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They just come to your house in the middle of the night and kidnap you and lie to your family why you were held in a secret prison for five years without charges. [1] [2] [3] [4] Welcome to China. This is just in the past two years. Anything you write on that WeChat, you better look behind your back.

[1] Monk held in secret prison for unknown charge for post on WeChat
[2] Man sentenced to nine months in jail for WeChat message
[3] Tsering Dondrub jailed in 2015 for posting picture on WeChat
[4] China jails muslim man for 2 year s for WeChat group

I can tell you that Chinese did not require my fingerprints and were very polite to me. Guess who was exactly the opposite?

Oh, for shit's sake, America was rude to you?! Is everyone from your home country a little pantywaist, or is your dipshittery unique?

I like the implications later on:

I also don't care about watching Tibet videos on YouTube when visiting China, I don't watch them at home either.

IOW, 'fuck Tibet, but Americans were rude to me, so let me start my Intarweb jihad against them.'

Boy, talk about first world problems.

>>Furthermore there has never been a war waged in the name of Atheism.

No, of course not. Atheists have a great record of peace and tolerance when they take power, especially towards the religious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristianisation_of_France_during_the_French_Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1928%E2%80%931941)
http://www.freetibet.org/newsmedia/100807-china-purges-tibet-government-ethnic-tibetans-crackdown-dalai-lama-loyalists
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/2463385/China-plans-sweeping-purge-of-Tibetan-monasteries.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge#Crimes_against_humanity

I suppose next we will hear about how Norway will be competing in Bejing ignoring the human rights violations that are being committed by China in Tibet.

Expect Norway to be sorely beaten by Kenya that country of Kenya will piss on Norway.

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A quick google turns up 1.1 million links for the phrase "chinese exploited workers"

Ah, I see the first link is to Canada Tibet Committee. I agree Tibetans are being exploited and persecuted by the Chinese. Because Tibetans aren't Chinese. The sovereign nation of Tibet was invaded and conquered by Mao's army in 1959. Free Tibet!. Now change "Chinese" to "United States" and the number of results increases from 1,160,000 to 1,770,000, an increase of more than 500,000. Does that mean there are more workers exploited in the US?

Go take a gander at Frontline's Is Wal-Mart good for America video

Walmart doesn't just buy from China to sale in the US, Walmart also has stores in China. In the not too distant future China will be Walmart's biggest market. It is partnering or buying Chinese retailers, Wal-Mart plots bid for Chinese retail giant. Chinese employees of Walmart are even unionizing.

Chinese who are employed in one of these factories make more than those who can't get a job at one

That doesn't mean they aren't being exploited. Work & safety conditions play a large part. Ask a coal miner.

You're right it doesn't mean they aren't being exploited, but if they are fighting to get those jobs I'd say they are very willing work and accept the work conditions, thus they aren't being exploited.

China's not expansionistic? Tell that to Tibetans and Formosans.

They are illegally occupying many thousand sq. km. of our territory (just like Pakistan) and all this happened with the blessings of the US.

In 1959 China also invaded and still occupies another nation, Tibet. But before that invasion some 2 million Chinese Nationalist being driven from China invaded the island of Formosa suppressing 20 million Formosans or Taiwanese. Ooh I see you mention Tibet too.

``28 February 1947''
Taiwan's Holocaust Remembered

Take the worst possible example of rights violation you can think of. I guess you're thinking of the Nazis.

Nope! By the end of WWII during Stalin's reign some 20 million Russians lost their lives because of Stalin.

Falcon

Free Tibet!!!

oh, and for more info about these things that never happened... http://www.freetibet.org/events/filmday.html namaste

LOL! http://www.freetibet.org/ http://www.rfa.org/english/news/social/2005/04/08/ asia_pope/ http://www.chiesa.espressonline.it/dettaglio.jsp?i d=6974&eng=y http://www.betterworldlinks.org/book79m.htm http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/04/11/china10447. htm http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1564 321029/002-8728960-6939207?v=glance And I suppose all of these links are propaganda and lies? and why have a picture of mao? http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/C hina/chinaonmao1981new.htm Nice troll though..

Free Specs!.

Similar in nature.

"it's with them being found to be liable in Canada for something they said in Washington DC."
This is the sort of thing that NAFTA ushered in*; We canucks have to worry about breaking american law, it's about time the converse has become recognized as a problem.
It's the sort of problem that trade deals with china will usher in with both the US and Canada. Wait for it; It will be illegal to say anything "libelous" or "defamatory" about anything specific in the PRC;

*I'm pretty sure. NAFTA was a very difficult read--if I'm mistaken please correct me

I for one refuse to invest in china. I do not wish my hard earned dollars aiding in the propping up of such tyrany and despotism.

For every dollar that you make profit off of investment in china, six or more are going to come out of yours or your children's pockets in lost wages due to competition in a place where you cannot legally strike for higher wages, higher margins local companies who are not WalMart are going to have to charge to survive onslaught by walmart. For every dollar that you make profit off investment in china, remember that dollar might also carry the cost of your family's blood spilled down the line when china becomes powerful enough to invade your country. Don't think for a second they wouldn't invade a soverign nation.

If you must invest, invest in any resistance you can find against china.

However, when traveling to another country you must RESPECT that country

Bullshit. Saying this is like saying, "If you don't like Nazi Germany, just don't go there." I'm sick of this Laissez Faire attitude towards China and their abuses of the Rights of Man. Its arrogant to think that Westerners are entitled to the freedoms we have, while people in oppressed cultures should let be.

At some point in the future China will the dominant economic force in the world. It will be much harder at that point for any country/individual/ngo to coerce China into entering the free world. At the point when China dictates international politics do you think it will respect your culture? Look to Tibet (http://www.freetibet.org/) for an example of how much China respects other cultures, and to Hong Kong (http://www.fidh.org/article.php3?id_article=846) to see how it will respect your democracy.

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

The sources, including Tibetans themselves, which are not afraid to take into account China's 1951 military invasion of Tibet and the subsequent creation of a mini-Tibet (which the Chinese Communist Party calls the Tibetan "Autonomous" Region or TAR) consisting less than half of independent Tibet's original land area have quite different figures for both the actual extent of Beijing-engineered mass migration of Han Chinese settlers and the Tibetan deaths resulting from the invasion.

Were your CCP-approved figures meant to paint a cheery picture of Tibetan women still allowed to give birth despite the growing number of Chinese in the chopped-up mini-Tibet as the figures were somewhat vague regarding the number of Tibetan deaths caused by unnatural causes under the Chinese occupation?

Tell that to the Tibetans.

Also, keep in mind that there are lots of people fighting for just causes (various freedoms and rights) that are opposed by the evil ruling powers in their countries (China, Taiwan, Tibet, Zimbabwe, etc.). The Internet can be a powerful tool for garnering outside support for revolution. The most famous example, I think, is the Free Tibet Campaign.

Granted, even without the bug they could track this particular browsing behavior by using other means. This bug really isn't a big deal. I'm just taking you to task that only "bad" people should be concerned about privacy. In the U.S., I generally agree with you. But if someone's ideas, which may be considered "legitimate and vanilla" to us, are frowned on by his corrupt government, he can possibly look forward to having a noose around the neck or a bullet in the head (or worse). And there's usually no trial beforehand, except maybe a kangaroo court). When a totalitarian government wants to end a dispute, it always prefers the gun over the gavel.

Perhaps one of these days the communist China's government copies yet another of the worst ultra-capitalistic practises and learns to sue any entity that dares to route traffic to Tibet sites they haven't explicitly authorized. Since they claim ownership of Tibet, surely that also includes copyrights of anything related to their occupied neighbor.

Within People's Republic of China such problems have naturally been already solved using the Great Firewall of China.

50 years is nothing -- certainly it is recent, historically speaking. And the mass population transfer that the government has recently escalated amounts to genocide, since Tibetans will soon be a minority in their own country. And this is ongoing.

The 'propaganda' has considerably more truth than the US media admit

Where are you getting your information? I have lived among Tibetans (in exile in India), have interviewed former political prisoners and had plenty of Tibetan friends, and I am quite certain that the Tibetans did not want to be liberated from the imperialists (as is the Chinese official line). You are correct that the situation is far more complex than the media presents it to be, but that is the nature of the media and what the average person is capable of knowing and wants to understand. Just because the issue is not totally black and white, it doesn't mean that the grey truth isn't much, much closer to the Tibetan version of history than the Chinese. See here for some disturbing information.

And I totally agree with you about the media and the administration. I believe nothing they say, and long ago recognized that everything this country does is purely for its own self-interest (which explains why we don't care enough about the Tibet situation to really make it an issue with the Chinese). Bush and his administration just make that fact perfectly transparent.

I think America isn't any better than China as far as my profession of programming is concerned. Sure we have a few more civil liberities, but the way lawy enforcement works here still stamps out any dissant agianst the 'masters in the house'.

A few more civil liberties? Yeah, and China has a few more people than Luxembourg.

The government is just a lacky for corporations these days, as the Adobe, intel, and other cirus shows. DMCA, anti-terror, and other acts are just smoke screen for control of the populis.

Correct. The government is largely a puppet for big money, but don't kid yourself to believing that the U.S. and China are comparable. Last time I checked, people didn't get put into labor camps and tortured for doing spiritual aerobics, falun gong, nor did they get tortured and imprisoned for 33 years because they were vocal about their believe that their country should be free.

I'm planning on moving to a nation that's 'worse' in many eyes already. I know their aren't any utopias, but hell if I'm not going to look for options. They want to take away my guns, computers, and now my 'inalienable rights'.

If you're planning on moving to China, be prepared for some nasty shit, and don't ever tell anybody what you really think about anything, lest you be whipped into the local police station and beaten until you admit to being 'an impererialist running dog trying to subvert the glorious motherland.'

It makes me sick to think about it all. I have black hair so I should get hassled. I have knowelge so I should be arrested. I have a dissanting opinon maybe I'll be hung.

You shouldn't get hassled on the basis of your hair color (maybe you mean 'attention'). Tech knowledge they respect; just don't have any 'political' knowledge: that's rewarded with torture if it isn't 'correct' political knowledge. And you'll keep your dissenting opinion to yourself, if you know what's good for you.

I am not mistaken (please correct me if I am), the dam will be built in an area near Tibet or in Tibet where the Chinese are planning to relocate a significant number of farmers. They wanted to use World Bank or IMF money to move in Chinese farmers and drive out Tibetans from more desirable regions. This was the source of much international disproval. The more people the Chinese government moves into or near Tibet, the harder it will be for Tibet to ever become autonomous again. "Look!" they will say, "There are thousands of Chinese people here! This is part of our country!"

The article also discusses the effects the dam and diverting the water from the river will have on the people who live in the area. There are small farmers (in Tibet, India, and Bangladesh) who need this water, and this may well jeopardize their survival in this already hunger-stricken region.

Obviously, the Chinese government needs to do something to provide water and electricity to its population, but this seems have dangerous political consequences.

- Athena

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