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Will there still be bananas in ten years?
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Re:Accuracy is no longer enforced
Don't forget that Nike attempted to claim the right to lie in its "non-commercial" speech. (The Supreme Court rejected Nike's initial appeal, and then Nike settled--for a tiny amount--so hard to say what the outcome has been.)
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Re:Vote.
This lie serves one simple purpose: keep the two party corporate system in power.
Agreed; or as George Monboit stated, "A vote for Kerry is not just a vote against George Bush. It is a vote for the survival of the system which made Bush happen." -
Re:The Real Reasons For Iraq
Saddam Hussein was not a nice guy.
Agreed. But irrelevant. Hussein would have been overthrown by the Iranians during the 1980s except for one reason: The US supplied him and kept him in power! You can't have it both ways; one day he's a great vicious thug, the next day he's a bad vicious thug.
Saying that 10,000+ were "mangled" is an outright lie.
Mangled is not very descriptive, it could mean many things. As to the number, this UPI article from Dec. 2003 states almost 11,000 medical evacuations from Iraq. No doubt, some of those evacs are for suicide attempts, post-traumatic stress, and other mental problems. Mangled could mean many things.
the highest number of wartime civilian casualties in Iraq: right around 12,000
Are you referring to the Iraq Body Count's stats? If so, those numbers are generally recognized as being low as they refer to deaths only cited by the major media.
As to whether the Iraqis are better off with the US occupation or with Hussein's dictatorship, the ultimate source of authority on this is the Iraqi people themselves. And based on western public opinion polls, the Iraqi people have spoken: they have run out of patience and a majority want the US out, the vast majority consider the US to be an occupier and a solid majority want US troops gone immediately, 55 percent said they would feel safer if the US left, and Americans polled believe the invasion of Iraq has increased the terrorist threat to the United States, not decreased it. (Note, CommonDreams.Org is a news aggregator; those stories are from wire services and mainstream newspapers.)
Strangely, in the quick check I did, I did not find a poll bluntly asking Iraqis if they were better off under Saddam or better off under the illegal US occupation. I wonder if I missed it or whether the corporate mass media is afraid to ask the question. (I'd appreciate a link if anyone finds such a mainstream poll.) -
Re:The Real Reasons For Iraq
Saddam Hussein was not a nice guy.
Agreed. But irrelevant. Hussein would have been overthrown by the Iranians during the 1980s except for one reason: The US supplied him and kept him in power! You can't have it both ways; one day he's a great vicious thug, the next day he's a bad vicious thug.
Saying that 10,000+ were "mangled" is an outright lie.
Mangled is not very descriptive, it could mean many things. As to the number, this UPI article from Dec. 2003 states almost 11,000 medical evacuations from Iraq. No doubt, some of those evacs are for suicide attempts, post-traumatic stress, and other mental problems. Mangled could mean many things.
the highest number of wartime civilian casualties in Iraq: right around 12,000
Are you referring to the Iraq Body Count's stats? If so, those numbers are generally recognized as being low as they refer to deaths only cited by the major media.
As to whether the Iraqis are better off with the US occupation or with Hussein's dictatorship, the ultimate source of authority on this is the Iraqi people themselves. And based on western public opinion polls, the Iraqi people have spoken: they have run out of patience and a majority want the US out, the vast majority consider the US to be an occupier and a solid majority want US troops gone immediately, 55 percent said they would feel safer if the US left, and Americans polled believe the invasion of Iraq has increased the terrorist threat to the United States, not decreased it. (Note, CommonDreams.Org is a news aggregator; those stories are from wire services and mainstream newspapers.)
Strangely, in the quick check I did, I did not find a poll bluntly asking Iraqis if they were better off under Saddam or better off under the illegal US occupation. I wonder if I missed it or whether the corporate mass media is afraid to ask the question. (I'd appreciate a link if anyone finds such a mainstream poll.) -
Re:The Real Reasons For Iraq
Saddam Hussein was not a nice guy.
Agreed. But irrelevant. Hussein would have been overthrown by the Iranians during the 1980s except for one reason: The US supplied him and kept him in power! You can't have it both ways; one day he's a great vicious thug, the next day he's a bad vicious thug.
Saying that 10,000+ were "mangled" is an outright lie.
Mangled is not very descriptive, it could mean many things. As to the number, this UPI article from Dec. 2003 states almost 11,000 medical evacuations from Iraq. No doubt, some of those evacs are for suicide attempts, post-traumatic stress, and other mental problems. Mangled could mean many things.
the highest number of wartime civilian casualties in Iraq: right around 12,000
Are you referring to the Iraq Body Count's stats? If so, those numbers are generally recognized as being low as they refer to deaths only cited by the major media.
As to whether the Iraqis are better off with the US occupation or with Hussein's dictatorship, the ultimate source of authority on this is the Iraqi people themselves. And based on western public opinion polls, the Iraqi people have spoken: they have run out of patience and a majority want the US out, the vast majority consider the US to be an occupier and a solid majority want US troops gone immediately, 55 percent said they would feel safer if the US left, and Americans polled believe the invasion of Iraq has increased the terrorist threat to the United States, not decreased it. (Note, CommonDreams.Org is a news aggregator; those stories are from wire services and mainstream newspapers.)
Strangely, in the quick check I did, I did not find a poll bluntly asking Iraqis if they were better off under Saddam or better off under the illegal US occupation. I wonder if I missed it or whether the corporate mass media is afraid to ask the question. (I'd appreciate a link if anyone finds such a mainstream poll.) -
Re:The Real Reasons For Iraq
Saddam Hussein was not a nice guy.
Agreed. But irrelevant. Hussein would have been overthrown by the Iranians during the 1980s except for one reason: The US supplied him and kept him in power! You can't have it both ways; one day he's a great vicious thug, the next day he's a bad vicious thug.
Saying that 10,000+ were "mangled" is an outright lie.
Mangled is not very descriptive, it could mean many things. As to the number, this UPI article from Dec. 2003 states almost 11,000 medical evacuations from Iraq. No doubt, some of those evacs are for suicide attempts, post-traumatic stress, and other mental problems. Mangled could mean many things.
the highest number of wartime civilian casualties in Iraq: right around 12,000
Are you referring to the Iraq Body Count's stats? If so, those numbers are generally recognized as being low as they refer to deaths only cited by the major media.
As to whether the Iraqis are better off with the US occupation or with Hussein's dictatorship, the ultimate source of authority on this is the Iraqi people themselves. And based on western public opinion polls, the Iraqi people have spoken: they have run out of patience and a majority want the US out, the vast majority consider the US to be an occupier and a solid majority want US troops gone immediately, 55 percent said they would feel safer if the US left, and Americans polled believe the invasion of Iraq has increased the terrorist threat to the United States, not decreased it. (Note, CommonDreams.Org is a news aggregator; those stories are from wire services and mainstream newspapers.)
Strangely, in the quick check I did, I did not find a poll bluntly asking Iraqis if they were better off under Saddam or better off under the illegal US occupation. I wonder if I missed it or whether the corporate mass media is afraid to ask the question. (I'd appreciate a link if anyone finds such a mainstream poll.) -
Re:The Real Reasons For Iraq
Saddam Hussein was not a nice guy.
Agreed. But irrelevant. Hussein would have been overthrown by the Iranians during the 1980s except for one reason: The US supplied him and kept him in power! You can't have it both ways; one day he's a great vicious thug, the next day he's a bad vicious thug.
Saying that 10,000+ were "mangled" is an outright lie.
Mangled is not very descriptive, it could mean many things. As to the number, this UPI article from Dec. 2003 states almost 11,000 medical evacuations from Iraq. No doubt, some of those evacs are for suicide attempts, post-traumatic stress, and other mental problems. Mangled could mean many things.
the highest number of wartime civilian casualties in Iraq: right around 12,000
Are you referring to the Iraq Body Count's stats? If so, those numbers are generally recognized as being low as they refer to deaths only cited by the major media.
As to whether the Iraqis are better off with the US occupation or with Hussein's dictatorship, the ultimate source of authority on this is the Iraqi people themselves. And based on western public opinion polls, the Iraqi people have spoken: they have run out of patience and a majority want the US out, the vast majority consider the US to be an occupier and a solid majority want US troops gone immediately, 55 percent said they would feel safer if the US left, and Americans polled believe the invasion of Iraq has increased the terrorist threat to the United States, not decreased it. (Note, CommonDreams.Org is a news aggregator; those stories are from wire services and mainstream newspapers.)
Strangely, in the quick check I did, I did not find a poll bluntly asking Iraqis if they were better off under Saddam or better off under the illegal US occupation. I wonder if I missed it or whether the corporate mass media is afraid to ask the question. (I'd appreciate a link if anyone finds such a mainstream poll.) -
Re:Our gov't at work
An even worse scenario.
What if you were on vacation far away and you were put on some terrorist list. Then on your way back you were held for a while, shipped over to lebanon where people beat you on your way to a syrian prison (presumably because the US and the syrian governements have signed a "please torture our prisoners because it's illegal in our country" treaty) . Once at the syrian prison what if you were tortured daily for 10 months. And then mysteriously let go.
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Re:Publicity Stunt
Dude, it was documented BEFOREHAND that Republicans pressured Pakistan to nab some bad guys during the DNC. And there it was, just as planned, on the 4th day of the convention.
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In Service to Whom?
I suppose this is a concept that is hardly difficult for a thinking person to unearth, but as no one above my threshold has yet commented upon it, I'll take the soapbox.
This sort of hacktivism is nothing more then the digital analogue of a violent protest. While I most certainly do not agree with the platform and politics of the GOP, I believe that it is these hackers that pose a greater danger to my 'free speech.' While the Republicans have paid to host a web site and run a server in order to communicate their vision to the world, this wonderful group of people has decided not to fight back with cogent argumentation and stunning logic, but rather with a wildly underwhelming attempt to flood the server.
This sort of free campaign fodder offered to the Republicans can only harm Kerry's cause (though he is no prize pig himself...). Just wait for the War on Terrorism to go electronic: I can't wait for a digital reprisal of Ari Fleisher's 2001 declaration that "People have to watch what they say and watch what they do."
It's time people began to think. I honestly believe that a logical policy analysis reveals the truth. Left to themselves, people reading campaign literature from either side should be able to discern the better candidate. Even card-carrying GOP members that plan to vote a straight ticket deserve to learn what their party stands for and believes.
Now flip the coin. Suppose it were Republicans DDOS'ing progressive web sites such as Salon.com, Kuro5hin, or (heaven forbid) Slashdot. Shouldn't we all have the right to publish in peace? Attack my logic and my political views if you'd like. I'm not here to argue today, but it seems to me that this is obviously a "bad idea."
Yesterday, a wonderful article was published in Salon regarding planned protests of the GOP convention. Article summary: "If militants violently disrupt the GOP convention, it could be Chicago 1968 redux -- and Christmas in August for the Bush campaign." There is nothing like a free victory in a battle not fought.
We recognize the right to free speech, but I personally believe in the right of anyone to be heard. By my personal moral code, the correct way to respond to a man shouting wildly on the street is not to toss a brick his way, but rather to engage in conversation.
So please, think. It might work.
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You missed some...
Ashcroft is very selective in his definition of terrorist - this is much less publicized than it ought to be, IMO.
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Re:Vested Interests
It seems to me that fusion research in the US is never going to get decent levels of funding all the time that the Whitehouse is full of people with millions of dollars invested in oil companies.
Vice President Dick Cheney, head of the presidential task force studying our energy needs, favors building new nuclear power plants..
So much for your theory that cutting back on fusion research is part of a secret righ-wing plot to protect oil profits.
It took me 12 seconds (I timed it) to google that up. New tab, "Bush Nuclear Power", first link, first sentence, here.
Is is too much to ask that moderators spend 12 seconds before modding up crackpot propaganda such as the parent post? Of course it is. It's an election year, so you need to use your moderation points to advance your political prejudice that George Bush is public enemy number one. That's justified, because we have the proof: If he backs nuclear power, then that is proof that he is environmentally reckless. If he does not back nuclear power, then that is proof that he is conspiring to protect oil profits.
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Re:HOWTO
I, sir, have the people skills of a phicus plant.
If you instead had the skills of a ficus I'd vote for you. -
Re:Why the comedians migrated south:
Relax. People make fun of Americans all the time. When we take harmless jokes personally, we look like humorless bozos, don't we? Right! So do you, dumbass.
It's cool, dude. I'm just having fun with the guy, that's all.
As for why all your decent comedians end up in the US, I think you've given me the answer: I can imagine a comedian telling some stupid men-and-women-are-different joke, and an entire Canadian audience getting up in unison, calling the Mounties on their cell phones, and having the poor dumb bastard arrested for "hate speech".
Can you provide examples? I don't usually find that my speech is restricted. Certainly not to the point where everyone is looking make all sorts of allegations about someone's off-colour jokes. In fact, I can say all kinds of shit about our Prime Minister, or wear an anti-Paul Martin t-shirt, and it doesn't get me arrested unless I actually threaten somebody. -
Re:Democracy..
one vote for a third party candidate is a 'wasted' vote, then it's just as 'wasted' on the republicrat, err democans. The value of one vote doesn't change because of who you vote for, it only changes if you cheapen it in your own eyes by voting for someone you don't like just to not vote for someone you despise.
The funny part is this theory of a "wasted" vote now ensures that a third party candidate will never even make it into the debates for the presidential election. After Ross Perot Made it in 1992, the Republicans and Democrats were scared shitless. They both conspired to keep third parties out of presidential elections Now you must poll at 15% in the polls to be included in the presidential debates. These polls aren't controlled by the government, they are run by private news organizations! Which really means they are controlled by money.
So, by simply enforcing the idea that "third party is throwing your vote away" people don't even get to hear from third party candidates since they don't even mention them in the polls. On top of that, by not voting for third party candidates you are ensuring that they never get federal funding. (I think you need 3 - 5% to get federal funding).
If you think the 15% mark is ok, consider that Jessie Ventura polled at 10% before the gubernatorial debates in Minnesota and won the election after the debates with 37% of the vote.
It's obvious that Kerry and Bush are very alike on key issues, they are both for bigger government (despite what bush may say), they are both pro illegal immigration, pro outsourcing, pro interventionism/war, pro globalization. America is often said to be the land of choices, but what exactly is the contrast here? Gay rights? Or some other domestic issue where the two parties can fracture our population and pit them against one another so they ignore the bigger picture that our government keeps growing and spending, and selling us out to globaliziation?
Our country is being taken away from us, and no one seems to care enough to see it. -
Re:Diebold CEO Promises to "Deliver" for Bush
The head of a company [Diebold] vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
That's a link to the whole story. Or, if you prefer, this one has that quote in it as well. I think the Flamebait rating of the parent was a little harsh. There are lots of reasons to be suspicious of e-voting machines, this one just happens to be a glaring one. (IMHO) This would also serve as proof of sorts that the "general public" that was interviewed for this study probably didn't read this article (and probably doesn't read nearly as many articles about this type of issue as /. people do). -
Re:What amuses me. . ."I'm a little shocked, however, that more professed conservatives haven't spoken out against the new systems."
Larf. Perhaps this article might help you to understand the lack of conservative outrage.
COLUMBUS - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election.
O'Dell attended a strategy pow-wow with wealthy Bush benefactors - known as Rangers and Pioneers - at the president's Crawford, Texas, ranch earlier this month. The next week, he penned invitations to a $1,000-a-plate fund-raiser to benefit the Ohio Republican Party's federal campaign fund - partially benefiting Bush - at his mansion in the Columbus suburb of Upper Arlington.
The letter went out the day before Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, also a Republican, was set to qualify Diebold as one of three firms eligible to sell upgraded electronic voting machines to Ohio counties in time for the 2004 election. -
Re:The coolest partThink again: How about these
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- Philanthropist or Opportunist?
- BILL GATES': KILLING AFRICANS FOR PROFIT AND PR. MR. BUSH'S BOGUS AIDS OFFER
- India Rebuffs Bill Gates in AIDS Row
Also, try google for TRIPS AIDS Gates, and you'll find more.
There is unfortunately a different side to this story ....
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Re:I'm disappointed..
Nope, but you're definitely among the worst of those claiming to be a democracy but acting like a dictatorship, and that list is pretty damn short.
Unfortunately you are pretty damn right. But the list isnt that short ... a lot of the stories that dont make into the US media (like http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0729-11.htm) can't be found in other western newspapers, too. -
Re:Yup, yup...
Blockquoth the parent:
So the systematic purging of likely Democratic voters from the 2000 Florida roles was an accident?
You shouldn't get all of your "news" from Michael Moore...
Here's the truth: after the 1998 Miami mayoral election was invalidated because an unusually large number of convicted felons had voted, the State of Florida hired an outside contractor to purge felons from the election rolls. Unfortunately, due to sloppy programming, many eligible voters with similar names were mistakenly removed as well. Even worse, these voters did not learn they had been removed until they reported to their designated polling places on the day of the election.
However, post facto analysis showed there was no correlation between the mistakenly removed voters and their race or voting preference. In fact, the contractor's refusal to take such factors into account actually contributed to the confusion.
And in the end, several thousand felons still voted in the 2000 election despite the purge, and 68% of them voted Democrat.
Source: Palm Beach Post, 27 May 2001
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In Riverside CountyThis incident in Riverside County, described in Paul Krugman's latest NYT column, is even scarier:
- It's election night, and early returns suggest trouble for the incumbent. Then, mysteriously, the vote count stops and observers from the challenger's campaign see employees of a voting-machine company, one wearing a badge that identifies him as a county official, typing instructions at computers with access to the vote-tabulating software.
When the count resumes, the incumbent pulls ahead. The challenger demands an investigation. But there are no ballots to recount, and election officials allied with the incumbent refuse to release data that could shed light on whether there was tampering with the electronic records.
This isn't a paranoid fantasy. It's a true account of a recent election in Riverside County, Calif., reported by Andrew Gumbel of the British newspaper The Independent.
- It's election night, and early returns suggest trouble for the incumbent. Then, mysteriously, the vote count stops and observers from the challenger's campaign see employees of a voting-machine company, one wearing a badge that identifies him as a county official, typing instructions at computers with access to the vote-tabulating software.
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Re:Election ObserversMaybe UN observers wouldn't be such a bad thing?
I wish I thought this was a silly idea. Aside from the fact that it may make Birchers go bugfuck
... er, more bugfuck ... it might be a good idea. An official request has been made; I haven't heard whether there's been an official response."Several members of the [US] House of Representatives have requested the United Nations to send observers to monitor the November 2 US presidential election to avoid a contentious vote like in 2000, when the outcome was decided by Florida." Link.
(Fair Warning: This is a link to an unabashedly progressive website, and therefore may not be suitable for work.)
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Re:This is getting out of control
It's called fascism
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We can protect your residential developments on occupied land with experienced snipers in full body armour and appropriately armed Apache helicopters kindly donated by the American public.
If you are a US citizen with a view to emigrating to warmer climes along the Med, you may also be eligible for a fraction of the 3,000,000,000 (yes thats 3 Billion!) dollars donated yearly by American taxpayers to support our broken-ass state.
Due to our endless appetite for weapons of mass destruction our economy is unsustainable and we require your support. WMDs don't come cheap you know. It costs $$$$$$s to terrorise a whole region.
Our military personnel can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.
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Our military personnel can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.
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The Israeli military is hiring expatriates preferably with a military background to monitor the prisoners and maintain watchtowers. If you are blinded by a covetousness of other peoples land, but have a keen eye with a sniper scope you would be the ideal candidate for our border watchtower division.
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In six short weeks we can show you how to build a rogue state by demolishing existing homes in Palestine and building new houses on top!
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If your chosen plot is currently occupied by a Palestinian family, dont worry
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Its as easy peesy as eeny meeny miney mo!
We can protect your residential developments on occupied land with experienced snipers in full body armour and appropriately armed Apache helicopters kindly donated by the American public.
If you are an American citizen with a view to emigrating to warmer climes along the Med, you may also be eligible for a fraction of the 3,000,000,000 (yes thats 3 Billion!) dollars donated yearly by American taxpayers to help support our broken-ass state.
Due to our endless appetite for weapons of mass destruction our economy is unsustainable and we require your support. WMDs don't come cheap you know. It costs $$$$$$s to terrorise a whole region.
Our military personnel can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.
Vacancies available:We are currently in construction of the world record breaking apartheid wall surrounding the largest ethic ghetto since Krakow.
The Israeli military is hiring expatriates preferably with a military background to monitor the prisoners and maintain watchtowers. If you are blinded by a covetousness of other peoples land, but have a keen eye with a sniper scope you would be the ideal candidate for our border watchtower division.
We need your help. Sponsor an Israeli colonizer.
Do it today.If anybody criticises you, just point a finger an call them anti-Semite.
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Help censor the American press
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If you are at an American University we are recruiting active censorship drones to spy on fellow students, lecturers and guest speakers on behalf of the Israeli government.
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Free housing:In six short weeks we can show you how to build a rogue state by demolishing existing homes in Palestine and building new houses on top!
We are currently looking for experienced bulldozer drivers with a large western bank balance to emigrate to the expansionist state of Israel and call it home.
Simply choose a plot of land and start building! Its easy peesy!!
If your chosen plot is currently occupied by a Palestinian family, dont worry
-simply build over them!
Its as easy peesy as eeny meeny miney mo!
We can protect your residential developments on occupied land with experienced snipers in full body armour and appropriately armed Apache helicopters kindly donated by the American public.
If you are an American citizen with a view to emigrating to warmer climes and view of the Med, you may also be eligible for a fraction of the 3,000,000,000 (yes thats 3 Billion!) dollars donated yearly by American taxpayers to help support our broken-ass state.
Due to our endless appetite for weapons of mass destruction our economy is unsustainable and we require your support. WMDs don't come cheap you know. It costs $$$$$$s to terrorise a whole region.
Our military personnel can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.
Give a man a gun and he can kill a Palestinian child. Give him a helicopter and he can kill them all.
Part-time vacancies available:We are currently in construction of the world record breaking apartheid wall surrounding the largest ethic ghetto since Krakow.
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If you are an American citizen with a view to emigrating to warmer climes and view of the Med, you may also be eligible for a fraction of the 3,000,000,000 (yes thats 3 Billion!) dollars donated yearly by American taxpayers to help support our broken-ass state.
Due to our endless appetite for weapons of mass destruction our economy is unsustainable and we require your support. WMDs don't come cheap you know. It costs $$$$$$s to terrorise a whole region.
Our military personnel can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.
Give a man a gun and he can kill a Palestinian child. Give him a helicopter and he can kill them all.
Part-time vacancies available:We are currently in construction of the world record breaking apartheid wall surrounding the largest ethic ghetto since Krakow.
The Israeli military is hiring expatriates with a military background to monitor the prisoners and maintain watchtowers. If you are blinded by a covetousness of other peoples land, but have a keen eye with a sniper scope you would be the ideal candidate for our border watchtower division.
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Simply choose a plot of land and start building! Its easy peesy!!
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Its as easy peesy as eeny meeny miney mo!
We can protect your residential developments on occupied land with experienced snipers in full body armour and appropriately armed Apache helicopters kindly donated by the American public.
If you are an American citizen with a view to emigrating to warmer climes and view of the Med, you may also be eligible for a fraction of the 3,000,000,000 (yes thats 3 Billion!) dollars donated yearly by American taxpayers to help support our broken-ass state.
Due to our endless appetite for weapons of mass destruction our economy is unsustainable and we require your support. WMDs don't come cheap you know. It costs $$$$$$s to terrorise a whole region.
Our military personnel can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.
Give a man a gun and he can kill a Palestinian child. Give him a helicopter and he can kill them all.
Part-time vacancies available:We are currently in construction of the world record breaking apartheid wall surrounding the largest ethic ghetto since Krakow.
The Israeli military is hiring expatriates preferably with a military background to monitor the prisoners and maintain watchtowers. If you are blinded by a covetousness of other peoples land, but have a keen eye with a sniper scope you would be the ideal candidate for our border watchtower division.
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Simply choose a plot of land and start building! Its easy peesy!!
If your chosen plot is currently occupied by a Palestinian family, dont worry
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Its as easy peesy as eeny meeny miney mo!
We can protect your residential developments on occupied land with experienced snipers in full body armour and appropriately armed Apache helicopters kindly donated by the American public.
If you are an American citizen with a view to emigrating to warmer climes and view of the Med, you may also be eligible for a fraction of the 3,000,000,000 (yes thats 3 Billion!) dollars donated yearly by American taxpayers to help support our broken-ass state.
Due to our endless appetite for weapons of mass destruction our economy is unsustainable and we require your support. WMDs don't come cheap you know. It costs $$$$$$s to terrorise a whole region.
Our military personnel can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.
Give a man a gun and he can kill a Palestinian child. Give him a helicopter and he can kill them all.
Part-time vacancies available:We are currently in construction of the world record breaking apartheid wall surrounding the largest ethic ghetto since Krakow.
The Israeli military is hiring expatriates preferably with a military background to monitor the prisoners and maintain watchtowers. If you are blinded by a covetousness of other peoples land, but have a keen eye with a sniper scope you would be the ideal candidate for our border watchtower division.
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We are currently looking for experienced bulldozer drivers with a large western bank balance to emigrate to the expansionist state of Israel and call it home.
Simply choose a plot of land and start building! Its easy peesy!!
If your chosen plot is currently occupied by a Palestinian family, dont worry
-simply build over them!
Its as easy peesy as eeny meeny miney mo!
We can protect your residential developments on occupied land with experienced snipers in full body armour and appropriately armed Apache helicopters kindly donated by the American public.
If you are an American citizen with a view to emigrating to warmer climes with a view of the Mediterranean, you may also be eligible for a fraction of the 3,000,000,000 (yes thats 3 Billion!) dollars donated yearly by American taxpayers to help support our broken-ass state.
Due to our endless appetite for weapons of mass destruction our economy is unsustainable and we require your support. WMDs don't come cheap you know. It costs $$$$$$s to terrorise a whole region.
Our military can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.
Give a man a gun and he can kill a Palestinian child. Give him a helicopter and he can kill them all.
Part-time vacancies available:We are currently in construction of the world record breaking apartheid wall surrounding the largest ethic ghetto since Krakow.
The Israeli military is hiring expatriates preferably with a military background to monitor the prisoners and maintain watchtowers. If you are blinded by a covetousness of other peoples land, but have a keen eye with a sniper scope you are the ideal candidate for our watchtower division.
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help censor the american media
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If you are at an American University we are recruiting active censorship drones to spy on fellow students, lecturers and guest speakers on behalf of the Israeli government.
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Free housing:In six short weeks we can show you how to build a rogue state by demolishing existing homes in Palestine and building new houses on top!
We are currently looking for experienced bulldozer drivers with a large western bank balance to emigrate to the expansionist state of Israel and call it home.
Simply choose a plot of land and start building! Its easy peesy!!
If your chosen plot is currently occupied by a Palestinian family, dont worry
-simply build over them!
Its as easy peesy as eeny meeny miney mo!
We can protect your residential developments on occupied land with experienced snipers in full body armour and appropriately armed Apache helicopters kindly donated by the American public.
If you are an American citizen with a view to emigrating to warmer climes with a view of the Mediterranean, you may also be eligible for a fraction of the 3,000,000,000 (yes thats 3 Billion!) dollars donated yearly by American taxpayers to help support our broken-ass state.
Due to our endless appetite for weapons of mass destruction our economy is unsustainable and we require your support. WMDs don't come cheap you know. It costs $$$$$$s to terrorise a whole region.
Our military personnel can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.
Give a man a gun and he can kill a Palestinian child. Give him a helicopter and he can kill them all.
Part-time vacancies available:We are currently in construction of the world record breaking apartheid wall surrounding the largest ethic ghetto since Krakow.
The Israeli military is hiring expatriates preferably with a military background to monitor the prisoners and maintain watchtowers. If you are blinded by a covetousness of other peoples land, but have a keen eye with a sniper scope you would be the ideal candidate for our border watchtower division.
We need your help. Sponsor an Israeli colonizer.
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If you are at an American University we are currently recruiting active censorship drones to spy on fellow students, lecturers and guest speakers on behalf of the Israeli government.
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We are currently looking for experienced bulldozer drivers with a large western bank balance to emigrate to the expansionist state of Israel and call it home.
Simply choose a plot of land and start building! Its easy peesy!!
If your chosen plot is currently occupied by a Palestinian family, dont worry
-simply build over them!
Its as easy peesy as eeny meeny miney mo!
We can protect your residential developments on occupied land with experienced snipers in full body armour and appropriately armed Apache helicopters kindly donated by the American public.
If you are an American citizen with a view to emigrating to warmer climes with a view of the Mediterranean, you may also be eligible for a fraction of the 3,000,000,000 (yes thats 3 Billion!) dollars donated yearly by American taxpayers to help support our broken-ass state.
Due to our endless appetite for weapons of mass destruction our economy is unsustainable and we require your support. WMDs don't come cheap you know. It costs a fortune to terrorise a whole region.
Our military personnel can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.
Give a man a gun and he can kill a Palestinian child. Give him a helicopter and he can kill them all.
Part-time vacancies available:
We are currently in construction of the world record breaking apartheid wall surrounding the largest ethic ghetto since Krakow.
The Israeli military is hiring expatriates preferably with a military background to monitor the prisoners and maintain watchtowers and sniper nests. If you are blinded by a covetousness of other peoples land, but yet have a keen eye with a sniper scope you would be the ideal candidate for our border watchtower guard division.
We need your help. Sponsor an Israeli colonizer.
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help censor the american press
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If you are at an American University we are currently recruiting active censorship drones to spy on fellow students, lecturers and guest speakers on behalf of the Israeli government.
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Free housing.
In six short weeks we can show you how to build a rogue state by demolishing existing homes in Palestine and building new houses on top!
We are currently looking for experienced bulldozer drivers with a large western bank balance to emigrate to the expansionist state of Israel and call it home.
Simply choose a plot of land and start building! Its easy peesy!!
If your chosen plot is currently occupied by a Palestinian family, dont worry
-simply build over them!
Its as easy peesy as eeny meeny miney mo!
We can protect your future residential developments on occupied land
with fully experienced snipers in full body armour and appropriately armed
Apache helicopters kindly donated by the American public.
If you are an American citizen with a view to emigrating to warmer climes and a view of the
Mediterranean, you may also be eligible for a fraction of the 3,000,000,000 (yes thats 3 Billion!) dollars donated every year by American tax payers to help support our broken-ass state.
Due to our endless appetite for weapons of mass destruction our economy is unsustainable and we require your contribution and support. WMDs don't come cheap you know. It costs a fortune to terrorise a whole region.
Our military personnel can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.
Give a man a gun and he can kill a Palestinian child. Give him a helicopter and he can kill them all.
Part-time vacancies available
We are currently in construction of the world record breaking apartheid wall surrounding the largest ethic ghetto since Krakow.
The Israeli military is hiring expatriates preferably with a military background to monitor the prisoners and maintain watchtowers and sniper nests. If you are blinded by a covetousness of other peoples land, but yet have a keen eye with a sniper scope you would be the ideal candidate for our border watchtower guard division.
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help censor the Amercian press
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If you are at an American University or further education college we are currently recruiting active censorship drones to spy on fellow students, lecturers and guest speakers on behalf of the Israeli government.
We can actively stifle democratic thought and criticism of Israeli fascist oppression.
-But only with your help!
Free housing.
In six short weeks we can show you how to build a rogue state by demolishing existing homes in Palestine and building new houses on top!
We are currently looking for experienced bulldozer drivers with a large western bank balance to emigrate to the expansionist state of Israel and call it home.
Simply choose a plot of land and start building! Its easy peesy!!
If your chosen plot is currently occupied by a Palestinian family, dont worry
-simply build over them!
Its as easy peesy as eeny meeny miney mo!
We can protect your future residential developments on occupied land
with fully experienced snipers in full body armour and appropriately armed
Apache helicopters kindly donated by the American public.
If you are an American citizen with a view to emigrating to warmer climes and a view of the
Mediterranean, you may also be eligible for a fraction of the 3,000,000,000 (yes thats 3 Billion!) dollars donated every year by American tax payers to help support our broken-ass state.
Due to our endless appetite for weapons of mass destruction our economy is unsustainable and we require your contribution and support. WMDs don't come cheap you know. It costs a fortune to terrorise a whole region.
Our military personnel can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.
Give a man a gun and he can kill a Palestinian child. Give him a helicopter and he can kill them all.
Part-time vacancies available
We are currently in construction of the world record breaking apartheid wall surrounding the largest ethic ghetto since Krakow.
The Israeli military is hiring expatriates preferably with a military background to monitor the prisoners and maintain watchtowers and sniper nests. If you are blinded by a covetousness of other peoples land, but yet have a keen eye with a sniper scope you would be the ideal candidate for our border watchtower guard division.
We need your help. Sponsor an Israeli colonizer.
Do it today.
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If you are at an American University or further education college we are currently recruiting active censorship drones to spy on fellow students, lecturers and guest speakers on behalf of the Israeli government.
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Free housing.
In six short weeks we can show you how to build a rogue state by demolishing existing homes in Palestine and building new houses on top!
We are currently looking for experienced bulldozer drivers with a large western bank balance to emigrate to the expansionist state of Israel and call it home.
Simply choose a plot of land and start building! Its easy peesy!!
If your chosen plot is currently occupied by a Palestinian family, dont worry
-simply build over them!
Its as easy peesy as eeny meeny miney mo!
We can protect your future residential developments on occupied land
with fully experienced snipers in full body armour and appropriately armed
Apache helicopters kindly donated by the American public.
If you are an American citizen with a view to emigrating to warmer climes and a view of the
Mediterranean, you may also be eligible for a fraction of the 3,000,000,000 (yes thats 3 Billion!) dollars donated every year by American tax payers to help support our broken-ass state.
Due to our endless appetite for weapons of mass destruction our economy is unsustainable and we require your contribution and support. WMDs don't come cheap you know. It costs a fortune to terrorise a whole region.
Our military personnel can barely afford to maintain our arsenal of 200 nuclear weapons, spy satellites and attack submarines.
Give a man a gun and he can kill a Palestinian child. Give him a helicopter and he can kill them all.
Part-time vacancies available
We are currently in construction of the world record breaking apartheid wall surrounding the largest ethic ghetto since Krakow.
The Israeli military is hiring expatriates preferably with a military background to monitor the prisoners and maintain watchtowers and sniper nests. If you are blinded by a covetousness of other peoples land, but yet have a keen eye with a sniper scope you would be the ideal candidate for our border watchtower guard division.
We need your help. Sponsor an Israeli colonizer.
Do it today.
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Re:A LOT worse then thatIf you want to go really tinfoil hat (ie. reality under a Rupublican administration) here's some more info...
Diebold has long claimed it does not track votes on Election Day but Harris said this file of election data from San Luis Obispo County, California shows otherwise.
"It is impossible for this file to have existed if there wasn't some sort of illicit electronic communication going on for remote access," Harris said.
"It's against the law to start counting the votes before the polls have closed. But this file is date and time stamped at 3:31 in the afternoon on Election Day, and somehow all 57 precincts managed to call home add them themselves up in the middle of the day. Not only once but three times," Harris said. "If you have no electronic communications between the polling places and the main office, how does that happen? Because what would you literally have to do is to shut down the polling place in 57 places at once and get in a car and drive this card into the county office. That's not going to happen."
Technically, under the Diebold system that means it is possible for someone who has access to the system to monitor the progress of the voting results throughout the day and to potentially manipulate them. Common Dreams
Or how about...
A little less than eight months after steppind down as director of AIS [American Information Systems, another electronic voting Machine company], Hagel surprised national pundits and defied early polls by defeating Benjamin Nelson, the state's popular former governor. It was Hagel's first try for public office. Nebraska elections officials told The Hill that machines made by AIS probably tallied 85 percent of the votes cast in the 1996 vote, although Nelson never drew attention to the connection. Hagel won again in 2002, by a far healthier margin. That vote is still angrily disputed by Hagel's Democratic opponent, Charlie Matulka, who did try to make Hagel's ties to ES&S an issue in the race and who asked that state elections officials conduct a hand recount of the vote. That request was rebuffed, because Hagel's margin of victory was so large. Mother Jones
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Re:Bullshit
When have we NOT held that public nudity and swearing in public are a bad thing? Especially on the broadcast airwaves? When have we EVER allowed it?
There are a good number of nations in the world -- today and in history -- where these things dont bat an eyelash. The USA is a prudish nation, and not a 'bastion of liberty and freedom'. This if true -- its unfortunate that you seem contented with that situation.
nd two, when has the press ever been NOT free to question the adequecy of national security, except during wartime? We're in a war right now (whether some people want to admit it or not),
You are not at War. Only your Congress can Delcare War on another nation. This has not happened. There is no state of "war". What *is* happening is that the warmongers in office are using a complicit military to run roughshod over international law. You have invaded 2 soverign nations, violating your own domestic law in the process and are currently occupying these nations through thinly veiled puppet regimes. You are in no more a state of war with Iraq/Afghanistan than you are with Drugs, Communism or any other boogy-man. I realize this may violate a belief that America can Do No Wrong and is not only always "right", but has the moral authority to justify any action. Unfortunatley, a great majority of the world now recognizes that The USA is the single greatest threat to world peace.
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Don't forget US DOE radiation medical experiements
DOE radiation experiments on unsuspecting civilians
Three things about this:
1. If the Clinton administration hadn't opened these records, people would brand anyone who claimed that this stuff actually happened as tinfoil hat wearing paranoids.
2. If the tip of this iceberg was spotted during this administration,all evidence of it would have been "accidentally" destroyed like all records of the Bush family's skeletons - from the grandfathers registered foreign agent status for the German banker, the fact that the Bush brothers were all close with Hinckley when they lived in Lobbock. Why did the Hinckley family offer up their blacksheep for the Bushes to be able to take early control of the White House (which Bush, Sr. had wanted since he had Kennedy killed for fucking him on the Bay of Pigs)? Because the DOE was going to fine the Hinckley's oil company for illegal profit taking during 1973-1981, and for fear of the ensuing cans of worms that would be exposed as those dominos fell. I wonder if they ever were fined? - I would assume yes since Hinckley failed to do the job. All the way up to the idiot son's national Guard service record details, so that they could not be used against him in the election.
3. John Titor was correct, he said the civil war would start on "a day everyone would remember", my guess is that now that the Bush/Cheney regime realize that they are going to lose, they will say that there is going to be an attack on election day and delay the election, that will become (in hindsight) the day that catalyzed the civil war. -
Re:More nonsense
Yes, $1,890,401 (Republicans) is the same as $800,343 (Democrats). OpenSecrets data for 2001-2002 gives those numbers.
Admittedly, some of the data is conflicting; see what OpenSecrets says for 2000 vs what commondreams says, and it appears to change over time so it's not that simple ... but I think you get the point. -
Corporations are people, too!
A corporation doesn't have a "self" - it's not a person, so it has only a few attributes created by people.
Apparently, a judge of Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad Co. (1886) doesn't agree with you. See http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0101-07.htm (which explains this in relation to a false advertising suit against Nike), or at least read this excerpt:
Prior to 1886, the Bill of Rights and the 14th Amendment defined human rights, and individuals - representing themselves and their own opinions - were free to say and do what they wanted. Corporations, being artificial creations of the states, didn't have rights, but instead had privileges. The state in which a corporation was incorporated determined those privileges and how they could be used. And the same, of course, was true for other forms of "legally enacted game playing" such as unions, churches, unincorporated businesses, partnerships, and even governments, all of which have only privileges.
But with the stroke of his pen, Court Reporter Davis moved corporations out of that "privileges" category - leaving behind all the others (unions, governments, and small unincorporated businesses still don't have "rights") - and moved them into the "rights" category with humans, citing the 14th Amendment which was passed at the end of the Civil War to grant the human right of equal protection under the law to newly-freed slaves. -
Re:Um
After you prosecute Halliburton* and every other US defense, technology and financial company for doing the same thing for 150 years or so and to the tune of trillions of dollars - come to think of it, isn't that the whole thing that the Bush Administration doesn't want people to know from Moore's 911? Come on, when the bribe you were caught giving was 180 million how many and for how much were there that didn't get publicized - it would be like saying there is only one bug because it is the only one that was reported.
* How about today I saw a blurb on Bloomberg news that Halliburton and others are using their offices in the Cayman Islands so they could make deals with countries that the US labels as "terrorist"
Brown and Root's Candidate
Most Unpatriotic US Company
Halliburton to stop Soldier's emails during 2004 summer
Empty trucks crossing Iraq to increase profits
Libyia
The Dresser merger also raised ethical questions. The United States had concluded that Iraq, Libya, and Iran supported terrorism and had imposed strict sanctions on them. Yet during Cheney's tenure at Halliburton the company did business in all three countries. In the case of Iraq, Halliburton legally evaded U.S. sanctions by conducting its oil-service business through foreign subsidiaries that had once been owned by Dresser. With Iran and Libya, Halliburton used its own subsidiaries. The use of foreign subsidiaries may have helped the company to avoid paying U.S. taxes.
and on and on...
Halliburton: We like third world people - for slaves
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Re:A troll! ... I'll bite too!!!
Everyone believes they have rights because they're never violated.
Of course it happens.
Um, i've lost my belief in rights!
The concept of "rights" sounds good because it's never tested.
Court is for poster children.
Not every court gets a poster, some actually do test rights.
It's very easy to show an individual how little right they have to anything.
Aren't SCO and RIAA single entities? (Albeit representing a lot of money.. er, artists.)
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Re:Microsoft loses a drop
Stupid Ashcroft
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Of course Ashcroft went soft
Of course Ashcroft went limp on Microsoft. After all the money that they funneled to the republican party, how could he do anything other than bend over and grab his ankles for his new corporate masters?
From here:
During the last election campaign, Microsoft employees gave more than $50, 000 to the Bush campaign, while the company and its workers gave $500,000 in unlimited, soft money donations to the Republican National Committee for use in Bush's battle against Democrat Al Gore. Gore did not receive any money from Microsoft, according to election commission records.
According to data supplied by the Center for Responsive Politics, Microsoft employees also donated $22,500 to Bush's recount effort, and a Microsoft executive gave $100,000 to the Bush-Cheney Inauguration Committee.
Of course, nobody should be surprised by this anymore.
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Diesel? Depends on your goals.You have to consider motivation, too.
Yes, turbo diesel cars get incredible mileage, but the particulate emissions -- despite dramatic improvements over the past decade -- still fall near the bottom of the heap.
So, if you want to improve your mileage to save a couple of hundred dollars a year and/or to reduce dependance on foreign oil, a diesel is definitely the car for you.
On the other hand, if you're concerned about that grey haze hanging low in the sky that you notice every morning driving to work and wonder about what it's doing to your lungs, you might want to consider other technologies.
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Re:Here's an idea
You do realise that George Bush also gets his instructions to kill bad people direct from God as well.
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Re:Moore's Politics
Has Bush done, said, implied, mimed, ANYTHING that would lead to the impression that he is a "messenger of God"
Yes - from Common Dreams (who, in turn was quoting the Israeli newspaper Haaretz):
Bush said: 'God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.'
Ok, if you want to talk about lies and liars--and imply GW Bush (I assume that's who you are implying?) is a liar--what's an example of a lie he told?
Too many to even list here, but here's a typical example (from the Center for American Progress claim vs. fact db):
Claim: "The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons...And according to the British government, the Iraqi regime could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes." [Source: White House Web site - since taken down]
Fact: "Iraq did not have a large, ongoing, centrally controlled chemical weapons program after 1991. Information found to date suggests that Iraq's large-scale capability to develop, produce, and fill new CW munitions was reduced - if not entirely destroyed - during Operations Desert Storm and Desert Fox, 13 years of UN sanctions and UN inspections." - Bush Administration Weapons Inspector David Kay, 10/2/03
Bush knew, or should have known, that his claim was false.
Sean