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The hockey player?
The perl guy?
The dead guy?
The author?
The VP of Iomega?
The musician?

Not that you can keep people from learning these things forever. In fact, those that go on to being more involved in programming definitely will have to be taught something in the procedural/OO C family. But sometimes, the formal aspects of something can end up concealing the more general lessons students need to extract.

Disclaimer: I have never written a single line of Scheme; I have only read a few brief introductions (and found it quite understandable). I have, however, been a TA for many freshmen and there are more horror stories caused by the language than you might think.

- PeeCee

Get it while it lasts!

http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~drg/

And don't forget the white space! That is a clear copy!

Be glad they didn't program in Whitespace.

But Whitespace takes only three..

Whitespace by Example: I'll include the Whitespace tutorial and 3500 pages of uncommented, non-annotated examples.

And for completeness, heres the equivalent in whitespace:

Brainf**k is a relatively simple stack based language. The only thing about it that makes it hard to understand is its very terse syntax. Unlambda and Whitespace has this as well, and in addition to this they are completely unreadable. The reasons are quite different though: Unlambda because there is absolutely nothing like it (wrapping your mind around a myriad of s's, k's, i's and `'s == pain. I've tried) and Whitespace is just impossible to read (and program for that matter) without the aid of a program that can convert it to something where you can actually tell the instructions apart.)

Suffice it to say that a lot of sites don't work with IE for the Mac. This is especially true of internal corporate sites.

As far as I'm aware the only OS that can run the real IE6 that isn't Windows, is Linux.

Amusingly that's the first hit on Google for internet explorer installer. Microsoft Downloads comes second.

Whitespace and Intercal.

The site ShipItForYou.Com's Internet Security statement is a bit strange:
"ShipItForYou.Com's Internet Security is a VeriSign Secure Site. Our security is unmatched anywhere on the Internet. Your name, credit card number, and all other information are NEVER stored on the Internet. Once you enter your information, they are encrypted and sent directly to our accounting/order processing system that is NOT on the Internet."

If it is not on the Internet, how is it sent to the accounting/order processing system? Do the 'encrypt' it with Whitespace and fax it over?

heheh maybe their CGI application is written in whitespace

Enjoy!
/ob

Especially if your mom's truly terrified -- she will make an excellent mark^H^H^H^Hvictim^H^H^H^H^H^Hstudent.

Oh...wait, computer programming...how about Whitespace? ;-)

Intercal is a joke language (though there is a compiler, natch).

See also brainfuck, whitespace, etc.

• Whitespace
• Java2k (mostly non-english)
• HQ9+
• Beatnik

Greetings...
hildi

I havent seen nobody mention whitespace, it has no english keywords whatsoever =)

Well at least another poster already posted about brainfuck

I can't remember of any other languages, but maybe one could try machine code, nah, just kidding (are there people who program directly in machine code?, I found this link about the Psion organizer or something, but I didn't get too deep into it)

And let's not forget about whitespace.

http://bylands.dur.ac.uk/~mh/egypt-installfest/ind ex.html

what about whitespace:

You'll love whitespace then, I reckon. Unfortunately it isn't Object Oriented so I'm not on topic :-(

fish://yourname@yourserver/path/to/website (or ftp://yourname@yourserver/path/to/website) plus drag and drop. Fabulous! The MS Windows version ain't as smooth or up to date, but it is a great deal safer than IE. (-:

For images, GIMP 2 doesn't have an image-chopper-upper by default, and while there are plugins to do that, I often prefer to do it (with GIMP, set some guides and then crop to that; you can make some sections of an image JPEG and others PNG (or omit them and replace that piece with flat colour) to suit the content) "by hand". It does have all manner of other nice features, more than enough to keep the average punter occupied for weeks.

To test things with IE 'coz "everyone" uses it, I could maybe-illegally run it under WINE (someone's even done an RPM, but I can't be bothered finding it) but as it turns out, I have a friend with a Windows2003 box exposed to the internet, so I aim rdesktop at that when I want IE-testing.

I have a car. I don't go out of town that often either; the only reason I don't get rid of the car is that carrying myself and a Uni holiday's worth of stuff back to the south of London from Durham is next to impossible by train. I can get to King's Cross station (north London), but getting across London with all my belongings is impossible by public transport.

All of the questions that I ask start with "here's a programming problem, now solve it in whatever language you want".

OK, I choose Whitespace as my language of choice. My solution is on the other side of the page...

And also there's Whitespace.

The poem you refer to is a perfectly legitemate program in whitespace. Depending on the use of tabs newlines and spaces in the poem, it might actually do something useful as well.

...which means that the offending code must have been written in whitespace

:-)

I'm more into whitespace these days though. :-)

And don't forget whitespace. Best coding language ever!

http://bylands.dur.ac.uk/~mh/file.c.patch

Apply it in the root of the Wine source tree, like so:

patch -p0 </tmp/file.c.path

then do a make and make install in dlls/kernel. Run the installer - it should install fine apart from complaining about "Sonic Pro" or something.

Be warned. The "modern" skin does some funky stuff with window classes we don't yet support. Use the classic skin.

I'm going to take a look at the subclassing stuff now. As an aside, the NSIS code is awful. Great product, nasty as hell code :/

Yet VB is a real, Turing-complete language.

This is true.

Here's another real Turing-complete language: http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/bf/.

And another: http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/.

Maybe Turing-completeness isn't a very useful criterion in evaluating a language. ;)

Here it is coded in Whitespace:

Hmm, not all the important languages are represented in the list. I didn't see e.g. whitespace implementation.

Hmm, no, many distributors like RPM. It's a simple and convenient way to ship a few gigs of software on CDs with your distro and remain sane. I think you mean, users think RPM sucks, and this is where we can start discussing.

Your idea for a GUI to source tarballs has already been done, basically. There are programs like KConfigure that do it all for you, but they don't make installing from source any easier. Why not?

• Source tarballs don't contain dependency information. Or rather they do, but only in the form of configure checks, which are useless for actually resolving dependencies.
• Source tarballs are source code. That means installing the software takes ages, eats disk space and RAM, and so on.
• You typically end up with unstripped binaries.
• Some source tarballs cannot be uninstalled.
• This approach is useless for binary-only packages like (say) games.

The only real way forward out of this mess is to develop a portable binary packaging scheme that allows you to install packages on many different distros WITH dependency resolution. And of course, better developer education - dependencies have a cost. Depending on CVS HEAD of a library in a release is just a big nono. Keeping dependencies fairly mainstream, or better, optional, takes practice and a bit of forethought but can be done (see Wine for an extreme example of this approach).

PLEASE! Will someone serious about standardizing Linux installs do something about this... or desktop Linux will never take off.

You're welcome to help out. The project in my sig is one such approach - we're currently working on dependency resolution from a network.

to use the Whitespace language!

Using a computer language of your choice, write a program that will factor a very large integer of arbitrary precision (1024+ digits) in as little time as possible - Points awarded on speed of execution

Ok, here goes:

You will need a Whitespace compiler to be able to run the listing I provided.

Do a Google search on solar cell window and you quickly realize that this is an old idea.

Korea's into it.

Oberlin too.

Apparently, Durham as well.

But what's important this time I guess is that it's a woman who "discovered" the idea.

And because women are equal to men, an equal number of discoveries must be credited to women.

What's that? You say GnuCash is programmed in Whitespace

In that case, how many of the ~250,000 lines are blank - or are ALL of them blank...

(For the humor impaired or clueless, Whitespace is a programming language that consists of spaces, tabs, newlines, etc - so that a print out of the program is totally blank)

What's that? You say GnuCash is programmed in Whitespace

In that case, how many of the ~250,000 lines are blank - or are ALL of them blank...

(For the humor impaired or clueless, Whitespace is a programming language that consists of spaces, tabs, newlines, etc - so that a print out of the program is totally blank)

You'll appreciate whitespace and colorForth then. ;)

For the first time, educators can look up a student's attendance, discipline, immigration status, grades, and test scores at one source

For the first time? Haven't universities, and all educational institutions, been doing this for years? They take your marks in, and do things like decide what level of exam to enter you for, or what set to put you in, and so on! It's why they give you tests throughout the year and take in your scores. Sorry to be negative, but this is completely normal

For example: I was at Durham three years ago. Four months into the nine month term, our Maths lecturer called me into his office one day, showed me the results of the homeworks I'd done for the past four months, and told me that the marks suggested I was going to fail. Sure enough, he was right - I got 2% in his module, and also failed every other module on the course. I got to leave the place permanently (thank god!), which was the outocme I'd been looking for. It went to show that they predicted it though.

Am I right, or is there something really major I'm missing here? Educational institutions have been keeping track of student's marks, attendance, behaviour and so on for years, and have also entered this stuff into computers for years, often using spreadsheets to calculate mean scores and so on, which could in turn be used to predict how well students are going to do at the end of the year. It's common sense.

-Andrew

A while back, MozillaZine ran Mozilla being used at universities.

Houston, MIT, Durham, Cambridge and The Helsinki University of Technology all use Mozilla in one form or another.

...that IE is also interpreting ( or compiling on the fly + executing, I don't know the technical details;oP) this famous programming language....
Of course, if you browse a little the sources you'll see that those are are the *only* text files which IE renders without any bugs....;o)))))

Is the secret code surrounded by super-double-secret code ?

Yes, in fact, it is. You just have to know the language!

That's why I use Whitespace, of course!

I beg to differ. Silicon has been made to emit light in various ways for over a decade.

"Scientists at Surrey University, led by researcher Kevin Homewood, are showing off a prototype silicon-based light-emitting diode (LED) -- an invention that could be of significance to the whole electronics and communication industry.

"By enabling silicon to emit light, the scientists say they may have found a way to use light to efficiently transfer data around microchips. This could lead to smaller, more powerful computers and improve data communications significantly."

ZDNet UK: Light-emitting silicon boosts chip speeds: 8th March 2001

"The photoluminescence emanating from a regular array of 1.2 m sized dots composed of Si nanocrystals was studied with spatial, spectral and temporal resolution."

New Journal of Physics: Nanostructuration with visible-light-emitting silicon nanocrystals

"GENEVA, Switzerland -- STMicrolectronics claims to have achieved a breakthrough in the creation of light-emitting silicon and said it would have engineering samples of monolithic silicon devices based on the technology, combining electrical isolation and optical communication, before the end of 2002.

"The development allows silicon light emitters to match the efficiency of compound semiconductor materials such as gallium arsenide for the first time, the company said."

EE Times: STMicro claims light-emitting silicon breakthrough: October 28, 2002

"The discovery of visible luminescence from porous silicon [1] has stimulated a large interest in this material. Numerous studies have demonstrated that it is possible to achieve efficient visible luminescence from porous silicon layers [2]. This material system has significant economic potential as efficient visible emitters could be fabricated on silicon wafers and incorporated with current microelectronic devices using existing silicon processing technologies."

[1] L. T. Canham. "Silicon quantum wire array fabrication by electrochemical and chemical dissolution of wafers." Appl. Phys.Lett., 1990, 57 1046 - 1048.

[2] For a recent review of the work in porous silicon see : Thin Solid Films, 1995, 225 and "Porous Silicon", edited by Z. Chuan and R Tsu, World Scientific, Singapore, 1995.

A Visible Large Area Light Emitting Diode Fabricated From Porous Silicon Using A Conducting Polyaniline Contact

BTW, technically, photocells are optoelectronic devices, as are LEDs.

Sure. They could have chosen to write it in Whitespace instead of Java.

I'm already able to program using my thought as a computer language.

To be honest, my first thought went to Whitespace.

What people need to realize is the sheer opportunity presented by the evil bit! Particularly when used in conjunction with the new Whitespace Programming Language ! Sending an html-based email to your boss laced with WPL and the evil bit set will cause his computer to download all your pr0n for you, as well as send the memo to the finance office to process your raise with haste.

However, the only problem I've come across with setting the evil bit deals with products from a certain Redmond, Washington software development company. Apparently, when the evil bit is set, it negates all the security holes inherent in the OS from this company, and it becomes rock solid secure.

Go figure...