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For a while I've wanted a bittorrent client that was completely invisable to the user.

• ...as a small torrent client exe-file that is piggy-backed with the actual torrent file and started if the user has no client. Downhill battle's Blog Torrent has such an exemple, called "Easy Download". People just click on the link and the necessary client is automagically installed.
• ...as a on-the-fly P2P-izer, that just works by pre-pending a prefix to the address (just like the Coral cache). Differ is such a system. People put dijjer.org/get/ to the beginning of links. The website will automatically send an installer if needed. This installers set ups some sort of proxy on the users computer. dijjer.org/get URLs are redirected to this local proxy and the proxy it self is in chagre of geting the file and transparently make it available in HTTP as if downloaded by conventionnal means. The good thing is, once the proxy is installed it works with anything, browser, but also media players with HTTP web-streaming.
• ...last but not least, there are browser plugins. Opera, as far as I've heard comes with one, and I'm sure one can find something on http://addons.mozilla.org/

I've never seen anyone use it though.

I think what you're basically proposing is support for Dijjer. I can actually see that working well for Opera

Kinda like this?

We have something that would work better than torrent files for p2p in the browser - dijjer. It requires a Java Runtime Environment but there are extensions which make it easier to use in Firefox. Dijjer downloads content in-order (unlike bittorrent) and there's nothing to configure once your web server supports the range header. I was working on a dijjer applet and extension a while ago, but I got too busy to develop it further. The slashdot effect for webpages could be mitigated using a combination of Dijjer and MAF to distribute archive copies of the page as long as its popular.

Maybe someone else will come along and make something better, firewall friendly, something that's actually peer-to-peer...

For Windows users get http://dijjer.org/dijjer.jar
instead of the exe installed, it's build 118 as opposed to build 117.

It's also cleaner to run and cleanup and you can see all the inner workings going on.

Dijjer seems to work just as well as HTTP when there is no p2p connections and doesn't suffer from the lack of torrent.

http://dijjer.org/get/http://64.106.205.160/video/ NTV001/ntv001.mp4

Dijjer is a far more appropriate solution to this type of problem.

When the source doesn't have a web presence at all, doesn't care about any sort of download counting, or is trying to remain somewhat anonymous, then sure, bittorrent is the right solution, but in many of the more legit uses there is more infrastructure to be taken advantage of.

It annoys me to see bittorrent being shoehorned into situations for which it is less than ideal...

Dijjer already does that now.

I started a project to do this 2 years ago. But due to changes in JXTA and other factors, it just fizzled out like so many projects on SF :(

It may be worth a look.

http://dijjer.org/

I responded to the parent post, but since you brought P2P distribution up I also wanted to respond to you to point you in the direction of Dijjer. It's far better suited to this situation than bittorrent.

Just, you know, FYI.

Check out Dijjer. It was made for this kind of situation.

It's sort of P2P for distribution of legit material from an actual publisher. No worried about being out of date, as the publisher maintains control of what gets transferred.

Now that the bill has been posted, The question is a little clearer.

From the bill:


40.2 (1) A person described in paragraph
40.1(1)(a) or (b) [ie, an ISP] who receives a notice of
claimed infringement that complies with subsection
40.1(2) has an obligation, on being paid
any fee that the person has lawfully charged for
the performance of that obligation,


So, the upshot, if I interpret this correctly, is that if you provide Internet access or proxy services or hosting free of charge, you're not obligated to forward an infringement claim notice or keep identification records. ...That's a little better. So projects like or Dijjer are not required to keep tabs on everyone that uses the network.

Whew!

BT doesn't have a "click/watch" type solution. BT is only good for asynchronous delivery of content due to it's download nature.

A much more interesting but similar system is the dijjer project at dijjer.org. It's different in that all of the data being distributed exists in a single system, not in grouped systems of people interested in the same file. Therefore there's a lot less concern about there being too few peers signed on to make the system work. [Emphasis mine. -- franl]

It's not BitTorrent, but it's similar in terms of providing a distributed download / swarm advantage through the use of unused upstream bandwidth. It's real claim to fame is how easy it is to implement on the server side: just add 'http://dijjer.org/get/' in front of the normal link. There's more on their site, but it's fairly intriguing.

Unfortunately it requires a client download, so unless someone puts some really good content up using it, there's sort of a chicken-and-egg adoption problem.

A much more interesting but similar system is the dijjer project at dijjer.org.

Like this it's a distributed publishing system without any sort of tracker, but without torrent files either. In dijjer you make requests from your web browser through a proxy server that's your interface to the rest of the system.

It's different in that all of the data being distributed exists in a single system, not in grouped systems of people interested in the same file. Therefore there's a lot less concern about there being too few peers signed on to make the system work.

Forget that. This would be a perfect application for Dijjer.

Save the mirrors! Dijjer QT download or Dijjer WMV download

Save the mirrors! Dijjer QT download or Dijjer WMV download

Save the mirrors: Download the QT version with Dijjer.

OK, so you host a website. A popular website. So your host sends you a big bandwidth bill every month. How do you pay for that?

Interestingly enough, all your viewers have flat-rate broadband, and, individually, don't expend a whole lot of bandwidth on your site. They could use four or five times the bandwidth on it, and wouldn't notice the difference.

I have an idea - how about, instead of annoying us, you let us help you host your website and take some of that burden off of you?

The solutions are still taking shape (things like Dijjer), but soon there won't be much excuse for ads anymore as a way to pay the bandwidth bill.

But do you really think websites will take the ads down once distributed tech thins down your bandwidth bill?

How about we make a deal - you take off the ads, and we'll host your content. Now THERE's a real social contract.

Very cool. Much fewer hoops to jump through than BitTorrent. Peercasting possibilities. Sounds like dijjer could replace BT, if its efficiency and reliability works as advertised. My only concern is there appears to be no way to turn it on or off.

But Dijjer does and works along very similar lines.

Life could have been easier if they had supplied some Dijjer P2P links as well!

Especially for those of us at work stuck with no control of the NAT firewall.

Sorry, i meant use this link : http://dijjer.org/get/http://www.codemills.com/upl oadfiles/memberfiles/gimpshop-i386.rpm

Use this http://www.codemills.com/uploadfiles/memberfiles/g impshop-i386.rpm">Dijjer link for the file, so that the poor server's bandwidth isn't exhausted...

The video is cool, here is a direct link through Dijjer to save on bandwidth. You should definitely read the blog entry to understand what you are looking at.

The video is cool, here is a direct link through Dijjer to save on bandwidth. You should definitely read the blog entry to understand what you are looking at.

Dijjer is like on-demand bit torrent. No set up at all. no servers you have to establish. If this catches on the entire interent will work p2p and no one will need a powerful server or mirrors.

...to link to http://dijjer.org/get/http://www.rzuser.uni-heidel berg.de/~jknoblo2/LnL/lnluksm.avi?

http://dijjer.org/get/http://filebox.vt.edu/users/ jkbrooks/pictures/hitchhikersguide.mov

Dijjer (rhymes, apparently, with "fridge"-er) is a SourceForge project. It claims to be open source and free software, but I'll be darned if I can find any source code for it!

I will wait until the source is available before installing this one, thanks.

• Robot in snow (14MB)
• Robot outdoors (34MB)

• Robot in snow (14MB)
• Robot outdoors (34MB)

• Robot in snow (14MB)
• Robot outdoors (34MB)

Download the Powerpoint through Dijjer by clicking here.

Download the Powerpoint through Dijjer by clicking here.

isn't there a peer to peer protocol that doesn't revolve around supernodes?

Ask and ye shall receive, Dijjer, an Open Source P2P Web Cache for large files.

..download through Dijjer?

Cohen realized that chopping up a file and handing out the pieces to several uploaders would really speed things up. He sketched out a protocol: To download that copy of Meet the Fokkers, a user's computer sniffs around for others online who have pieces of the movie. Then it downloads a chunk from several of them simultaneously. Many hands make light work, so the file arrives dozens of times faster than normal.

Personally I think BitTorrent's core advantage over other file sharing technologies is also its core architectural weakness, namely its centralised nature. This allows an editorial filter on content made available through BitTorrent, yet also makes a juicy legal target. Until recently BitTorrent's obscurity has protected it, but clearly this is no-longer the case.

(Disclaimer: I am working on some free software that is competitive with BitTorrent)

Or - download it through Dijjer.

What is required is some kind of hybrid between bit torrent and Freenet.

Something like this?

Yeah, and then lets remember the fact that someway, somehow, an open source solution will arise

These guys must be pretty pissed that someone got slashdotted weeks before they did with some software that is entirely free, and does at least as much as what they claim their non-free software does.

Good luck with that!

Dijjer links to movies:
full set Day one Day two Day three Day four Day five

What about Dijjer? Decentralised, easier to use than falling off a log, and very fast. Also, legal - since it falls under the Systems Caching exemption of the DMCA.

Or for Dijjer users, click here.