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After reading all the articles linked to, I noticed not one mentioned one part of the scam. Business Week and Chicago Tribune said the ethanol was corn based. However the same amount of land would produce more ethanol if sugarcane was used instead. With the world's largest biofuels program Brazil uses sugarcane. And switchgrass produces even more. Another benefit of using switchgrass to make ethanol is that it will grow on marginal land other crops aren't grown on.

Falcon

Parent is not flamebait as the Huffington Post actively works to censor comments it doesn't like and then outright bans the user.

So yes, the Huffington Post does appear to be be a shill site and this attempt at investigative journalism should not be taken seriously.

I had a candidate include their website on the resume - I went to the website and prominently featured thereon was a bunch of MkUltra theory, including how the candidate believes he's a target of CIA mind control.

Now, they virtually wrote this on their application by including their personal website on the resume' - I didn't even have to touch a search engine, and it was clearly them.

Whether you believe in MkUltra or not, I don't think you'd want to hire a self-proclaimed victim of the program.

because the oceans wont protect us from an impending calamity were it to strike earth

More like "because we've already turned them into a huge sewer."

There's 10 million square miles of trash just in the Pacific.

Your construction project is also going to have to hardware to link up 240 generators to the grid. Also they probably arn't going to be able to generate their rated power at all times.

That's no problem, that's already being done. " U.S. Wind Energy Installations Top 20 Gigawatts". Here's a chart of how much each state generates: "10 Gigawatts of wind power (AWEA)".

I doubt it actually takes 23 years to construct a nuclear power plant.

Did you also read about the 5 megawatt wind turbines and how fast power capacity can be added?

Also you arn't restricted to windy places to build them

That's alright, some places are good for wind, others are good for geothermal, solar, or tidal. Geothermal energy produced produced 13,000 gigawatt-hours of electricity in California in 2007. On the Big Island of Hawaii geothermal energy produced 25% of the electricity. Houses in New York City are heated by geothermal energy. From British Columbia to Southern California along the Pacific Coast solar is widely available. Here's a list of states with good solar potential: "Solar takes no shine to Nevada". The title refers to the solar industry not wanting to go to Nevada because right across the state line in California the state has a number of incentives to encourage solar. Simply use whatever type of energy an area has.

Falcon

"pants" is roughly equivalent to "lame" or "sucks" right? In which case you'd agree with me on that one.

AbFab probably did capture the spirit of its era. It's just not a particularly appealing era. To me at least.

Please pay closer attention to what is happening in your world.

Mr Bush has created and deployed an entire US Army battalion on U.S. soil for use against U.S. citizens for the first time in history. And against 2 U.S. laws forbidding such actions.

The Army says,
"Despite conspiracy theories that this could be a first step toward martial law in the U.S., there won't be tanks on Main Street or active-duty troops putting down demonstrations. That is barred by federal law banning the military from being used on U.S. soil for domestic law enforcement.

        Instead, the soldiers of the 1st Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division at Fort Stewart, Ga., have been training to back up civilian authorities in providing medical care and dealing with chemical, biological, high explosive or nuclear attack.

BUT,

Not only does this entirely contradict the first Army Times reports, it also egregiously misrepresents to readers the status of US law in regards to this deployment. Yes, there are laws against military policing on US streets -- they are part of both the 1807 Insurrection Act and 1879's Posse Comitatus Act -- but the Defense Authorization Act of 2007 gutted them.

Congress restored some limitations on the President's ability to deploy troops to engage in military policing in 2008 -- but President Bush issued a signing statement declaring he did not feel bound by those limitations. He also can direct these troops -- and the National Guard, and Blackwater -- to engage in military policing of civilian populations simply by verbally and unilaterally declaring a national emergency of whatever kind he wishes.

Unfortunately, the US Army spokespeople are parsing their words and misleading us. And, whatever the stated mission is today, the fact remains that military up the chain of command report to the Commander in Chief -- not to Congress or to you and me, and not to the Governors as most of the National Guard do."

Links to look at:
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2008/09/30/us-army-brigade-deploys-for-homeland-mission/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x394977

http://www.chelseagreen.com/content/index.php?p=1518

http://www.prisonplanet.com/concerns-about-deployment-of-military-on-us-soil-growing-while-mainstream-media-buries-its-head-in-the-sand-naomi-wolf.html

Oh, and Mr Bush has already threatened to declare marshal law ( when the bailout bill stalled, which would allow Bush to deploy that army unit.
Surely you've seen him and the infamous UTube video ?

House members threatened with 'Marshall Law' if they fail to pass bailout Submitted by Kathlyn Stone

Rep. Sherman (D-CA)says Congress threatened with Martial Law if bill not passed. 'The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere. That atmosphere is not justified. Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday, that the sky would fall...there would be martial law in America if we voted no.'

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/link.php?id=71196

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x205488

Watch how all this comes together and unfolds if McBush the 3rd
( McCain ) gets elected.

Please pay closer attention to what is happening in your world.

Mr Bush has created and deployed an entire US Army battalion on U.S. soil for use against U.S. citizens for the first time in history. And against 2 U.S. laws forbidding such actions.

The Army says,
"Despite conspiracy theories that this could be a first step toward martial law in the U.S., there won't be tanks on Main Street or active-duty troops putting down demonstrations. That is barred by federal law banning the military from being used on U.S. soil for domestic law enforcement.

        Instead, the soldiers of the 1st Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division at Fort Stewart, Ga., have been training to back up civilian authorities in providing medical care and dealing with chemical, biological, high explosive or nuclear attack.

BUT,

Not only does this entirely contradict the first Army Times reports, it also egregiously misrepresents to readers the status of US law in regards to this deployment. Yes, there are laws against military policing on US streets -- they are part of both the 1807 Insurrection Act and 1879's Posse Comitatus Act -- but the Defense Authorization Act of 2007 gutted them.

Congress restored some limitations on the President's ability to deploy troops to engage in military policing in 2008 -- but President Bush issued a signing statement declaring he did not feel bound by those limitations. He also can direct these troops -- and the National Guard, and Blackwater -- to engage in military policing of civilian populations simply by verbally and unilaterally declaring a national emergency of whatever kind he wishes.

Unfortunately, the US Army spokespeople are parsing their words and misleading us. And, whatever the stated mission is today, the fact remains that military up the chain of command report to the Commander in Chief -- not to Congress or to you and me, and not to the Governors as most of the National Guard do."

Links to look at:
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/2008/09/30/us-army-brigade-deploys-for-homeland-mission/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x394977

http://www.chelseagreen.com/content/index.php?p=1518

http://www.prisonplanet.com/concerns-about-deployment-of-military-on-us-soil-growing-while-mainstream-media-buries-its-head-in-the-sand-naomi-wolf.html

Oh, and Mr Bush has already threatened to declare marshal law ( when the bailout bill stalled, which would allow Bush to deploy that army unit.
Surely you've seen him and the infamous UTube video ?

House members threatened with 'Marshall Law' if they fail to pass bailout Submitted by Kathlyn Stone

Rep. Sherman (D-CA)says Congress threatened with Martial Law if bill not passed. 'The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere. That atmosphere is not justified. Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday, that the sky would fall...there would be martial law in America if we voted no.'

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/link.php?id=71196

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x205488

Watch how all this comes together and unfolds if McBush the 3rd
( McCain ) gets elected.

Nope. They were outlawed there three years ago.

A bunch of anti-Bush posts written by fucking idiots sitting in the dark, at home, in their underwear, listening to Alex Jones and watching porn.

You are all no different than the moron at DU http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=56836&mesg_id=56836

Or maybe you are the same morons.

What fucking happened to you people? Lack of oxygen in the womb?

I do recall the article you addressed. Many of the scientists weren't in climatology - they were economists and physicists, a tv weatherman... here's a forum post on this subject, someone else has already done a little legwork:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=228x36906

I did some digging, couldn't find the original contract, but I specifically remember the language "waiving the right to a trial by jury" in it, and it was about 18-20 pages IIRC.

Found a link here And although my phone is not a wireless and I can't count the god damn pages, cause I can't find them I see similar wording in wireless contracts

The contract I got said something like "CONTRACT FOR EXISTING AT&T SERVICES (W/ARBITRATION) INSIDE" And it was a lot of pages, and it said if I do nothing, then that was supposed to be my agreement with it.

It really pisses me off I can't find this now. But I guess the law doesn't give a fuck about being pissed off.

Another site I read on occasion has a page where they post and respond to incoherent and often inflammatory mail.

If you Google Henry Asher Choicepoint you'll find the person and companies you seek.

This link provides a summation of the Seisint to Matrix transformation:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2280827

The key things to be noted are the company names. The fact that it's embedded in political criticism may be ignored for our purposes.

Please describe how pointing out that one particular group in politics is intolerant, hypocritical and has ridiculous arguments is either hypocritical, intolerant or ridiculous in itself?

BTW, I'm no democrat either, but the right wing take the cake in this arena.

First, your idea that the right is "hypocritical, intolerant or ridiculous" is soundly disproved by the fact that only the Democratic Party has a former KKK member within its ranks. It doesn't help that he is considered a "respected member" of the party.

Let's see, "ridiculous arguments"... Well, "The Surge is a Failure" comes to mind. More recently, "Drilling for oil won't help for 10 years" is another doozie. Instead, they prefer alternative energy which won't help for 30 years. We send kids to school every year that won't graduate for 13. Besides, that is exactly what they said 10 years ago.

Intolerant? How many times to you see people on the right celebrating when someone opposite the aisle gets cancer? I can't find anyone who is happy that Elizabeth Edwards has cancer. Take a look for yourself for a find example of the tolerance of the left. Then, of course, there was the rioters throwing snow balls at Bush's motorcade on his way to his first Inauguration. How many of these people apologized when it was proven that he actually won the election? If you need more examples, they are easy to find. Check out The Daily KOS, Huffington Post or Democratic Underground.

Finally, Nancy Pelosi, who promised, "We will work with Republicans in Congress and the Administration in the spirit of partnership, not partisanship." Is that what she meant when she turned the lights out on them? Maybe she was referring to her quote, "The American people voted for a New Direction to restore civility and bipartisanship in Washington, D.C. Democrats promise to work together in a bipartisan way for all Americans." when she refused a vote to allow offshore drilling. How about her saying, "Democrats are ready to lead, prepared to govern and absolutely willing to work in a bipartisan way." and then saying that Bush is a "Total Failure"?

Hypocritical? There John Edwards winning "Father of the Year". Also, what did Milosovich do that Saddam Hussein didn't? Why was it OK to overthrow the government in Bosnia, but the Senate approved and funded war in Iraq is somehow "illegal"?

Now look, I'm not saying the Republicans are perfect, but don't ignore the sins of one party in order to bash the other for doing the exact same thing!

Well, let's see. The so-called "death threats" against you are not death threats at all. A couple of them are asking you to commit suicide, another is even stating you will eventually self destruct. A "death threat" is where someone threatens to kill someone else. None of the comments had such wording or even remotely resembling the wording.

Also, those you call Microsoft or "M$" lovers and haters of free software are nothing of the sort. It is possible to like both closed source and open source software. Just because someone doesn't use M$, Micro$haft, or Windoze doesn't mean they hate open source or Linux. One example you gave was Keith Russell. If he hated open-source software and loved Microsoft as you claim, then he wouldn't be making statements like "This is one of the things that will allow Linux, and FOSS in general, to win in the long term. The multitude of voices and opinions tend to be self-correcting, with benelovent dictators like Linus Torvalds keeping the focus on building up their own products, not tearing down the opposition."1 or "I don't think Microsoft cares that Blu-Ray is Sony's standard, just that it's not Microsoft's standard."

There is no Microsoft conspiracy against you. The reason you have been modded down is because you use "M$" and "Windoze" Microsoft and Windows, which is just as childish as using "Linsux" and "Open Sores" when describing "GNU/Linux" and "Open Source" There are many people on Slashdot who speak against Microsoft and still get modded up. If it were a conspiracy then anyone speaking against Microsoft would be modded down on the spot.

As for Apple, if this is true then a lawsuit is the least of their worries. Apple should worry more about their customers leaving them. Microsoft does at least treats their employees well, homosexuals included.3456 Apple should be treating their employees with more respect.

Sources :
1 - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=197140&cid=16158708
2 - http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=497526&cid=22846284
3 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3128913
4 - http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/346431_antiochmsft08.html
5 - http://www.vault.com/survey/employee/Microsoft-Corporation-EMPLOYEER-3726.html
6 - http://www.brianblog.com/archives/2005_05.html

Thanks for your post. I got it from this web site: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4572001 They in turn copypasted it from this link: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00015 But as you not it was a bad copypaste. Apologies for that. Next time I'll do my own.

BTW note someone "moderated" my post as a troll and it went straight to zero. Presumably not over not copypasting Webb. I though Obama was great until he did the FISA backflip, but say anything back about him and get whacked down. Slashdot needs a way to moderate the "moderators"; moderator points are handed out far to freely.

So it's the image that would be illegal as well as the act.

It is already the case that images, rather than abuse, are the target. (See also here.) This apparently would just add "as a federal crime!" and "on the Internet!" to the business model of locking people in cages for having unclean thoughts.

Go ahead and mod me down for responding to this offtopic troll. I deserve it for biting. In fact I'm modding myself down with the "no karma bonus" box.

If you live in the ghetto and there's a lot of crime and you're poor, just keep having sex without birth control!

I live very near the ghetto and there's a lot of crime, but I'm middle class, you elitist piece of shit.

That's right, if you thought birth control was expensive, just wait until you pop out 3-5 kids that you know damned well you can't afford!

I was married ten years before I realized that there's no such thing as being able to afford kids. I now wish I'd had them when I was 25 instead of 35.

But that's okay, you can always go on welfare

No you can't; not in the US anyway. In case you've been asleep for over a decade, in 1996 Congress passed and Clinton signed welfare reform into law. Ir abolished the entitlemen AFDC, welfare with the goal of subsidising families and replaced it with TANF, which has the goal of getting poor people into the workforce and has a two year limit on benefits, five years lifetime. There is no longer welfare in America, Bubba. Tell your lord and savior Rush Limbaugh, would you?

And if most people who do this happen to be black, don't you dare point this out

Actually, most people who were on AFDC were as white as me, and I have hazel eyes, you stupid racist dumbass.

Go troll a non-tech forum with your stupidity. Judging from the troll you used, I suggest this one. Hiint: I've never been to that site.

-mcgrew

ps: FOAD.

From the Democratic Underground:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3100544

"You're fired!"

Those are the words that millions of Americans could hear if Congress passes the SAVE Act.

The SAVE Act would require every employer in the U.S. to use so-called "electronic employment verification," cross-checking all current and potential employees' citizenship status against databases that the government itself knows are filled with errors and inaccuracies.

And what if the Social Security Administration (SSA) or Department of Homeland Security (DHS) get it wrong and can't verify a person's citizenship or right to work using their buggy database? Tough luck. That person is out of a job, with no right to appeal. And you don't even need to have your identity stolen to be so unlucky.

Does this idea bother you?

Mining itself causes zero CO2 to be released, it's the burning that is in question.

But CO2 isn't the only problem with coal. Mining, especially the Mountain Top removal I mentioned earlier, plays havoc with the environment where it's mined. CO2 isn't the only pollution.

If you don't like mountain top removal or other coal mining operations, drink more bottled spring water. This will create an economic incentive to preserving a natural state.

Most bottled water isn't spring water. Some of it is ground water and some comes from the tap. But even with true water, the more the demand increases the greater the pressure on the source of that spring water. As it is now aquifers throughout the world are being drained. Water is being pumped out faster than it can be replenished. Take the Ogallala Aquifer in the central US. It is one of the largest aquifers in the world yet it's being drained too fast in some locations. In India water is being pumped from aquifers to irrigate farms unsustainably. Coca-Cola plant in India shuttered over water use. The same is happening elsewhere.

Or just forget about storing it and accept the fact that it has nothing to do with climate change.

So more than 1000 scientists are wrong? What's your education and training that has you knowing more than those who have their degrees in climatology or related fields?

You remind me of senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) comments in support of the FISA overhaul (including retroactive immunity for telecom companies who provided data without a warrant to the government): "The civil libertarians among us would rather defend the constitution than protect our nation's security."

You thought that was Joe Lieberman? :-)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3712993&mesg_id=3713030

However how about this link http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4102045 [democratic...ground.com] that shows a pattern of not using thermisol in pediatric vaccines and the decline in autism in California?

Ah your link doesn't work but a search on autism and Japan showed that Japan banned the MMR vaccine in 1993 not thermisol. That article said banning MMR did not reduce the incident of autism. I never mentioned MMR, so maybe you should stop spreading FUD.

However how about this link http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4102045 that shows a pattern of not using thermisol in pediatric vaccines and the decline in autism in California?

In either case all I said is to not use vaccines with thermisol, that doesn't mean you can't vaccinate.

Christians don't kill you. Don't threaten you. And they don't gang up on your family just because you don't "respect" creationism.

Whether or not VMWare violates Linux copyrights, the mere fact that this is being discussed may add to the perception of the GPL as a "viral" license, and steer developers/businesses away from using Linux and other GPL software in their products.


Is this a form of concern trolling? I mean, if we can't talk about possible violations of the GPL because people will become afraid of... violating the GPL... where are we at then?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/ especially Late Breaking News

on the other hand, you can go over to democratic underground.com and see this amazing trip down the road of stupidity and failed critical thinking

That isn't satire. That is an actual liberal posting on an actual mainstream liberal website and he is obviously batshit insane. I have never seen anything on freerepublic.com as retarded as that thread on democraticunderground.com

We're having a discussion about this on Democratic Underground, and there's two open questions.
See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa rd.php?az=view_all&address=203x471399

It'd be great to get them answered:

(1) The NetCraft hosting history report on BEGINS on Nov. 3, 2004 with SmartTech. Doubt if that's right. Who hosted that website BEFORE Nov. 3? Or was that website created on Nov. 3, 2004?

(2) Is there any way of getting times for the hosting changes on the NetCraft report? Or verifying that they are in GMT?

Come on net wizards, help out.

I posted a comment on Democratic Underground attempting to explain this news in layman's terms.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa rd.php?az=view_all&address=203x471399

One reply correctly pointed out that election was Nov. 2, not Nov. 4. Which makes the Nov. 3-Nov. 5 hosting service intrusion even more mysterious.

I will be reading with interest what you folks with real expertise can figure out about this.

Sure, there are good things happening in Iraq. Not all the US soldiers are dead, and likewise, less than 20% of Iraqis have been tortured and shot (so far). Some that were tortured and shot and survived are recovering, even. Nonetheless, the big story remains the unchecked slaughter civilians by roving sectarian death squads.

Likewise, some glaciers are getting bigger during certain seasons such as winter. The big story remains the unchecked destruction of the planet.

Unfortunately closed minded groups and certain people have a bit of an agenda that isnt simply "find the truth".

Before those who support those groups say that "the other does it as well"- yes, it happens. However, such actions appear on a regular basis with such groups as Pajamas Media, and that they do so blatantly enough to make it a sign of their presence.

"maybe, this trend to paperless voting is the greatest scam ever perpetrated on the voting populace in the world's history...."

I believe GP was referring to this admin posting, which, while not exactly describing her as a phony, describes her at the very least as a difficult person to deal with, and after several temporary bans from their board, is persona non grata there.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Kelvin%2 0Mace/2

For reference:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/18/rumsfeld/ (April 18th of this year)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/01/washington/01cnd -rumsfeld.html?ei=5070&en=2148bb81cafef9d0&ex=1163 221200&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1163076529-g9kIMjR0v6pCeRK B7CId4A (November 1st of this year)

Source?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa rd.php?az=view_oet&address=358x1293 (multiple comments liking Saddam to Al Qaeda who was resonsible for the attacks)
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/20/9-11-and-sadda m/

Actually, we didn't lie. Believing something to be true that later turns out to be false is not lying.

While your statement is true, it is not true in this case. It has been well established that this administration had already planned to invade Iraq before the September 11th attacks and that any information which did not fit the plan was thrown out.

See this link: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,69 03,1185407,00.html

Further, it is well known that what limited intelligence we had was twisted to fit the goal. For instance, when the White House was told by Defense Department analysts that aluminum tubes found in Iraq were actually to be used for rockets, the administration found others who thought the the tubes could be used in a nuclear program. Even then Secretary of State Powell, after looking at the intelligence, said the tubes were for rockets. Guess which opinion the White House used.

Then we lied that Iraq was tied to Al Qaeda.

See the link from Democratic Underground I previously listed. There are several quotes in which Bush specifically says that Iraq was tied to Al Qaeda. However, if you want other sources you can try these:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/attack/140133_bushir aq18.html (Fourth paragraph)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3119676.stm
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0803/080803nj2.htm (3/4 of the way down the page)
http://www.newscloud.com/read/73666/ (Rice making the comment for the administration)

I could go on if you like but I'm sure you can find other sources, including Bush's own comments on the White House web site (if they haven't removed the evidence) which shows Bush linking Iraq and Al Qaeda even though it was well known that Saddam hated Al Qaeda and had given specific orders to his minions not to cooperate in anyway with Al Qaeda.

Not gonna happen. The Democratic party is divided right now between the moderates (most of whom were elected last night) and the left-wingers (who are already crying "TIME TO IMPEACH!"). It'll be really interesting watching them try to get anything done when they don't even know what their platform is above "we hate Bush."

Organizations like MoveOn.org will now have major political clout in this country. Ugh.

Lately it has always been the Republicans who have been doing dirty tricks.
By the way, here is a top 10 reasons for voting Republican:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10/26 7

There is ample evidence of a) the ease in which Diebold voting machines can be patched and b) votes being switched to Republican candidates. Diebolds CEO vowed to deliver the 2004 presidential election to Mr. Bush.

Concerns are already mounting in Texas and Arkansas that votes are being flipped in early 2006 voting.

It's not a conspiracy when so many municipalities conclude that Diebold machines are not fit for elections.

Try makeing any untoward comments about your almighty presedent, and how to depose him (violently or otherwise) and then see where your constitution gets you....

If that were true, these hives of scum and villainy would've been shut down long ago. Last time I checked, they're still up and running. Thanks for playing, though.

CNN changed their exit polls for a number of states after the election was called for Bush. The numbers you are seeing at that site were not the numbers produced by their polling organization. You can check the link below, or simply Google for "CNN" and "change" and "exit polls".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa rd.php?az=view_all&address=132x1293911

This isn't exactly a secret. You guys have some serious problems on your hands.

You have the guy running Ohio's Bush campaign as the Secretary of State. This is the guy who make sure the election is "fair and balanced".

Btw-- Salon had a guy write a rebuttle, which was in turn rebutted a few times.

Somebody already tried that

Does this mean next time they want to pull a 9/11 move, it will be easier or harder? These criminals need to go to jail. I don't think we should be shutting down our sky coordination system under the current regime. Is regime the right word for when there isn't a valid election?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?Channe lID=31
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa rd.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1108892&mes g_id=1127482

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040731 213239607
http://www.vote.org/911/
http://standdown.net/

So, um, yeah, back on subject:

Hurray!

+5 Insightful? So-called terrorist plans?

Yeah, there is no such thing as terrorism, I forgot. George Bush invented it. Why is it that any good news at any time MUST have an alterior motive? We always hear, "It's an election year", or "isn't the timing just a little too convenient". The governement has been telling us about disrupted plots for years. The first link on a google search pulls up "Thwarted Terrorist Plots Since Sept. 11 Attacks" on the ABC news site (or is ABC a republican talking points shill now?)

The threats out there are very real. We're lucky to have people and processes in place to protect us. Worldwide there have been more than 5312 documented deadly attacks since 9/11. That's not a body or injury count folks, that's just the attacks. At that rate, there are going to be plots uncovered - some even in the US.

Feel free to be snide and cynical. Some of us will continue to fight for your right to say whatever you believe.

Now why don't you go back to the DU and work on the science experiment that proves 9/11 was engineered by the evil President Chimpy McHalliburton and his cronies.

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I miss the pre six-digit UID slashdot days.

Nor are we trying to track where everyone goes or what they read. We're ensuring that everyone is fully protected from those bad, bad terrorists. You know, 9/11 and all.

You see, people want to be free. We're ensuring they can be free by these actions. All we ask is that people understand that we're in it for the long run and ask for their patience while we administer these proctology exams.

Just remember, 9/11 was a wakup call. We can't let these terrorists take our freedoms away.

Considering that they're generally not the ones slashing get-out-the-vote van tires, shooting out the windows of rival campaign offices (also happened in Huntinton, WV, BTW), I'd guess that, yes, the GOP would likely be more civil. Crap, even Nixon declined to challenge the 1960 election even though his case would have been far more believeable than Gore's.

Take a stroll through DU to see just how crazed and freakish your side is. All that seething has to be tiring.

Liberal == grown-up == intelligent == understands nuance

If you had any familiarity with the fever swamps of the Left, you would've known better than to make that asinine assertion.