-att-launches-10-dsl-it-hopes-no-one-signs-up-for.html
From the linked article:
Customers must also order phone service to get the budget-priced DSL service; those looking for cheap, naked DSL should look elsewhere.
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Nope
AT&T offers the same for DSL, though they don't really advertise it:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071231-att-offers-20-naked-dsl-if-you-know-where-to-look.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070618-att-launches-10-dsl-it-hopes-no-one-signs-up-for.html
From the linked article:
Customers must also order phone service to get the budget-priced DSL service; those looking for cheap, naked DSL should look elsewhere.
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Re:Yeah, there areComcast certainly offers Internet access without TV, I have several friends using it that way.
AT&T offers the same for DSL, though they don't really advertise it:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071231-att-offers-20-naked-dsl-if-you-know-where-to-look.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070618-att-launches-10-dsl-it-hopes-no-one-signs-up-for.html
As always, Google is your friend.
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Re:Yeah, there areComcast certainly offers Internet access without TV, I have several friends using it that way.
AT&T offers the same for DSL, though they don't really advertise it:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071231-att-offers-20-naked-dsl-if-you-know-where-to-look.html
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070618-att-launches-10-dsl-it-hopes-no-one-signs-up-for.html
As always, Google is your friend.
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Re:Add Top Apps for more price ranges
Old news, this has already been fixed.