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Find Phish (and many other) live shows here - http://www.furthurnet.com/

"The Furthur Network is the first and only 100% non-commercial, open-source, peer-to-peer network of legal live music created by fans for fans!"

bt.etree.org is on his list already. Oddly enough "(Thanks to 'garcia')". Along the same lines is Furthurnet a specialized p2p client with a whitelist for bands that allow trading. BTW, they have many of the same bandwidth sharing features that bittorrent has.

Seriously, though. I predict that the old adage "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers" will hold true. The more restrictions on copyrighted movies are created, the less people will want to see them, and the more chance for smaller copylefted films will be created.

If I get sued for downloading certain songs, I'm going to find a way to cloak myself and/or find songs that people actually want me to download. Like Furthur. The same will go for movies. Look at the cultural phenomenons that have been created around flash animations created by Regular Joes. As broadband and broadcast-quality digital video cameras and editing software get more widespread, we'll see home movie sites popping up all over the place, outside of the control of big studios.

a person can have multiple torrent sessions going at once... also a BT server that's serving out hundreds or thousands of songs... they'll go after those people... i'm sure there's a way to do it.

and yes, i agree... kazaa and most p2p software has the sole pupose of piracy (whether it be music, movies, or software). if it was truly for sharing legit files, why wouldn't someone just make one without all the adware and spyware crap that comes along with it? and don't say "his name is bram cohen" because there's no way to open up BT and search for available torrents. ok, actually there is furthurnet which is used for trading live legal stuff (much in the same way etree works). it's all bands that allow taping and trading of their shows. it's pretty good too.

Roughly what percent of your music collection is authorized files from P2P like futhur, etree, etc.?

I'm surprised how even on /., most people have accepted the notion P2P music downloads == unauthorized sharing. The best most people can come up with to rationalize sharing is 'why should I buy a whole CD for the one song I like' or 'it's not theft, it's just copyright infringement.'

How about, I download music gigs at a time and it's 100% legal and with the musicians blessings.

It does have legitimate uses it's the fucking retards that insist on supporting the RIAA and their bullshit that keep them in business and in the news.

Fucking dump the RIAA and their music. Do not support iTMS, do not support music store sales of garbage CDs, and certainly do not support any radio station that plays their bullshit for money.

Support FREEDOM of music. FurthurNET and various other sources. You might be surprised who you see on that list...

Go ahead and download for *free* (notice the difference in my *free* and your "free"). Support bands that support the distribution of their music.

sharingthegroove.org and FurthurNET are two excellent resources for free music.

In the academic community, there are quite a few interesting projects going on. I work on a project called LionShare, which is integrating services like authentication, authorization, and directory in to a federated P2P network.

They can start their list of legally downloadable music right here. I suggest you support the freedom of music!

Check out Sharing the Groove as well for BitTorrent downloads of Spring tours!

In the latest twist, it's the radio stations themselves that have been reaching out to the labels, offering to play songs in the form of ads, often in the early morning hours when there tends to be an excess inventory of airtime. The practice is legal as long as the station makes an on-air disclosure of the label's sponsorship -- typically with an introduction such as "And now, Avril Lavigne's Don't Tell Me, presented by Arista Records."

To be sure, Don't Tell Me is a bona fide hit, even without spins being bought and paid for. Radio stations must play a song many thousands of times for it to crack the Billboard top 10. Nonetheless, a few hundred spins here and there can move a song up a place or two in the rankings -- and ensure that it is climbing rather than falling on the charts.

Hmm. The only thing I am sure about is that the music industry is making the sheep believe that a song is a hit at the expense of their own customers.

"In our business, perception is reality," he said. "The minute you're down in spins, these program directors drop the record."

If it is played 40 times a week people are going to hear it and *believe* that it is popular. When it gets artificially vaulted to the top of the charts more people are going to *believe* that it is popular.

Now. Where did the money come from for them to pay the radio stations to "advertise" the song? Music buyers. That's right. The wonderful conglomerates are at it again. Telling the sheep what to think is good and paying to make sure they hear it and keep buying it. Do you really want to keep supporting conglomerates that use shady tactics and your money to make some songs more popular than others?

No? Then support freedom of music and stop the roundabout tactics, money wasting, and bullshit.

Jerry died but the bootlegs live on FOREVER. Can listen on the web at GD Radio or download using Furthur

And the other guys are still putting out some cool tunes. So I really don't see the problem. The Dead got music as close to perfect as humanly possible, so there really isn't much room for innovation.

I don't care what YOU do. I gave a valid suggestion for what you SHOULD do.

Support these bands. They are the ones that allow you to freely distribute and listen to their music w/o fear of price hikes from the cartels.

You might be interested in this -- a list of 900+ artists whose live music is available for free, usually in OGG/SHN/FLAC format, over networks like FurthurNet.

You might be interested in this -- a list of 900+ artists whose live music is available for free, usually in OGG/SHN/FLAC format, over networks like FurthurNet.

Uh . . . hate to rain on the parade, but a tape recorder does not allow you to record a concert legally . The copyright owner allows or disallows you to record his/her/their performance legally. As the performer owns the copyright (and has an agreement with the music writers if the writers are not the same as the performers), they can allow or disallow one to record the concert legally (with respect to copyright excluding fair use). Your web link cites example of copyright holders (performers) permitting this, but the use of a tape recorder in itself does not allow one to record a performance legally. Tape recorders record can record performances, but the use of a tape recorder has little to do with the issue of copyright legality.

Oh yeah, I forget to mention how much it costs to download a full setlist or two off of FurtherNet: a big fat $0. These recordings are often high-quality, .ogg or .flac.

Compare that to buying the keydrive ($20) and then paying to get the songs ($10).

Finally, favorite quote from TFA:

"[Jennifer] Charles [participating musician] called the new technology 'a beautiful thing.' 'I'm very excited to be a part of this incredible and sexy technology,' she said between songs. 'It makes us feel very James Bond. You can have your little pens -- wow, beam me up Scotty.' "

...hippie crack much?

(Sit back and moderate? Comment? What's a slashdotter to do...)

"there's a new device out that allows you to record a concert... legally"

With all the DCMA/DRM/copyright FUD being thrown from monkey to monkey these days, it seems that some of us forget that recording a concert is not inherently illegal. There are many, many artists who encourage the taping and distributing of their live shows -- here's a list of more than 900 of them. Furthermore, there's even a P2P client dedicated to sharing 100%-legal music. That's right folks, the RIAA doesn't have anything to do with this.

Before I sit around and watch the comments pile up, there have been "devices" available for years that allow you to record a concert legally -- they're called tape recorders. These days, many serious hobbyist tapers are moving to a digital-only setup to cut down on loss of audio quality. (Wish I could give you model numbers or something, but that's what Google's for folks...)

Now, the "instant" bit of this is what's actually interesting. 'Course, you're dependent upon the venue for all this, and we know how much us slashdotters like being dependent upon stuff that doesn't smell like open-source/community-owned...

(Sit back and moderate? Comment? What's a slashdotter to do...)

"there's a new device out that allows you to record a concert... legally"

With all the DCMA/DRM/copyright FUD being thrown from monkey to monkey these days, it seems that some of us forget that recording a concert is not inherently illegal. There are many, many artists who encourage the taping and distributing of their live shows -- here's a list of more than 900 of them. Furthermore, there's even a P2P client dedicated to sharing 100%-legal music. That's right folks, the RIAA doesn't have anything to do with this.

Before I sit around and watch the comments pile up, there have been "devices" available for years that allow you to record a concert legally -- they're called tape recorders. These days, many serious hobbyist tapers are moving to a digital-only setup to cut down on loss of audio quality. (Wish I could give you model numbers or something, but that's what Google's for folks...)

Now, the "instant" bit of this is what's actually interesting. 'Course, you're dependent upon the venue for all this, and we know how much us slashdotters like being dependent upon stuff that doesn't smell like open-source/community-owned...

People may also want to check out FurthurNet.com for legal P2P live music downloads, mostly jam-bands (Grateful Dead, Phish, CSNY), but some others you might not expect (AC/DC, Beastie Boys, Frank Black). I should mention it is concert-set oriented, not track oriented, so things are not set up to let you download just one song you are looking for. Instead, you download whole live shows.

It seems slashdot readers "get" the idea of free software, why is it hard to understand that the same ideas exist in the music community?

Instead, I'd like to see some productive discussions of those artists that allow their music to be freely traded.

Linkage: (there just has to be some music you can enjoy at one of the following)
Live Music Archive
Furthurnet Band List
Etree BitTorrent Downloads

And support the Furthur network, dedicated to trading legal live music!

FurthUr.net Oops, should have previewed

For its part, the RIAA maintains that the up-close-and-personal techniques are nothing new. RIAA spokesman Jonathan Lamy says its investigators do not represent themselves as police, and that the incident reports vendors are asked to sign, in which they agree to hand over their discs, explicitly state that the forfeiture is voluntary.
All right boys... Make sure the boots go up above the knees... We're heading into bullshit territory!

If the RIAA isn't trying to look like the police why do they bother hiring ex-police officers, wear clothing similar to raiding police units, and cavort about as some sort of tactical unit? It is obvious to me that they want the "villains" to think they are the cops (and those street vendors, at least for the time being, are going to believe that they are).

Pink slips that say they handed the stuff over voluntarily or not... They are acting as an official force on duty to confiscate material and they want to look as official as possible to have these individuals fork over the material quickly and without issue. If they are so concerned about their property being "stolen" and resold why don't they contact the real police and have them do it? Probably because the real police have better things to do than worry about what is being sold in Chinatown...

Please remember that this is where your money is going when you decide to purchase music that is "owned" by the RIAA... Busting 12 year olds and funding a "tactical unit" to bust street vendors.

My suggestion, as always, is to support FREE MUSIC. FurthurNET and Sharing the Groove

Good luck RIAA and thanks for yet another humorous charade!

You know what is really sad? The fact that the RIAA was found guilty of price-fixing on CDs, was giving a one fingered slap on the wrist, and got to get out of paying pretty much anything by a loop-hole...

Support freedom of music people. Only support bands that allow the free copying, distribution, and listening of their music in any format you choose.

It's the public that supports the RIAA by purchasing their merchandise. DO NOT DO IT.

Sharing the Groove and FurthurNET

Or don't pay for any music and support the freedom of music. Bands that don't care about the money and seem to care about the music are the bands you should be for. If they are distributing their music for free and allowing you the freedom to make copies and distribute that for free, that who you should support!

sharingthegroove.com and FurthurNET

Us deciding what is good or the music industry telling us what is good?

This company's stuff doesn't do much good when society is bombarded by what the industry wants us to hear.

It becomes a hit because we don't get much of a choice. ClearChannel plays no variety, the non conclomorate channels don't play variety but instead endlessly repeat that they are not owned by ClearChannel and Infinity...

The only way hits can be decided is through freedom of music.

Support those artists that support the free distribution, copying, and playing of their music. Start your searchs at Sharing the Groove and FuthurNET

You will download lossless legal live music from Furthernet, which is a completely legal P2P network where users share performances from bands who allow taping.

I've had material on MP3.com for several years now. Never paid for the service, so I had less to lose than those that took the Gold Membership, etc. But I still don't understand the griping.
The era of free multimedia serving is over. There's just too much overhead to justify providing that much free bandwidth.
For those of you who bitching about MP3.com, just accept this unfortunate reality.

Who's been screwed? OK, maybe the folks that signed up for Gold Membership. But it seems like it's pointless to bitch about what's happened - it's all just business.

It's not the same as being ripped off by your producer [Beach Boys and countless others], or cheated out of payment by a venue after a performance [an ever-present risk in a business rife with unscrupulous people].

There's always an element of risk, whatever endeavour you undertake. There's no guarantee that a party with whom you have entered into a contract and paid money for future services will not go out of business, or sell out to another party. That's just a fact of life.

Fortunately, there are still plenty of free and low-cost music-hosting alternatives [sorry, I haven't checked ALL these links recently, but most should still be good. I am a lazy sod.]:


AMP3.com
AmpCast
Audiogalaxy
efolk
etree.org (SHN)
Listen.com
Lycos Music Search
MP3.com
nzmp3
peoplesound
SoundClick
stationMP3
gdlive.com
FurtherNet
CD Baby
IUMA
BeSonic
My Local Bands
SoundClick
VITAMINIC
archive.org etree listing (SHN's)
emusic
listensmart


My music (if you're curious, totally bored, and looking for something to listen to).

success

...nor should it. P2P is a legal means for easy distribution of large audio/video filesets... see:
FurthurNet.com, musicfreaks.net, and etree.org list of legal Bittorrent download sites.

The clients share the load, and there's no more leechers. What's not to love?

Correct link: furthurnet.com. Remember kiddies, preview posts *first*. :)

Who needs their crappy britney spears anyway?

Free Music via Legal p2p

Free Music via HTTP/FTP download

Furthur Network

Some people do want the legal files. Furthurnet Etree.org Sharing in the Groove BT.phishhook.com Besides the dozens of ISOs I've gotten via BT and P2P I've also downloaded 100s of GBs of music and video. All of it legal. Plenty of people use P2P and other applications for legitimate uses, but piracy gets all the attention and therefore you have people asking silly questions like "Using P2P for legitimate aplications?". Of course it has legitimate applications, I thought this dead horse had been beaten.

Powerful tools include cross-fader, 5-band parametric equalizer, Ogg Vorbis and FLAC support, and a huge, backlit display capable of visualizations, animated menus, and 16 shades of gray.

Now this is a reason to celebrate! I can get rid of my audiotron and my portable for one system that supports OGG and FLAC. FLAC support is huge for the thousands of people who download and share legal lossless music.

If people want to actually check out most of these bands using P2P (legitimately this time!) I recommend the FurthurNet application. They've got a list of all of the artists/concerts you can download maintained in such a way that you're only able to download legal content, and a lot of the concerts are equivalent in quality to the concert CDs some bands put out.

There are peer to peer networks for the sharing of legal music. In some cases they use digital signatures to ensure the files are legit. Here's the ones I've found so far:

• Furthur Network
• konspire[2b]
• Monotonik's BitTorrents - zip files with ~300 MB of MP3s

There are peer to peer networks for the sharing of legal music. In some cases they use digital signatures to ensure the files are legit. Here's the ones I've found so far:

• Furthur Network
• konspire[2b]
• Monotonik's BitTorrents - zip files with ~300 MB of MP3s

But there are p2p networks for downloading legal music. Some of them use digital signatures to authenticate the legality of the files. Here's the ones I've found so far:

• Furthur Network
• konspire[2b]
• Monotonik's BitTorrents - zip files with ~300 MB of MP3s

If everyone started downloading legal music instead, we would make short work of the RIAA, because people would start buying CDs from indie bands, and seeing their shows, instead of enriching the major labels every time you buy a Britney or New Kids CD. The RIAA would also have no cause to complain - these music downloads are not copyright violations because the artists give you permission to download them.

Probably the best known site for downloading MP3s is of course MP3.com . See especially their genre index . Click the link. You will be quite astounded at how many genres there are.

Unfortunately the website usability of MP3.com is atrocious, and their streaming audio seems to be buggy - I can't get it to work in either Explorer or Mozilla. To get an MP3 file to download to your hard drive, you have to register, which I'm sure will result in merciless spamming. May I suggest registering with a throwaway email address from spamgourmet ?

The Open Directory Project has Bands and Artists and Styles indices. Not all the artists offer downloads, but the site says they list 48,000 artists and I imagine many of them offer downloads.

There are better sites for hosting MP3s than MP3.com. Some of them allow you to buy the band's CD from the same page as the MP3 download. Among them are The Internet Underground Music Archives, CDBaby, Epitonic.com, Lulu, SoundClick, Matador Records and insound .

Monotonik provides BitTorrents with zip files containing 60 to 100 MP3s apiece available here.

If you prefer the higher quality, patent-free Ogg Vorbis files you can find several download sites here . Ogg Vorbis players are available for many platforms - WinAmp will play them on Windows, and I understand iTunes on Mac OS X supports Ogg now. There are open source Linux ogg players and encoders, even an open source fixed-point decoders for embedded applications where the CPU doesn't have floating point hardware.

There are also peer-to-peer applications for distributing legal music. See Furthur Network and konspire[2b] .

Unfortunately, musicians are often not very good website designers, so poor usability is a significant obstacle to getting music directly from artists' websites. If you're a musician, and you'd like to know how you can improve your website so more people will download your music, please read my article If Indie Musicians Wanted Their Music Heard....

Finally, there is the problem of finding the music that's actually worth listening to. The labels do serve the (somewhat) legitimate purpose of picking out the good from the bad. But we can do that ourselves with legal downloads by using collaborative filtering, for example by downloading our music with iRATE, which you'll find at

Probably the best known site for downloading MP3s is of course MP3.com. See especially their genre index. Click the link. You will be quite astounded at how many genres there are.

Unfortunately the website usability of MP3.com is atrocious, and their streaming audio seems to be buggy - I can't get it to work in either Explorer or Mozilla. To get an MP3 file to download to your hard drive, you have to register, which I'm sure will result in merciless spamming. May I suggest registering with a throwaway email address from spamgourmet?

The Open Directory Project has Bands and Artists and Styles indices. Not all the artists offer downloads, but the site says they list 48,000 artists and I imagine many of them offer downloads.

Better sites for hosting MP3's than MP3.com are Epitonic.com and insound.

If you prefer the higher quality, patent-free Ogg Vorbis files you can find several download sites here. Ogg Vorbis players are available for many platforms - WinAmp will play them on Windows, and I understand iTunes on Mac OS X supports Ogg now. There are open source Linux ogg players and encoders, even an open source fixed-point decoders for embedded applications where the CPU doesn't have floating point hardware.

There are also peer-to-peer applications for distributing legal music. See Furthur Network and konspire[2b].

I'm sure if more people availed themselves of the wide variety of music available for free download, we will make short work of both the RIAA and ClearChannel. Our lives would also be richer for it.

I see hardly any/no illegal activity on furthurnet.

It's a network for trading legal songs (mainly concert recordings of bands that encourage the free distribution of their concerts for not for profit purposes.

Uhh, isn't that the point? Kill the source of their files? Get rid of their major headache?

It's not going to kill P2P networks that are for ONLY trading allowed files, ie FurthurNET

So far as I am aware, I have never given the RIAA any money.

Neither have I given the MPAA any money, except for a single DVD several years back when I was curious what all of the fuss was about.

Have a look at Furthur. It is a p2p (I believe this is technically correct) counterpart to tape trading. Its 'operators' (no, I haven't investigated particularly the network topology or protocol) have gone to great lengths to ensure its legality, including requiring special or otherwise written public permission from all artists and bands whose performances are 'allowed' (I don't know the status of preventing circumvention) to be traded.

One great part about Furthur is that the network makes it much easier (a lower barrier to entry) for everyone to contribute back what they take than it would be, for example, to set up an FTP server listed through etree

If not that, find something to read. If (for whatever reason) you don't think purchasing a book is any better than purchasing from the RIAA or the MPAA, there is nearly 2500 years worth of significant philosophical works available unrestricted by copyrights, and enough of it is online to keep you busy for many years to come.

Instead of paying please support your artists that allow the free taping/trading of their music (either via P2P or other methods).

Bonnaroo BitTorrents are here

Check out FurthurNET

Also check etree

Amazingly enough The Grateful Dead (The OtherOnes and now The Dead), Phish, and Neil Young/Crazyhorse) allow the free taping/trading of their music and look how popular they are and how long they have been around.

I want to see the day when we are still listening to Alanis 40 years from now while she's on tour.

The music isn't for everyone but Furthurnet already has such a service. Also, for the shorten compressed files, they can be verified by a central database found here.

The real question, for me at least, is what shows are we talking about here? When I go see the Circulatory System at a small venue, can I get the show? What about Tortoise? Sigur Ros? Sea and Cake? Godspeed you! black emperor? Or are they talking about super blockbuster cookie-cutter concerts where the live recording doesn't mean much? I'll stick with Furthur. I can get the Dead, Pink Floyd, Tortoise, Soul Coughing, old Bob Marley, even Cat Stevens and Talking Heads shows. I can get video footage of shows. And best of all, the software works and I have a pretty high certainty that the musicians approve.

Check out http://www.furthurnet.com for a P2P Java app.

- MayorQ

Furthur

... gone P2P, or really the trading has eveloved. Furthur is a P@P app designed for the Trading community.