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Don't forget the fact the Yanks give God knows how many billions of Dollars to a regime that's in violation of over 100 UN Resultions and has killed over 3000 innocent civilans since 2000... oh the fucking irony.

Nobody ever gives the other size of that particular equation--over a thousand innocent Israeli civilians will killed by palestinian terrorists in the same time frame. Also, the EU has given over a billion dollars to the Palestinian Authority over the last decade, some of which has been diverted to terrorist organizations. But blaming America is an international sport, so what the hell.

I used to be... let's not say anti-Israel, but rather of the opinion that there was no "right" side in that particular conflict. And then it was presented to me that Israel isn't trying to kill civilians--the terrorist leadership make their homes in highly populated areas so that if Israel ever comes knocking they either have to take ALOT of trouble to do so surgically, otherwise they risk killing large numbers of civillians. Sometimes Israel does the former, but usually the latter.

The Palestinians, on the other hand, intentionally kill civillians--it isn't collateral damage, they're the primary fucking target.

So excuse me if I don't feel the outrage others do when Israel assassinates the leader of the Islamic Jihad, or when they blow up the leader of Hamas and bystanders get caught in the crossfire. It also never ceases to amaze me how anybody can regard things like the above as "crimes."

All of the above said, I still think there are some things Israel does that are horrible--personally, I find things like destroying the homes of families of terrorists to be barbaric. I also don't like the amount of money my country sends to them each year. But all-in-all, Israel certainly has the moral high ground.

OK, so I did a quick Google search for you to give you an idea of some stories that talk about workers dropping off the lists. It's worse now than it was at the start of the Bubble era, and I cannot believe there is anyone out there looking for work who disagrees with that.

One sample story

Second sample story

Third sample story

The idea is so obvious and self-evident that I'm going to stop here. It's just a waste of time. All those looking for work know what I'm saying. They're living it.

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Andy Rooney summed it up best.

I prefer more voters than less voters, but ignorant voters is kind-of how we got to where we are today (in addition to the politically motivated disenfranchising as mentioned in a parent post, above).

You are so farking out of date, it's sad. Try looking at the Senate Intelligence Committee report on the subject. Joe Wilson didn't even have access to the documents he claimed were forged. Also, his wife had recommended him for the job, and that Joe's little quasi-investigation actually raised suspicions about Iraq and Niger. (Nigerian officials said that Iraq had come looking to do business in the country. Niger's #1 export is Uranium. Their #2 export is cattle.)

I have read the report (at least the parts publicly released) and I am suprised you would try to use them to defend the administration, since it basically reinforces the assertion that there was no real evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. As long as we are using editorials as hard news, try this this oppinion piece from the editor of The Nation It goes into great depth analysing the report and the spin placed on it. You might also try this article at Salon.com. The part that is most illuminating is that fact that those excerpts of the report that some consider contradicting Wilson were actually addendums to the original report added by several Republican committee members AFTER the uranium contraversy broke. The rest of the report backs up Wilson's version. Can we say partisan politics?

Nevermind that Valerie Plame, it has been discovered, was not undercover, and no law may have been broken by telling Bob Novak that she worked at the CIA.

Plame may not have been deployed at that exact moment, but her role as a CIA agent was not public knowlege, she had been deployed in the past and could have been in the future. Let me remind you that a special procecutor has been assigned to investigate this debacle, and even the President has been deposed over it. This is not something that would have been done if Plame had been just some low level functionary with no undercover role.

Ugh, the spin on this article, both the headline and the editorial comment by Michael, is annoying. (The actual NYTimes piece is worth reading.)

1) Old news. All this analysis that the tubes could have, or even
were fairly likely to have been used for rockets, not centrifuges
was known and public in Dec2002-Mar 2003. If you don't remember
it, you just weren't paying attention. It's even old news that
the Energy Department and State Department experts were the
ones disagreeing. (What *is* news is that the caliber of experts
that said the tubes were likely not for centrifuges was not
made public at that time to the best of my knowledge.)

2) Michael grossly mischaracterizes the Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld
position at the time as saying the "tubes were slam-dunk evidence".

That was *not* the way the White House or the administration
presented the case at the time. The tone of 95% of their statements
was basically... well, we're not sure but it doesn't look good.
There is evidence that Saddam is reconstituting his nuclear program, etc.
What are we going to do about it?

In fact, the "slam dunk" comment was made *in private* by CIA director
Tenet to George Bush when Bush told the director that the case seemed
weak and was that the best info he had? At least that's the
story documented by Bob Woodward's book that came out a year after
the war, "Plan of Attack" (WSJ opinion,
a longer CBS News summary.)

Now why Tenet said it was a slam dunk is a bit of a mystery to me.
And it presumably is the basis for the 2-3 statemtents pre-war
made to various obscure audiences but reported in the mainstream
press where Bush or Cheney said things like "we *know* Iraq
has WMD"... statements that were remarkable and notable precisely
because the administration was generally not so definitive in
saying that Iraq had WMD... most of their statements centered
around Saddam's recalcitrance in the light of various UN resolutions
and inspectors.

Hey, I'll go so far as to say Bush misled the American people
and/or made a poor decision to go to war, knowing that the evidence
was thin. And I think that is a #1 reason not to vote for him.
But I don't think a Slashdot article heading "White House Lied
About Iraq Nuclear Programs" or a editorial comment that the
administration was announcing that the tubes were "slam-dunk evidence"
is right. It's really sad to see such misrepresentation of what happened.

--LP

Jim Hightower seem to have forgotten something (unless I missed it in my speed read), it cost a city about $420,000 per Wal Mart for social service rendered to Wal Marts low wage "full timers"

"...Because of the low wages and because people do not have health insurance through their employer, people rely on public support to make ends meet," says the school's Ken Jacobs. Estimates are the result is a tab to California taxpayers of $82-million a year for health care, food stamps, and other social services.LINK

Speaking of which, we havn't heard a word about him since his capture, maybe the show trial starts just in time for the election?

Haven't heard a word about him since his capture? You haven't been paying attention.

There was Wall to Wall coverage of his First day in court, in July.

LK

First Ever South Atlantic Hurricane Hits Brazil. (March of 2004)

South American Glaciers Melting Faster, Changing Sea Level.

Alaskan Glaciers Melting Faster.

desertification in China.

desertification in Africa.

Heck, even the rest of the solar system is acting funny. Remember the. . .

Blue Band on Jupiter this past March of 2004?

and

the Huge X-class solar flares of last year?

Interestingly, the evidence of past hurricanes categorized by decade suggests that there have been big hurricanes to make US landfall before. Indeed, the worst decade, from 1950-1959 saw a total of nine storms between category 3 and 4, (though none of category 5) during that ten year period. Sure. But we've just had four in just one summer. Nobody can say that this is par for any course.

Now, I am not claiming that this has anything to do with global warming. But anybody who tells me that everything is normal probably swore up and down that The Phantom Menace was a good film for a whole year after it came out.

-FL

Here.

I'd say the AC was meaning if a company sells a product IT knows to be dangerous (and doesn't tell anyone about it) then they should be just as liable as a person since they have the equivalent rights.

The original Ford Mustang gas tank is an example, story here.

In terms of voter intimidation tactics, the Repubs are already preparing for this year... (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/opinion/20herbe rt.html, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A337 98-2004Aug25.html) I respect differing opinions, but I think that turning a blind eye to the controversy of the 2000 election is just willful ignorance. At least admit there was controversy about the vote in 2000! The fact is that there WAS. I am so worried about the vote this year that I could tear my hair out. Wouldn't it be *amazing* and interesting and an incredible show of integrity if Bush were to say "screw these crazy touch screen machines, I want everyone to have a RECEIPT or some kind of printed verification of their vote. I don't want any question about my winning this time!" But you'll never see that happen, he'd rather take it to the Supreme Court and hash it out there.

My ninth cousin, twice removed. I hear he got some experience somewhere awhile back.

a few years back, the indisputed fact that the US has _by far_ the highest incarceration rate in the world

You're right, we do have the highest incarceration rate in the world, but it's not by far the highest rate.

Umm...Mods? How in any way is this interesting?

Come on Slashdot! You complain about "Faux" News being a bastion of republican influence and then promote slanderous bile like this to a +5 score--sometimes in the same thread!

...needed Cheney with him at 9/11 comission hearings...

Say what you will, but if there were an organized determined segment of people trying to discredit you at every chance, you'd be careful too. It's not an indication of guilt. Were there any inconsistency between their stories--no matter how minor or insignificant--people like you would be calling for impeachment.

...was paralysed when informed of WTC attacks...

Weren't we all? The fact is that a terrorist attack already in progress is almost impossible to stop. I'd bet you believe that John Kerry would be Man-of-Action and get fighter jets up in the air within minutes of the first plane crash--bullshit. Hindsight is 20/20. Something the democrats are going to find out is that having ONLY criticism like the above without proposing better solutions for the future doesn't help anyone.

...his religious delusions of granduer ("God speaks through me")...

Oh really? Find me where and when he said that. Or was that just a quote from your imagination? I guess it doesn't matter if your sources are wrong, provided you have an unwavering faith in the validity of the overall story, right?

You're making the mistake many liberals make by confusing Bush's pandering to the conservative "Bible-Belt," with his personal beliefs. In actuality, GWB--and the Bush family in general--are quite religiously moderate.

...his alienation of the US from the world community, his simplistic black/white view of the world ("You're either with us, or against us"), his occasional grammatical gaffes...

Fair enough. Nobody except your conservative counterparts are saying he was the best president ever, and even though I myself will probably vote for him in November, I will have many reservations in doing so.

-Grym

There are a lot of people, on TV and on the Internet, who overanalyze the details of politics, and show no interest in the big issues.

For an example of one of the big issues, consider this: The U.S. government is borrowing money to kill Iraqis.

Before, Saddam was killing. Now, the U.S. government is killing and destabilizing, and U.S. taxpayers are supporting the violence. Do you consider that an improvement?

The violence helps rich people like the Bush family and Dick Cheney's friends to profit. (The Bush family says they have sold their interest in Carlyle Group, and they no longer are connected. However, the company is privately held, and there is no way of verifying statements made about ownership.)

A lot of the problems in the U.S. seem to be connected with karma. Make trouble in the world, and your own quality of life will go down.

Those are big issues that are not sufficiently discussed. If they were discussed, many of the complicated projections being made now would be worthless. The U.S. government's system of violence depends on ignorance. Those who discuss politics while avoiding the big issues become part of the system of violence.

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Bush's education improvements were partly fraud

Your "prediction" about Japan ignores Japan's high investment rates in automation.

Are you referring to the robots that Japan is building to care for the elderly in it's nursing homes since there won't be enough young people around to work and take care of the eldery?

The Nursing Home Of The Future?
Japan's Push Button Nursing."
Japan Seeks Robotic Help in Caring for the Aged


I say to you sir, that warehousing the elderly of a society in storage facilities that are manned by robots is immoral. A society should have more respect for elders and care for them better.

I can not follow your argument between "slave holders vs. automation.", perhaps you could elaborate. I am not arguing we need more people to pick cotton or do slave labor. I am arguing that society must maintain certain proportions (percentage of young to old) in order to maintain stability over the longterm with social programs intact.

Yes, given bad information, Congress did vote for the authority to go to way. Every country in the world? Come on. Not the UN Security council.

The bad information came from the other countries, Jordan, one of Iraq's neighbors, was one of them. EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD EXCEPT FRANCE GERMANY AND RUSSIA, and that is because of economic ties to Iraq. The UN Security council is not a country.

So you belive that some people are guilty until proven innocent? Please. All I want is due process and equal protection, the tenants of our freedom.

Where in the patriot act does it say that they aren't given a trial? Are you a terrorist?

Which Iraqis? The prime minister? Please. Let's talk to the Iraqis on the street.

Yes, Lets: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/WorldNewsToni ght/iraq_poll_040405.html. You look at all the numbers and you come to the conclusion that Iraqi's want their own government, and they are tired of the violence. Now take a look at THIS POLL conducted shortly after the invasion and there was far more support then. With insurgents blowing things up and taking over mosques, you see the numbers go down just like they have in the US (which is fucking pathetic) but still, there is widespread support in Iraq for the US cause. The same people saying they want America out are the ones who put Osama Bin Laden at the top of their "greatest world leaders" list.

No. GW is the enemy because he does things that I disagree with. I was a republican until he took office.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA, you funny. Why don't you watch more Fox news? This is a stupid cop out.

I've heard that repeated... and I agree that Saddam was a bad man. How many people did Saddam actually kill in a year? When you quote numbers in the hundreds of thousands, you're obviously including Iranian numbers from the Iran-Iraq war. I question whether the invasion saved Iraqi lives. At any rate, I don't think it's possible to justify killing thousands of people on the grounds that they might have been killed anyway. At any rate, if it's true that Saddam killed so many, why do the Iraqis not welcome the US? If Saddam was that brutal, they would be glad as hell we were there and would be fighting alongside the US. As for all the insurgents being foriegn, I don't belive that for a second. Iraq's borders have been sealed since the show began, and if they haven't, it would be a major millitary blunder. The real issue is this. Do real Iraqis on the streets feel that the US invasion was worth it? If you can prove to me that the majority of Iraqis feel it was, (without going to Fox news), I will withdraw my claims.

If you think the insurgents aren't crossing over the border you're an idiot. READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THIS REPORT. Now look at the position you find yourself in. You're trying to tell me "Look, Saddam Hussein didn't kill THAT many people. Estimates are that we have uncovered mass burial sites with around 400,000 Iraqi's buried in them. They were trying to take his power away! That's what they get! What we did was senseless though, killing innocent republican guard. You were a republican? Did you ever think you would be defending Saddam Hussein at the expense of our own republican president? That is just absurd, don't tell me you were once a republican. That is the biggest pile of shit I've ever seen.

Nobody is justifying the thousands of people killed on the ground. I will tell you though, almost all of them were fighters, and we didn't make them suffer needlessly. The Iraqi's did welcome the US. They're well aware of what Saddam was like. And they did welcome the US. See the polls I linked earlier. But aside from that, forget what the polls say, forget what the Iraqi's want, we d

I say that because I have also heard the argument that there was no waiting list at all, but instead as few as 10 other applicants. I guess my question is, how do we know the status of the "waiting list" for the TANG in 1968? How do we know which people on it were even medically qualified? Since you have said this was a fact I was curious if you could help clear up the matter and cite a source.

and then failed to show up for a flight physical after the US spent approx $1M to train him as a pilot.

Was Bush obligated to obtain his flight physical? I ask this because I am a military aviator and know that I am required to make sure I get my annual physical. I have never heard of anyone missing a physical, but then again Bush was in the last year of his obligation, and temporarily assigned to a non-flying squadron while his permanent squadron was phasing out his aircraft. If I knew that I wasn't going to fly an aircraft for my remaining time in the military and was just closing a deal to go back to college, I wouldn't go out of my way to obtain a flight physical either. Oh, and this was all after something like 4-5 years as a guard pilot... it is not like he got his initial training and vanished.

This is just a reflection of how polarized our society has become; it was accelerated post 1994, and 9/11 -> Iraq has sent it around the moon and back again.

The article really just re-enforces my thought that it doesn't really matter what news source you read at any point in time, as long as you are reading many different sources on every side of an issue [to the extent possible]. Then you can settle on the truth being somewhere in the middle.

but this is just bullsh!t no matter which side you are on:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/24/politics /main645393.shtml

"I know that I didn't type them," says Knox. "However, the information in those is correct."

You keep tracking the rumors from your propaganda mill. The truth is that Bush Sr got Bush Jr into the National Guard ahead of a line of people who were sent to Vietnam instead. Their names on the Vietnam memorial forced the conscience of Ben Barnes to confess their draft dodging.

Why doesn't that matter to you? Why don't you care that your president dodged the draft? How blind can you be?

"A Kerry presidency will leave us drifting and crippled for four years at a time when we could ill afford it."

The president does not run the country directly. The White House staff numbers about 5,500, for example. A president assures that the government follows the needs of the people. A president guards against corruption. I think Kerry is an honest and decent person. I think very few decent people know what to do when they are being constantly attacked. Kerry has been in the Senate for 20 years, as I remember. If there were something seriously wrong with him, I think the voters would have noticed it by now.

On the other hand, Bush and Cheney are the most secretive president and vice president in U.S. history. For example, read Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush, a very well-written book by a man who is definitely in a position to understand corruption at the top. It is possible to read enough to get an understanding of the secrecy while reading the book in a bookstore.

Bush and Cheney are the president and vice-president most affected by conflict of interest in U.S. history.

The U.S. government's war with Iraq is an example of "drifting and crippled". Both Bush and Cheney and friends and family benefit from situations where there are more weapons contracts, as the 3 movies and 35 books reviewed the article Unprecedented Corruption: A guide to conflict of interest in the U.S. government discuss. The Iraq war has made enemies of tens of millions of moderate Arabs and Muslims. Before, Saddam was killing his people. Now, the U.S. government is killing Iraqis, and destabilizing the government. Is that and improvement? Should Iraqis be proud that they are being killed by the U.S. government? A lot of foggy-minded people in the U.S. seem to think that.

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Bush's education improvements were partly fraud

Product Lifecycle Dates says, "Windows XP Professional Mainstream Support Retired: 31-Dec-2006". [2 years and 2 months from today]

What does that mean, "Mainstream Support Retired"? Here's what it means for Windows XP Professional:

Microsoft's Support Lifecycle Support Policy FAQ: Non-security hotfix support -- Requires extended hotfix agreement, purchased within 90 days of mainstream support ending.

This means that you must pay more money, and if for some reason you don't jump through the right hoop at exactly the right time, you cannot have the support at any price.

What does declared product death mean for Windows XP Home? No support of any kind. Microsoft has declared the death of a product most home users will not want to "upgrade" in only two years two months. That's why I say Mr. Bill Gates is the world's most well-known mortician.

XP Pro has been VERY buggy for us. It has not been as bad as Windows ME, but it has been very expensive because it needs updating every month, usually, and because Microsoft has not been willing to fix bugs, even though they have been reported to Microsoft Technical Support CPR (Critical Path Response). For example, Windows XP problems: Port Re-direction.

So, even if you accept the idea that the hundreds of fixes in Service Pack 2, some of them not documented, bring Windows XP to an acceptably buggy state, then we will get only 2 years and 2 months of full support, after being dragged over the coals because of Microsoft's incredible lack of caring and incredible sloppiness in programming.

I find this disgusting, and we are already planning to move our products to Linux.

People in the U.S. seem to fall into two broad groups: Those who know when they are being abused, and those who give excuses for abuse no matter how extreme it is. This has consequences far more extreme than allowing Microsoft's abusive behavior. For example, for half of U.S. citizens see nothing wrong with these examples of U.S. government corruption:

24 wars since WW2: Creating fear so rich people can profit.

Bush's education improvements were partly fraud

Bush: Spending money the U.S. doesn't have to try to make his administration look good.

who in their right mind would write a national voting system in Microsoft Access?!?

How about a company who has a vested interest in creating an insecure voting system that is easily manipulated?

There are tons of links. Here is the CBS version of the mistake. Most other outlets are much more harsh.

..and we all know how savvy cbs news is

Okay, one answer is that CmdrTaco got it wrong. He said, "IBM Tech Detects & Changes Spin of Single Electron". He should have said, "IBM Tech Detects & Changes Spin of Single Atom". Huge difference.

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Bush's education improvements were partly fraud

I should add that I agree that Michael Moore is very imperfect as a filmmaker. However Fahrenheit 9/11 has already grossed $203,561,908 on a $6 million investment. It is by far the most popular documentary of all time, in the entire world.

Even the 35 books reviewed in Unprecedented Corruption: A guide to conflict of interest in the U.S. government don't discuss all the corruption. Michael Moore did a far from perfect job, but it is very difficult to present all that he did in just 2 hours.

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Bush's education improvements were partly fraud

Home video sales now account for nearly 60 percent of Hollywood's revenue. DVD sales are not only the fastest growing part of the movie business, they're changing the way Hollywood does business.
He says DVD sales can save a film like "Dark Blue," which pulled in a modest $9 million in theaters. "It actually did more revenues in DVD than it did at the box office," says McGurk, because the DVD market is a man's world.
Blockbuster films now often sell more than 10 million DVDs in the U.S. alone. And that's at $20 a pop. And with DVD players still in only half of American homes, Hollywood believes those soaring sales will just get hotter still.

Finding Nemo grossed $320 million from DVD sales in 2003. "Consumers spend more money on the DVD version of almost every movie than they do on that same movie in theaters, including blockbusters such as The Lord of the Rings, Finding Nemo and Pirates of the Caribbean" (USA Today). CNN/Money reports that the movie studios "pocket roughly 80 cents of every dollar on each DVD sold, a take well above the 50 cents for each dollar at the box office" and The Hollywood Reporter says that "studios are earning about 60% more upon initial release from video sales of theatrical feature films than they did during the VHS-only era". So, not only are video sales up overall, DVDs are more profitable for the media companies than VHS or the box office.

And the future looks rosy as well. PriceWaterhouseCoopers has a sample chapter of their Global Entertainment and Media Outlook 2004-2008 report online which says:

We project filmed entertainment spending in the United States, EMEA (Europe, Middle East, and Africa), Asia/Pacific, Latin America, and Canada will rise at a 7.5 percent compound annual rate, reaching $108 billion in 2008 from $75.3 billion in 2003. EMEA will be the fastest-growing region, rising by 10.3 percent compounded annually to $36.9 billion in 2008 compared with $22.6 billion in 2003. The U.S. market will expand at a 6.3 percent rate, from $34.3 billion in 2003 to $46.6 billion in 2008. Spending in Asia/Pacific will increase from $13.3 billion to $17.3 billion in the five-year period, growing at a 5.4 percent compound annual rate. Filmed entertainment in Latin America will total $1.6 billion in 2008, up from $1.3 billion in 2003, representing a 4.6 percent gain compounded annually. Spending in Canada will rise from $3.9 billion in 2003 to $5.6 billion in 2008, 7.7 percent compounded annually.

This is anything BUT piracy eating into sales. Mr. Lucas, would you like to change your answer?

Yeah the traditional press would never run a news story that was full of factual errors. And a blog could never do a more thorough fact checking job than traditional media.

These people apparently monitor CBS

Honestly, the day FOX News admits they've been making mistakes all this time is the day people will stop calling them partisan and biased.

I still don't know wtf you're talking about. Maybe you're confusing Fox News with some other news network.

But shouldn't there be some documents somewhere that show that he did show up? I mean, more than just those dental records?

You mean like personnel cards and service records and pay records?

What you're saying is, "There's no documents saying he wasn't there, so he must have been there."

No, what I'm saying is that claims that he was not there have not been supported by any facts, therefore those claims are baseless.

You can give me dental records and pay stubs, but all that tells me is that he got work done and a paycheck on the taxpayers' tab.

Actually, what it tells you is that he was where he said he was and that the people who say that he wasn't are flat-out lying. But please don't feel an obligation to believe that or anything. Feel free to continue to be a dipshit.

But shouldn't there be some documents somewhere that show that he did show up? I mean, more than just those dental records?

You mean like personnel cards and service records and pay records?

What you're saying is, "There's no documents saying he wasn't there, so he must have been there."

No, what I'm saying is that claims that he was not there have not been supported by any facts, therefore those claims are baseless.

You can give me dental records and pay stubs, but all that tells me is that he got work done and a paycheck on the taxpayers' tab.

Actually, what it tells you is that he was where he said he was and that the people who say that he wasn't are flat-out lying. But please don't feel an obligation to believe that or anything. Feel free to continue to be a dipshit.

But shouldn't there be some documents somewhere that show that he did show up? I mean, more than just those dental records?

You mean like personnel cards and service records and pay records?

What you're saying is, "There's no documents saying he wasn't there, so he must have been there."

No, what I'm saying is that claims that he was not there have not been supported by any facts, therefore those claims are baseless.

You can give me dental records and pay stubs, but all that tells me is that he got work done and a paycheck on the taxpayers' tab.

Actually, what it tells you is that he was where he said he was and that the people who say that he wasn't are flat-out lying. But please don't feel an obligation to believe that or anything. Feel free to continue to be a dipshit.

Or what Dan Rather was doing, which was Lying
Admits memos were fake, they were decieved, and should not have gone with story. Doesn't admit he has been going after Bush Jr. since Bush Senior embarrased him on the air, a long time ago. Poor Dan, you used to be respected.

Check it out. Bush leading 50% to 41% amoung registered (not even "likely") voters.

Now, are you also going to argue that CBS and the New York Times are biased towards Republicans?

For the uninitiated, "CYA Memo Diff" is the comparision of two documents during W's Guard years.

Wow! It's a game of "How do you feel?" I can contribute to that!

How do you feel about the fact that Bush's education improvements in Texas were at least partly Fraud?

How do you feel about George W. Bush holding hands in public with Saudi Arabia's "Prince Bandar", especially since al Qaeda's prime complaint is that the U.S. government is interfering with Saudi politics, and the U.S. government is, in fact, doing that, partly through this man the Bush family calls "Bandar Bush"? (See the network TV footage shown in the movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" for the hand holding.)

How do you feel about the fact that the U.S. government has engaged in 24 wars since WW2? The U.S. government seems to create fear to get support from the people, so rich people can profit from violence.

How do you feel about the fact that Bush and Cheney are the most arrested U.S. leaders in history? Bush says he has been arrested 3 times, once for the very serious crime of driving while drunk. Cheney has been arrested at least twice, both times for driving while drunk:

George W. Bush DUI, 1st record of arrest
George W. Bush DUI, 2nd record of arrest

Dick Cheney DUI, record of 1st arrest
Dick Cheney DUI, record of 2nd arrest

DUI means "Driving Under the Influence" of alcohol. A DUI is a conviction for a very serious crime, a crime that endangers everyone on the road, a crime that often kills people. A DUI conviction means that the driver felt such a strong need to be drunk that he or she was willing to take a chance of murder.

How do you feel about the fact that family life is so stressful in the U.S. that children turn to drugs to try to cope:

"The daughter of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was arrested... ... while allegedly trying to buy the anti-anxiety drug Xanax." (Jeb Bush is George W. Bush's brother.) Noelle Bush was arrested and charged with fraud, not for trying to buy marijuana, but for trying to buy an anti-anxiety drug. Why was she willing to break the law to buy a drug to become less anxious? Because living in her family is very anxiety-producing?

George W. Bush's daughters seem to be imitating their alcoholic father. The BBC article, Alcohol sentence for Bush daughter, says that "Barbara and Jenna Bush were both charged." Ask yourself, why do these teenage women feel they need a drug like alcohol so badly that they are willing to break the law?

Top 10 Reasons to Vote for John Kerry:

10. John Kerry would handle the war in Iraq differently. I think.
9. He's got better hair.
8. John Kerry will personally create thousands of jobs in America.
7. He has a plan for America's future. I think.
6. George Bush stole the last election.
5. I think John Kerry may have served in Vietnam.
4. George Bush didn't go to Vietnam, AND he skipped a physical!
3. The french people and the rest of the world all like him best.
2. Didn't he get some medals in Vietnam?
1. He's Not George Bush! (TM)


Top 10 Reasons to Vote for George Bush:

10. George Bush is Tough on Terrorism.(TM)
9. He supports educating children.
8. George Bush freed all those Afgan and Iraqi people. Personally.
7. He will lower your taxes.
6. George Bush was President on September 11th, 2001.
5. John Kerry's medals are fakes.
4. Those CBS memos were forged, duh.
3. The french people and the rest of the world all hate him most.
2. He's not as rich as John Kerry.
1. George Bush will keep America safe.

Top 10 Reasons to Vote for John Kerry:

10. John Kerry would handle the war in Iraq differently. I think.
9. He's got better hair.
8. John Kerry will personally create thousands of jobs in America.
7. He has a plan for America's future. I think.
6. George Bush stole the last election.
5. I think John Kerry may have served in Vietnam.
4. George Bush didn't go to Vietnam, AND he skipped a physical!
3. The french people and the rest of the world all like him best.
2. Didn't he get some medals in Vietnam?
1. He's Not George Bush! (TM)


Top 10 Reasons to Vote for George Bush:

10. George Bush is Tough on Terrorism.(TM)
9. He supports educating children.
8. George Bush freed all those Afgan and Iraqi people. Personally.
7. He will lower your taxes.
6. George Bush was President on September 11th, 2001.
5. John Kerry's medals are fakes.
4. Those CBS memos were forged, duh.
3. The french people and the rest of the world all hate him most.
2. He's not as rich as John Kerry.
1. George Bush will keep America safe.

Top 10 Reasons to Vote for John Kerry:

10. John Kerry would handle the war in Iraq differently. I think.
9. He's got better hair.
8. John Kerry will personally create thousands of jobs in America.
7. He has a plan for America's future. I think.
6. George Bush stole the last election.
5. I think John Kerry may have served in Vietnam.
4. George Bush didn't go to Vietnam, AND he skipped a physical!
3. The french people and the rest of the world all like him best.
2. Didn't he get some medals in Vietnam?
1. He's Not George Bush! (TM)


Top 10 Reasons to Vote for George Bush:

10. George Bush is Tough on Terrorism.(TM)
9. He supports educating children.
8. George Bush freed all those Afgan and Iraqi people. Personally.
7. He will lower your taxes.
6. George Bush was President on September 11th, 2001.
5. John Kerry's medals are fakes.
4. Those CBS memos were forged, duh.
3. The french people and the rest of the world all hate him most.
2. He's not as rich as John Kerry.
1. George Bush will keep America safe.

He's right. In Windows XP, Click on Start/ Control Panel/ System/ Advanced/ Startup and Recovery Settings/. Uncheck "Automatically Restart".

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Bush's education improvements were fraud

I suspect more non-Americans than Americans are taking a really keen interest in this election. Considering that only, what, 40-odd percent of eligible voters actually bother to turn out on election day in the states, you could hardly say interest there is raging, despite the fanatical partisans we see all the time on the news. Given the disproportionate effect that US policies have on my country (Australia), I would kill to be able to vote in this election.

Of course, if non-US citizens could vote, it's pretty clear what the result would be. Although maybe we shouldn't publicise this, it might provoke a nationalistic wave of support for you know who...

Switch your major to politics/political theory. I don't think politicians have much worry of being downsized or outsourced.

Great example: Marion Barry

Case in point: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/26/sunday/m ain560595.shtml

Not all nuclear reactors. I'm afraid China is going to be the one who shows the west how it's done. I guess we'll let China whip us for the next ten years or fifteen years, then adopt what pans out.

Well, assuming we aren't still whining about 'Intellectual Property' and draining our resources fighting 'Rouge Dictators' when they have beaten us in cloning, stem cell treatments, computer science, computer hardware, and space exploration. Energy production almost seems small by comparison.

This just goes to demonstrate that Dan Rather is telling the truth -- it 's practically impossible to produce small superscripted text on a computer, especially when compared to a good old reliable typewriter.

It turns out that USA Today has "copies" of the same documents. Except they aren't the same.

USA Today's Versions

And

CBS's versions

Look them over c arefully. One of the memos which is reproduced is REDACTED to hide an address, the other is not at all. Also notice that you can see through the redaction, which means the redaction was done AT THE POINT OF SCANNING because I have NEVER seen a photocopy which had enough resolution to show through a black marker.

Face it. The whole thing is a very clumsy forgery.