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True and with vertical hydroponics you can use 10x less water, and 10 times less space.

Supposedly they now have an LED that will grow plants as well...

Thou it would appear that not all LED plant lights are created equal....

http://forums.gardenweb.com/fo...

We'd also save billions of dollars if we stopped selling clothes dryers that are hideously inefficiency; elsewhere in the world condensing dryers are the norm and in some cases dry clothes faster.

"...All else being equal (i.e. not including household heating/cooling issues), condenser dryers are slightly less efficient than their vented counterparts, typically on the order of ~15%. The real design intent of condenser dryers isn't improved efficiency, but the simple fact that they don't require a vent duct, permitting easy installation most anywhere (ideal for apartment dwellers, etc)..."

"...There IS in fact a true heat pump dryer - the AEG Lavatherm WP - which is very energy-efficient, but it's not available in North America, and is extremely expensive (probably so much so that it wouldn't pay for itself in energy terms)...."

Source: http://ths.gardenweb.com/faq/lists/laundry/2004120958010854.html

Bosch and Meile both make heat pump dryers, probably more brands these days - it's a few years since we last looked. We have a Bosch. It is expensive, and probably won't ever pay for itself in terms of energy savings, even in our household of six people, but we can't easily vent a dryer to outside here so the heat pump dryer made a lot more sense. It's also fast.

When we were looking, the condenser dryers sounded awful. Inefficient and really slow to dry.

I have experience with this due to a tomato plant (Black Krim) where a gopher ate through the stem. I pulled all the tomatoes, still green, and ripened them inside. They looked & tasted exactly the same as tomatoes ripened on the vine.

A lot of tomato people (say, on http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/tomato/) say you should pick the tomato at first sign of color break. Because it prevents animals from eating the tomatoes, and there's absolutely no taste difference.

At the most expensive end... Saffron appears to retail for between $8/gram and [goes off, fiddles with calculator] $860/ounce, based on http://www.amazon.com/Frontier-Culinary-Spices-Saffron-Bottles/dp/B001EQ57NY

Which works out to a retail range of roughly $3600 to $13,000 per pound depending on the form and supplier. Based on what I know of other seasonings, wholesale price is probably about 5% to 10% of that.

Some cheaper prices cited here, http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/asianveg/msg0821032623921.html but flavouring prices have roughly doubled since then across the board.

At the other end of the scale, most culinary herbs and spices retail for around $4/ounce, but are around $4/pound for bulk packaging (like the big containers sold at Costco).

Anyway, it does appear that marijuana is rather overpriced, even allowing that the 'good' stuff requires some nitpicky handwork (tho not on the scale of saffron). But that's the penalty of an artificially restricted market. What does it sell for where it's legal, unrestricted, and locally-grown? I'm wild-assed-guessing somewhere around $25/lb.

Oh, and in case anyone is curious about growing plants under LED lights, I've been documenting the experience here.

Net result? The UFO works better than the Xmas lights, but the Xmas lights do work. Everything but the lettuce and brassicas seems to thrive under the LEDs, and the lettuce and brassicas would probably thrive if they were right under the UFO instead of on the periphery. Some plants, like the pumpkins, have been acting like the LED light is steroids. So, if you want to grow plants indoors but don't want a huge power bill, I'd go with a UFO or two inside a reflective chamber.

And yeah, I know, most people just use them for pot :P

Well..... If you walk into a major grocery store and look for carnation, you'll often find they have a faint scent almost like the roses next to them. Decades and decades ago, carnations - those flowers you bought in highschool when too cheap for roses - were known to have a *powerful* clove-like fragrance. In fact, they were planted around monasteries in France *because* of that fragrance. Turns out, the scented oil that gives off the smell we recognize accelerates the deterioration of cut flowers. Especially those shipped from South America. So.....florists bred the fragrance out. http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/fragrant/msg0617175920581.html

One of them (O. ficus-indica) is edible, but since I just got it about a year ago as unrooted pads, really I don't know how often it will set fruit. If you really want to know, you can ask people wiser than myself on this forum or this one. If you didn't already know, you can also eat the young pads of some Opuntia species, provided you've passed them under a flame to burn off those darned glochids.

For office plants, I'd suggest getting something cooler than a philo to keep your aloe company, like maybe a nice Haworthia (an Aloe relative). I've never tested this out, but they are supposed to be able to thrive in relatively low light conditions, like an office, and thanks to their small size, they're space conservant. My favorite member of the genus is H. limafolia (especially the rarer nigra and varigate forms). An office cactus might become light stretched and sickly unless you've got a corner cube with a window, but it never hurts to try. There are lots of cool and moderately easy things to try growing; my personal favorite are succulent members of the Euporbia genus, and the Haworthia mentioned above, but there are also nice genera like Echeveria, Crassula, Gasteria, Aeonium, Senecio, Pachypodium, Kalanchoe, Aloe (there are way cool things out there besides aloe vera), and in the cactus family, Mammillaria, Lobivia, Austrocylindropuntia, Tephrocactus, Oreocereus, Myrtillocactus, Hylocereus, Pereskiopsis, and many others.

All those genera have some species that are easy to grow, provided they're kept dry between their weekly, biweekly, or monthly waterings, depending on species and season (except Pereskiopsis and, to a lesser extent, Hylocereus, jungle cacti that don't mind being wet). If they're too wet they will rot, the number one killer of potted cacti and succulents. If you decide to try your hand at them, don't worry if you rot a few; everyone does. Many of them can be found at your local Lowes, Home Depot, or Wal-Mart, probably in crappy soil with a flower glued to them dying from lack of/too much water and not enough light. Worst case scenario you're out a few bucks, best case you've made yourself a lifelong friend.

They might need to be rotated between work and a window at home every now and again, depending on how much much light they're getting, but I guarantee your cube will look better if its loaded with spiky, colorful, and otherwise strange plants that look like they came from another planet.

Cloned beef? Why not? And after it's slaughtered, irradiate it!

Earlier this evening, the GNAA Internet Infantry Regiment finished a final clean-up of AIMGIRL territory.

The website had previously been the victim of a vicious Gay Nigger attack, featuring recent initiate Tar-Baby as an "unwed teen mother" black operative and Gay gunner Relex blasting the underage emo bitches with suppressive Goatse fire support, as well as with his own nigger seed. The strike was reputedly a thorough rout of the aimgirl enemy, as all forums are currently disabled, and new registrations have been suspended on the website.

Among the many casualties are several entire threads, scuttled by desperate Aimgirl admins as they attempted to ward off the inevitable defeat at the hands and dongs of the GNAA. A Reuters press report regarding the incident can be found here.

Today, the Gay Nigger Infantry executed a daring raid on the aimgirl chatroom, effectively destroying the last stronghold of the young white bitches. In a statement released by Commanding Officer x_over_ln_x, he remarked that "For too long, these little white whores have been tempting our yet-to-be saved heterosexual brothers. We could not allow the jailbait to continue their reign of pre-teen buggery, as their victims have little to no chance of Gay Salvation". At the end of the attack, the once 42-user-strong chatroom was held by one squad of Gay Niggers, who celebrated their victory by masturbating onto a plate of cookies and chanting "LOL DONGS".

Despite their impressive victory, the GNAA Internet Infantry Regiment (Part of the GNAA Ministry of Flood) will not be sitting on their laurels. At press time, Gay Nigger Scouts are said to be forward-deployed at known anti-nigger websites Gamingforums and Gardenweb. GIIR CO x_over_ln_x refused to confirm or deny such reports, preferring to shoot hot semen over our reporter.

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Now that is not 10% accurate.

The fun thing about advertising on the internet is that what you look at is what you see in advertisments. It is much easier to target adds when you are on a gardening website (http://www.gardenweb.com/ refresh it a couple times and look at what comes up, I doubt you will see adds for tech gadgets or pr0n) then if you are watching a sitcom.

Yes, it used to be the case where you almost entierly had techies and computer savie people on the internet. With the popularity of broadband, and the old "easy" ISPs (think AOL, pop a CD in and "WOW, I have the internet!") the internet is growing in divversity.

Why doesn't some manufacturer design a mouse and keyboard that you can clean in a dishwasher?

(Also iPods, 'phones, tv remotes and all types of electronic goods in all types of washer. NB patent trolls, if this is original, I claim prior art by publishing here. PS eeuw)

Earlier this evening, the GNAA Internet Infantry Regiment finished a final clean-up of AIMGIRL territory.

The website had previously been the victim of a vicious Gay Nigger attack, featuring recent initiate Tar-Baby as an "unwed teen mother" black operative and Gay gunner Relex blasting the underage emo bitches with suppressive Goatse fire support, as well as with his own nigger seed. The strike was reputedly a thorough rout of the aimgirl enemy, as all forums are currently disabled, and new registrations have been suspended on the website.

Among the many casualties are several entire threads, scuttled by desperate Aimgirl admins as they attempted to ward off the inevitable defeat at the hands and dongs of the GNAA. A Reuters press report regarding the incident can be found here.

Today, the Gay Nigger Infantry executed a daring raid on the aimgirl chatroom, effectively destroying the last stronghold of the young white bitches. In a statement released by Commanding Officer x_over_ln_x, he remarked that "For too long, these little white whores have been tempting our yet-to-be saved heterosexual brothers. We could not allow the jailbait to continue their reign of pre-teen buggery, as their victims have little to no chance of Gay Salvation". At the end of the attack, the once 42-user-strong chatroom was held by one squad of Gay Niggers, who celebrated their victory by masturbating onto a plate of cookies and chanting "LOL DONGS".

Despite their impressive victory, the GNAA Internet Infantry Regiment (Part of the GNAA Ministry of Flood) will not be sitting on their laurels. At press time, Gay Nigger Scouts are said to be forward-deployed at known anti-nigger websites Gamingforums and Gardenweb. GIIR CO x_over_ln_x refused to confirm or deny such reports, preferring to shoot hot semen over our reporter.

About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

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The smell was unmistakeably that of a dead rat.

The spathe had a nice color, eventually taking on the color of flank steak that had been left out too long.

Laziness and status aside;

The real answer is for the Elderly and the disabled. IF you check out That Home Site you'll find a lot of interest in residential elevators. If it isn't feasible to buy a single level house, an elevator allows you full access to your entire abode.

Corn isn't a fruit you fool! ;)

Technically, you are not correct.

A fruit is the matured ovary of a flower, containing the seed
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mveggie.html
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/teach/msg0 11956409905.html

A monstera(aka split-leaf philodendron). They are easy to grow from cuttings and trive in an office. Given the right conditions (rarely found in an office) they will also grow a large white flower with a corn-cob sized spike in the middle and the spike will ripen and become edible if you leave it long enough (months) and conditions are right. I have a huge one outside my home and on rare occasions get a ripe spike. It tastes sort of like pineapple but not as acidic.

Earlier this evening, the GNAA Internet Infantry Regiment finished a final clean-up of AIMGIRL territory.

The website had previously been the victim of a vicious Gay Nigger attack, featuring recent initiate Tar-Baby as an "unwed teen mother" black operative and Gay gunner Relex blasting the underage emo bitches with suppressive Goatse fire support, as well as with his own nigger seed. The strike was reputedly a thorough rout of the aimgirl enemy, as all forums are currently disabled, and new registrations have been suspended on the website.

Among the many casualties are several entire threads, scuttled by desperate Aimgirl admins as they attempted to ward off the inevitable defeat at the hands and dongs of the GNAA. A Reuters press report regarding the incident can be found here.

Today, the Gay Nigger Infantry executed a daring raid on the aimgirl chatroom, effectively destroying the last stronghold of the young white bitches. In a statement released by Commanding Officer x_over_ln_x, he remarked that "For too long, these little white whores have been tempting our yet-to-be saved heterosexual brothers. We could not allow the jailbait to continue their reign of pre-teen buggery, as their victims have little to no chance of Gay Salvation". At the end of the attack, the once 42-user-strong chatroom was held by one squad of Gay Niggers, who celebrated their victory by masturbating onto a plate of cookies and chanting "LOL DONGS".

Despite their impressive victory, the GNAA Internet Infantry Regiment (Part of the GNAA Ministry of Flood) will not be sitting on their laurels. At press time, Gay Nigger Scouts are said to be forward-deployed at known anti-nigger websites Gamingforums and Gardenweb. GIIR CO x_over_ln_x refused to confirm or deny such reports, preferring to shoot hot semen over our reporter.

About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY ?
Are you a NIGGER ?
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Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
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Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!

• First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE and watch it. You can download the movie (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
• Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post on slashdot.org, a popular "news for trolls" website.
• Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for members

Earlier this evening, the GNAA Internet Infantry Regiment finished a final clean-up of AIMGIRL territory.

The website had previously been the victim of a vicious Gay Nigger attack, featuring recent initiate Tar-Baby as an "unwed teen mother" black operative and Gay gunner Relex blasting the underage emo bitches with suppressive Goatse fire support, as well as with his own nigger seed. The strike was reputedly a thorough rout of the aimgirl enemy, as all forums are currently disabled, and new registrations have been suspended on the website.

Among the many casualties are several entire threads, scuttled by desperate Aimgirl admins as they attempted to ward off the inevitable defeat at the hands and dongs of the GNAA. A Reuters press report regarding the incident can be found here.

Today, the Gay Nigger Infantry executed a daring raid on the aimgirl chatroom, effectively destroying the last stronghold of the young white bitches. In a statement released by Commanding Officer x_over_ln_x, he remarked that "For too long, these little white whores have been tempting our yet-to-be saved heterosexual brothers. We could not allow the jailbait to continue their reign of pre-teen buggery, as their victims have little to no chance of Gay Salvation". At the end of the attack, the once 42-user-strong chatroom was held by one squad of Gay Niggers, who celebrated their victory by masturbating onto a plate of cookies and chanting "LOL DONGS".

Despite their impressive victory, the GNAA Internet Infantry Regiment (Part of the GNAA Ministry of Flood) will not be sitting on their laurels. At press time, Gay Nigger Scouts are said to be forward-deployed at known anti-nigger websites Gamingforums and Gardenweb. GIIR CO x_over_ln_x refused to confirm or deny such reports, preferring to shoot hot semen over our reporter.

About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY ?
Are you a NIGGER ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!

• First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE and watch it. You can download the movie (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
• Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post on slashdot.org, a popular "news for trolls" website.
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AP Wire News, August 3, 2004

Earlier this evening, the GNAA Internet Infantry Regiment finished a final clean-up of AIMGIRL territory.
The website had previously been the victim of a vicious Gay Nigger attack, featuring recent initiate Tar-Baby as an "unwed teen mother" black operative and Gay gunner Relex blasting the underage emo bitches with suppressive Goatse fire support, as well as with his own nigger seed. The strike was reputedly a thorough rout of the aimgirl enemy, as all forums are currently disabled, and new registrations have been suspended on the website.
Among the many casualties are several entire threads, scuttled by desperate Aimgirl admins as they attempted to ward off the inevitable defeat at the hands and dongs of the GNAA. A Reuters press report regarding the incident can be found here.

Today, the Gay Nigger Infantry executed a daring raid on the aimgirl chatroom, effectively destroying the last stronghold of the young white bitches. In a statement released by Commanding Officer x_over_ln_x, he remarked that "For too long, these little white whores have been tempting our yet-to-be saved heterosexual brothers. We could not allow the jailbait to continue their reign of pre-teen buggery, as their victims have little to no chance of Gay Salvation". At the end of the attack, the once 42-user-strong chatroom was held by one squad of Gay Niggers, who celebrated their victory by masturbating onto a plate of cookies and chanting "LOL DONGS".

Despite their impressive victory, the GNAA Internet Infantry Regiment (Part of the GNAA Ministry of Flood) will not be sitting on their laurels. At press time, Gay Nigger Scouts are said to be forward-deployed at known anti-nigger websites Gamingforums and Gardenweb. GIIR CO x_over_ln_x refused to confirm or deny such reports, preferring to shoot hot semen over our reporter.

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Are you GAY ?
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Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
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See here for your backup, courtesty of Ambrose Bierce:

http://ths.gardenweb.com/etc/bierce.html

If you're searching for something that can be sold online, Google's top results skew very heavily toward stores, and away from general information. Search for "flowers," and more than 90 percent of the top results are online florists.

... last one to turn to grey goo please turn off the lights.

Or green goo.

Too tired to (attempt to) make any more jokes. Check here and I'm sure you can come up with some of your own.