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I Fail It!Slashdot declares victory over GNAA
Pater - Associated Press Michigan, Detroit OfficeSlashdot, a prominent news web log claiming to be "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters" has claimed victory over the Gay Nigger Association of America (GNAA).
With GNAA's trolls resorting to stale material which was relevant for five minutes about three months ago and enabling anyone to "cut and paste" a press release using the Open Source philosophy has led to GNAA's demise. Netcraft confirms it.
GNAA's founder timecop was seen locking up the headquarters one last time. An unassuming outdoor mens room deep in the heart of Tennessee was once host to numerous sessions of blowjobs, anal and creampies attended only by homosexual African-Americans. "I reckon I jest likes fuckin' girls. White girls. [note broken link]" was the only statement given to the press at this time. Former lovers and Windows users Lysol and Roloffle were found standing at "half-mast" upon the sad but inevitable occasion.
Robert W. Malda shared his feelings regarding the event. "Oog the Caveman (a pioneer of ALL CAPS == TEH FNY), The Glorious Meept, Trollaxor, The Turd Report, WIPO Troll, Recipe Troll even goatse had something to contribute to our forums. GNAA is populated solely by crybaby attention whores who wouldn't know a rpm if it bit them on their tender, velvety asshole which is barely covered by a fine mist of downy, pre-pubescent hairs." After a brief reverie Mr. Malda conceded "At least GNAA uses valid xHTML instead of dicey HTML 3.2"
About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) was a troll organization known for its "cut and paste" style of trolls which are written once every six months. It was founded in July 2001 by timecop, found its heyday with "ROR JEWS DID WTC" and slowly faded into the background radiation. Its namesake, a Danish humor movie, is freely available via BitTorrent.
About Slashdot:
Slashdot is the first website dedicated entirely to duplicate articles, groupthink and brilliant trolls. Under the aegis of "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters" and its connections with Open Source Lobbyists has ensured its continued presence on "teh intorweb".
Do you have an Email address? ?
Do you have a computer ?
If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then Slashdotis exactly what you've been looking for!
Join Slashdot today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time Slashdot member.
Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!- First, you have to obtain a copy of Linux and attempt to install it. You can download the operating system using BitTorrent.
- Second, you need to succeed in First Post on
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Definition?Um, what does RAD mean? Is it something like an IDE (Integrated Development Environment -- editing, compliling, debugging, etc. all rolled into a single (usually graphical) interface; very handy)?
(Would it really be so hard for submitters to at least briefly explain their jargon? (Or at least expand their TLAs.
;) "If you have to ask, you don't need to know" doesn't always apply, you know.)(And no, RAD doesn't appear in the Jargon File.)
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Of course there's a bias!
What makes you think that geeks wouldn't have a firm opinion about the religious zealot currently running the White House? True, not all Slashdotters are male SF Fan, heterosexual-in-theory and monosexual-in-practice, liberal-to-libertarian hacker whackos. However, there's (apparently) a strong correlation to each of these characteristics individually. Virtual communities, like most other forms of community, form around COMMONalities. Those who don't like the neighborhood, move on. (This may or may not be a good thing, but it is easily observed in internet groups.)So, most Slashdotters lean one way, while most Born-Again-Christians lean another. Beeg Fat Hairy Deel. If you don't like it, submit more Pro-Bush coverage stories, or more Anti-Kerry coverage stories. If they have a defensible point, they might get through.
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Of course there's a bias!
What makes you think that geeks wouldn't have a firm opinion about the religious zealot currently running the White House? True, not all Slashdotters are male SF Fan, heterosexual-in-theory and monosexual-in-practice, liberal-to-libertarian hacker whackos. However, there's (apparently) a strong correlation to each of these characteristics individually. Virtual communities, like most other forms of community, form around COMMONalities. Those who don't like the neighborhood, move on. (This may or may not be a good thing, but it is easily observed in internet groups.)So, most Slashdotters lean one way, while most Born-Again-Christians lean another. Beeg Fat Hairy Deel. If you don't like it, submit more Pro-Bush coverage stories, or more Anti-Kerry coverage stories. If they have a defensible point, they might get through.
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Of course there's a bias!
What makes you think that geeks wouldn't have a firm opinion about the religious zealot currently running the White House? True, not all Slashdotters are male SF Fan, heterosexual-in-theory and monosexual-in-practice, liberal-to-libertarian hacker whackos. However, there's (apparently) a strong correlation to each of these characteristics individually. Virtual communities, like most other forms of community, form around COMMONalities. Those who don't like the neighborhood, move on. (This may or may not be a good thing, but it is easily observed in internet groups.)So, most Slashdotters lean one way, while most Born-Again-Christians lean another. Beeg Fat Hairy Deel. If you don't like it, submit more Pro-Bush coverage stories, or more Anti-Kerry coverage stories. If they have a defensible point, they might get through.
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What's so hard about sex people?
> > Older gamers don't need sex in advertisements because they can have real sex any time.
> I don't understand. Please explain and cite references, HOWTOs preferably.
What the hell is wrong with you people! Sex is not that hard! Occasionally even a Linux developer can get laid. I know that this is only an anegdotal evidence. Do you want HOWTO? Here it is: Sex Tips For Ugly Virgin Losers by Eric S. Raymond himself (ESR of OSI, I kid you not). If he can get laid using those tips, so does everyone in the freakin universe.
Moderators: please mod this post up so every slashdotter could get laid today! -
What's so hard about sex people?
> > Older gamers don't need sex in advertisements because they can have real sex any time.
> I don't understand. Please explain and cite references, HOWTOs preferably.
What the hell is wrong with you people! Sex is not that hard! Occasionally even a Linux developer can get laid. I know that this is only an anegdotal evidence. Do you want HOWTO? Here it is: Sex Tips For Ugly Virgin Losers by Eric S. Raymond himself (ESR of OSI, I kid you not). If he can get laid using those tips, so does everyone in the freakin universe.
Moderators: please mod this post up so every slashdotter could get laid today! -
What's so hard about sex people?
> > Older gamers don't need sex in advertisements because they can have real sex any time.
> I don't understand. Please explain and cite references, HOWTOs preferably.
What the hell is wrong with you people! Sex is not that hard! Occasionally even a Linux developer can get laid. I know that this is only an anegdotal evidence. Do you want HOWTO? Here it is: Sex Tips For Ugly Virgin Losers by Eric S. Raymond himself (ESR of OSI, I kid you not). If he can get laid using those tips, so does everyone in the freakin universe.
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Re:The difference is
Both Mac and Win contextual menus are highly customizable as is... use a 3rd party "power-tool" to take it to extreme. This bit of your troll just opinion and is unfounded bunk.
It's my experience. I've been using both platforms for about 10 years. Obviously there are Mac programs with really good and Windows apps with terrible context menus, but that does not seem to me to be the general trend.
I don't know why you think the existence of "power tools" to customize anything is relevant, I'm talking about out-of-the-box user interfaces here, and a difference in mentality in the two developer communities.
Furthmore, my post is not a troll, I think I made a fairly reasonable point in reply to another poster. You decided to flame me for, but that wasn't a reaction I hoped for, although in any discussion like this it's obviously to be expected.
So does the Mac (Have you ever actually used one?).
Yes, my first Mac was an LC II, and although I've personally settled for the PC for the time being, like I said, my GF uses an Apple and so do parts of my family. And as you pointed out in your friendly manner, my Microsoft 5-button + scroll wheel USB mouse works happily with her laptop. A mouse by Creative Labs didn't though, but I blame Creative Labs and not Apple for that.
But that is all beside the point. Supporting 3-button mice is not the same as embracing them, the admittedly vague word I used.
Exactly the point... your GF doesnt know there is a contextual menu... is she happy with her mac? does it do exactly what she wants it to? does she have to learn to do things in a way that is not immediately apparent?
Kind of/kind of/sometimes are the answers to your questions. She manages her way around in both Windows and Mac OS environments, but obviously the Apple looks a lot nicer.
Bah. I don't know why I bothered to reply point by point. You totally and probably deliberately misunderstood my original post. I have no grudge against Apple - I recommended the Apple laptop to my gf -, although whether or not that is the case is obviously totally irrelevant. I personally think that the context menu is an enormous boon to productivity - it has been, for me - and it has been my experience that the context menus in Windows applications are superior to those of Apple applications. I gave reasons why I think that is the case. But if you think that having two buttons instead of one is part of "the complexities of the OS" then be my guest. -
Do we need it?
"GForge is a fork of the original GPL'd SourceForge code and like sf.net provides forums, mailing lists, revision control via CVS or Subversion"
Do we really need another fork? We all remember the last time when the community was divided. It is never easy to marge branches of forked codebase tree. I think Eric Raymond has described all of the disadvantages of frivolous forking more than inadequately. The open source community is already using CVS, RCS, Rsync, Bytekeeper and Subversion. Wouldn't our creative resources be better invested if we tried to integrate some of the already available systems instead of dividing them even more? -
Re:Yeah, not my favorate idea.
Lame rip off of a joke.
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Re:Different operations
Moving processing out into special purpose processers, and then back into the main one again as Moore's Law takes effect has been known about since the term the wheel of reincarnation was coined back in 1968.
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Re:Different operations
Moving processing out into special purpose processers, and then back into the main one again as Moore's Law takes effect has been known about since the term the wheel of reincarnation was coined back in 1968.
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Re:The Redmond Beast...
Honestly, does every article have to be a troll ?
This is a troll? Please.
Yes, by definition it is.
from the reference supplied:
...designed to attract predictable responses or flames...
No, every article [(I assume you mean) about Microsoft] does not have to be / is not a troll.
You made a dumb one-liner generalization that you know, unless you're really naive, will attract predictable flames in response.
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Cathedral and the Bazaar covers this topic well
The theory and economics of open sourcing hardware drivers is really well covered by Eric S. Raymond in his now famous book the Cathedral and the Bazaar. In particular, The Magic Cauldron section deals with the theory and economics of exactly this sort of thing and follows up with an afterword that explains Why Closing a Driver Loses Its Vendor Money.
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Cathedral and the Bazaar covers this topic well
The theory and economics of open sourcing hardware drivers is really well covered by Eric S. Raymond in his now famous book the Cathedral and the Bazaar. In particular, The Magic Cauldron section deals with the theory and economics of exactly this sort of thing and follows up with an afterword that explains Why Closing a Driver Loses Its Vendor Money.
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Cathedral and the Bazaar covers this topic well
The theory and economics of open sourcing hardware drivers is really well covered by Eric S. Raymond in his now famous book the Cathedral and the Bazaar. In particular, The Magic Cauldron section deals with the theory and economics of exactly this sort of thing and follows up with an afterword that explains Why Closing a Driver Loses Its Vendor Money.
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Of course it runs...
Of course it will run any BSD or Linux. Even ITS. That is, if people port them.
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Re:Do Real Programmers write in Ruby? Or in PythonIf you aren't Ed Nather, you ought to Cite your sources. Like 500 Mile Email, it's a good story, but not YOUR good story.
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Plan for Software Project FailureI'm just waiting for management to get a clue about this. Most software projects fail on some level. Most software in big corporations sucks on some level, in at least one important component. Management should get a clue and PLAN for this. They should:
- Have redundant competing projects
- Have standards that mandate how components/systems fit together
- NOT mandate that thou shalt use software X all across the enterprise
What large corporations have been doing is Soviet style central planning. What happens is that they get stuck with mediocre or sucky software that they cannot replace. Eventually, a few smaller companies start up that manage to have good software (out of many that fail in part because of sucky software) which gives them a competitive advantage. These either get bought up by or grow into ossified bureaucratic behemoths with no internal competition.
Sometime a corporation is going to become the Bazaar within, instead of the Cathedral (Cathedral & the Bazaar) and they'll maintain a long term competitive advantage by having internal competition.
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Re:amino acids and the alphabet
Just like TLAs, four-letter words don't need to have four letters. Bitch.
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This is not news
The death of the net has been a frequent cry over the past couple decades.
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Flash from the past!
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Flash from the past!
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Re:And for anyone who believes this...
That September will finally end?
Wow, for just a moment that gave me hope. You cruel, cruel bastard.
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Imminent Death of the Internet Predicted !
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Re:And for anyone who believes this...
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Re:video?
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Re:video?
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Re:video?
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C is for wimps
Real obfuscation is best expressed in Intercal. If we had voting software written in Intercal, we wouldn't even need to bother having the election.
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Re:fun noise generator...
I hope the robot isn't running BSD, heh. Not sure if this is still true, but amusing none the less.
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Re:Go Gopher!
How did this get to 5, Insightful? Gopher died when they started dicking around with the license - the WWW is free. The "September that never ended" is a reference to USENET, not the WWW. This guy clearly doesn't know what he is talking about.
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Re:This better not be the end
This sci-fi essay is what I was referring to. The worm only kills the host after compromising a set number of other hosts. It would be great to see but it would ultimately give incredible ammunition to TCPA supporters.
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Re:Flaws in both Languages
Java is 'open source'. Everything: JDK classes and the virtual machine, all are there for everyone to see. Sun owns the Java trademark and is in control of what language features are in and what are out.
I am under the impression that they aren't. There exists a open-source implementation of Java, but the virtual machine and SDK provided by Sun do not have the source with them, and it is generally not available. Sun rejected the pleas of the open source community to open-source Java (link)
.NET is not open source. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that the CLR source isn't available. C# is a standardized language. That means that 'theoretically' other parties can influence the direction of the language in the future.
Correct, the MS .NET implementation is not open-source. But as is the case with Java, the SDK and compiler is free and open-source implementations such as Mono are not fought against. In fact, one can argue that Microsoft is more open-source-friendly: The language and CLI is standardized which makes the life of compiler programmers easier (par example, Mono already has many C# 2.0 features, even though MS's own 2.0 compiler is still in beta). Also Microsoft provides a Shared Source-licensed implementation of .NET called Rotor -
This is Finagle's Law
This isn't Murphy's Law, it's Finagle's Law.
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reminds me of something ESR pointed out to me...
check this out...liquid computing...http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/
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There are still some bugs in the water gates...
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There are still some bugs in the water gates...
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There are still some bugs in the water gates...
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Re:T-TCO?
...the true acme of skill of any geek worth his or her salt (read: NOT churned out by a cert mill...;i couldn't agree more. the geeks i am speaking of, however, are a special breed of MS toolers. they know their way around a windows box, but put them in front of a Unix machine, and they're lost. Unix geeks are the opposite--these are, i believe, the geeks you are talking about.
The functions are pretty standard across platforms. One's interaction and method of accessing said functions change as you hop from platform to platform..GUI to GUI.. but the theory and the purpose stays the same.
;this i have to disagree with. there are very few fundamental architecture similiarities between Unix and Windows (read: "under the hood"). even the GUI's--apart from, say, the "taskbar" or "dock" style of end user interfaces--do not share similar methodology. windows is inherently limited in that the GUI has (at least historically) come first, then the command line. Unix/Linux is exactly the opposite.
...but overall...the only difference (to the user) is the interface.You said that people may not be 'capable' to learn something new. I say thats nonsense...
;ok, here's where i'm going to get my face chewed off. i am going to go out on a limb and make the assertion that most microsoft network and systems administrators (read: MCSA/MCSE's) would have a very difficult time learning Unix architecture. several reason:
- administering windows (even at the highest level) does not require programmatic knowledge of the architecture.
- windows products denote a certain homogeny. a comfort level with microsoft products lends one to a less adaptable nature because one is not require to "hop around" from system to system in a homogenous environment.
- interface idioms in windows base products lead users to associate those idioms with the back end functionality of the system. this concept does not apply to Unix systems. for example: running an executable on windows is running the program. there is little or no thought to the libraries behind that executable.
;here's the flamebait. simply put: Unix geeks are smarter (read: hacker ethos). to be self-initiated on the level of C programming or complex shell scripting takes a special breed of individual. i simply do not see evidence that those who have this personal drive are using windows or care to. conversly, i do not see evidence that those who are using windows are *capable* (think: chess club member, higher percentile intelligence) to teach themselves unix--learning unix is not a matter of simply "toying around" with a GUI.
Its all based on logic...
;there is very little logic in microsoft products.
Once you get the interface down, then all it comes down to is making a list of what functions are used in the current system, and how those functions are accessed and executed in the new.
;again, simply not true. unix is not "all about the GUI" as windows is. therefore, functions cannot be "intuited" or derived as they can on windows systems. setting up a linux-based mail server, for example is not just a matter of popping in a cd-rom, following an install wizard, and configuring the software with a GUI--this is to say nothing of their quality, it is merely a reference to how the configuration process transpires.
;treehead
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Also Reported In...
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has a closely related story: Software disasters are often people problems. Well, duh: "Garbage in; garbage out."
What I find really interesting is that this story, or various versions of it, while hardly "new," starts popping up on news sites all at once? It sounds like some organization is running a PR campaign, but it isn't quite astroturfing.
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Re:Just cut the cables.
That the internet (AKA Arpanet) was built for the purpose of withstanding a nuclear blast is a myth. It was a happy coincidence.
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Re:Huh?
They followed the proper nomenclature (a pleasant surprise to me) and called malicious hackers "crackers".
See http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/C/cracker.html
and then this:
http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
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Re:Huh?
They followed the proper nomenclature (a pleasant surprise to me) and called malicious hackers "crackers".
See http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/C/cracker.html
and then this:
http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
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Re:What's the beef with rebooting?Just in case you didn't actually know:
uptime : n.
Technically, a machine's time since last reboot; jargonically, how long a hacker has gone without sleep. "What's your uptime?" "Oh, about 28 hours so far, but I think I can probably do another 12." This is, of course, a reference to the uptime command and the pride with which most Unix types note how long their computers go without reboots. Uptime is a testament to the stability of the OS and the stamina of the hacker.
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Has anyone actually RTFA...rather than launching into a "UN is evil, corrupt and anti-American" rant?? He actually suggests using the net, you know web pages, forums, chat lines, all that kind of goodness we as netizens are used to to bring us all together (even if for a good slagging match). He is not suggesting that the UN should run the internet FFS.
And I have to applaud this idea. We have all seen how good the net is at getting people to talk to each other from very far flung communities - here I am ranting against yanks yet again after all
;-) The processes and mechanisms of the UN are derived from the great committees and councils that were the best way we knew to organise nations over a hundred years ago. Now it is time to move on and utilise 21st century means of communication and organisation within the UN. Committees can now meet virtually on the web. Non-members can contribute even if not present. We can all see what is going on. Surely we netizens can appreciate the possibilities. Sure it may degenerate into flame wars again and again (much as the security council has done for the last 40 years when Israel comes up).Perhaps the United Nations of the 21st Century will be a Bazaar not a Cathedral?
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Couldn't help but think of this
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Definative definition of nerdFrom the jargon file:
nerd: n.
- [mainstream slang] Pejorative applied to anyone with an above-average IQ and few gifts at small talk and ordinary social rituals.
- [jargon] Term of praise applied (in conscious ironic reference to sense 1) to someone who knows what's really important and interesting and doesn't care to be distracted by trivial chatter and silly status games. Compare geek.
The word itself appears to derive from the lines "And then, just to show them, I'll sail to Ka-Troo / And Bring Back an It-Kutch, a Preep and a Proo, / A Nerkle, a Nerd, and a Seersucker, too!" in the Dr. Seuss book If I Ran the Zoo (1950). (The spellings 'nurd' and 'gnurd' also used to be current at MIT, where 'nurd' is reported from as far back as 1957; however, knurd appears to have a separate etymology.) How it developed its mainstream meaning is unclear, but sense 1 seems to have entered mass culture in the early 1970s (there are reports that in the mid-1960s it meant roughly "annoying misfit" without the connotation of intelligence.
Hackers developed sense 2 in self-defense perhaps ten years later, and some actually wear "Nerd Pride" buttons, only half as a joke. At MIT one can find not only buttons but (what else?) pocket protectors bearing the slogan and the MIT seal.
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Where's Eric S. Raymond? What about the EFF?
Where's ESR?
Where's Brad Templeton or other EFF directors?