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You need one of these: PS/2 to USB Adaptor

You are comparing a 7" tablet to a 10" tablet ?

No, no I'm not. I was off on the price, though, by five bucks. So sorry.

Now I address the sibling comment because as far as I know, it was left by the same person, and if not, it is at least equally anonymous and cowardly.

You are assuming Apple is playing the same game as everyone else. They're not.

Yes, in fact, they are. They're playing the game of selling stuff to make money.

There is no loss leader on hardware with Apple.

Is there a loss leader at Dealexteme, or Alibaba?

Apple doesn't care about $200 tablets, and they don't care about $500 computers

Apple sells a competitor to the $500 computer, it's called the Mac Mini and it costs $600. And it has been speculated (including by your neighboring anonymous coward) that they will sell a small tablet for $250. You are wrong about nearly everything.

I prefer this model, but I think that's mostly because I'd want the Boxee remote, twice the ram, and Ice Cream Sandwich.

In case someone is seriously considering the tablet

What are you talking about, I didn't link a tablet. DX *does* have ICS with IPS and A10 for around $200 though...

$75 for a complete solution

In case someone is seriously considering the tablet, you can get upgraded versions (running 4.0) for the same price right off Amazon. Being my first tablet, I find it really really good.

$300 for something that could be done for less than $75 with a Pi

$75 for a complete solution

Or an old Linux box lying around?

That is gigantic and power-hungry by comparison.

Or a used Xbox for $50?

Gigantic, power-hungry, and limited to 1080i.

For $300, I could put together a complete microATX system with tons of storage and CPU.

Now that is an excellent point.

• Promise of "killer" opening price-point of $99.

Hardware is not the business these days it once was. The business these days is AppMarkets. Just look at the extremly low prices at Steam, GOG.com, Apple AppStore, GooglePlay, etc. Apple and Steam were the first to realize, that if you've got a shop, that reaches the whole fucking world, you will have as much customers as never before. And you do not pay for any retail-stores. You set up a network of CDN servers, hire the people, and there you go, getting 20%-30% on each sold unit. Now you want to sell as many units as possible. Because 1.000.000 x 3.99$ is still more than 20.000 x 19.99$. I guess, this is what OUYA is counting on, too. Let's have a look at non-tablet and non-phone Android hardware these days:

Take all those Chinese manufactured Android media-streamers, which sell for 80-120 USD without shipping. Some even come with a remote control with motion sensor. What is with the Mele A1000 going 92.60USD incl. shipping?? Or the Rikomagic for retailing at 79USD? These devices are a one shot sale for the vendor. And there is a supply-chain. If OUYA sells the console directly via their web-store, they have no reseller, who adds to the price.

• Promise of "every game free-to-play".

That is not quite exact. They require every game to have content, that is accessible for free. The game-developers are going to charge via in-game-content, which means, that the OUYA market is going to charge, too, I guess. Loads of money possible that way!

• Use of Android and other buzzwords.

No buzzwords here. Android is a well deeloped and mature platform, that powers millions of devices.

• Multitude of unrelated screenshots of unrelated, unsupported, non-Android games.

That just gives me the impression, that they are a professional company, that takes care a lot for appearance and PR. They wanted to impress right from the start. This is not you neighbourhood guy, who is a Maker and wants to get funding for his latest 3D printer design.

Promise of "easy rooting" (why would you need to root something if root was manufacturer-supported?)

"rooting" was the right word to choose. Everybody knows, what it means: access to the device. Whether it is as wasy as getting a root-password in the manual or needing a reflash is something else. It's just the term, that makes everybody understand, that you get access to the device easily.

"Estimated Delivery: March 2013" is awfully soon to manufacture a console with presumably no prior hardware development experience.

To me it seems, they have done a lot of work, already. Just look at the designer of the box and controller. He is very well established and designed a very successfull product: Yves Behar from fuseproject (designer of the Jambox).

A scam it is not.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ak802-mini-android-4-0-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-tf-usb-black-4gb-1gb-ddr-iii-143431?r=20144190

And yet something already exists, and for cheaper.

And what became of Cotton Candy ?

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ak802-mini-android-4-0-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-tf-usb-black-4gb-1gb-ddr-iii-143431?r=20144190

And yet something already exists, and for cheaper.

That maybe available now, and is slightly cheaper, BUT it lacks the graphics processing capability of the Tegra 3 chipset, has half the memory storage, and lacks a tactile sensitive joystick.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ak802-mini-android-4-0-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-tf-usb-black-4gb-1gb-ddr-iii-143431?r=20144190

And yet something already exists, and for cheaper.

I'm getting a Mele A1000... but yes, my thoughts exactly Shikaku.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ak802-mini-android-4-0-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-tf-usb-black-4gb-1gb-ddr-iii-143431?r=20144190

And yet something already exists, and for cheaper.

... and I could continue with differences in the gpu (nvidia Tegra vs unknown gpu)

These things matter for a videoconsole

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ak802-mini-android-4-0-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-tf-usb-black-4gb-1gb-ddr-iii-143431?r=20144190

And yet something already exists, and for cheaper.

On the energy side, the original motohome lights were power hogs. The 1187 bulbs draw 2.1 Amps each or about 25 watts. Using the inverter, I use 1.5 to 7 Watt LED lamps instead.

led 1187

No need for an inverter to handle lighting, no need to swap fixtures to reduce power consumption.

Your Pacific rim drop-shipper of choice has a fair number of offerings (these ones are reasonably representative); from ~$70 to ~$170 depending on the phase of the moon, number of ports and media readers, and chipset.

You forget the Logitech Revue.

You can say that the bootloader is locked, but then so is the AppleTV locked. You listed a bunch of "Pacific Rim" devices which are also presumably available for use, but then excuse away the lack of XBMC port by pointing to incompatibilities across SOC hardware as if this was a new thing.

Bottom line? Most of the XBMC developers probably have iPhones and simply don't care about Android. Considering the AppleTV is only $99, it's hard to blame them.

Your Pacific rim drop-shipper of choice has a fair number of offerings (these ones are reasonably representative); from ~$70 to ~$170 depending on the phase of the moon, number of ports and media readers, and chipset.

Many, if not all, allegedly support at least some sort of '1080p' decode, though exactly what hides in the details may or may not be a pleasant surprise.

To the best of my knowledge, though, development interest in these remains somewhat mired in their variety. It is highly unlikely that the firmware developers on those things spent any time or effort actively hindering 3rd party developers or replacement firmwares; but it isn't a whole lot more likely that they wasted a whole lot of time on 'quality' or 'compatibility' either. Apple, by contrast, actively hates you; but they don't have 30-odd different aTV variants, each broken in a different way.

It is almost certainly the case that there would be some good candidates, if somebody could pick through them and then establish a reliable supply of purchasable units guaranteed to be the same hardware, rather than a totally different board in the same case(purchasers of wireless cards and routers will be familiar with the fact that model numbers are merely suggestions...); but that is at the level of forum anecdote at present...

70 bucks, has case, wifi, android 2.3, hdmi out, 512mb, usb ports.. point being, pi isn't cheap. it's stripped down.
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-1080p-android-2-3-network-media-player-w-wifi-tf-usb-hdmi-rj45-black-116857

  it would be nice for projects for hobbyists, but that's against their stated charity goal...

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/30w-2400lm-led-emitter-metal-plate-white-16v-18v-39959

$25 LED matrix (2400lm) + $18 driver + diffuser ($?)
LED matrix should last 25 years, don't know about the driver.

Std. 100 Watt incandescent 1750lm (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_efficacy)

It seems they get more efficient every year.

and then they'll be selling this. http://www.dealextreme.com/p/android-1080p-media-player-w-av-usb-sd-hdmi-ports-white-113252

the novel thing about raspberry pi is that(who cares if it's actually manufactured in asia, from asian parts?) is that it's project by a british charity(though they haven't done any actual charity yet? ).

in short it doesn't really seem that much that they know what they want to do - do they want to sell boards to hobbyists needing media players or do they want to give devices to schools(which would be what a charity would have been setup for). do they want to sell devices at profit or do they not?

honestly though it sure as f isn't going to change anything about what their stated goal was to change. all the targeted kids have computers already, uk doesn't need a new bbc micro. everyone has them already. generating interest at doing something with their devices though takes more.

oh so they're a charity?

maybe clones won't have broadcom chip then. however, adding "cost" to it would be adding the profit margin of say 30-40% to the chip part, which wouldn't raise the cost that much honestly, bigger thing is getting the chips in the first place and broadcom not selling their yields to a phone manufacturer.

anyways, I'd count as a clone even if it has a different soc, if it is marketed towards the same market, raspberry itself being also a clone of similar products anyhow.

but what's stopping a chinese factory looking at the demand for this, seeing that they have trouble dealing with the volume, calling up rockchip for some cheap chips and putting them on a board? seems like a no brainer. they already do that but add a screen and sell them for 80 bucks, once they see that there could be demand for a screenless arm computer they will do it sooner or later (though maybe they'll just squeeze couple of bucks off from devices like this http://www.dealextreme.com/p/android-1080p-media-player-w-av-usb-sd-hdmi-rj45-ports-blue-103331 , of course there's no gpio ports exposed.. this not being even the cheapest. damn, damn damn now I'll have to order something from dx).

http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/28/fuzhou-rockchip-announces-rk30-for-the-budget-tablets-of-today/

I bought one from there too (85w for my macbook, since I thought it might run cooler).

The led on the magsafe connector doesn't work, but the adapter works great and was a lot cheaper than the official one. Apparently the t-style magsafe aren't very robust and the internal cable gets wrecked. Of course Apple doesn't make that part of the adapter easily replaceable like the power cord (which is much less likely to get wrecked). They really should make it a replaceable part. Dell builds a sturdier power adapter for their entry level laptops (at least in my experience).

I have experience with about half a dozen "business class" Dell laptops and my personal experience is that the connector on the power adapter is garbage. The plastic surround breaks easily right where it should be able to flex and once it is broken it is just a matter of time before you have exposed, frayed wires. A fairly inexpensive third party adapter was always the best choice for replacements.

I had one of the old t-style magsafe adapters and it also was not so great, but definitely better than the Dell equivalent. The new-style magsafe has been outstanding for me so far. But I also have the typical barrel-style adapter for a Thinkpad and it is also outstanding. The magsafe is really nice though. I really wish Apple licensed that patent (cheaply).

I bought one from there too (85w for my macbook, since I thought it might run cooler).

The led on the magsafe connector doesn't work, but the adapter works great and was a lot cheaper than the official one. Apparently the t-style magsafe aren't very robust and the internal cable gets wrecked. Of course Apple doesn't make that part of the adapter easily replaceable like the power cord (which is much less likely to get wrecked). They really should make it a replaceable part. Dell builds a sturdier power adapter for their entry level laptops (at least in my experience).

Can you get Magsafe power adapters from anyone else anyways? I've never seen any, and a quick Googling says no.

Our friends from China say "yes, you can". I burned two original magsafe PA, then bought this one by U$ 30 (w/ shipping) two years ago. Still working.

USD $15.30 from DealExtreme, including shipping to anywhere in the world :)

twelve bucks and do some cranking. seems much much much more feasible than solar powered right now.

buy one of those 'africa' nokias and a crank charger if you want to be an eco hippie right now..
or just six bucks. http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dynamo-hand-crank-cell-phone-emergency-charger-3669 hell, you can get a phone and a crank for under 50 bucks if you go with ultrabasic nokia(40 dollars for 1280 and that six bucks for crank chager and since it's an 'africa model' it's got a standby of 22 days).

for what's it worth, they've been making those(hand crank chargers) for a decade now, my sister had one with pretty much identical design about ten years ago. if you're going to do some hc wilderness hiking, I'd recommend getting one.

Having purchased one of these 'el-cheapo' 7" tablets to see how bad an $80 android pad could be; I got this one (or it's brother, don't recall the exact model) two months ago and it is indeed a pile of crap that stinketh verily. Unless HP is spreading magic pixie dust on their sub- $100 tablet, stay far away from these tablets.

Now, the 9.7" Impression i10 I got at Sears for $230 - THAT's a freakin' schweet Android tablet.

Just to complement this, http://www.dealextreme.com/c/tablets-1409?page=1&pagesize=52&pagesort=price

http://www.dealextreme.com/c/tablets-1409?page=1&pagesize=20&pagesort=price

For something closer to home, you could go to CVS and get the craig. It's regular price is $99, but it is frequently on sale for $75-$80. Here is a review and info on rooting:

http://reviewhorizon.com/2011/05/how-to-root-install-custom-roms-and-add-android-market-for-cvs-craig-cmp-738a-75-android-tablet/

1023, really? I'm betting it's 1024x768, but that's from the article -- worth a [sic] IMO, but I'll let it go.

As the article says, "many wonder" if it will be firesaled for $99, but there's no new reason to suppose any significant stock exists; it remains the same baseless speculation it's been for months.

And as for second-cheapest tablet, a dozen cheaper ones beg to differ.

I like the tablet and this is good news, but

there are a bunch of tablets at DealExtreme.com, naturally they all run Android so you can load up whatever. It's important to read the reviews so you can find a decent one and not a junker.

DealExtreme have quite a few options to choose from. You put a SIM card in them with a data plan and they send their GPS location to an IP address of your choosing at a set interval.

For personal use you can point the device to the servers at http://gps-trace.com/. They can show you the real time location and history on Google Maps, you can set up a geofence alert (tells you when the device leaves certain boundaries), etc.

One member created an Android app to make configuration easier for a particular model (TLT-2H), so you can avoid the Chinglish manual. (Set up is done by sending SMSes to the device in a particular format, the app automatically produces the SMSes for you with the defined parameters.

Don't worry, there's help: "Using Google Docs to do OCR of the manual, and then Google Translator to translate the manual to English, here are the results."

Awesome features, too, like coma dialing: "Set voice messages to send QA1 start monitoring, live sound that coma dial your phone."

The actual downside: "positioning will work only in China, using ChinaMobile network."

I bought this one for my wife who can't hear her cellphone very well when it's inside her purse (she has a slight hearing problem) and works quite well.

I understand (at some levels) the concept of trying to create a computer for less than the cost of a textbook, but I'd much rather pay $45 and get WiFi, or even $55 and get WiFi and Bluetooth (or, gasp, even $75 and get a plastic case and power supply in the deal.)

Do I really have to look this stuff up for you?

bluetooth dongle for $1.86, have personally tested with Linux, XP, Vista, and Windows 7 & ultra mini 802.11b-g-n dongle, have not tested but I bet it works. For that little, indeed, I would bet. There are other options which are better-tested though, some just as tiny but with big antennas on 'em. Raspberry Pi B (the $35) version has two USB ports, so you don't need a hub. This stuff gives free shipping. DX also has a variety of USB-connectored Mini-USB power supplies (aka cell phone chargers) in the $5-10 range. Your goal of $75 is easily achievable if you just pick up a cute little plastic box, perhaps a pencil box or maybe an attractive piece of tupperware, and cut some appropriate holes in it. The kids' room computers probably need a better box but don't need bluetooth. I pick up USB hub media keyboards and optical mice when I see them at yard sales. This last season I picked up two keyboards with volume knobs and two-port hubs under $5 each, and two optical mice for a buck each.

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I understand (at some levels) the concept of trying to create a computer for less than the cost of a textbook, but I'd much rather pay $45 and get WiFi, or even $55 and get WiFi and Bluetooth (or, gasp, even $75 and get a plastic case and power supply in the deal.)

Do I really have to look this stuff up for you?

bluetooth dongle for $1.86, have personally tested with Linux, XP, Vista, and Windows 7 & ultra mini 802.11b-g-n dongle, have not tested but I bet it works. For that little, indeed, I would bet. There are other options which are better-tested though, some just as tiny but with big antennas on 'em. Raspberry Pi B (the $35) version has two USB ports, so you don't need a hub. This stuff gives free shipping. DX also has a variety of USB-connectored Mini-USB power supplies (aka cell phone chargers) in the $5-10 range. Your goal of $75 is easily achievable if you just pick up a cute little plastic box, perhaps a pencil box or maybe an attractive piece of tupperware, and cut some appropriate holes in it. The kids' room computers probably need a better box but don't need bluetooth. I pick up USB hub media keyboards and optical mice when I see them at yard sales. This last season I picked up two keyboards with volume knobs and two-port hubs under $5 each, and two optical mice for a buck each.

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http://www.dealextreme.com/p/super-mini-bluetooth-2-0-adapter-dongle-vista-compatible-11866?=r.20144190 USB Bluetooth $1.80
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultra-mini-nano-usb-2-0-802-11n-150mbps-wifi-wlan-wireless-network-adapter-48166?=r.20144190 USB Wifi N $8.99
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-handheld-rechargeable-56-key-wireless-bluetooth-keyboard-w-touchpad-black-73249?=r.20144190 bluetooth keyboard and mouse $33.80
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-ports-powered-usb-hub-678?=r.20144190 A/C Powered USB hub so you can use all of these and more (like external hard drives) $15.90

They are pretty cheap. I don't know about the wifi chip but most of them are really cheap and work out of the box on Linux. If you buy the whole set it's $60.50, and with the $25 price tag that's $85.50 for a Linux media center if you cared to try it.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/super-mini-bluetooth-2-0-adapter-dongle-vista-compatible-11866?=r.20144190 USB Bluetooth $1.80
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultra-mini-nano-usb-2-0-802-11n-150mbps-wifi-wlan-wireless-network-adapter-48166?=r.20144190 USB Wifi N $8.99
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-handheld-rechargeable-56-key-wireless-bluetooth-keyboard-w-touchpad-black-73249?=r.20144190 bluetooth keyboard and mouse $33.80
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-ports-powered-usb-hub-678?=r.20144190 A/C Powered USB hub so you can use all of these and more (like external hard drives) $15.90

They are pretty cheap. I don't know about the wifi chip but most of them are really cheap and work out of the box on Linux. If you buy the whole set it's $60.50, and with the $25 price tag that's $85.50 for a Linux media center if you cared to try it.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/super-mini-bluetooth-2-0-adapter-dongle-vista-compatible-11866?=r.20144190 USB Bluetooth $1.80
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultra-mini-nano-usb-2-0-802-11n-150mbps-wifi-wlan-wireless-network-adapter-48166?=r.20144190 USB Wifi N $8.99
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-handheld-rechargeable-56-key-wireless-bluetooth-keyboard-w-touchpad-black-73249?=r.20144190 bluetooth keyboard and mouse $33.80
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-ports-powered-usb-hub-678?=r.20144190 A/C Powered USB hub so you can use all of these and more (like external hard drives) $15.90

They are pretty cheap. I don't know about the wifi chip but most of them are really cheap and work out of the box on Linux. If you buy the whole set it's $60.50, and with the $25 price tag that's $85.50 for a Linux media center if you cared to try it.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/super-mini-bluetooth-2-0-adapter-dongle-vista-compatible-11866?=r.20144190 USB Bluetooth $1.80
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultra-mini-nano-usb-2-0-802-11n-150mbps-wifi-wlan-wireless-network-adapter-48166?=r.20144190 USB Wifi N $8.99
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-handheld-rechargeable-56-key-wireless-bluetooth-keyboard-w-touchpad-black-73249?=r.20144190 bluetooth keyboard and mouse $33.80
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-ports-powered-usb-hub-678?=r.20144190 A/C Powered USB hub so you can use all of these and more (like external hard drives) $15.90

They are pretty cheap. I don't know about the wifi chip but most of them are really cheap and work out of the box on Linux. If you buy the whole set it's $60.50, and with the $25 price tag that's $85.50 for a Linux media center if you cared to try it.

You call that a cheap tablet? This is a cheap tablet. Yours has a higher res screen though.

$42.60 actually.

Hub, mouse, keyboard, monitor(may or may not require a small amount of hacking to get connected).

$42.60 actually.

Hub, mouse, keyboard, monitor(may or may not require a small amount of hacking to get connected).

$42.60 actually.

Hub, mouse, keyboard, monitor(may or may not require a small amount of hacking to get connected).

$42.60 actually.

Hub, mouse, keyboard, monitor(may or may not require a small amount of hacking to get connected).

I would recommend this one with a NEC chipset (2-port version): http://www.dealextreme.com/p/2-port-usb-3-0-superspeed-pci-e-controller-card-35681 There's also a 4-port version with a VIA chipset, but I haven't tried it yet: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/high-speed-usb-3-0-4-port-pci-e-express-card-5gbps-100865

I would recommend this one with a NEC chipset (2-port version): http://www.dealextreme.com/p/2-port-usb-3-0-superspeed-pci-e-controller-card-35681 There's also a 4-port version with a VIA chipset, but I haven't tried it yet: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/high-speed-usb-3-0-4-port-pci-e-express-card-5gbps-100865

...time now, just check this out:

Since the Indian model are planned to be sold commercially for 60 bucks, with those poor specs...check out these android pads for 79 bucks:
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-touch-screen-lcd-google-android-2-2-tablet-pc-w-wifi-camera-tf-arm-v5-349-79mhz-70053

I've seen the same tablet, sold for 59$ when they have specials, so it's certainly possible. And this one is feature ladden.

I didn't realize the iPad is more than a tablet, but you have a point. If you're playing catch up, it not enough to be "like an iPad". It has to be "like an iPad, except (better/cheaper)" There aren't really many important features on a tablet. Light, thin, good LCD and capacitive multi-touch are pretty much 90% of the deal. The Chinese knockoffs are going for cheaper though and, as usual, they go all the way.

if you go with shitty via socs you can get functional "computers" for under a hundred bucks.
dealextreme has several models, with keyboards or only with touch. what makes the latest generation arms cost so much is that there's more demand than output, because they're latest gen, and orders made in advance. for general computing they already fill everything - but not for something that you need somewhat new computer for, like creating graphics etc.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-lcd-windows-ce-6-0-via8650-cpu-umpc-netbook-w-wifi-pink-arm-v5-349-79mhz-2gb-sd-lan-82674