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Re:Don't Buy from Dell
Here you go.
There are plenty of other companies that sell Linux an (sic) no-OS machines.
http://www.addonshop.com/
http://www.emperorlinux.com/
http://www.ibexpc.com/
http://www.koobox.com/
http://www.linare.com/
http://www.linspire.com/
http://www.linuxcertified.com/
http://www.linuxsyscorp.com/
http://www.microtelpc.com/
http://www.outpost.com/
http://shoprcubed.com/
http://www.sub300.com/
http://www.systemax.com/divisions.htm
http://www.walmart.com/
http://tuxmobil.org/reseller.html
http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed
http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/index.html
http://tuxmobil.org/ (general information)
Slashdot's lameness filter is actually pretty... well... lame. Defeating it is usually as easy as adding more text. You know, like this sentence. :-) -
Don't Buy from Dell
There are plenty of other companies that sell Linux an no-OS machines. http://www.addonshop.com/ http://www.emperorlinux.com/ http://www.ibexpc.com/ http://www.koobox.com/ http://www.linare.com/ http://www.linspire.com/ http://www.linuxcertified.com/ http://www.linuxsyscorp.com/ http://www.microtelpc.com/ http://www.outpost.com/ http://shoprcubed.com/ http://www.sub300.com/ http://www.systemax.com/divisions.htm http://www.walmart.com/ http://tuxmobil.org/reseller.html http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/index.html http://tuxmobil.org/ (general information)
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Re: Other companies selling preinstalled Linux
http://www.addonshop.com/ http://www.emperorlinux.com/ http://www.ibexpc.com/ http://www.koobox.com/ http://www.linare.com/ http://www.linspire.com/ http://www.linuxcertified.com/ http://www.linuxsyscorp.com/ http://www.microtelpc.com/ http://www.outpost.com/ http://shoprcubed.com/ http://www.sub300.com/ http://www.systemax.com/divisions.htm http://www.walmart.com/ http://tuxmobil.org/reseller.html http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/index.html http://tuxmobil.org/ (general information) No OS (Sabio made by Quanta, like Dell-latitudes) http://www.avadirect.com/ http://www.asimobile.com/ http://www.powernotebooks.com/
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Re:To whoever modded me down...
Not sure how it compares to Windows-based ones, but here's one.
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Re:Built for Linux
I hate to dump on any company that's selling Linux, but those laptops are outrageously expensive.
Linux:
IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T42: 1.7GHz, 14" display, 512MB RAM, 40GB disk, CD-RW; $2175.00
Windows:
IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad T42: 1.8GHz, 14" display, 512MB RAM, 60GB disk, CD-RW; $1499.00
Quite possibly it's not Emperor's fault, I have a feeling that IBM/Lenovo may not sell ANY ThinkPads without Windows (especially sad considering that IBM ought to be the one place you could get a Linux machine, if anywhere) and thus you're really paying for a copy of Windows plus Emperor's overhead and whatever it costs them for the support contract (which might be worth something to some people, but not $600!). But at the end of the day, that's a hell of a premium.
The way Microsoft has the hardware market twisted around their finger right now, it's basically impossible to get a quality, name-brand laptop without buying Windows. (I know there are some white-box machines available out there, but put one of them down next to a ThinkPad and there's really no comparison.) -
Re:Built for LinuxThat simply isn't true. According to the http://www.emperorlinux.com/ site - The Gazel (http://www.emperorlinux.com/mfgr/sony/gazelle/?t
a b=details&id=300) hasup to 17" @ 1920x1200
1600 - 2133 MHz
256 - 1 G RAM
40 - 100 GB Hard Drive
DVD+/-RW Drive
8.8 pounds -
Re:Built for LinuxThat simply isn't true. According to the http://www.emperorlinux.com/ site - The Gazel (http://www.emperorlinux.com/mfgr/sony/gazelle/?t
a b=details&id=300) hasup to 17" @ 1920x1200
1600 - 2133 MHz
256 - 1 G RAM
40 - 100 GB Hard Drive
DVD+/-RW Drive
8.8 pounds -
Re:Built for Linux
The short answer is yes, plenty of machines built for Linux.
Here are a couple of links :
Servers, desktops etc : http://www.pogolinux.com/
Laptops ! http://www.emperorlinux.com/
The laptops are well-known brands (IBM/Lenovo, Dell etc) with Linux pre-installed and supported, where everything work, including modem, wireless, suspend-to-ram, etc. -
iBook/ThinkpadI've used a wide variety of Thinkpads (they were the standard where I used to work), and I really used to like the nipple thing, once you get used to it, it's much more useful than the trackpad. The newer thinkpads (the newest one I've played with was the T43 - I don't work there anymore) have the option to turn either of the pointing devices off, so that you can turn whichever one you don't use off. Personally I think there's no reason to turn the nipple off, I never used to find it getting in the way, however, turning the trackpad off does prevent all those annoying times where you manage to move the mouse while typing.
fairly cheap, small, has a fullsize keyboard, and uses a touchpad.
I have a 12" powerbook, and it has all those features. Well, I'm not sure if you'd class it as cheap really, but it certainly isn't expensive. If you wanted a cheaper one you could choose the iBook instead.
I would suggest one of the following:- Wait for an intel iBook and buy the 12" version. Is the fact that they are still PPC really that much of a problem? you could wait and get a cheap PPC one shortly before/just after the intel ones come out.
- Go for a Thinkpad, it sounds like the X series probably best fits what you want. If you're a linux person, you could even get one from emporer linux (or do it yourself)
Currently, The thinkpads and the power/iBooks IMO are the best notebooks on the market at the moment, nothing quite matches them, ESPECIALLY in the smaller sizes. I've seen a lot of the laptops from other manufacturers and they look OK, but if I'm spending that much money on something, it's sure as hell going to have look like it's worth that much. -
Non-Dell Companies selling Linux (and No OS)
http://www.addonshop.com/
http://www.emperorlinux.com/
http://www.ibexpc.com/
http://www.linare.com/
http://www.linspire.com/
http://www.linuxcertified.com/
http://www.microtelpc.com/
http://www.outpost.com/
http://shoprcubed.com/
http://www.sub300.com/
http://www.systemax.com/divisions.htm
http://www.walmart.com/
http://www.xandros.com/
http://tuxmobil.org/reseller.html
http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed
http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/index.html
http://tuxmobil.org/ (general information)
No OS
(Sabio made by Quanta, like Dell-latitudes)
http://www.avadirect.com/
http://www.asimobile.com/
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X41 Tablet runs Linux perfectly well......and all the neato features actually WORK. I've been working on these for several months now, we announced this a month ago, and we have all this stuff working: The integrated Biometric Fingerprint scanner works in Linux, so you can train your fingerprints, and use them to login (via PAM/GDM). The pen works in Xorg, so you can input to screen as a mouse pointer or stylus. You can hand-write commands on-screen (converts handwriting to ascii text in the focus area (using rosetta)). It includes a recognition suite (trained conversion of handwritten text to ascii text (using Jarnal)). And the digitizer is pressure sensitivity in Gimp. now, that said, all of the handwriting features will require some training, but with carefull training, are very nearly as good as the "Windows Journal" at this time.
The screen can be rotated to portrait orientation via rotate button (not dynamic, no xrandr on i915 yet, so 2 Xconfigs). It has special "BlueKeys" support when folded into tablet configuration: scroll Up, scroll Down, Enter, and Toolbox keys. The Toolbox Key (plugin to "EmpTool" tools to access LCD brightness up/down, volume up/down, backlight, wifi kill, etc)
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X41 Tablet runs Linux perfectly well......and all the neato features actually WORK. I've been working on these for several months now, we announced this a month ago, and we have all this stuff working: The integrated Biometric Fingerprint scanner works in Linux, so you can train your fingerprints, and use them to login (via PAM/GDM). The pen works in Xorg, so you can input to screen as a mouse pointer or stylus. You can hand-write commands on-screen (converts handwriting to ascii text in the focus area (using rosetta)). It includes a recognition suite (trained conversion of handwritten text to ascii text (using Jarnal)). And the digitizer is pressure sensitivity in Gimp. now, that said, all of the handwriting features will require some training, but with carefull training, are very nearly as good as the "Windows Journal" at this time.
The screen can be rotated to portrait orientation via rotate button (not dynamic, no xrandr on i915 yet, so 2 Xconfigs). It has special "BlueKeys" support when folded into tablet configuration: scroll Up, scroll Down, Enter, and Toolbox keys. The Toolbox Key (plugin to "EmpTool" tools to access LCD brightness up/down, volume up/down, backlight, wifi kill, etc)
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X41 Tablet runs Linux perfectly well......and all the neato features actually WORK. I've been working on these for several months now, we announced this a month ago, and we have all this stuff working: The integrated Biometric Fingerprint scanner works in Linux, so you can train your fingerprints, and use them to login (via PAM/GDM). The pen works in Xorg, so you can input to screen as a mouse pointer or stylus. You can hand-write commands on-screen (converts handwriting to ascii text in the focus area (using rosetta)). It includes a recognition suite (trained conversion of handwritten text to ascii text (using Jarnal)). And the digitizer is pressure sensitivity in Gimp. now, that said, all of the handwriting features will require some training, but with carefull training, are very nearly as good as the "Windows Journal" at this time.
The screen can be rotated to portrait orientation via rotate button (not dynamic, no xrandr on i915 yet, so 2 Xconfigs). It has special "BlueKeys" support when folded into tablet configuration: scroll Up, scroll Down, Enter, and Toolbox keys. The Toolbox Key (plugin to "EmpTool" tools to access LCD brightness up/down, volume up/down, backlight, wifi kill, etc)
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Re:Well
Actually, the finger print scanner _DOES_ work. EmperorLinux, Inc sells the machine as the "Raven". For information about the tablet functionality, go here. The finger print scanner is actually tied into GDM! The SD card, unfortunately, does not work.
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Re:Well
Actually, the finger print scanner _DOES_ work. EmperorLinux, Inc sells the machine as the "Raven". For information about the tablet functionality, go here. The finger print scanner is actually tied into GDM! The SD card, unfortunately, does not work.
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Re:Well
Actually, the finger print scanner _DOES_ work. EmperorLinux, Inc sells the machine as the "Raven". For information about the tablet functionality, go here. The finger print scanner is actually tied into GDM! The SD card, unfortunately, does not work.
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Re:My Question
>> Is Linux easy to use for you?
Yes. Otherwise I wouldn't use it. If Windows was easier, I'd use that.
>> Ask yourself how much time you had to put in to get it that way.
It used to take me a while, takes about 30 minutes these days. The time
I put into learning Linux has been paid back a thousandfold in increased
productivity in the 9 years I've been using it, though.
The question of ease of installation is a valid one. I recognize Linux
isn't trivially easy for the inexperienced to get set up. Preinstalled
Linux is what I do for a living. Most people
get their Windows preinstalled too, though, so the more interesting
question to me is ease of use of a properly configured system, and Linux
wins by a mile there.
Personally, I find Windows to be MUCH more stressful and difficult to
get set up properly. I had a whole multi-paragraph rant typed out
about how impossible it is to get movie playback set up in Windows vs.
how relatively easy it is in Linux, the ease with which I can get my
system 100% up to date (which is basically impossible in Windows as
far as I know), and how dealing with antiviruses and half a dozen
different spyware cleaners is the exact opposite of "beautiful" in my
estimation. But I won't bore you with it. ;)
After thinking it over, I was only able to think of two things that I
use which Windows does better. It's much easier to get Civilization 3
going in Windows, a fact which I take as a personal insult. ;)
And, the wireless network scanner is better in Windows, which is why
we're actively hacking on it to improve the one in Linux. Everything
else is more sane, stable, and beautiful in Linux, by a wide margin. -
Trust me, this can only be a good thing...
As a Linux developer myself, I'm rather pleased to hear that my suspicions have been confirmed. All the features that Vista's offering are already available in Linux (along with a great deal more), and besides that, the system requirements are definitely insane. If you still haven't heard of just how many systems Linux runs on, I just installed the latest version of my distribution on a Pentium-166 machine with 32MB RAM and a 2.5GB disk. All security updates as well. And it runs beautifully, even better than a Celeron-1.8G with 384MB RAM and Windows XP, if you can believe it.
Anyway, despite what some people insist Linux is slowly moving onto pre-installed systems. Emperor Linux sells laptops pre-configured with just about all the major distros, and there are companies (and even individuals like me) selling pre-loaded Linux desktops. And I'm pretty sure that others will eventually catch on.
I'll be honest, though, the project I'm really hoping to see succeed is ReactOS. Linux is a good system – and I'm definitely a loyal user / developer who's not likely to quit using Linux any time soon – but I think that for users more used to Micro$oft's system, ReactOS would probably be a better solution. Plus it's got a cool logo.
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Re:Blatant Example of Microsoft Monopoly
There are lots of good Linux laptops on the market you just have to do a bit of searching
to find them instead of taking the easy way out by buying an overpriced Dell or HP
WinXP machine.
Have you looked at:
http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux_laptops.html
http://www.emperorlinux.com/
http://www.powernotebooks.com/
If you want a sub $1k you'll have to be a bit more creative, I went with a used iBook that I
installed YelloDog on. I've recently installed Ubuntu for PPC on it with no problems.
The Acer TravelMate 2300 notebook has been reviewed on /. and NewsForge several
times as a very nice $700 machine.
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Re:Don't confuse the market segments.
Emperor Linux will not only sell preconfigured Linux systems, but will configure your already purchased system.
No affiliation, just have a friend who swears by them. -
Re:Dark Side
That's the fucking problem. My company is ready to pay high premium for Linux laptops for instance. Where are they? Last time we spent $1000 of man power to configure half a dozen linux laptop.
Right here. http://www.emperorlinux.com/
Yeah, you'll pay a premium alright, but it'll Just Work.
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Re:Sigh...Take a look at Emperor Linux. They sell laptops with Linux pre-installed.
If you are complaining about the lack of availability of computers with Linux pre-installed then I suggest you direct your complaints not at the Linux devs but rather at Microsoft, whose monopolistic practices are still paying them dividends. Better still, complain to the US Justice Department for letting Microsoft off with a wrist slap after they were convicted.
Perhaps the most effective place to complain would be to the EU who are still tussling with Microsoft over their monopolistic practices.
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Re:A bit unfair
I really wanted a linux laptop, but I couldn't find anything affordable, powerful and complete (meaning it has drivers to support everything the laptop has).
Easiest to buy preinstalled:
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Re:Are we really still having problems?
Wrong ! Google for slmodem. The modems in every IBM made in the last 5 years work great. I know because I have to
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Wonder what.....
Emperor Guys think.
http://www.emperorlinux.com/
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Re:Not for ord. users but GIS guys maybe
Actually, it *is* really good for "3D stuff". I'm not sure where you get the idea that it wouldn't be. At Linux World Boston, Emperor Linux was demoing a Sharp laptop with similar technology. They had it running PyMoL in 3D mode, and it was very impressive.
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Re:Your journey starts here
...There are only a few vendors out there that offer lappies w/o the MS tax.Care to name some? I'll name the ones I know:
Please help expand my list.
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Emperor Linux.
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Here you go........
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Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?!
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Re:Drop Windows Add $500???!?!
You, sir, don't get it.
You're criticizing a company for selling Linux distros under the terms dictated by the creators of the distro. If you order a laptop with Fedora Core 3, Red Hat doesn't see a penny. If you order RH9 with a 12 month tech support contract, Red Hat gets paid for it. It works this way because that's how Red Hat says EmperorLinux needs to do it.
So, who is getting ripped off?
Further, you fundamentally misunderstand the GPL. It says nothing about "free as in beer" and in fact everything on the GNU website specifically denies that intention. All that is required under the GPL is that you cannot sell a binary without giving the recipient access to the source code as well. If I want to sell a custom kernel for $500 a pop, more power to me.
Again, nobody is getting ripped off. They're just taking what is being offered, and redistributing it under the terms of the offer. They're also sending kernel patches back to the kernel maintainers, which is something they're not legally obligated to do.
I know people who have bought from EL, and they've been most impressed with the tech support they've received. Impressive tech support isn't cheap. If their "value adds" have no value to you, you can buy the same laptop model elsewhere and figure out how to install Linux on a laptop yourself. It's tricky, but it will help if you download a really nifty kernel customized for laptops.
In short, if you don't like what they're doing, it's possible to do it yourself. How is that worse than "Bill and the Boys?" -
Re:What?
> They refuse to release proper specs on their video chipsets in order to let
> X use the proper panel size on a laptop.
There's a patch out there that gets this working. Google for 1280patch. Yes, I work for a company that puts Linux on laptops. =) -
Re:Put your money where your mouth is...
Another suggestion for IBM: I just went to ibm.com, clicked on the "Shop for
... Notebooks" link, and looked around a bit. I was unable to find any notebook that included linux as an alternative OS. If it's there, it's very well hidden.
There was also no hint of AIX or any other unix-like system. The only OS choices were Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition and Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional.
This doesn't exactly give me a good feeling that they want to sell to us linux geeks.
OTOH, you can go to EmperorLinux, where you'll see a flock of IBM laptops for sale with linux installed, or dual-boot Windows/linux if you like.
So maybe IBM is just trying to support the independents like EmperorLinux? Think so?
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Re:He makes a fair point
"The reason I don't have a laptop computer today is because I couldn't find anyone willing to sell me one without Windows on it. And it wasn't for lack of trying either.
:-("
You may want to check out EmperorLinux. They specialize in selling Linux-powered laptops and provide support them as well. They have been around for a while now and make buying laptops for work a lot easier.
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Re:No excuse
I should be able to call Dell or HP and say I want a laptop that runs Linux out of the box right?
I don't think that the economies of scale are there in Dell's and HP's business yet to sell Linux items at no cost premium. When they offer no support there will be no reason for non-tech people to buy those laptops. The cost of a Windows licence is probably less than the costs involved in selling linux on all their hardware.
Don't want support? Just want Redhat on your Dell? Well, most of us can do that already.
I imagine that it is time for a small time vendor to start making 100% Linux compatible laptops and if they survive and make money then great
How come no one ever mentions Emperor Linux? They've been putting Linux on laptops for a while and supporting it.
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Re:No excuse (shameless plug)
Actually, EmperorLinux fills the niche you speak of. They not only sell laptops with complete Linux compatibility, but also offer email and phone support. Even the ipw2100 and ipw2200 chipsets are supported. Emperor has been in business since 1999 and has been quite successful. And, Linux Journal seems to like their stuff. Check them out.
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Re:No excuse
I imagine that it is time for a small time vendor to start making 100% Linux compatible laptops
There have been a few out there for a while now. Emperor Linux has some really nice laptops, though most seem to be on the high-end price-wise. There is also LinuxCertified.com. They have few nice laptops, including a Centrino based laptop and an AMD-64 based laptop. -
Re:I can see their point though
Dude, I'm totally with you. I'd love to be able to buy a laptop with Linux preinstalled.
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Re:All I need is a great sub-notebook
No larger than 12", no heavier than 5.5 lbs...Linux compatible for 99% of the hardware...I've found only one laptop that even comes close to what I want, and that's the Vaio S-series. I just don't want to buy a Sony computer
I got my Vaio from EmperorLinux; been pretty happy with it. They currently have 6 laptops under 5 pounds, with Linux pre-installed; some are Sony, but also Sharp, Dell, and IBM.
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Better Linux ultraportables
For the money, I think the Sharp Actius MM20 is a better machine. Same 1GHZ Efficeon processor, but 512mb of RAM, built in ethernet, wifi, pc card slot, and 2 usb ports, and the screen is 10.1" instead of the tiny 7". It still only weighs 2 lbs, and costs quite a bit less. By itself it's $1500; there's an optional external USB DVD/CDRW drive for $99, and for an addtional $200 you get a long run battery which gives up to 9 hours of runtime.
Best of all, everything works in Linux -- Emperor Linux sells this as the Meteor, although IMO they tack on too much of a premium. But you can find do it yourself Linux install instructions for several distros at Linux on Laptops. -
Dudes, so TOTALLY not the first...http://www.emperorlinux.com
They've got an IBM model there that comes with IBM support...
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Re:A day late and a dollar short in my case.
Next time, drop by Emperor Linux, who sells laptops from Dell, IBM, Sharp and Sony, and will install and support Slackware, Debian, SuSE, RedHat, Mandrake, or their own house blend Linux.
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Meteor from Emperor LinuxI am using the Meteor from http://www.emperorlinux.com/meteor.php. It has the Transmeta Efficeon processor and is pre-configured with all of the power management stuff (I purchased it with Debian pre-installed).
There is a switch just above the keyboard that allows me to put the laptop in low power mode and in that mode it runs a good 7 hours on the extended life battery. It is very useful for my long commutes on the train from Long Island to NYC.
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Re:OT - Meteor
> Is the MM-20 less laggy than the MM-10? The CPU throttling & slow HDD sometimes makes me crazy.
It's quite a bit faster in terms of raw CPU torque, yes. HDD is not appreciably faster. But, it's got the best currently available chipset for 54mbps wireless under Linux. =)
If you want a huge leap in speed, without a great deal more mass, get a Raven. That's what I use. =) -
Re:Yes please.
> Whammo, instant mandrake/suse/redhat/fedora. =)
Usermode Linux will get you an even more complete experience. This is what we use at emperor linux
to keep our distribution images up to date, all running on one big quad-xeon server.
The main strength of this is that your fake fedora/suse/whatever machine has its own process list and /proc tree to muck around with, and won't reach out and mess with your "host" system. -
Re:Linux is about choice.....
Sorry, I got confused and was thinking of Linux systems, not dual-boot systems.
Here's another vendor who seem to offer true dual-boot systems, though. -
EmperorLinux Rocks
I just bought the Meteor (Sharp Actius MM20) from EmperorLinux. I highly recommend the laptop and the company. I was able to unpack the box and turn it on the moment it arrived, ready to go! The support is quite helpful as well.
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Re:Wow
Well, you can "cheap out" and buy the laptop on your own then send it in for a Depot Install, but the prices come out to about the same as if you bought the laptop from us. The price includes not only the laptop and distro tweaks: it also includes a year of email and phone support. So not only do we help you get Linux, we help you keep it running.
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Holy ripoff
Under "Recommended Accessories" they have a Logitech wheel mouse for $50. Insanity, considering the same mouse can be bought at any computer store for like $20CDN.
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Blast from the Past
Since $3,000+ is a bit outside my range (my range being closer my $35 PII Linux box), I naturally checked out the Emperor Linux Jobs Page to see if I could suppliment my income. What a blast from the pre-bust past, mixed with a bit of post-bust reality:
Work at EmperorLinux: the most fun you can have with ...
EmperorLinux is not actively hiring.
However, we are always on the lookout for fun and knowledgeable people who like things Linux. If you like to:
ride your bike to work,
hike in the mountains,
recompile your kernel weekly,
drink Mountain Dew with extra sugar,
play in the dirt with your hands,
make fun and informative web pages,
use the "taste test" when debugging circuits,
run with scissors barefoot in the rain,
or anything similarly off-center,
send us an interesting mail telling us why you think we would like you.
I've done nearly all of those things, if you can substitute "hand-code Z80 machine code" for "recompile your kernel". But I think I'll stick with my boring but very stable job coding VB in the tax accounting business. I'll have time to lick random circuitry when I retire.