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I've heard theories (not from the link) about the Earth's core being crystalline.

So where does Mars get off having a liquid one?

And the distributer will claim it costs them 98.9 cents per song, so the writer and artists get to split the remaining fraction of a cent...

By U.S. law, the songwriter can demand 8 cents per track from the record label, which the songwriter usually splits 50:50 with his publisher (source: Songwriting FOR DUMMIES, The Complete Idiot's Guide to Songwriting, and most of the surrounding books at my local b&n store). So if you want to make money in the music business, write your own songs.

But does the law even let you write your own songs? It's possible for a songwriter to get sued and lose for writing a song that, in his best judgment at the time he wrote it, was original, but in fact was accidentally plagiarized from another popular song.

How about the Metrobots that are Sony AIBO robots used as embodied multi-agent systems that play robotic soccer too.

They are planning to enter the RoboCup American Open at CMU in Spring of 2003 and hoping to participate in RoboCup 2003 in Padua Italy.

Suhit

If the music publishers owned by the major labels (aol, umg, bmg, sony) cross-license their songs, there is no infringement. However, if you're not already affiliated with a major music publisher, and you write a song, you will be sued. And if you don't already have millions in the bank, you will lose in the end because any victory will be Pyrrhic.

Especially since 4 bars is enough to constitute a copyright violation (was it 4? Can't remember).

G. F. Handel's publisher won a lawsuit over four notes.

Ronald Mack's publisher sued George Harrison's publisher and won, despite the fact that both sides agreed that George Harrison was not aware that he was copying anything.

I hardly think borrowing a chord progression or snippet of melody counts as copyright infringement

The case I refer to is Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music . George Harrison lost over copying eight notes. This and other music copyright infringement cases can be found at Columbia Law Library.

I hardly think borrowing a chord progression or snippet of melody counts as copyright infringement

The case I refer to is Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music . George Harrison lost over copying eight notes. This and other music copyright infringement cases can be found at Columbia Law Library.

A fake id

The law punishes those who use fraudulent IDs even worse than it punishes small-scale copyright infringers.

A lot of [bar bands] write their own music.

How can a songwriter make sure that he's writing his own songs and not unconsciously plagiarizing somebody else's?

If the file is legally obtained say self-produced then the original artist (you) will have a very clear case for copyright infringement.

A recording is distinct from its underlying musical work. If you self-produced the recording, then who wrote the song? If you claim to have written the song yourself, how do you know you didn't unconsciously copy it from somebody else's copyrighted work?

So they have just violated Federal Copyright law by clandestinely adding a digital fingerprint.

And you have just violated Federal Copyright law by recording somebody else's song.

. . . One day a few years back, while working on the helpdesk hotline Columbia's IT department runs, I got a call from a law professor wanting to report portscan attempts on his office box. I assured him that I had the same thing happen on my personal box connected to the campus network, that they were done by people who were probing the entire Columbia network as opposed to him specifically, and that as long as he made sure to follow security bulletins and upgrade software when appropriate he probably didn't have much to worry about. After the call I mentioned it to my manager, as Unix-savvy faculty is awfully rare in my experience. He nodded his head and said "That's Eben."

This AEI-Brookings Joint Center for Regulatory Studies article by Mark S. Nadel is also relevant to showing the case against intellectual property.

http://www.aei.brookings.org/publications/abstract .php?pid=302

From the abstract: This article questions the economic justification for copyright laws prohibition against unauthorized copying. Building on the thesis of Stephen Breyers 1970 Harvard Law Review article, The Uneasy Case for Copyright, it contends that not only may copyright laws prohibition against unauthorized copying (17 U.S.C. 106) not be necessary to stimulate an optimal level of new creations, but that 106 appears to have a net negative effect on such output! It observes that the higher revenues that 106 generates for popular creations are, in the lottery-like entertainment markets, generally used for promotional efforts (rent seeking), and that such marketing crowds out many borderline creations. The article also identifies and explains how new technologies and social norms provide many viable business models for financing new creations relying on only a heavily abridged version of 106. Hence, the article questions whether the current 106 could survive the intermediate scrutiny standards of the First Amendment, given the lack of evidence that the benefits of 106 exceed its costs.

This is a fantastic paper. It is full of references and numbers a lot of hard work and scholarship obviously went into it.

For support for eliminating copyrights or greatly reducing their terms, see Richard Stallman, especially here:
http://www.memes.net/index.php3?request=displaypag e&NodeID=650

and also Brian Martin's essay "Against intellectual property" (part of a large book -- _Information Liberation_)
http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/pubs/98il/i l03.html

You can also see lots of other ongoing discussion here on Lawrence Lessig's blog here http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/lessig/blog/ and in his two books.

Here are some of my own comments on the situation: http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/mt/mt-comments.cgi?en try_id=898 http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/mt/mt-comments.cgi?en try_id=889

How do the IP laws in place in Western economies constitute shooting oneself in the foot?

One problem is the problem of doing an exhaustive check of copyrights and patents. Though trademark checks are easy (use Google search), copyrights and patents are much harder to check in an automatic fashion. Given only the source code of a program, it's nearly impossible to determine whether or not that program infringes any of the more than two million subsisting U.S. patents. Given only the notes and rhythms of a melody, it's nearly impossible to determine whether or not that melody infringes any of the millions of subsisting U.S. copyrights on published musical works. Though copyright law requires access to the original work in addition to similarity, if the original work has hit the pop charts, the burden of proof seems to fall on the alleged infringer to disprove access (Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music).

The terms are too long. Why did Congress feel the need to grant 20 years of exclusive monopoly protection over something as simple as sending the user's identifying information along with the request to purchase something (the Amazon one-click shopping patent)? And why did Congress see fit to grant upwards of 120 years of monopoly on a melody?

From what I understand, it is relatively easy to patent a mechanism with flaws that prevent it from working as stated.

This is why you should never lend any credence to a product simply because it is patented.

"But of all the requirements for being granted a patent in the U.S., having a working device is not one of them." - Skeptic's Dictionary

If you're interested in this, check out his paper about anarchism and free software.

I'd like to hear more of his thoughts in this direction, though. Does he actually advocate workers' self-management in all things, or just in software?

Take a look at his picture.

That's because it's okay to copy a performance of a song by performing it yourself

Only if the band pays for a compulsory license that costs about eight cents per song per copy.

Heck, the band may have to pay another songwriter even if a band member writes the songs.

a case like this could provide a precedent that would prove that the GPL is legally enforceable - something that has not occurred to date,

That's right, it hasn't. And violations are regular and frequent (dozens of times a year, according to Eben Moglen, the FSF General Counsel). But so far, no one has been stupid enough to take it to court. But Eben keeps hoping someone will. From an essay on his website: "'Look,' I say, 'at how many people all over the world are pressuring me to enforce the GPL in court, just to prove I can. I really need to make an example of someone. Would you like to volunteer?'"

Maybe this will finally be the time. But I'm not going to hold my breath. No one has had the proper combination of balls and stupidity yet. Frankly, I find that as persuasive, if not more so, than an actual court ruling on the matter.

Well IANAL but I expect each one of the copyright holders for the code could individually seek damages for the infringement. Alternatively they could probably all work together on a single suit.

That is why the poster to lkml mentioned the sections since all the copyright holders of those sections are affected.

As to comments that have or are going to be made regarding the GPL getting its day in court, the reason that this has not happened already is not because the GPL is weak, but because it is strong.


Much murmuring...to the supposed effect that the absence of judicial enforcement, in US or other courts, somehow demonstrates that there is something wrong with the GPL, that its unusual policy goal is implemented in a technically indefensible way, or that the Free Software Foundation, which authors the license, is afraid of testing it in court. Precisely the reverse is true. We do not find ourselves taking the GPL to court because no one has yet been willing to risk contesting it with us there.

Eben Moglen

In fact he has written two papers on the specific issue of GPL enforcement.

http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/publications/lu-12 .html
http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/publications/lu-13 .html

My expectation is that this company will buckle as soon as their lawyers get a look at the GPL in detail and what their developers/management did. The fact that the company actually took steps to hide their infringement is also going to look very bad in court. They are only making it worse for themselves. They should do themselves a favour and work out an agreement with the kernel developers before they really get burned.

Well IANAL but I expect each one of the copyright holders for the code could individually seek damages for the infringement. Alternatively they could probably all work together on a single suit.

That is why the poster to lkml mentioned the sections since all the copyright holders of those sections are affected.

As to comments that have or are going to be made regarding the GPL getting its day in court, the reason that this has not happened already is not because the GPL is weak, but because it is strong.


Much murmuring...to the supposed effect that the absence of judicial enforcement, in US or other courts, somehow demonstrates that there is something wrong with the GPL, that its unusual policy goal is implemented in a technically indefensible way, or that the Free Software Foundation, which authors the license, is afraid of testing it in court. Precisely the reverse is true. We do not find ourselves taking the GPL to court because no one has yet been willing to risk contesting it with us there.

Eben Moglen

In fact he has written two papers on the specific issue of GPL enforcement.

http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/publications/lu-12 .html
http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/publications/lu-13 .html

My expectation is that this company will buckle as soon as their lawyers get a look at the GPL in detail and what their developers/management did. The fact that the company actually took steps to hide their infringement is also going to look very bad in court. They are only making it worse for themselves. They should do themselves a favour and work out an agreement with the kernel developers before they really get burned.

Kevin Mitnick knows how Slashdot works. His response to Question 1 is largely a consolidation from the unpublished first chapter of his book: Kevin Mitnick's 'lost' bio

Oh my goodness! You mean he wrote the information that was requested by the community at a point before we asked for it, and was rude enough to distill that same info here? How dare he? Perhaps now he can ask John Fogerty for legal advice.

Get legal mp3's

How do you know that you have the right to redistribute files created by a patented process? The process of encoding an MP3 file is patented. From here on, I'll assume you meant "ogg" because it simplifies the analysis.

Even if you download the .ogg files directly from the band's web site, how do you know that the band has the right to distribute recordings of the musical works, or that you have the right to redistribute them? Only the songwriter can grant that, though USA copyright law caps royalties at 8 cents per track.

And even if the band members write the band's songs, how can you be sure that the band didn't unwittingly crib the melody from some popular song?

is "making" the music the creative process of arranging notes and lyrics, or the physical process of manufacturing the CD?

Copyright law recognizes three steps in the process of making a record:

1. Making the music. A songwriter writes a song and (I'm assuming) buys liability insurance that the song is original and not accidentally plagiarized.
2. Making the recording. This is the job of the performers, producer, and sound engineer and encompasses recording, mixing, and mastering. This stage makes the difference between a demo and a commercial recording. Result: up to 74 minutes of great-sounding wav files.
3. Making the phonorecords. ("Phonorecord", or "phonogram" in some countries, is the copyright law term for a fixed reproduction of a recording; it does not refer to vinyl.) Any large-scale CD replicator will do this.

So they have created a product. But somebody still needs to create a demand for the product, and promotion is traditionally the job of a label.

The other canonical example of illegal music, but this time, it wasn't meant to be illegal at first

so even content creation does not save you from guilt assumption

That's correct. Nothing is created in a vacuum. When you create a work of authorship, you draw on existing works. The owner of the copyright in a work has the right to prevent you from drawing upon the expression in that work when creating your own work, even if you don't know you're copying.

If you claim that your work is "original", how are you going to defend your claim in court against a multinational conglomerate with several orders of magnitude more cash than you have?

Artists, we can place our works under the public domain, FDL or a creative commons license

That won't help artists in the face of precedents such as Bright Tunes v. Harrisongs (learn about it here or here), which make even "original" works potentially infringing. "So what if you published your work under a free public license? We claim that your work is a derivative of our work, and we have 10,000 times more money than you have to defend our claim in court."

The .vbs viruses... they seem to have come from Columbia. A look at the source of one of them reveals
rem "Plan Colombia" virus v1.0

As a Columbia student, Columbia resident, Columbia wearer, Columbia listener, Columbia purchaser, and Colombia consumer -- and as an American, patriot, and staunch promoter of all that is good and right in this world -- I beg you to kindly note the small, but significant, difference between Columbia and Colombia.

Think of the children! Otherwise, the terrorists have already won.

Thank you.

The .vbs viruses... they seem to have come from Columbia. A look at the source of one of them reveals
rem "Plan Colombia" virus v1.0

As a Columbia student, Columbia resident, Columbia wearer, Columbia listener, Columbia purchaser, and Colombia consumer -- and as an American, patriot, and staunch promoter of all that is good and right in this world -- I beg you to kindly note the small, but significant, difference between Columbia and Colombia.

Think of the children! Otherwise, the terrorists have already won.

Thank you.

I'm probably too late into this discussion to make a difference, but I'd like to draw your attention to two programs at Columbia University.
The Executive IT Management Program (aka EITM) is designed for people who have a significant amount of technical experience, and that are looking to bolster their managerial skills. It's a one-year program, and it's relatively cheap (about $10k in total). All classes are at night. I don't have any personal experience with this program, but I know the person who runs it, and he is an extraordinarily talented professor.

The Computer Technology and Applications Program (aka the CTA Program) is probably not advanced enough for you. However, persons in the New York area who are looking to learn about computer technologies from more of a beginner's perspective should check this out. It's a four semester program, so it takes about a year and three months to complete. The total cost is about $12,500.

My brother is a CTA grad. He stuided C, C++ and Java. And, just one year after graduating, he's now making $85k as a Software Engineer at a finance-related high tech company in New York. Prior to the CTA Program, his only "technical" experience was as a Technical Writer. Now, keep in mind that my brother is very smart and very dedicated, and most people are not going to do as well as he is. But the program is excellent, but it does teach the skills and open some doors.

I also did the CTA program, but I was in a softer program that emphasized application design and project management. I would not recommend this track.

The database track is excellent, however, and it gives you significant hands-on experience with Oracle.

There is also a Networking track. I don't know that much about this track, but my understanding is that it is less well regarded than the programming and database tracks.

If anyone wants more information about this program, you can email me at: mossmania (NO SPAM PLEASE) at yahoo dot com.

I'm probably too late into this discussion to make a difference, but I'd like to draw your attention to two programs at Columbia University.
The Executive IT Management Program (aka EITM) is designed for people who have a significant amount of technical experience, and that are looking to bolster their managerial skills. It's a one-year program, and it's relatively cheap (about $10k in total). All classes are at night. I don't have any personal experience with this program, but I know the person who runs it, and he is an extraordinarily talented professor.

The Computer Technology and Applications Program (aka the CTA Program) is probably not advanced enough for you. However, persons in the New York area who are looking to learn about computer technologies from more of a beginner's perspective should check this out. It's a four semester program, so it takes about a year and three months to complete. The total cost is about $12,500.

My brother is a CTA grad. He stuided C, C++ and Java. And, just one year after graduating, he's now making $85k as a Software Engineer at a finance-related high tech company in New York. Prior to the CTA Program, his only "technical" experience was as a Technical Writer. Now, keep in mind that my brother is very smart and very dedicated, and most people are not going to do as well as he is. But the program is excellent, but it does teach the skills and open some doors.

I also did the CTA program, but I was in a softer program that emphasized application design and project management. I would not recommend this track.

The database track is excellent, however, and it gives you significant hands-on experience with Oracle.

There is also a Networking track. I don't know that much about this track, but my understanding is that it is less well regarded than the programming and database tracks.

If anyone wants more information about this program, you can email me at: mossmania (NO SPAM PLEASE) at yahoo dot com.

• NYU
• Columbia

However when they came to try to port something like haskal over to it, they found it just wouldn't fit(See page 18) so they had to make do with a sort of bridge instead.

So what I think they've done is taken a functional language, taken out the features that don't fit well with .net (untyped terms?) and called it a "feature" :)

I'm way out of my depth on this though - hopefully by providing links someone cleverer than me will correct me.

Of course that's only one law school for another example -

Columbia Law:

The median starting salary for all graduates is $94,000

Stanford

New graduates from Ivy League schools hired at firms with national practices can earn $70,000 - $85,000 in their first year, but the majority of new hires earn in the $40,000 - $60,000 range. Starting salaries are somewhat lower in the corporate and public sectors. Eighth-year associates can earn between $85,000-$113,500 per year.

less well known law schools,

Case Western Reserve

The average salary for Class of 2001 graduates was over $75,000.

Of course this is for recent grads 1-2 years as were the statistics you quoted. One of the benefits of a specialized degree is that the upper bounds on individual salary is much higher, and one of the reasons the recent grads are working thier asses off at 90k per year is that if/when they make partner they'll be rolling in the cash (maybe working just as hard, but at a substantial boost in earnings)

We can also check salary reports for an estimate of what you should be looking for as a more experienced attorney,

Career Journal

Associate General Counsel working in US - National now earns an average salary of 310,054. Half of those in this position would earn between 230,122 and 332,812.

Position Description:
Conduct criminal and civil lawsuits, draw up legal documents, advise clients as to legal rights, and practice other phases of law. May represent client in court or before quasi-judicial or administrative agencies of government. May specialize in a single area of law, such as patent law, corporate law, or criminal law.

(although general counsel probably work for the side that lost this case, but hey they still got paid, actually by CD sales ;>)

Department of Labor statistics for all lawyers

Area - All United States
Occupation - Lawyers
Level - Overall
DataSource - Published
Year/Period - 2000/Jul
Hourly Rate - $38.70

Of course this data includes public lawyers which are paid significantly less than corporate/private practice lawyers in general, and includes all levels of experience.

And this survey of law firm compensation:

Law Department Compensation Benchmarking survey - Total cash compensation

Attorney - 2001 - $120,252

The SCMS protection on Minidiscs have stopped bands and other content creators from legitimately making digital copies of their own work.

Because it's not their work. Assuming that the band in question is a cover band, recording a performance of a musical work without the permission of the songwriter is an infringement of copyright. In general, the license to record somebody else's work isn't bundled with the standard ASCAP/BMI cover band license.

At this point, you're thinking, "What if members of the band wrote all the songs?" Prove it. Prove that your band didn't pull a George Harrison and unconsciously plagiarize an existing song. Prove it in court against a music publisher whose legal budget is 1000 times bigger than yours. Under such conditions, I'm not sure how a songwriter could prove that he didn't copy something else.

"Don't like, don't use."

Then you run into the George Harrison problem. Under US copyright law, access plus substantial similarity equals copying. If you have seen a piece of code, and you write a similar piece of code several years later, the courts may, depending on the specific Circuit's interpretation of "substantial similarity", consider the later piece of code to be a "derivative work" of the original code and thus subject to whatever license the author of the original code wishes to impose or deny. For this reason, no Microsoft employee is permitted to read code covered by the GNU General Public License.

And how does one GPL a program stored on a proprietary storage medium such as a ROM chip or cartridge? And how does one GPL a program for a platform whose kernel will load only binaries whose hash has been signed by a central authority?

Perhaps :-)

I wanted to say that the existing Unix/Linux shells (1) are mutually incompatible (2) are often a pain to program (bash, uh) and use, (3) and some big vendors still keep the oldest and least friendly.

(1) Yes, they are. (Personally, I use bash for exactly that reason, since it keeps me from remembering to many syntaxes as bash is essentially sh++) (2) Well, I think bash is pretty ok. But of course, there could be lots of room for improvement. And yes, since you mentioned it, PATH (and CLASSPATH, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, etc) being colon-separated instead of newline separated makes it harder to manipulate it without a few nifty aliases. They should be standard and builtin to make things easier. (3) Well, trading backwards compatibility with user-friendliness is not always so easy. But since most shell-scripts start with #!/bin/sh anyway, it would make sense to give the users a more friendly shell by default.

Why do you think yet another new shell will fix that?

And as we both know, there are plenty of alternatives already. In particular, the following shells are all "better" than sh for end-users: tcsh, ksh, bash, zsh, es, and tclsh. It's not obvious that a new shell would improve the situation more than just add to the confusion.

But, for example, some aspects of the CLI could benefit a lot from a insightfull redisign.

I most definitely agree. But designing a "better shell" is very hard, and most people fail (look at the (lack of) success of es for example). The tradeoffs between terseness (for command-line use), regularity (for scripting), familiarity (to get anyone to use it at all), simplicity (to be useful for newcomers), and expressivity (to be the best tool for experts) makes it as much an experiment in psychology as in programming.

I doubt that we will ever reach shell-nirvana in unix (or any other place for that matter, but windows has a large advantage here, one of the things that holds us back, is that we still care about being able to run the shell over telnet to a teletype, but in windows they will probably make the default user experience to be more like e.g. emacs interaction mode, nice menus and all... By the way, have you ever looked at XMLterm? It's nice, and certainly innovative :-) Why not combine it with XML shell to get away from the pipe-filter on characters/lines only paradigm?).

The current unix-shells are the result of decades of stepwise improvements on a really good idea (at the time), and continues to be so much more useful than any of their alternatives that it's going to be hard to penetrate the "market"...

Not that it wouldn't be worth it though :-)

I'm interested. I'm tired of having music that sounds too much like Marilyn Manson's band and Puff Daddy's band jamming together (the music in TOD for GBA), and I want something fresh.

But how do you plan on guaranteeing that the music you write is actually original and not unconsciously cribbed from something else?

and find a different store. When you have exhausted all of your stores, then maybe you should consider making your own music?

If I do make and publish my own music, how can I be assured that the songs that I write will be completely original and not unconsciously misappropriated from some popular song? Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music established that even unconscious plagiarism is actionable as copyright infringement.

The IMF is a vehicle for implementing a policy that is designed to make poor nations poorer, and the US based financial world richer.

The IMF has a standard approach of privatization, deregularization, more taxes and less government spending. In practice, state assets are sold off to foreign investors, and capitals markets are deregulated to open the gates for speculation. At some point the price of basic living (cooking, heating, taxes) is raised, causing massive civil unrest, and collapse of the economy. In the ensuing turmoil, foreign corporations can buy the remaining assets of a country at garage-sale prices.

Don't take my word for it. Read about Joseph Stiglitz (Nobel laureate, former IMF economist and former director of the worldbank)

• salon
• The Observer
• The new republic online.

i was a tour guide on the hudson for new york waterway for awhile.

there is supposedly pirates treasure.

it would be nice to find one of these, called "General Washington's Watch Chain."

maybe a german u-boat?

or relics from the age of steamboats.

the hudson is also pretty deep in places. off of west point, for example (206 feet), or near bear mountain bridge (165 feet). it is an ancient river, as old as the appalachians. some of it was carved during the last ice age, and is similar to a norwegian fjord. plenty of room down there.

check this gem out, bannerman's island. an old arms dealer from the spanish american war blew up the castle he built with his business profits by locating his arsenal right next to his castle on his private island. oops. i've kayaked around it and can make out weird shapes in the shallow muck between the island and the shore. wonder what you would find near there! ;-P

I've been reading about decentralized news for quite awhile now and have been waiting for some real, concrete results/products to be released. As such, here are some of my Mozilla bookmarks from my Decentralized News folder. Please enjoy!

Scripting News
... Call us cockroaches if you want, I'm sure IBM thought Apple, Microsoft and Intel
were cute and dirty too, but distributed and decentralized news is rapidly ...
scriptingnews.userland.com/backIssues/2002/02/15 - 25k - Dec. 9, 2002 - Cached

Research News: TVC Alert, 31 May 2002
... Before summarizing software available for reading RSS/XML news feeds (end of article),
the author opines about the value of decentralized news or information ...
www.virtualchase.com/tvcalert/may02/31may02.html - 38k - Cached

Hoosier Review
... used to their privileges as brokers of information in a top-down world, threatened
by the rise of new, bizarre, egalitarian and decentralized news sources? ...
www.hoosierreview.com/musgrave10.html - 12k - Cached

Netizens Info
... Non-electronic Reference Sources. Bellovin, Steve M. and Mark Horton, USENET
- A Distributed Decentralized News System, an unpublished manuscript, 1985. ...
www.columbia.edu/~hauben/CMC/netizen_thoughts.ht ml - 11k - Cached

www.columbia.edu/~hauben/CS/netizen_thoughts.txt
... and future of the data highway Non-electronic Reference Sources Bellovin, Steve
M. and Mark Horton, USENET - A Distributed Decentralized News System, an ...
8k - Cached
[ More results from www.columbia.edu ]

MetaLog
... just recycled news from major outlets. But what the weblogs did do
was provide a decentralized news source. At a time when all of ...
www.larkfarm.com/metalog.asp - 18k - Dec. 9, 2002 -

Michael Barone
... years ago. That's how it's bound to be in a country with increasingly
decentralized news media and a fragmented electorate. The ...
www.jewishworldreview.com/michael/barone100300.a sp - 17k - Dec. 9, 2002 - Cached

SubIntSoc.net: The Suboctagon Report - The Center Cannot Hold, ...
... Another example: personal video cameras. People on the streets with cameras formed
a decentralized news-gathering system that the TV networks couldn't match. ...
subintsoc.net/suboctagon_20011121.php - 39k - Dec. 9, 2002 - Cached

Wired Online: Brain Tennis
... Or will the many-to-many nature of the Net lead to self-correcting, decentralized
news media that nobody owns and everybody contributes to? ...
hotwired.lycos.com/braintennis/96/23/index2a.htm l - 11k -

I've been reading about decentralized news for quite awhile now and have been waiting for some real, concrete results/products to be released. As such, here are some of my Mozilla bookmarks from my Decentralized News folder. Please enjoy!

Scripting News
... Call us cockroaches if you want, I'm sure IBM thought Apple, Microsoft and Intel
were cute and dirty too, but distributed and decentralized news is rapidly ...
scriptingnews.userland.com/backIssues/2002/02/15 - 25k - Dec. 9, 2002 - Cached

Research News: TVC Alert, 31 May 2002
... Before summarizing software available for reading RSS/XML news feeds (end of article),
the author opines about the value of decentralized news or information ...
www.virtualchase.com/tvcalert/may02/31may02.html - 38k - Cached

Hoosier Review
... used to their privileges as brokers of information in a top-down world, threatened
by the rise of new, bizarre, egalitarian and decentralized news sources? ...
www.hoosierreview.com/musgrave10.html - 12k - Cached

Netizens Info
... Non-electronic Reference Sources. Bellovin, Steve M. and Mark Horton, USENET
- A Distributed Decentralized News System, an unpublished manuscript, 1985. ...
www.columbia.edu/~hauben/CMC/netizen_thoughts.ht ml - 11k - Cached

www.columbia.edu/~hauben/CS/netizen_thoughts.txt
... and future of the data highway Non-electronic Reference Sources Bellovin, Steve
M. and Mark Horton, USENET - A Distributed Decentralized News System, an ...
8k - Cached
[ More results from www.columbia.edu ]

MetaLog
... just recycled news from major outlets. But what the weblogs did do
was provide a decentralized news source. At a time when all of ...
www.larkfarm.com/metalog.asp - 18k - Dec. 9, 2002 -

Michael Barone
... years ago. That's how it's bound to be in a country with increasingly
decentralized news media and a fragmented electorate. The ...
www.jewishworldreview.com/michael/barone100300.a sp - 17k - Dec. 9, 2002 - Cached

SubIntSoc.net: The Suboctagon Report - The Center Cannot Hold, ...
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Here's a site from either a student or faculty memeber from Columbia site called Abandond Stations. I've seen the 19th Street PATH station a few times when I rode it years ago. Spooky discribes the way it looked.

Nice site here with lots of detail. I've actually seen the old city hall station (although briefly, from a passing train)

If abandoned subway stations are your thing, you can find plenty of them right here in New York City.

One of them is even a national historic monument.

Locking it up in the glass of a CRT is a pretty damned good way to keep discarded lead out of the water table. In fact, I can't think of a better one. Can you?

Yes.

My argument is that 99.9% of environmental scientists are neither chemical nor physical engineers.

Unfortunately, the reverse is true. 99.9% of chemical and physical engineers are not environmental scientists.

Environmental science is hardcore - it requires chemistry, biology, earth science AND a specialised series of courses. I picked the university of sydney at random (high google page rank,) but the requirements are similar here at Columbia.

The environmental scientists know their chemistry - the chemical engineers don't know their biology, meteorology or geology, which is where the problem lies (I don't want to badmouth everyone in that discipline; I'm a molecular biologist but I make an effort to keep abreast of the broader context of my work. I know some chemical engineers who are quite savvy on what happens outside of a synthesis facility.)

Now here's the [possible?] added benefits: Loss of bone density, and Loss of hair, I'm sure there's plenty of others not listen on the manufacturer's leaflet. Here's some Q+A thingy, a petition, and a Wired article.

Thankfully, my girl seems fine so far. :)

Happy bonking people!

Ali

Now here's the [possible?] added benefits: Loss of bone density, and Loss of hair, I'm sure there's plenty of others not listen on the manufacturer's leaflet. Here's some Q+A thingy, a petition, and a Wired article.

Thankfully, my girl seems fine so far. :)

Happy bonking people!

Ali

A VT100? I had to do with a VT52 clone. No inserts or deletes, so you had to clear the screen and redraw all the time.

so I go to the first one and get this:
http://www-fail.cc.columbia.edu/nofile.html

Not really formatted well, just copied everything off the hot deals forum at Anandtech (as they havent taken down the ads yet)

http://www.columbia.edu/~sp2015/blackfriday.txt

the file probably has somewhere in the 400-500 prices. I'd be willing to put more there, so just email me.

here's what I was able to scrounge up (kernel only has 3c905 driver installed)

http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~spotter/floppy.bin

that startup scripts aren't all there, but you should be able to get a shell via busybox, run udhcpc ("micro" dhcp client), and then run startx which would connect you to our windows terminal server, edit the startx file (think it's in /bin) to change that.

Oh, and these shared libraries might be really "Stripped" i.e. the point oft the project was to see how small we could make the C library, by pulling out everything we dont need. (making a bootable terminal services floppy was just sort of the "cool" factor)